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| When I was living in Chile I was amazed by the corn ears that I saw - they were about 7" in diameter, and 2' long. It's usually just referred to as "Choclo" which unfortunately just means "corn". Does anyone know where I can find seeds for that kind of corn, or even what you call it in English? It's what they use to make stews and a few other dishes that I really miss, and sweet corn just isn't a good substitute (it's too sweet).
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- Posted by gonefishin z7bTx (My Page) on Sat, Mar 31, 07 at 1:58
| You might try posting the same question in the vegetable growing forum. There is a guy named George (MacMex) who has done missionary work in Mexico and other south American countries (I believe) lives in Oklahoma now and is very knowledgable. He posts there some. Just a thought. Bill P. |
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- Posted by farmfreedom (My Page) on Mon, Apr 2, 07 at 11:23
| If you find this one let me know ! I interests me! I want some also ! There used to be a strain called "Jala Valley Landrace " that grew ears to 3 feet long . However gene contamination from crossbreeding has brought it to now 18 inch ears . I have a strain similar to corn nuts that has kernels the size of a nickle it is called "Peru giant kernel corn" or "cous cous" but the ears are only 12 inches long . |
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| Where did you get the Jala information? What is most important to answering this question is knowing the town near which this Chilean maize grew. The widest ear of chile is Choclero, and the longest ear is Cristalino Norteno. Thirdly, seed could be obtained from: http://www.ars-grin.gov/cgi-bin/npgs/swish/accboth?query=choclero+mays &sort=swishrank&si=0&.cgifields=si&.cgifields=reverse |
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| Linu5 When I saw the corn, it was always in the supermarket, so I have no idea where it was really from. I was in Santiago, so it could have been anywhere, but I suspect it was from Maule or O'Higgins. Regarding the link you added - what are the rules about requesting germ plasm? Do you need to be an actual scientist to get any? I didn't see anything about cost either. Any info you have would be most welcome. The seeds that you linked to are likely the right thing - it's called choclo choclero in Chile. Thanks! |
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- Posted by farmfreedom (My Page) on Mon, Apr 9, 07 at 12:13
| As to Jala valley corn having 3 foot ears I got that from : the "World Book Encyclopedia 1956" and other encyclopedias, and "WRIGGLES FUN FACTS 1972 OR 1973 " WHICH WAS PUBLISHED IN THE Boston globes sunday comic section at the bottom of the first page . The internet and other breeders hve told me that there has been gene contamination from introduced strains endangering the 18 strains of "Jala Valley Landrace". It is hard to grow an ear over 18 inches at this time . |
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| The Chilean ear data came from "Races of Maize in Chile, Timothy" |
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- Posted by farmfreedom (My Page) on Tue, Apr 10, 07 at 11:50
| Check this member out for one: Posted by brian_ny_nj_pa zone 5/6 NY/NJ/ you will find him on the other corn postings here on the giants forum. Also on the internet I found a study by the University of Michigan on genetic contamination of the 16 or 18 strains of "Jala valley corn" . Do a search on google for "Jala valley corn" and see what you get . |
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- Posted by brian_ny_nj_pa zone 5/6 NY/NJ/ (My Page) on Thu, Apr 12, 07 at 5:10
| Wesserma, One point I would like to bring up about the USDA. When you fill out your form to obtain the seed, I recommend you list an Organization. If you put 'Wesserma Seeds' (or something like that) you won't ever get hassled. You also need to fill out the the section for intended use. Just say something using the words 'breeding' or 'research' and you are golden. Otherwise they will send you a one time only order. You'll get a letter saying it's a one time offer to gardeners. If you do it like I said, then you can get as many orders as you want. Of course, you only order one accession once, and not many times. You need to save the seed from the accessions you obtain. You can make multiple orders to get different accessions. In my expert opinion, some of the tropical corn varieties are hard to save seed unless you jump through hoops. What I recommend you do; so you are not dependent on tropical corn pimps hustling their proprietary tallest corn, is to find your self some very large temperate varieties and cross it with your tropicals. Once you can get consistent ears on your plants, then you can do selecting for taller ones. R.H Shumway has one called Goliath Silage. The current Iowa State Fair champ used Goliath to get a 18'4" plant. USDA also has some nice sized temperate corn http://www.ars-grin.gov/cgi-bin/npgs/acc/display.pl?1026853 http://www.ars-grin.gov/cgi-bin/npgs/acc/search.pl?accid=Ames+22133
There are many intersting tropicals on USDA besides Jala http://www.ars-grin.gov/cgi-bin/npgs/acc/display.pl?1374062 http://www.ars-grin.gov/cgi-bin/npgs/acc/display.pl?1373836
besides corn, you can get some other large plants from the USDA ----------------------------------------------------- http://www.ars-grin.gov/cgi-bin/npgs/acc/display.pl?1087292 http://www.ars-grin.gov/cgi-bin/npgs/acc/display.pl?1336870 ----------------------------------------------------- Sunflowers http://www.ars-grin.gov/cgi-bin/npgs/acc/display.pl?1327441 http://www.ars-grin.gov/cgi-bin/npgs/acc/display.pl?1080519 ----------------------------------------------------- http://www.ars-grin.gov/cgi-bin/npgs/acc/display.pl?1456591 ttp://www.ars-grin.gov/cgi-bin/npgs/acc/display.pl?1484057 ----------------------------------------------------- http://www.ars-grin.gov/cgi-bin/npgs/acc/display.pl?1448048 ----------------------------------------------------- http://www.ars-grin.gov/cgi-bin/npgs/acc/display.pl?1245110 http://www.ars-grin.gov/cgi-bin/npgs/acc/search.pl?accid=329722 http://www.ars-grin.gov/cgi-bin/npgs/acc/search.pl?accid=482936 http://www.ars-grin.gov/cgi-bin/npgs/acc/display.pl?1210101 http://www.ars-grin.gov/cgi-bin/npgs/acc/display.pl?1210102 http://www.ars-grin.gov/cgi-bin/npgs/acc/display.pl?1210121 http://www.ars-grin.gov/cgi-bin/npgs/acc/display.pl?1244782 ----------------------------------------------------- There are many more than just this, but it should give you a good start. |
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- Posted by farmfreedom (My Page) on Fri, May 11, 07 at 11:26
| No one is "pimping " the giant seed corn ! I make it available for $3 per pound plus shipping because the usda will not send it to Mass. It takes a full six months to maturity . So be fore warned . |
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- Posted by brian_ny_nj_pa zone 5/6 NY/NJ/ (My Page) on Tue, May 15, 07 at 12:01
| Farmfreedom, It's not you that I was talking about. I've received seeds from you before. In fact, you've been very helpful to me. I appreciate you sending me seeds and letting me know what you sent me. |
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