Well everyone . this is Jesse Eldrid the one who gave Brian his clone so he could grow his 23 foot tall plant. lets just hope that my 27' 10 inch plant gets a certificate also or it just might be W.W.3.
For the 08 season the Record to beat is NOT 23 feet. it is 27' 10" . and grown in NY not NJ.
sorry to bust your bubble Brian but you would be doing the same thing if you got screwed out of a record.

Hey Jesse
What exactly did Guinness tell you about your Tallest Amaranth claim? Gianty.

There are many claims of Bigfoot, but he isn't in the Guinness Book of World Records either. Keep trying! Maybe you'll get it next year.

There is no controversy about all of this record at all. PERIOD!

GWR requires several things for verification of a record.

1. two witnesses to the measurement. One being a person in the community with standing and the other a horticulturist.

Not including the statement of Mercer Weights and Measures, the day of my measurement (Oct 15), I had the mercer county executive and the mercer county cousel as my "persons of standing". I had the county horticulturist and someone from NJ Dept. of Ag. (mercer county soil conservation disctrict) as my horitculturist specialists.

He had no person of standing in the community and no horticulturist on the day of his measurement. He had a guy who cuts trees and two guys from Dutchess County Weights and Measures on the day of his measurement (Oct. 25th)

2. GWR requires plant to be measured from the top of the plant to the base of the stem.

My plant was measured from the top of the plant to the base of the stem.

His plant was measured from the top of the plant and exceeded over a half a foot into the root system (picture can be provided). He also might not have shown that his plant was measured in a straight line (perpendicular line) from top of the plant to the base.

3. GWR prefers media coverage at the measurement

I had FOX News Philadelphia and WZBN news channels
and the Trentonian Newspaper at my measurement (Oct 15)

He had no media coverage at his measurement (Oct 25)

Bottom line, he did not have the required witnesses, his plant was not measure correctly, and there was no media coverage. It's not up to GWR to 'figure out' how tall the plant is. You claim it's a certain height, than it better be that height. If they see it's not that height because it wasn't measured correctly then: End of story! If a measurement can not be proven accurate, no matter how tall it is, it can not be accepted by GWR. You can say, "well, it's taller; so it should be a record." And I'm not saying his plant was taller, I haven't actually seen this plant myself, and I have many questions about the accuracy of that measurement, which is too complicated to get into in this message. If there are problems with the measurement and it's obvious that it's not as tall as claimed then it won't be accepted, even if it is still taller than all other claims. It's not simply about how tall the plant is, but if the claim is also accurate. You are not just competing againt people this year, but also everyone trying in the future. Accuracy in measurement is extremely important.

Stop trying to rain on my parade.

I really don't want to post on brians thread anymore. my contact info is myspace/GardenMonster or find me on you tube.
Brian has made up a lot of crap in the past few weeks. and has kissed a lot of ass over the past few years. I can make a list. who wants one? the other day on the phone I asked him, "why do you kiss so much ass world wide"? and he said "to sell seeds". Now don't get me wrong he has good genetics and he loves trying grow giants. but he is lucky he got this certificate. I am not raining down on you Brian but you know that my Amaranth is and was 27' 10". Thats 5 FEET TALLER THAN YOURS. anyone who wants to know about the Record setting plant please contact the Dutchess County Bureau of Consumer affairs this is a copy of the official measurement.
next year I will hit 30 feet

Happy Holidays.
Jesse

New York state gardener/farmer Jesse Eldrid specializes in growing heavy, tall, and large vegetables and annual plants. On October 25th, 2007, after a long summer of working, watching, and waiting, he finally contacted county officials in order to obtain a legitimate measurement of the Amaranthus Australis plant he had been growing since the beginning of the year. When Jesse contacted the local bureau of weights and measures, he knew that he had a record-breaking plant -- but he didn't know that his plant would be almost twelve feet (11.98) taller than the the goal he had set for himself in the existing record: the official measurement of the plant, he would learn that afternoon, was 27'10".
In the early Spring months of 2007, Jesse received several amaranth seeds from the USDA NCRPIS (United States Department of Agriculture, North Central Regional Plant Introduction Station). Although one wouldn't think it from the size of the mature plant, Amaranthus seeds themselves are actually quite small (smaller than the head of a pin.) Germinating them was fairly difficult, however. Once he managed to get a handful of young plants growing well, he knew one of them was destined to be huge. On May 15th, when Jesse transplanted the young seedlings outside, they started growing rapidly. The plant that grew the fastest also happened to have the largest trunk (measuring almost five feet around) which may have helped the plant grow significantly taller than normal. (An average "trunk" would have a five to eight inch circumference.)
As the temperatures rose, the plant grew faster and faster. Competition, too, was on the rise. In Spring, Jesse shared a small number of cuttings among friends, and their plants had begun to take on considerable height at around this time, as well. As it turned out, many of these cuttings exceeded the 15' benchmark, some even stretched to 20+ feet.
In the early autumn, near the end of the amaranth's life cycle, Jesse's record-breaking plant was still growing several feet per day. Just before the official measurement, the plant also began producing flowers which also contributed to the overall height of the amaranth. Another factor contributing to the overwhelming size of the plant was the amount of water it received per day -- approximately 30 gallons per plant, per day.
In order to give the plant extra support (and to determine the benchmark for the old record) Jesse built a fifteen foot tall trellis for the amaranth. It didn't take long for the plant to outgrow it, though. By the middle of August, it was no longer possible to measure the plant with a ladder alone. (For the official measurement in October, professional arborists were called in, and a bucket-truck was necessary to get a measurement from the very top of the plant.)
Jesse Eldrid has been growing unusual plants for many years, and gardening is a life-long obsession for him. In the future, he plans on challenging the millet, sorghum, and historic corn records (for height.) He also intends, one day, to beat his own amaranth record. By growing crops such as these, Jesse hopes to raise awareness about the natural world and the potential for alternative energy.

It comes down to who grew the bigger plant, not who brought in the bigger media or the better cameras. It's about gardening.
I had twelve plants over 23' tall. Most of Brian's plants were *clones* of my certified 27'10" plant. He has left that information out of all of his articles, and posted up elsewhere that my plant is a "bigfoot" type of claim. Not only does he know better -- but he should have *acted* better, too. It's a much longer story than this, and it would probably make a good book. Maybe Brian would be interested in helping me write it??

Jesse,
Please give it a break. What's done is done. There's nothing stoping you from growing a bigger plant next year. Get all of the necessary stuff together and re-apply. You need at least 2 people of standing in your community that saw it when it was a seedling to verify it's one plant from one seed. You will need some sort of media coverage. You will stand a better chance if you were to enter it into a crops competion at a local fair. Official State certified weights and measure guy to measure and document. It has to be measued in a straight line. You can't follow the bend in the stalk. Again it makes you look like a sore loser if you keep crying over spilled milk. Move on. You Can DOOOOOOO It. Later Gianty.

It comes down to who grew the bigger plant, not who brought in the bigger media or the better cameras. It's about gardening.
I had twelve plants over 23' tall. Most of Brian's plants were *clones* of my certified 27'10" plant. He has left that information out of all of his articles, and posted up elsewhere that my plant is a "bigfoot" type of claim. Not only does he know better -- but he should have *acted* better, too. It's a much longer story than this, and it would probably make a good book. Maybe Brian would be interested in helping me write it??

Jesse,
Guinness didn't accept your record for a reason. What reason did they give? If they didn't give a reason then you need to ask them just exactly what do they need for verification next year? You need to make a record claim attempt now, They will look at the claim and decide if it's a record they have already and if so they will give you the current record to beat and a claim number and guidelines. It's that simple. You have what it takes to set a new record even bigger than your best. So move on and quit making it anymore personnell than you already have. Nobody likes a sore loser, no matter what the reason. Later Gianty.

Jesse,
Plants that are entered into local garden club competitions, county fairs and state fairs carry alot more weight with Guinness. If you read the guidliness book you will find that in there. Move onward and upwards. Later Gianty.

This is an old article about a plant I grew for display at the county fair. Videos of the amaranth that was at the fair (which was actually grown in a container) are also available on youtube. These amaranth were featured in two different gardening columns in local papers.
I did read the guidelines, and so such things were actually included in my submission. Below photo is of my 27'10" plant.

It comes down to who grew the bigger plant, not who brought in the bigger media or the better cameras. It's about gardening.
I had twelve plants over 23' tall. Most of Brian's plants were *clones* of my certified 27'10" plant. He has left that information out of all of his articles, and posted up elsewhere that my plant is a "bigfoot" type of claim. Not only does he know better -- but he should have *acted* better, too. It's a much longer story than this, and it would probably make a good book. Maybe Brian would be interested in helping me write it??

Jesse,
Did you apply for a claim number first or did you just send in the paper work? I'll ask you one more time, what did Guinness say about the paper work you sent them. Why did they not accept your Amaranth?
Quote-This is an old article about a plant I grew for display at the county fair. Videos of the amaranth that was at the fair-End Quote
So what does that have to do with the plant you submitted for a WR certificate?
Was the 27ft 10in plant entered or shown at that fair? Your pis*ed and your making no sense. Later Gianty

Gianty:
I posted the article to show you that I did (and do) have some involvement with local gardening clubs and competitions. *You* seemed to suggest that sending this sort of information to Guinness would help me hear back from them. Whether that makes sense or not ... I don't know. You asked for it.

>Did you apply for a claim number first or did you just send in the paper work?

I wouldn't have been able to send in my application at all if I hadn't already been given a claim number by GWR signifying their awareness of my attempt.

>I'll ask you one more time, what did Guinness say about the paper work you sent them. Why did they not accept your Amaranth?

That's a really great question, Gianty. You don't even have to ask it "one more time". Let's keep asking it. I've been wondering the same thing for almost twelve weeks.

Maybe since you seem to know the ropes so well you should go get a job at GWR and stay off a thread about a plant that you don't know anything about.

Jesse,
You assume too much. Like I said before your just pis*ed off and you need to move on. I'm sure next year if you don't burn too many bridges along the way, it will be your year. I know more than you might think, I hold 7 WR titles for giant vegetables. Several years ago I was awarded a Guinness WR certificate for a Kohlrabi I grew(43.7-lbs). Come to find out I never broke the record, not even close(Bernard Lavery 63-lbs). It was a couple of years after the fact I found out. Did I get pis*ed no, I went out and broke the record with a 96.95 pounder. That's how you play the game. If you don't succed try again! No matter what the reason. So come on Jesse let it go and move on. Good luck Gianty.

Gianty's story would apply to this thread if Brians plant was bigger than Jesse's plant. anyone doubting the height of Jesse's plant can contact the officials who measured it. The whole point of all of this is to let people know about the Largest Amaranth ever grown on record. The certified record above clearly states the height of the tallest Amaranth plant grown, and a ton of photos/videos are available. Its clear which one is bigger.
That's great you hold some GWR's, congrats!
this is about gardening and facts.
And if the "GWR" to beat next year is only 23' 2" then that makes it easier for ALL of us doesn't it?:)
The largest Amaranth plant on record was grown in NY.

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It comes down to who grew the bigger plant, not who brought in the bigger media or the better cameras. It's about gardening.
I had twelve plants over 23' tall. Most of Brian's plants were *clones* of my certified 27'10" plant. He has left that information out of all of his articles, and posted up elsewhere that my plant is a "bigfoot" type of claim. Not only does he know better -- but he should have *acted* better, too. It's a much longer story than this, and it would probably make a good book. Maybe Brian would be interested in helping me write it??

Who is gianteverything? Your talking 3rd person here.
OK Jesse if that's who this is, you grew the biggest Amanranth of all time. Who has the Guinness WR certificate? Not you! If you want to spend all your time crying about what was instead of what will be then go ahead. By the way how much dirt do you remove from around the base of the plant before measuring? You can blame Brian all you want but it was Guinness that refused your claim not Brian. If you are going to be mad at someone direct your anger at Guinness. Brian holds no sway over the Guinness World Book of Records. They are an independent third party. Last word from me, good luck in the futher, Gianty.

soory no soil was taken from base of the 27' 10" certified Amaranth grown in NY besides normal erosion from watering. the stalk was over 50" around.
Wow this is an annual folks!!!

it is sad that the blows are getting as low as Gianty seems to want to make them. its shameful and sad.
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The whole point of all of this is to let people know about the Largest Amaranth ever grown on record. The certified record above clearly states the height of the tallest Amaranth plant grown, and a ton of photos/videos are available. Its clear which one is bigger
the one that Jesse grew.

It comes down to who grew the bigger plant, not who brought in the bigger media or the better cameras. It's about gardening.
I had twelve plants over 23' tall. Most of Brian's plants were *clones* of my certified 27'10" plant. He has left that information out of all of his articles, and posted up elsewhere that my plant is a "bigfoot" type of claim. Not only does he know better -- but he should have *acted* better, too. It's a much longer story than this, and it would probably make a good book. Maybe Brian would be interested in helping me write it??

Looks like you measured 8 inches below the root line. You can't go below those side shoot roots. Maybe that's why your claim was rejected? In this case I don't think that would of made enough of a difference. Yours was still taller. However Guinness has rules and a standard. I'm just guessing but I bet ya that's why Guinness rejected your Amaranth. Good luck down the road, Gianty.

GardenMonster
New York state gardener/farmer Jesse Eldrid specializes in growing heavy, tall, and large vegetables and annual plants. On October 25th, 2007, after a long summer of working, watching, and waiting, he finally contacted county officials in order to obtain a legitimate measurement of the Amaranthus Australis plant he had been growing since the beginning of the year. When Jesse contacted the local bureau of weights and measures, he knew that he had a record-breaking plant -- but he didn't know that his plant would be almost twelve feet (11.98) taller than the the goal he had set for himself in the existing record: the official measurement of the plant, he would learn that afternoon, was 27'10".
In the early Spring months of 2007, Jesse received several amaranth seeds from the USDA NCRPIS (United States Department of Agriculture, North Central Regional Plant Introduction Station). Although one wouldn't think it from the size of the mature plant, Amaranthus seeds themselves are actually quite small (smaller than the head of a pin.) Germinating them was fairly difficult, however. Once he managed to get a handful of young plants growing well, he knew one of them was destined to be huge. On May 15th, when Jesse transplanted the young seedlings outside, they started growing rapidly. The plant that grew the fastest also happened to have the largest trunk (measuring almost five feet around) which may have helped the plant grow significantly taller than normal. (An average "trunk" would have a five to eight inch circumference.)
As the temperatures rose, the plant grew faster and faster. Competition, too, was on the rise. In Spring, Jesse shared a small number of cuttings among friends, and their plants had begun to take on considerable height at around this time, as well. As it turned out, many of these cuttings exceeded the 15' benchmark, some even stretched to 20+ feet.
In the early autumn, near the end of the amaranth's life cycle, Jesse's record-breaking plant was still growing several feet per day. Just before the official measurement, the plant also began producing flowers which also contributed to the overall height of the amaranth. Another factor contributing to the overwhelming size of the plant was the amount of water it received per day -- approximately 30 gallons per plant, per day.
In order to give the plant extra support (and to determine the benchmark for the old record) Jesse built a fifteen foot tall trellis for the amaranth. It didn't take long for the plant to outgrow it, though. By the middle of August, it was no longer possible to measure the plant with a ladder alone. (For the official measurement in October, professional arborists were called in, and a bucket-truck was necessary to get a measurement from the very top of the plant.)
Jesse Eldrid has been growing unusual plants for many years, and gardening is a life-long obsession for him. In the future, he plans on challenging the millet, sorghum, and historic corn records (for height.) He also intends, one day, to beat his own amaranth record. By growing crops such as these, Jesse hopes to raise awareness about the natural world and the potential for alternative energy.

You incorrectly measured your Amaranth. YOU CAN NOT MEASURE BELOW THE ROOT LINE!! Do you understand what I'm saying?? If you don't believe me E-mail Guinness and ask them. On a lighter note you should go for the hardest head certificate. Good luck to ya Jesse. Later Gianty.

GardenMonster (auto response_
New York state gardener/farmer Jesse Eldrid specializes in growing heavy, tall, and large vegetables and annual plants. On October 25th, 2007, after a long summer of working, watching, and waiting, he finally contacted county officials in order to obtain a legitimate measurement of the Amaranthus Australis plant he had been growing since the beginning of the year. When Jesse contacted the local bureau of weights and measures, he knew that he had a record-breaking plant -- but he didn't know that his plant would be almost twelve feet (11.98) taller than the the goal he had set for himself in the existing record: the official measurement of the plant, he would learn that afternoon, was 27'10".
In the early Spring months of 2007, Jesse received several amaranth seeds from the USDA NCRPIS (United States Department of Agriculture, North Central Regional Plant Introduction Station). Although one wouldn't think it from the size of the mature plant, Amaranthus seeds themselves are actually quite small (smaller than the head of a pin.) Germinating them was fairly difficult, however. Once he managed to get a handful of young plants growing well, he knew one of them was destined to be huge. On May 15th, when Jesse transplanted the young seedlings outside, they started growing rapidly. The plant that grew the fastest also happened to have the largest trunk (measuring almost five feet around) which may have helped the plant grow significantly taller than normal. (An average "trunk" would have a five to eight inch circumference.)
As the temperatures rose, the plant grew faster and faster. Competition, too, was on the rise. In Spring, Jesse shared a small number of cuttings among friends, and their plants had begun to take on considerable height at around this time, as well. As it turned out, many of these cuttings exceeded the 15' benchmark, some even stretched to 20+ feet.
In the early autumn, near the end of the amaranth's life cycle, Jesse's record-breaking plant was still growing several feet per day. Just before the official measurement, the plant also began producing flowers which also contributed to the overall height of the amaranth. Another factor contributing to the overwhelming size of the plant was the amount of water it received per day -- approximately 30 gallons per plant, per day.
In order to give the plant extra support (and to determine the benchmark for the old record) Jesse built a fifteen foot tall trellis for the amaranth. It didn't take long for the plant to outgrow it, though. By the middle of August, it was no longer possible to measure the plant with a ladder alone. (For the official measurement in October, professional arborists were called in, and a bucket-truck was necessary to get a measurement from the very top of the plant.)
Jesse Eldrid has been growing unusual plants for many years, and gardening is a life-long obsession for him. In the future, he plans on challenging the millet, sorghum, and historic corn records (for height.) He also intends, one day, to beat his own amaranth record. By growing crops such as these, Jesse hopes to raise awareness about the natural world and the potential for alternative energy.

Gianty
maybe you should just call Jesse on the phone and talk to him. or go to his house. I think Brian Moore has his his number,instead of wasting your time on message boards. Get out and garden and worry about you and your own record breaking plants..

Excuse me I thought I was talking to Jesse Eldrid? So whom ever I'm talking to. WE GET IT!! Jesse is a very talented gardener. I applaude him, job well done. But do you get the point I made about measuring from above the roots not below? You're not doing your friend any favors by going on and on and on about something you somehow have taken on as your personell cause. Do you have anything new to add to the conversation or are you just going to keep repeating youself? I'm really just trying to help out here. YOU CAN NOT MEASURE BELOW THE ROOT LINE. Later Gianty.

good luck this season.

This is a link to the Full PDF Article

Both of you guys are really good at what you do, and I hope you can just put the bickering behind you, and work together.

Now how does one go about getting some seeds?

First off, I believe that there is a Bigfoot!
And I respect both of Jesse's and Brain's plants, and I don't have a comment on the record thing. I can imagine it being vary hard to arange all that. I know I'm going to give it a try this year and will see if I can even get close to these guys!

I wish you both Jesse and Brian and anyone else who grows these Amaranth the best of luck for 2008.

LOL ITS 2008!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0tW99koioEc

Brian,

Thanks for the seeds, they arrived today Fri 28th of March 2008. I really appreciate it, and hopefully I can set a record here in Canada :-)

If that happens, I'll be sure to credit you for it

Yep,
Brian is a class act.

Any ideas how to plant the amaranth seeds, and how long do they take to reach full height? They are so tiny

lots of heat and water will get them to germinate in cells.
It will take 10-15 days to sprout. heat matt/ greenhouse.
They grow slow at first but as the summer heats up the the plant starts growing fast. they are heavy feeders, and are photo sensitive so if you notice them slowing down in fall when days are shorter you might want to increase the strength of your fertilizer.

I feel dumb for reading this.

Both of you are little petty children.

Wait... I'm confused! Giant Everything says that there is a new record holder. However, I checked the Guinness web site, and it lists Brian as the record holder. What gives? :/

I'm starting to think that Jesse's record is nothing but rubbish! I just checked the Guinness web page again, and Brian is still listed as the world record holder! I think this Jesse guy is two giant grapefruits short of a full sack! Jesse, my mate - since this world record didn't work out for you, it's good to know that you can still make a few Quid as a graphic artist, 'cause that was a great bloody job you did Photoshopping that certificate! Cheers!

WOW! My crap stinks the most. I want a certificate for it! BOO HOO HOO! You guys are a bunch of NERDS!

Jay

hey, hey!! now children!! behave!! (see i'm good at this!! i have a 12 and 6 yr old!! LOL) **i'm just kidding big grinn**
ok so your pissed, get over it and move on to the next thing, this is what i tell my son (12), its time to figure your next thing your gonna do, so whats it gonna be, and this is where you begin with a positive one, like growing the next one that you know you can, and since you know it can be at the very least 27' have it measured RIGHT and have the camera's and the horticulturist and just play THEIR game. one thing in life i have learned. is if you want something like say....that. play the game right. who cares if you have to swallow a little of your gardening pride, if that's what your afraid of, what do ya want more?? the gwr or the pride?? ;') ~Medo

The Guinness people do not update their web site often . But anyone who applied to break the record this year will see that the Guinness people send you the correct information on the record holder.
cheers !! and good luck this season
Gardenmonsters.

Looks like this controversy is finally over !! The NEW 2009 guinness book of world records is now out in stores.
I just opened up my new book and on pg. 127
and the winner is ... ** drum roll **

Amaranthus 23 ft 2 in (7.06m)
Brian Moore (USA)
2007

CONGRATS to Brian on your new guinness world record and a job well done!! We can close the book on this whole silly argument now. The web-site has Brian as the record holder and now the new 2009 book has him as the record holder as well. Lets all get back to growing plants and forget this whole drama for good.
B.P.P

I don't see this as "over"!
If the certificate from GWR says Jesse Eldrid 27' 10"
Whats the deal?
Secondly who is gianteverything? The "my page" says Taiwan?
A lot of things just don't add up, what's the truth?
What's really going on here??????
I would like to know!
Thanks
Ed

There use to be these toys called 'Battle Beasts' back in the 80's. You rub the little sticker on the front and it would be fire, water, or wood. Fire beats wood, wood beats water, and water beats fire.

That's sort of what is going on with this whole situation.

Guinness website and Guinness 2009 book
- beats -
photoshop pics and two eagle eyed NYS weights and measures guys who can't figure out if they are using the centimeter or inch side of the tape measure.

There is no reason for a controversy over getting in the Guinness Book of World Records. It's a big book and there is room in it for everyone. There are plenty of other records out there to beat for 2010. There are still open records out there, such as: 'Tallest tale', or 'Most excuses why I didn't make the 2009 GWR book' and my favorite, 'Most tears to dribble down a cheek in 60 seconds'.

I'm pretty sure Guinness has a category for most aluminum cans opened. Maybe Jesse can attempt to break this record while drinking beer. That way, he can drown his sorrows and set a world record at the same time!

The Guinness site has been updated!!!!!
http://www.guinnessworldrecords.com/records/natural_world/plant_world/tallest_amaranthus.aspx

YUP the Guinness web site has been updated!!!!!!!!!
yay for Jesse .Hes listed as the Record Holder.. Looks like NJ had the record for about 10 whole days after all!!!
Its a shame He didnt make the measuring deadline to make it into the 2009 book. pehaps 2010.. but Im sure he is happy with holing the record longer then one week ..... CHEERS ...... be sure to look at all his youtube videos.
just search one word " jesseeldrid" and you should be able to check out his new videos..

I don't mean to take sides here, but Jesse clearly had the tallest Amaranth. I think it is perfectly logical to see this, and his evidence was quite concrete from objective standpoint.