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Posted by bluebonsai101 6a PA (My Page) on Sun, Jan 16, 05 at 10:34
| HI, I got a Kaempferia from a friend in Australia and all he called it was 'aurea'. I posted a pic in the gallery and I was hoping some of the experts here could give me a proper species ID. It is a wonderful plant and I'd like to put a name tag on it. Thanks in advance :o) Dan |
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RE: Kaempferia pic in gallery for ID please
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| Its not a Kaempferia, but Cornukaempferia aurantiflora. The US trade name for it is 'Jungle Gold' (though there are other forms around). I think the australians were calling this 'Velvet Butterfly' when it first came out. Tim Chapman |
RE: Kaempferia pic in gallery for ID please
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| Thanks Tim, Could I clarify one bit of nomenclature. I've seen the genus Caulokaempferia (I have sikkimensis)....is this the same as Cornukaempferia or is my spelling incorrect....this would not be a shock by the way. I've only got a few ginger and I like these because they naturally go dormant and it makes it easier for us northern guys :o) Dan |
RE: Kaempferia pic in gallery for ID please
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| Caulokaempferia is an entirely different genus from Cornukaempferia (and don't forget Parakaempferia! Although I'd be shocked if anyone had that plant). For having only a few gingers you are doing pretty good. Even though Cornukaempferia is becoming pretty common in the trade it was only discovered about 10 years ago. And not many people grow Caulokaempferia at all. Actually I would be interested in getting some of C. sikkimensis if you (or anyone else) has it as I am working on a phylogeny of Caulokaempferia for publication in a scientific journal(i.e. determining the evolutionary relationships of the species using DNA sequencing and taxonomic study). I don't have any Indian material so this would be interesting. -Kyle |
RE: Kaempferia pic in gallery for ID please
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| Kyle, you are forgetting paracautleya as well :-), had that once. though that just looks like a tiny little curcuma anyway. I could send you Caulokaempferia linearis in summer if you need it, and might be able to get some of the C. bracteata and C. thailandica for you if you don't have them. Cornukaempferia and Caulokaempferia are very different plants in appearance and growth habits, requirements etc. Cornukaempferia is a much more forgiving and easier plant to grow. Caulokaempferia tend to grow on wet rocks near waterfalls... and other difficult to reproduce habitats. Tim Chapman |
RE: caulokaempferia photos
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| the link below has some photos of caulokaempferia sikkimensis, and is a good example of how they grow (notice the wet rocks, moss, and ferns). Tim Chapman |
Here is a link that might be useful: caulokaempferia sikkimensis
RE: Kaempferia pic in gallery for ID please
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| Hi Kyle and Tim, Thanks for all the wonderful help. I get these sorts of things as "extras" when I import aroids and other plants in large numbers from overseas and then get other unique items to see if I can grow them or trade them or whatever. Mostly I stick to the basics that I can grow easily (a few Hedychium, Curcuma, Kaempferia), but these extra beauties just cry out to me to have a stab at......often times unsuccessfully I might add, but hey, nothing ventured, nothing gained right :o) Dan |
RE: Kaempferia pic in gallery for ID please
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| C. linearis would be nice to get, especially since it is the type of the genus. Maybe you could send it to me this spring. I've got leaf material of the others. When my study is done I will almost certainly have to break up the genus. I'll let you know when I do that however. I certainly couldn't forget Paracautleya, I've collected it in the wild! Weird little thing, it grows in the cracks of rocks. Kress has it. I'm surprised you do though, I didn't think anyone else had gotten ahold of any. What I REALLY want is Cyphostigma (from Sri Lanka). I think it will be very interesting in evolutionary terms within the gingers, but no one has it in cultivation as far as I know. I'll be off the list for a couple months as I'm off to collect in Thailand. In terms of gingers I'm going to search an area that is rumored to have Siamanthus growing wild. It should be the right time of year for flowers, so who knows, I might get lucky! -Kyle |
RE: Kaempferia pic in gallery for ID please
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| Well, Bhat sent me some Paracautleya about 12 years ago or longer I think, but it didn't last long.. been dead and gone for many years. Little thing was in bloom when I got it. plant and inflorescence were about 2-3 inches tall! I have a job for you before you go to thailand, so e-mail before you leave :-) . where are the species falling into group wise with caulokaemp.s? If only seen 4 species in bloom personally, and pictures of some of the others. Tim Chapman |
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