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good luck, you're on your own (long rant)

Posted by macbirch ACT Aust (My Page) on
Tue, Apr 17, 07 at 5:26

There's an occasional free give-away of CFL's at local shopping centres, funded by the Australian Government. So far so good.

Late last year I was talking to one of the girls. I didn't want to take the freebie (or six) if I couldn't use it and I remembered hearing that CFL's aren't as good in rooms where you switch them on and off all the time like bathrooms. Girl didn't know anything about that but she then said you can't use them with dimmers. Well, we've got lots of dimmers. I asked if I could buy dimmable CFL's anywhere and was told no such thing. Checked at the local lighting store and got the same advice, no such thing.

Soon after, I saw dimmable CFL's mentioned on GW. Back to the lighting store to find out when they might be available in Australia. The version this time was yes, they were available for a while but have been banned because they're not certified for sale. Huh?

Got more info from GW and other sources. The manufacturer said they've had them here for more than a year. Went back to the store. They had them. I asked why they didn't have them, or find out about them, when I asked a few months ago. Answer was they're new, just became available.

Rang organisation that runs the give-aways to let them know dimmable CFL's can now be purchased so maybe they could let people know. After all the point of what they do is to promote being green.

The give-away people were at the local shops again the other day. I asked about dimmable CFL's. They don't give them out but were able to say that they can be purchased. They found out a couple of weeks ago at another shopping centre. When I said I let their organisation know a couple of months ago they got very defensive. Excuse was that they aren't a lighting store so they aren't experts. When I pointed out that if they are funded by the government to promote green living they should know a bit about it, they got very nasty.

Just needed to vent. People like that do the environment a disservice. I wonder how many people threw out CFL's that proved to be incompatible with their dimmers, or went away believing that they couldn't get suitable CFL's. And if the people who get government funding to spread the green word are ignorant and disinterested about this, what else are they doing in a half-baked way. Doesn't do anything for their credibility in my eyes.


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RE: good luck, you're on your own (long rant)

macbirch, at least your government is mandating some change! So sorry about your experiences, though, and you're right -- particularly for those who know little about greener living options, bad information or a difficult occurance can be a deterrant (I've seen people deliberately forgo recycling and other environmental measures "in protest.") It may be little consolation, but perhaps you could write your officials and/or the companies selling CFL's. Eventually, something has to get through... one hopes.


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RE: good luck, you're on your own (long rant)

I saw on the news (US) that tungsten bulbs would be illegal in EU in 2009 and that there was a hue and cry that it was too soon, that they (I don't know who) couldn't make the changes that fast.
I'll guess dimmable CFL's will be available there because there won't be anything else in a few years.
The General Electric lobby is probably too powerful here in the US for that to be mandated here.


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RE: good luck, you're on your own (long rant)

In celebration of Earth Day, on Sunday April 22nd, The Home Depot will give
away 1,000,000 Compact Fluorescent Light Bulbs to customers who visit any
U.S. The Home Depot Store.

This will result in:

$12 million in savings in annual energy costs
Reduction of 196 million lbs of CO2 emissions - the equivalent of removing
over 70,000 cars from American highways.

*While supplies last and within the 48 contiguous states*

http://www6.homedepot.com/ecooptions/index.html

Here is a link that might be useful: Free CFL's at Home Depot.


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RE: good luck, you're on your own (long rant)

Thanks, happycthulhu! Wish Home Depot was within biking distance. ;)

Have you heard about their new "green" labeling and Eco campaigns? That company has been in so much trouble over various practices. Hopefully these labels will be accurate and informative, and not mislead well-intentioned consumers -- or turn them away. Maybe we can all try to keep an eye out.


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RE: good luck, you're on your own (long rant)

I remember some years ago our consumer organisation criticised the companies that put pictures of dolphins and other pseudo-environmental stuff on their packaging. Let's hope an independent certification organisation and not the marketing people are in charge of it.

The CFL give-away people are saying you can dispose of old CFL's in your regular bin. The amount of mercury is less than in an incandescent light bulb. Anyone heard anything like this? I don't remember ever hearing that incandescents contain mercury.


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RE: good luck, you're on your own (long rant)

macbirch, at least those folks, fully informed or not, are out there bringing the CFL info to the public's attention. That's more than most of us do. As far as organizing to criticise companies for using pictures of dolphins and other "environmental" stuff you may do more real good by getting out there and handing out lightbulbs. Tom


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RE: good luck, you're on your own (long rant)

Sorry I didn't make myself clear. Our consumer organisation was criticising companies that were making their products appear environmentally friendly when they either weren't or they had a token benefit while still having undesirable aspects, and some of the claims were irrelevant or downright ridiculous anyway. Can't remember exactly but there were products that never contained the bad ingredient "b" and wouldn't logically require bad ingredient "b" that were being labelled "guaranteed b-free" just because "b" was in the news a lot. The dolphins were being put on products that had nothing to do with dolphins, oceans, anything like that. One product was promoted as producing an environmentally-friendly by-product which wasn't. It was nothing more than an exercise in feel-good marketing with absolutely no substance. Makes people confused and cynical.

I've been interested in environmental issues for about twenty years. Lately it has become fashionable. In some ways that's making things easier for me but in other ways it's not. A lot more information out there, a lot more products. A lot more research.

When we were looking for a new house we saw a couple advertised as solar- passive. One was tri-level with the two storey side almost all glass, the other was single level with lots of glass along one side. They had the "solar-passive look" that's for sure. One faced east, the other west. I don't take the realtor's word for it, I carry a compass.


I think we are at a turning point. We can take it seriously or we can indulge in a feel-good exercise. When people who make a profit or are funded by our taxes to spread the environmental message treat it as a fashionable feel-good exercise I am concerned.


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RE: good luck, you're on your own (long rant)

Fine print on smoke alarm instructions says not to be placed within some distance of fluorescent lights. Including CFL's? Another complication?


 
 

 

 


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