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Feb 2009 shift to Digital Broadcast

Posted by j_nail 5 Eastern WA (My Page) on
Mon, Dec 3, 07 at 3:30

Anyone know of attempts to counter-balance the millions of TV's that are going to become obsolete when all television is required to be broadcast digital? I'm not up to snuff on the recycling of electronics, other than I know of a couple local agencies that handle these items. Just curious if this has crossed anyone else's mind or not. After I find out a little more, I'm going to look in to doing something locally if I can.


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RE: Feb 2009 shift to Digital Broadcast

I was concerned about this too (my father just bought a new TV and refused to spring for HDTV)and did some research.

They don't need to be trashed - there is some kind of signal converter that can be used. Cable companies will make these available at minimal cost. If you don't use cable,you will still be able to buy one (as I understand it).


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  • Posted by j_nail 5 Eastern WA (My Page) on
    Tue, Dec 4, 07 at 15:52

Well, that's good to hear. I just hope they make the alternatives well known so that Joe Schmoe doesn't wind up throwing away his 3 TV's because they don't know better. I'll do my best to stay in the know on this issue and spread the word on my end.


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Yes,they are putting more and more info on TV and in magazines. It maybe a little awesome tho for the elderly to understand.


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  • Posted by j_nail 5 Eastern WA (My Page) on
    Sun, Dec 9, 07 at 13:18

That's one of my biggest concerns actually. Even though there are options, how many people are going to know about them and understand them? I suppose many people are going to be asking about alternatives in the interest of saving money at least so the impact wont be quite the nightmare I envisioned when I first heard about it. Thanks for the info guys!


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Hey are you saying my father is elderly? well, ok, he is. What surprised me was that no one in my family seemed to be aware of this either. Unlike them, I don't watch TV, read mainstream magazines, or listen to commercial radio - but NPR has done a fine job of educating me.

So I hope the mainstream ad campaign is successful.


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check this out: www.dtvanswers.com


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HDTV and digital television have only a passing relation.
In Feb '09 we'll have digital TV which means all tv signal will be digital. Most will probably be HD by then but not all.

I continue to be amazed by people that don't bother to learn anything about it. Heck if you've got cable you've probably got digital cable now. If you don't you probably could, just needs a new box and has NOTHING to do with your tv. The digital conversion is over the air anyway, has nothing to do with cable or satelite.

I'd betcha $5 that lots of tvs will get tossed as part of this. People don't want to educate themselves, they want to do what big corps tell them to, which is to buy a new TV...


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I like to recycle electronics too, and I try to find places to send them because I kind of live out if BFE. I would be willing to MAIL the stuff to them, but I dont know where to mail them to. I have tried to look up mailing addresses or whatever. but to no avail, and now I havea box of junk that needs to be gone and I just cant throw it out. LOL It drives my husband NUTS because its hanging around and he swears he will throw it out when I am gone!! I am a non waster by blood I guess and it takes a lot to make me just toss something that can be used over. Everything I dont have a need for I try my hardest to find a new home for it, like working toys go to my sons daycare, furniture and clothes go to the good shepard mission and then my recycleables go the to recycle place, and I use the reusable bags.
Does anyone know where batteries can be sent to?


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Hey all!

Actually, I'm a video editor, so hopefully I have some answers.

First, as curtludwig points out, if you have "digital cable" this is almost a non-issue. Your cable provider is already sending you a digital signal, and your cable box is a digital-to-analog decoder which allows you to watch the digital signal on your analog set. You'll be able to continue to do that after the 2009 deadline.

Much of the material may show up letterboxed at that point, as the aspect ratio of digital television is 16:9 instead of the current 4:3.

Your cable company has, no doubt, been pressuring you for the last few years to switch to "digital cable," and this is why. If you still have analog cable, you'll have to get digital cable in 2009.

Second, the FCC has been threatening to eliminate analog broadcasts since 2003. They can't do it because the law says that they can't until 85% of the population in a given metro area has an HD-capable set.

Since, as I'm sure you know, no metro area meets this requirement, they keep pushing back the deadline. They hope to keep the 2009 deadline by giving away digital-to-analog converter boxes--in other words, in theory, nobody would have to buy a new television set, they could just sit on their hands and the feds would buy them a converter.

I can't be sure, but I'm betting this is a bluff, since I don't think they really want to buy everyone in the country a converter (again, you would only really need this if you rely on over-the-air broadcast, but you could claim one even if you didn't).

Third, if you'd like to recycle an old television set, first, I would try to freecycle it (www.freecycle.org) and see if anyone in your area wants it. If that doesn't work, see the link I've provided. You should keep in mind that not every part of your TV can be meaningfully recycled, but better some of it than none of it!

(Lindsayg--in my area Walgreens, the drugstore, will take household batteries for recycling...where do you live?)

Lastly, if you do buy an HDTV, look for one with the Energy Star logo to minimize its power use. One bright spot: the LCD technology used in most HDTV sets is far more efficient than the current CRT technology, so there's a small silver lining to this whole process.

Here is a link that might be useful: Electronics recycling


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RE: Feb 2009 shift to Digital Broadcast

"I'd betcha $5 that lots of tvs will get tossed as part of this. People don't want to educate themselves, they want to do what big corps tell them to, which is to buy a new TV..."

"Your cable company has, no doubt, been pressuring you for the last few years to switch to "digital cable," and this is why. If you still have analog cable, you'll have to get digital cable in 2009."

So....whose bright idea was this? The TV makers or the cable companies? Either way it sounds like it is going to end up costing us money.

Since I don't have digital cable, I'm going to have to buy a box? or pay the cable company $7/month to rent one? How much of a carbon foot print is this little govermental mandate making????

I have 3 perfectly good TV's and I don't want an ugly box that will probably cause me to have yet another remote control.

Just another example of big business pushing the government into creating a new law that will cost the little guy more money! We need to fire our congress and start over! Term Limits people!!!


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RE: Feb 2009 shift to Digital Broadcast

  • Posted by bencjedi 6 - Central Kentucky (My Page) on
    Wed, Jan 30, 08 at 13:08

Apply for government subsidized DTV converter box coupons here:

TV Converter Box Coupon Program Website

They are worth $40 each. All major retailers should start carrying the converter boxes in late February\March. They will sell from $39.99 to $69.99. Coupons won't be sent until the converter boxes are on store shelves.


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  • Posted by bencjedi 6 - Central Kentucky (My Page) on
    Wed, Jan 30, 08 at 13:21

Messed-up the link in my last post

Here is a link that might be useful: Here's the link to the DTV converter box site


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RE: Feb 2009 shift to Digital Broadcast

ellie_mae:

Although the TV makers benefit, the forced conversion to HD is not their idea, because they're all Japanese. The US government isn't going to toss Sony such a huge bone just out of charity.

So why is this happening? Well, let's ask a few questions and find out.

As you know, the four major broadcast networks are using up a huge amount of public bandwidth for their broadcasts. What do you think they pay, on a yearly basis, for the privilege of monopolizing this huge public resource?

Answer: zip. Zero. Nada.

Now, if for some reason they could be forced to give up this bandwidth, the US government could sell it to, say, mobile phone companies, who are desperate for bandwidth and happy to pay through the nose.

But wait, you say. With DTV, won't the networks just be exchanging analog bandwidth for digital bandwidth?

Yes...and no. Because of tremendous advances in digital compression, it turns out that the bandwidth allocated for an HD channel is actually only ONE-SIXTH of the bandwidth allocated for an analog channel.

So there you have it. All this trouble and waste, just so the Feds can recapture five-sixths of the broadcast spectrum.

Matt


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We don't get cable (or satellite)...we watch only free "over-the-air" network TV. This summer, we'll simply get two of the converter boxes for our analog TV's (with our coupons from the gov, of course), and that will be that. We'll actually gain two local channels that are broadcast only in digital. No way we're going to buy new TV's when ours work just fine, and all we need is a box to do the conversions. We may need one extra converter box for our third TV, but we'd rather pay for that than give the cable companies any money.

Hopefully, many people who don't have cable will do the same...there's absolutely no reason to trash a perfectly good TV just because government is changing signal types on us. The aspect ratio is annoying (already we get some things "cut off" the sides of our square TV's), but we'll live with it...the newer TV's are still just too darned expensive.


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Here in my little town the local news is trying to spread the word about the change over so TV's don't end up in the landfill. I've got to believe my area is not unique.


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  • Posted by bencjedi 6 - Central Kentucky (My Page) on
    Tue, Feb 26, 08 at 14:20

Matt, don't forget that the government stands to make $billions in sales from auctioning the bandwidth they are creating with shift to digital. The telecommunications companies are actively bidding on the 'opened' spectrum so they can sell consumers enhanced services on our cell phones (better broadband speeds, etc).


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The coupons are only good for three months, so it would be best not to apply for one until you are ready to get the converter. I'm sure there will be plenty of ads and newspaper articles about the availability of the government subsidized coupons.

Lorna


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Anyone interested may as well apply now - because it will be awhile before they're sent out. I applied for ours on 2/25, and the target mailing date for our coupons isn't until April 21st...so we won't even get them until the end of April (two months after we applied for them). They're good for three months from the time they are mailed out...so ours should be good until July 21st.

With the coupons, it will cost us $10 per converter box, so not a huge expense ($20 total).


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We got our converter box a couple of weeks ago, and I'm sure less than enthralled. There is so much "digital noise" on the thing, it rivals my satellite TV during a thunderstorm. Thankfully, we rarely watch broadcast TV. Sure, tell me that they're basically giving us the converter (it ended up costing us $9.00 with the coupon). Now my husband tells me that if we're going to get rid of the digital noise, we'll need an external antenna. Great, so now we have to buy something to make the new technology usable. All in the name of commerce. Great.

There's very little digital noise through my library book. I think I'll switch to that.


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I'm glad we already have an external antenna then...that would really drive me nuts! I don't think we'd be able to get a signal at all without an external (rooftop) antenna though, so I've had one for a long time. They should post something to that effect on the DTV answers site, so people know what to expect...


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I've got a Sansonic FT300A converter box & it works great. We purchased an Insignia from Wal-Mart prior & had problems with audio when it overheats. Need to reset the box. I recommended Sansonic converter box. You can go to www.sansonic.net for more info.


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We got 2 Magnavox converters...the version that has an analog pass through (from Sears - only place in town that has the analog pass through box). It works great, and although both Fox and PBS aren't yet broadcasting in digital here, we can still get those with the analog pass through.

It does boost the signal a bit too - much crisper pictures. :-)


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I find it quite humurous that a thread on the "going green" forum about TV is such a hot topic :)

turn'em off and get out in the garden, or get back in touch with the real world by making your own entertainment

Bill


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  • Posted by j_nail 5 Eastern WA (My Page) on
    Fri, May 30, 08 at 12:38

As a refresher to why I started this thread on the "Going Green" forum. I was concerned about the amount of perfectly good TV sets that would wind up in landfills because many people don't know any better. I've since realized my panic may have been premature, but I still hope that word gets around that you can recycle used electronics. Like computers, cell phones, yada yada yada.


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A little TV isn't a bad thing, Bill (I suppose it would be if you're anti-electronics, but I'm not, obviously, since I'm online). I work all day, garden evenings and weekends, cook, read, craft and have lots of other things going on, but I do enjoy TV too, and make no apologies for that. I don't think anyone on these forums (even this "green" one) can really say anything about TV-watchers when they're spending time on a computer themselves (which is basically an interactive "TV")... ;-)

Getting converter boxes mean that we'll keep our old TV's much longer, and we will recycle as much of them as possible when they finally die (hopefully not for a long time).


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no a "little" TV isn't all bad - I have an old 12" model on rabbit ears that was given to me, and ocassionally I watch some of the CBCs educational, enviromental or comedy offerings .... if changes occur that make it non-functional, I'll return to living without

keeping old TVs longer "greens up" nothing but personal bank accounts, does nothing for the culture that spawns the increasingly overweight, unfit children in our society, or the amount of energy used to run entertainment devices ... recycling them is definitely a good thing, and hopefully most communities are getting it together to educate their local populations on the possibilities available

my presence on the net has little to do with entertainment, but much to do with education, originating with the community usefulness of spreading the knowledge involved in my very green business, expanding to using it for a resource for information ... more frequently I hang out at the composting forums or various mechanical/technical forums, learning and teaching ... and email can be much greener than snail mail for keeping in touch with family :)

I just had to laugh at this thread generating more discussion than 90% of the other ones on this forum

Bill


 
 

 

 


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