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| I dug up two rhizome sections of green Arundo donax that had "escaped" under a fence and stuck them in the ground in my backyard. The reed has some eyes starting to come out in various stages, as well as some short stalks when seemed rather stressed. I'm assuming that they will grow rather easily
How do I keep this rather exotic monster (for Ohio) under control, while still getting it to send up stalks 10 feet up? I'm assuming that it will survive the winter, but are there any concerns about plant placement? Can one dig it up in teh Spring and trim the rhizomes to control it, or are the roots raher sensitive? When does it start to grow in the spring, early or late? |
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| well, i guess i'm on my own in this folly...well, i'll have some fun at least when i transplanted the rhizome pieces that i dug up, the current grass stalks all very quickly turned brown in less than a week, but i've already got one new eye that has sprouted up and i should think i will get a few more... i think i would have to try to kill the roots to stop this monsterweed. don't know about winter thou. |
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| I'm in NW Pennsylvania, and my Arundo is doing fine. This is year 3 for my 4 clumps. Cheap grass fertilizer makes a huge improvement in the growth department! Use it! I got mine from a lady who has had a patch for years. It's pretty easy to control up here. It all dies back every winter and starts over again in the spring. Low maintenance stuff, tho. It makes nice long, bamboo-like canes... and gets BIG! |
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| How tall do the canes in the growing period. |
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| but it does spread and send out very tough rhizomes. the clumb i dug it out of was just a weak edge to the plant clump. i sawed one rhizome in half with a hand saw, and it seems one could do that to cut the rhizome, but it does seem hella tough. i guess i could dig it up every few years and replant selected rhizomes I read that people have it in Penn. and Michigan, as well as Ohio... but actually gardening info for it in the north is hard to find |
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- Posted by grass_lover z5a IA (My Page) on Sat, Jun 25, 05 at 13:01
| lkz5ia, I bought my Donax the beginning of May. The tallest stalk was probably about a foot tall and since then it's over my head by a few inches (so maybe close to six feet) :) It's keeping pace with the tallest of my neighbor's horseweeds (she doesn't mow much and last year her horseweeds were probably at least ten feet). |
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| I never measured how high the arundo actually gets. I'm guessing 15-18 feet last year. The arundo grows differently than my bamboo (Phyllostachys aureosulcata)... continually growing taller and sending up new shoots all season. The bamboo shoots for only a couple of weeks, and does so at full speed. The bamboo shoots explode to full height in a couple weeks, (that whole fastest-growing-plant-in-the-world thing ) and the only visible growth after that is branching and leafing. This year it was warmer earlier, and the arundo had a head-start over last year, so I expect it to get bigger. I photograph the gardens when I think of it, and have managed to get a reasonable record of the plants's growth over the years, and thru the season. This year we are definately ahead of previous years! Don't neglect to fertilize, lkz51a! |
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| Ian5281, do you harvest the giant reed canes and use the them for anything? |
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| When I was a kid, my grandfather taught us a game involving 3 sticks and 2 people. The two people face each other and hold opposite ends of 1 of the sticks. Then, holding another stick in the other hand, you whack away at your opponent. Whoever lets go of the middle stick first loses. Great fun! Other than that, the sticks are not as durable as bamboo for garden stakes, and I hav'nt an oboe to play, (I am told arundo is the source of oboe reed) so the kids and I just use them for fun. They are are long, straight, sturdy and light, and are ideal for fighting imaginary ninjas, being thrown as javelins, etc. (my 4 year old son does that) I look forward to finding a good use for the canes, because this year I will have a bumper crop! I did cut down all the canes after the freeze did them in last fall, because the previous year I neglected to do so, and the grove was pretty ugly the following spring. The old canes also seemed to make the grove kinda crowded for the new shoots. So, the short answer to your question would be: Yes I harvest them, but don't use them for any practical purpose other than amusement. |
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| In regards to the arundos rate of spread, and the rhizomes...My arundo does not send out long runners like the bamboo. It sends up a new shoot about 6 inches away from another culm every time. Since the arundo sends up new shoots thru the entire season, the patch HAS been steadily expanding. I am trying to fill in a pretty big area, so I have not made any attempts at beating it back at all, but I do know the roots are very tough, and an axe or mattock is useful in dealing with it. I am told that an entire patch of arundo can be controlled just by cutting unwanted shoots, but I have no firsthand experience in that yet. Here is an arundo pic...I could not find one without a kid in it...
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| I measured my giant reed yesterday and it was 4.5 feet tall. It came in a quart size or smaller container and the tallest was about 6 inches tall when I planted it in May. 3 of the canes are around the 4.5 mark and I noticed 3 more canes emerging from the ground, which one seems like a bigger diameter than any of the canes so far. I'll take a picture this fall if its worthy of one. If it doesn't grow 10' this year I may be disapointed. But I understand that plants have to establish a root system. I fertilized it with lawn fertilizer this month, but put very little on. The location I have the reed in is a wet area overtaken by reeds canary grass. This area stays wet always so I am hoping that its rate of spread may be faster than when planted in drier ground. |
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| something ate (or at least tried to, just sort of shredded it) my young Giant reed shoots... it wasn't my dog... rabbits??? it doesnt look all that tasty to me... |
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| I was hoping that giant reed was unpalatable to things. Just as long as the deer don't see it I hope to be alright. Deer can put heavy damage on stuff fast. I have some chickenwire around mine to prevent rabbits from attacking it. They're so cute and I don't hate them, but the overpopulation of them must die. |
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| My arundo is smack in the middle of a major deer thoroughfare, and the many rabbits back there are beyond the reach of my pellet rifle. In fact, the only reason my wife lets me devote such a large area to the arundo is because all other attempts at other plantings in the area were promptly thwarted by hungry varmints. The arundo does not get so much as a nibble. I am thinking Noki suffered an unlucky fluke. Bummer.... :( |
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| My cousins old house had some. It grew at least 18-20 feet tall. I planted some last spring in a bad location. I moved it this spring, and it hasn't done much since. It's bareley 4 feet, while my cousin's is almost 8-10 feet. I have ben using some organic lawn fertilizer to help it along. I'm hoping it's just working on the roots for next year! I did not cut the stalks last fall, that may have also contributed to the slow growth this year. As to the original question, my cousin just planted his and watered it when he felt like it. They don't seem to need much!
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| The Arundo is still growing in PA. The newest shoots are really quite large in diameter!
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| Ian, how tall are they now? I have had some newer bigger culms come up and they are flying. But my oldest culm is still the tallest at 6.5 feet. |
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| Mine are topping out at just over 10 feet right now. It feels taller when you stand next to it, but that is what the tape measure said. The new shoots continue to amaze me, because each new one is larger in diameter than the last. The leaves on the new culms are larger in every dimension compared to the older ones too. I was thinking of making postcards out of the leaves. The growth pattern is curious, in that the new shoots grow very fast, and join the crowd in average height... all the while the whole stand continues to inch towards the sky. |
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| As of now, My arundo donax has hit 8.5 feet in its first year. Yesterday I checked it and noticed another shoot coming up that's bigger than all of the rest so far. Maybe this one will hit 10 ft for me, its already a couple feet tall. How tall is everyone's arundo donax as of August? |
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| Arundo does great in ohio - you don't have anything to worry about just give it plent of water mine is shorter this year then last - maybe from the heat - or maybe because i didn't give it any fert this year they are heavy feeders and that is an easy way to control its height here is my widest clump - I have another clump by my house that gets up to 16-22 feet tall but not this year either. this is probably around 12' high - the rock is around 4.5' tall and you can see a barbie doll on the rock for scale |
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| My arundo measures at just short of 12 feet this evening. The tallest culm is one of the oldest, but in close second place is a gargantuan new culm. The newest ones are fatter, and grow extremely fast, and will soon tower over the rest of the grove. Greenguy, how does feeding affect your arundo? Mine seems to have just gotten a deeper color...Also, your clump of arundo is more dense looking than mine. Have you done anything to control its spread? I have not fertilized since spring... I should get the miracle grow back out....
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| I have been cutting the back off so it doesn't get any deeper which may make it more dense. and the rock on the other side has stopped its growth in that direction - for awhile i thought it was going to push the rock over - i guess it still might. it grows taller with any type of fert i have tried - also the more water you give it the more it grows and both make a pretty big difference imo if you use fert on your lawn just use that - a good dose in spring and they will really take off - i usually hit it when i can see the first sign of a shoot. but this year i didn't give it any. any type of manure mulch in spring will make it grow and spread fast if thats what you are looking for |
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| I was curious how high everybodys Arundo Donax had gotten by now. My tallest culms are some of the newest, and measure a solid 14 feet, and more than 1.5 inches diameter. It's a challenge to get a tape measure to stand up that tall... |
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| Mine is still shooting. The newest ones, also, are fast becoming the tallest. newest shoot is close to 11ft and older shoot may be 12ft. I would guess the thickest shoot is 1 inch. |
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| I also notice sideshoots forming on the thicker culms. |
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| hey.... I did too! I only see them on culms that are flowering... I wonder what's going on? |
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I also noticed the side shoots, and was going to post a question about them. Mine are growing, but not what I expected. ![]() |
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The side shoots came out, but the whole plant has pretty much stopped growing now. The new culms have not grown. What HAS changed is the roots. The roots have bulked up, and some have crammed themselves between culms, pushing them off in screwy angles. Including the flowering part on the top, mine have topped out at just over 15 feet high this year. Should I mulch? |
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| i'm the one who started this thread, and i ended up buying a pot with 2 to 3 foot high stems from a store at the start of July. only found the green form at one store. i gave up on the rhizome. Planted it in early July and the plant sent up a taller culm every few weeks. Got two that flowered, the tallest is close to 11' high, second 9', then a 8', 7', 6'. each one sent up got taller. When i got the two flower heads, the plant stopped sending anything up, then the side shoots broke thru. I wonder what would happen to the side shoots in a warmer climate? |
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| Tops for me was near 14ft, but I never had any flower heads on my arundo donax. Has stopped all growth in October and two weeks ago a freeze burnt sideshoot fresh growth. |
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| I was wondering if anyone was trying to root arundo donax cuttings, I put some in water a couple weeks ago and have noticed one starting to have roots. I'll keep you posted on if they do good. |
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| Holy smokes, lkz5ia! If you got 14 ft your first year, I'm guessing propogating your own stand of Arundo Donax will not be much of a challenge! I'm surprised to report that mine is topping out at 17.5 feet, with most of the culms topping out around 15 feet. The last 2 feet grew very fast, but it's just flowers/seeds...The photo on the right was taken a couple of weeks ago, but you can see how the tallest culms sent up tall flowers, which have since telescoped up even higher. Here are comparison photos from 2002 to this year. My boy is standing next to the same plant in both photos. |
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| nice pics Ian, Hopefully as my grove matures in the next couple years I'll start getting flowers. They even look better with the flower heads. I've also noticed 3 culms sticking an inch out of the ground. I was thinking maybe those will be the first ones shooting up next spring. Not sure if they rot or not. I'm going to be hitting my minigrove with a lot of mulch this winter since its the first winter. As the years go on, I'm assuming it'll mulch its self with the canes and debris. |
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| Ian521 Does this plant naturally stay tightly bunched in a clump like that, or do you have to maintain those clumps to keep it from spreading out? I have one in a pot but I'm afraid to plant it in the ground for fear of it spreading. |
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| Mang, in regards to rate of spread; Ian says this way at the beginning of the post. JUne 26, 2005 "In regards to the arundos rate of spread, and the rhizomes...My arundo does not send out long runners like the bamboo. It sends up a new shoot about 6 inches away from another culm every time. Since the arundo sends up new shoots thru the entire season, the patch HAS been steadily expanding. I am trying to fill in a pretty big area, so I have not made any attempts at beating it back at all, but I do know the roots are very tough, and an axe or mattock is useful in dealing with it. I am told that an entire patch of arundo can be controlled just by cutting unwanted shoots, but I have no firsthand experience in that yet. " |
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| After looking around I am seeing this plant all over the place in peopole's yards, it's quite popular here. Although no one ususes is proper name. The stands I am seeing in yards around here UTAH, are not very big, the biggest I've seen was probably a 10x10 area, this was over 12ft tall. |
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| I've only seen it twice locally now in NW Pennsylvania. In another question, I need an idea for what to do with all the cane! I can only use so many walking sticks... |
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| I don't know how weatherproof Arundo canes are, but I can think of lots of things to do with them, especially if they are as rot resistant as Bamboo. Plant stakes, Tomato cages. trellisses, fencing, etc.. You can easily build all sorts of garden structures with canes and lashing twine. I use tarred seine twine and bamboo to build all of those items I listed. Here's an example, a simple frame supporting a 9' Maximillian Sunflower:
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| I would think they would be useful as short-lived garden stakes. Maybe mulch if they don't contain chemicals that inhibit plant growth. So one of the cuttings has rooted so far. I've potted it up and will keep the thread updated if it lives or does anything. I forgot to take a pic of it before it was potted up. If new above ground growth occurs, I'll post a pic. |
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- Posted by grass_lover z5a IA (My Page) on Wed, Apr 5, 06 at 13:53
| My Donax has four shoots so far. The V. Donax isn't growing - but one of the old cut off canes is bright green so I think it made it. We went through a zone 6 winter. Our lowest temp was -5F. |
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- Posted by deep_roots 5a (My Page) on Fri, Apr 14, 06 at 0:24
| Found local source for Arundo Donax and it's varigated sister. In Zone 5a it is mulched for winter, but still grows 15' to 18' high. Of course that is with some broken down cow poo fertilizer. I've got high heat low moisture, or moderate heat moderate moisture ground. Not sure where to plant it or how much to irrigate it. Any tips for growing it? |
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| This plant really seems to stay in a tight clump. Are there any reports if new canes coming up away from the clump? |
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- Posted by grass_lover z5a IA (My Page) on Fri, Apr 14, 06 at 15:15
| Deep Roots -- I mulched them about 3 inches for winter and am leaving it on for summer. I figure if they can be grown in water I don't have to worry about them rotting. :) And we also seem to go dry in summer. We put in a couple rain barrels last year to help with the plants. Btw V. Donax has 3 shoots now. *g* Mang-- I think they mentioned in one of the posts above that the shoots usually come out about six inches apart at the furthest and that seems to be about right. I'm not too crazy to fertilize it though... think it might get a little too large for where I'd like to keep it!! |
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| I've got three shoots about six inches tall. I'm hoping they get taller!! :) |
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| I've got one shoot that is about 4 inches tall, and a zillion more just hiding in the grass. I noticed that the spring shoots came up farther away from an old culm than they do in summer. I accidentally mowed a few down, not realizing the clump had spread a couple more inches over last year. I've been out there with the fertilizer already... |
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| Saw shoots have poked out of the ground as of now. |
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| Arundo is around 6 feet tall so far this year, and most of the culms are pretty near the maximum diameter that they reached last year. How is everyone elses arundo doing? |
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| I've got one about 6.5', two more about 6'. Planted last year, moved in mid April after they came up. |
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| Luck would have it that I have resurfaced a little late for this resurfaced thread. Ian, how tall is the yellowgroove this year? |
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| I like your picture, lkz5ia! I thought that was a person next to the arundo in your other photo. It looks like you have your arundo in a remote location. You should move it close to the house where it can get more love. My yellow groove is going crazy. See my post in another thread. I took pictures of the early shoots of my bamboo for the past 3 years...its growing exponentially. http://forums.gardenweb.com/forums/load/bamboo/msg052048409594.html |
Here is a link that might be useful: Bamboo thread
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- Posted by alchemilla 9 (My Page) on Fri, Jul 14, 06 at 5:44
| Hi there! About the use of canes, I'm from Italy and here Arundo Donax are largely widespread as wild plants (so nobody put them in their garden :-). We use them dried to grow tomatoes, cucumbers, peas, beans and other climbing vegetables and in the vineyards too. But they're also suitable for climbing flowers such as nasturtiums, sweet peas or ipomeas. Some people also use them to build fences. Here's a picture of tomatoes growing over Ardundo canes in my garden. |
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| Mine is starting to send up "super" sprouts, much thicker and faster growing. Last year (the first year) it did the same thing at the end of July- start of August... these ended up the tallest and two grew plumes... so is this the way it grows? it sends up the stalks this time of year that will end up with inflourences, after starting the first half of the year with non- flopwering stalks? for some reason this pic refuses to rotate vertically, must be too large to start with |
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| You are seeing the same thing I have seen, Noki. The new shoots can be called super shoots, because they are so much bigger and grow so much faster than the rest! I can't say for sure if the newer shoots are the ones that flower or not... I've had a ton of them last year that flowered, and I dont think they were all the newer shoots. I can see how this plant would be very invasive in areas where the winter does not kill it back so much. This time of year it really gathers momentum, and grows like crazy...think what it would do if it could grow year round.. .it would take over the planet! |
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| So first the deer, now the rabbits ate out a 'super' shoot. Those two species can keep a small arundo clump on its toes. |
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| Not sure what the difference is, but my arundo is a full foot taller than it was this time last year. |
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- Posted by alchemilla 9a Italy (My Page) on Fri, Dec 1, 06 at 14:50
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| alchemilla, how tall is it where you live? |
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- Posted by alchemilla 9a Italy (My Page) on Wed, Jan 10, 07 at 7:46
| I don't know, but it's flat plain so I suppose just a few meters above the sea level. |
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- Posted by alchemilla 9a Italy (My Page) on Thu, Jan 11, 07 at 4:44
| :-O Ops, sorry! My grasp of English leave much to desire.. :-D :-D AD can get very very tall here. I don't exactely know how much, but at least as tall as a two-storeys house. A real monster in practice. However consider that it only reaches that incredible height in untended areas. People usually cut Arundo donax before it can get so tall, so its average height is about 10'-12'. |
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- Posted by achnatherum z5 Ontario (My Page) on Thu, Jan 11, 07 at 9:55
| alchemilla, If left untended does Arundo donax stay green all year round in Italy? I'll bet the stems are much stronger in plants that can grow for longer than one season. I love the shape of the clumps in your first picture! |
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- Posted by alchemilla 9a Italy (My Page) on Sat, Jan 13, 07 at 5:34
| No, AD turn brown in winter here as well. You can see the beginning of this browning process in the last picture. The pics above were taken in late November, now AD are completely brown. However the majority of them won't die; new green leaves will grow again over the stems in spring. Yes you're right, the stems are much stronger and large (both in diameter and height) in plants that can grow for longer than one season, but they never become as large as the bamboo stems can do. ciao A.! |
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| I have Arundo Donax variegated. The people that gave it to me said it was bamboo and I can see how they'd think that looking at the height and the way it branches. Mine peaks out at around 15 - 20'. I don't fertilize it...don't even water it unless it's incredibly dry. A friend harvests it and threads the stalks through cyclone fencing for privacy around his farm house. I'm certain there are many uses for it but I don't think it will ever be an effective substitute for bamboo. |
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| Hey! I hate to be a fun killer, but I just had to make a public service announcement here. I saw this page on google while looking for pictures of this plant. Unfortunately, this is a horrible, horrible weed in California, where it is invading crees and rivers. It crowds out native species and it grows so densely in rivers that it aggrivates floods and fires. During the floods of 2005 this plant was responsible for several bridges being destroyed in San Diego County. It was also a large reason that some of the wildfires of 2003 were so severe. Creekside areas usually stop the spread of fires but when this plant gets in there and dies, it makes the creeks burn like a fuse. Also, it grows so voraciously that it can actually dry up creeks in the summer. The effect is similar to Tamarisk which causes similar problems in the Desert Southwest. Millions of dollars a year are spent trying to get rid of this plant and millions of dollars more in damages are caused by it annually. One of the main elements of restoration jobs i work on for a living involve removing this plant So, if you live in western North America, especially in mild-winter areas, PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE do not plant this. It is horrible - far worse than Kudzu in the Southeast. I don't really recommend it in the eastern US either. If you live in Italy, where it has natural predators and is a part of the ecosystem, this is another story. In fact, it was neat seeing pictures of the plant in its natural habitat. Its growth form is a bit different, which is not surprising because most of the California plants are believed to be part of a single clone. for more info please see this page Happy gardening! |
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| Good to point out the problems this grass poses to certain areas. I'd like to add, for those who might jump to conclusions, that Arundo donax is a sterile or near sterile grass. It spreads by rhizomes, especially in wetland areas. Its invasive nature is location dependant, like most cases of invasive plants. While in certain areas it causes serious problems, it can be a very useful grass in other areas, both commercially and for ornamental value. |
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