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vital wheat gluten

Posted by jwangelin WNY (My Page) on
Sat, Feb 6, 10 at 22:24

Not sure if this is the correct forum. We have been baking our our sandwich bread for 6 months now. At a bulk store I saw a small bag of vital wheat gluten and did a little online research. It seems to be a good product. Has anyone else used this? How were your results? What recipe adjustments do you make.
Thanks in advance
Jon


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RE: vital wheat gluten

Vital wheat gluten is called for in almost all the recipes in Healthy Artisan Bread in 5 Minutes a Day cookbook, the second from the two authors, after the huge success of their first one, Artisan Bread in 5 Minutes a Day. King Arthur Flour sells VWG, which is where I buy mine, and it apparently helps all bread rise better, and is essential in all whole grain flour breads. Great stuff.


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RE: vital wheat gluten

  • Posted by dian57 M-H Valley NY-5 (My Page) on
    Sun, Feb 7, 10 at 9:40

How interesting that just a few days ago I came across an entry in the Preparednesspro.com blog that describes "wheat meat" using vital wheat gluten.

Anyone care to try it and report back?

"I took about 3 cups of vital wheat gluten, added a dash of salt, pepper, and nutritional yeast. Then I added a wonderful, restaurant quality beef bullion (with NO MSG) and a little bit of the restaurant quality onion seasoning—always void of MSG or hydrogenated oils (see www.fivestarpreparedness.com for these products) I mixed up the dry ingredients, then added about a cup and a half of water, mixed it by hand until I had formed a glutinous mass, and then baked it in the oven for 25 minutes at 350 degrees. I then put the wheat meat in the food processor to make it more resemble ground beef, and then used it in one of my favorite recipes in which "ground beef" is supposed to be the star of the dish."

Here is a link that might be useful: PreparednessPro.com


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RE: vital wheat gluten

You can buy organic wheat gluten at Vitamin Cottage for a fraction of the price that KAF charges. I use it to make a "dough improver" that works great when I bake whole grain breads. The very simple recipe is at the link given. :)

Here is a link that might be useful: Dough Enhancer


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RE: vital wheat gluten

Dian57, here are my notes/instructions on making it that I had posted on another site. It is for 'wheat meat' 'seitan' or 'wheat gluten' as they are called interchangeably. I make it regularly.

HOW TO MAKE SEITAN

Using Vital gluten flour. I have made it with regular better for
bread flour, but it is a lot more work, even too much for me.....but
since they came out with the pure gluten flour I have been making
seitan pretty regularly. Everybody around here likes it a lot, even
more than tofu. Health food stores sell this flour, some upscale
supermarkets, and also stores that sell products in bulk.

It helps if you have made bread by hand before....

Take a big bowl (I use stainless steel). Put a bunch of gluten flour
on it. Put a little salt in it (1/2 tsp per cup of flour is what I
use) and mix well. Now get another person to pour water and very
quickly knead it like bread until all the gluten is moistened. You
have to work quickly, and the water pourer needs to be in synch with
you, more water, stop, more water, etc....

If you do not have another person to help, you can start with the
water and add gluten to it, this works too. Remember, knead it
quickly to get all gluten moistened. Your hands will get sticky and
messy, this is why a helper is nice....

If the dough has dark striations that is not so good, it means some of
the gluten did not get enough contact with water. This is why you
want to use enough water and knead. Keep kneading until all the water
is absorbed. Honestly, the first time you do it might not work 100%,
it does take a couple of trial and error sessions. If the gluten is
too tough you can always grind it up and use it as a ground up meat
substitute, so nothing is wasted. I did sausage (posted here) with a
batch that was too tough because it did not get enough water.

In any case, it should be a firm but not too hard dough. It will be
hard to knead, harder than bread.

So now you have a big lump of a dough and you are tired of kneading
it....Cut it up wiht a sharp knife into chunks the size you want, but
remember, they will double in size (at least double).

Prepare a veggie broth. Last one I used a big (turkey? roast?) oval
pan, black enamel with a cover that goes in the oven. I added:
water, bay leaves, peppercorn, celery stalks, hot peppers (optional of
course), shitake dried mushrooms, cilantro, powdered veggie broth,
chopped onion, garlic cloves sliced it two, taste and see if it needs
salt. Some people add ginger too, carrots can also go in.

Bake in broth (all the pieces should be covered) for about 3 hours at
350F. The gluten/seitan chunks should have grown and they are now
overflowing the pan. Just turn them around so they are moist.

Now it can be used in any recipe that calls for seitan. I freeze most
of it (squeeze some of the broth out if too wet), it does freeze very
well, no change in taste or texture.

Have fun with it!'

You can also do this stove top by the way, I do prefer baking but both will work.

One of my favorite things to do with this is make chimichurri from the garden herbs, marinate seitan in it and grill. They will work well marinated in many other things, and grilling is my favorite way to have seitan.

Adding gluten flour to regular flour will increase its capability to add more to the expandable gluten network, that you made when you knead your dough. Sometimes other (non-wheat) flours cause a problem with this (not enough gluten so they are lumpy and hard, dense) so you can just use other flours you might have (rye, oats, quinoa, rice, corn...) and add gluten for the network that will rise and puff up. Will not work on gluten free diets, of course.


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RE: vital wheat gluten

Add VWG to breads at a ratio of 1 tablespoon per loaf. Generally that's not enough to require any changes to the recipe. (The amount of liquid you add is already going to vary depending upon such factors as humidity and age and condition of the flour.)

I never use VWG in plain white flour loaves. The extra protein just isn't necessary.

But it is very helpful in heavier whole-grain loaves, especially with low-protein flours like rye and oatmeal. It's also helpful in loaves with lots of amendments that inhibit the rise like cheese, raisins, nuts, etc.

Carol


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RE: vital wheat gluten

I use it in all my bread baking, it gives the loaves a nicer, softer texture. I use 1 tsp for each cup of flour. It will be really good in your sandwich bread recipe.

You might want to hang out on the Cooking Forum, there's lots of bread baking over there.


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RE: vital wheat gluten

I started using it after reading about it here it drfinatly gives more rise and more of a store bought texture even to bread flour I also started mixing half bread flour and whole wheat flour then use a couple tbs in my bread machine I really like the way it turns out

You can get it at Sam's pretty reasonable and bread flour to is a lot cheaper there


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RE: vital wheat gluten

jonas, I get my yeast at Sam's Club in 2 pound packages. I open one package (which contains one pound) and put it in the refrigerator in a quart cannng jar. The other goes in the freezer where it will stay good nearly forever.

I bake all my own bread and so I go through yeast relatively quickly, I've never had any "die".

As for vital wheat gluten, it does have a place in my bread baking, but like Readinglady, I only use it for whole grain loaves as those flours sometimes benefit from the "help" of additional gluten.

Annie


 
 

 

 


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