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Posted by MNature z8a (My Page) on Tue, Apr 8, 03 at 20:21
| I have hellebore hybrids that bloom in January. I have read some hellebore varieties bloom in the fall. Is this true in your experience? If so what are they? |
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You can stop laughing now![img]http://images.bravenet.com/brpics/smilie/2_smile.gif[/img] When I asked Eric Hammond, head propagator Heronswood Nursery if there is a fall blooming hellebore, he emailed: There isn't; sometimes a H. x hybridus will bloom through the summer but this is very unreliable. |
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I guess it might happen in some climatically different regions, that Helleborus x hybridus starts flowering already in autumn. It has happened to me several times, mostly after cold summers. Obviously the Hellebores thought that it was a mild winter and started blooming in October. Can't blame them for their confusion, sometimes there's very little difference in between summer and winter here. The same, depending on the season's temperatures, also Helleborus niger has flowered here all through summer. |
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Thanks for your response, Susanne. I am going to collect different varieties to extend the season. I forgot to tell you in my email: I have a niece living in England now who will be living in Germany soon. Her last email said she had 20 days to move there. |
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- Posted by MorZ8 Z8 Wa coast (My Page) on
Sat, Apr 12, 03 at 14:54
| MNature, I wasn't laughing, just wondering if you would find h. foetidus Sienna too common for your garden, or if it would bloom in the same sequence in your Z8. This was my first hellebore and I at least still enjoy it....it begins blooming in October, is in full bloom Thanksgiving, and is still performing nicely this week in a very exposed location on the SW side of my house. Which means it has endured several coastal storms with gusts of up to 60 mph....fairly remarkable for those heavy stalks of flowers. |
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MorZ8, I am so glad to hear this. Are you kidding? Nothing is too common for my garden. I have wildflowers in my garden many would consider weeds. Would you like to exchange Hellebore seeds? I can see the seed capsules, although few, are swelling. I'm watching them carefully in order to gather seeds. I just started with Hellebores last year. |
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- Posted by MorZ8 Z8 Wa coast (My Page) on
Sun, Apr 13, 03 at 13:55
| I'd be happy to save some seeds for you, if you can give me the tips on gathering them....I've just let this one self seed and lifted the seedlings for neighbors and friends in the past! |
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This was Mary's (goswimmin) suggestion to me by e-mail: Hellebore seeds are not ready till they are black. If you see that is happening you can cut off the flowers and put them into a bag and shake it every day till they are all out of the shells. Dry them well before you send them to anyone. I wonder if it's permissible to send seedlings through the mail in a plastic baggie in a box? |
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- Posted by jkom51 Z9 CA/Sunset 17 (My Page) on
Sat, Jul 12, 03 at 0:44
| I just started gardening last year and have 3 H.orientalis and one H.foetidus. Our mild climate in coastal Northern CA seems to throw many plants 'out of whack'. All the hellebores started blooming in November/December. It's now July and they still haven't stopped opening more flowers! I'm pretty impressed, to say the least. The H. foetidus has grown from a 1-qt pot size in January to a 3x3' beastie that's battling for space with a 5-yr old dwarf rhododendron. I may have to cut it back before it really gets out of hand. |
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Hey Jean, Wow! I wish I could see that. I know you would put up a photo if you could. Guess what? My Middle name is Jean |
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- Posted by jkom51 Z9 CA/Sunset 17 (My Page) on
Tue, Aug 5, 03 at 18:50
| Sorry I hadn't got back to you with the pix of my summer-blooming hellebore, but have finally posted two photos on my Yahoo photo album. The link below leads to a photo of how the H.foetidus looks today, eight months after planting from a 1-qt size. If you click on 'previous' you'll see a close-up of the flower spike. I wonder what it will do next year?? Crazy! |
Here is a link that might be useful: H. foetidus blooming in Aug 2003
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| Thanks, jkom51. Also enjoyed your very interesting slideshow photos. |
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| Hello all , My interest goes to H.xhybridus . Up to now I could not find a good explanation why some H.hybridus reflower . Over here , a soft zone 8 , the hel's start flowering in December and go on until March . This must be the normal blooming period , but they may keep their flowers for a longer time . Some plants flower ( make new buds ) out of this period . I could not find information about this reblooming capacity as it is sometimes the case with other garden plants who are crosses between late and early bloomers or even sports ( ex Roses ) . As I could observe H.hybr that rebloom in my garden ; It are the plants with paler colored flowers that rebloom and they are greening , ( I have only a small number of darks ) , the WHY question popped up . Up to now I can give following observation : - repotted young plants rebloom more than others . So until now I come to the conclusion that they do so because they have been stressed . Repotting , too much water and/or fertilizer after a dry period , changes in the quantity of shadow , disturbing the roots or soil etc . I hope one day the Hel's can tell it to us . I could take a nice Pic end July of a White flowering Hel who was disturbed by a black mole . The Hel must have six years , not so young , and the flowers are acceptable white for the period of the year . ( see my website ) Johan |
Here is a link that might be useful: fynwerk
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- Posted by MorZ8 Z8 Wa coast (My Page) on
Sat, Aug 16, 03 at 15:00
| Hi johandk...I enjoyed your photos; one of these days I'm going to have to invest in a good camera, but think I will find myself replacing this computer first....another story. My h. foetidus Sienna is my oldest helleborus, having been in place several years now. I don't fertilize but mulch with compost every Spring, sometimes repeating in Fall. All my perennial beds get supplemental water by drip irrigation during dry periods, but this is a wet part of the country....winter wet, Fall wet, this year a wet Spring....we also have a strong ocean influence. My plant begins blooming in October, is lovely at Thanksgiving late November, and was still pretty when I finally was able to gather some ripe seed from the many pods in July. When gathering the seeds, I found new flowers with the red tips just opening, but had to cut the plant back to make room for the other summer blooming perennials. It's lovely, but I hadn't planned on it being the main presence in that bed 12 months out of the year and wanted to enjoy some of it's neighbors too.... Attached is a link to Ruth, which to my untrained eye is much the same as my plant....I, at least, wouldn't be able to tell them apart...Heronswood wasn't offering Sienna this year so I didn't have a picture to paste of it..... |
Here is a link that might be useful: h. foetidus Ruth
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Hello all , hello Morz8 I am not a specialist , but by reading your mail , I think it must be possible to find an answer . Some plants reflower if you cut the flowerstalks . A good example is Chrysanthemum Maximum who gives a second crop when winter is not too early . They rebloom out of their normal period . With all chrysanthemum you can do strange things by cutting and pruning them , it is possible to change the shape and/or even the number of flowers . Another example is hosta , by cutting the flowerstalks you can get later blooms and this is very useful when you want to make crosses whit late bloomers . For this moment I have only three kind of H.foetidus ; recently one collected from seed in Italy and one from Belgium , the third I bought "unlabeled" for 2 Euro ( approx. 2 $ ) and resembles H.Sienna . Now I am waiting the moment that they all flower , so I can put some Pics on my website . At least , I do not know if it is good to cut the foetidus . In general this plants are short living , I know it by experience . In my first garden I lost my Spanish specimen after three years . |
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- Posted by MorZ8 Z8 Wa coast (My Page) on
Sat, Aug 16, 03 at 22:02
| The suggestion from an article I saved by Dan Hinkley (Heronswood, where I purchased my plant) was that foetidus is not as sensitive to the lower soil PH, but I do try to sweeten our naturally acidic soil by burying sticks of blackboard chalk near the plant. He also recommended cutting back the stalks that have finished flowering to allow for the growth of those emerging for the next season's flowering. I'm not sure when exactly that is, I had ripe seed pods, newly opening flowers, and some very crowded low young stems at the base tying to make their way all at the same time. This is a very vigorous plant....now if the hybrids I've added will just do as well.... |
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| Hello all A small correction . The question was WHY some plants make blooms out of their normal period . The same question is why they make seed out of the period ( to survive ) . My answer is that they have been stressed by ..... a lot of possibilities . Everybody may correct the word " stress " that I used . I did not say that the gardener did something wrong . Sometimes the gardener can use the stressfactor to his own benifit . Some plants give more flowers if they survive in too small pots ( some exotic orchids ) Other plants do this if you give them no water in winter and too much water at once end March ( some cactus ) Try it and you'll see the difference . Johan |
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- Posted by jkom51 Z9 CA/Sunset 17 (My Page) on
Tue, Sep 9, 03 at 14:53
| Johan, I think your comments about stress are intriguing -- my H. foetidus has put up even a bigger flower stalk, so now we're on nine months of bloom. This plant is crowded in by not only the dwarf rhodie and big bearded iris, but also a hydrangea macrophylla and three different groundcover plants as well. Maybe it feels it's 'fighting for its life' so this is keeping it blooming? It is pretty caged in where it's sited. For whatever reason, it's great for my flower bed! |
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