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Growing fennel near other plants...

Posted by catman529 6b (My Page) on
Tue, Apr 28, 09 at 18:03

I would post this in the Companion Plants forum, but that doesn't seem to get much traffic - there is a large pile-up of unanswered threads in that forum.

I am really wanting to grow fennel, but I don't have an isolated spot to grow it in. I've heard that it's a terrible companion plant for just about any other plant.

Right now, I have my fennel seeds sprouting in a pot. I plan to keep this pot in the garden with all of my other plants (stevia, parsley, beets, tomato, basil).

I will grow as many fennel plants as I can in this container; some will be harvested for the bulbs and some will be left to set seed. I will keep them far away from dill and other related species during flowering.

As for the negative effects on other plants - will the container prevent that from happening?


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RE: Growing fennel near other plants...

Fennel is allelopathic to most garden plants, inhibiting growth, causing to bolt, or actually killing many plants. Like black walnut or elder, it produces some chemical or other which does bad things to its neighbours.

Although it causes coriander to bolt, the coriander does help to prevent fennel from becoming too much of a weed. It depends which one you want to sacrifice, I guess!

It will cross-pollinate with dill, resulting in a horrible-tasting plant.

I think fennel will be OK if grown in a pot, but you'll need to be vigilant to stop it from going to seed (a pity if you want those seeds!) - those seeds can travel far and wide, making it a very invasive plant indeed.

Here is a link that might be useful: allelopathic plants


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RE: Growing fennel near other plants...

Thanks for the info.

I've read about coriander (cilantro) and how it helps suppress fennel...I will be growing some cilantro as well, probably in between the tomatoes.

I'd like to see what a dill x fennel plant would taste like (just out of curiosity) but I probably won't bother with that. ;)

I will bag the blossoms when they go to seed, so the seeds don't spread all over the place. I do want to save some seeds for eating and planting next year (I have heard the seeds are good for chewing on).

I love the smell and flavor of anise, so fennel is one plant I don't want to pass up. I'll keep it in the pot and will bag the blossoms when they set seed.


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RE: Growing fennel near other plants...

Cilantro will not do well in heat and bright sun, which is fine for tomatoes. Cilantro is grown in mostly shade and cooler temps. Pluck off the seed head sprays (in flower stage) like ones that form similar to the ones on dill.


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RE: Growing fennel near other plants...

Just curious, but what other plants are allelopathic that I should know about? I know about black walnut but I never heard of fennel being such.

So many tricks up the horticultural sleeve....


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RE: Growing fennel near other plants...

There are many allelopathic plants, a lot of them trees. Below are some websites which mention some (also see the link in my earlier post). Others not included in the lists are sunflower, barley, rye, sorghum, wheat, lantana, some brassicas, radishes, some clovers, fescues, knapweed, sorghum, wormwood, mugort and other artemisias, oleander, elder.

http://desertwaterwisegardens.suite101.com/article.cfm/allelopathic_plants_loner_plants

http://www.sustland.umn.edu/implement/trees_turf.html


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RE: Growing fennel near other plants...

I didn't know about fennel being allelopathic. Never thought about it. I had it in a garden near sage, oregano, lemon balm, chives, and handful of other herbs with no noticeable negative effect on the other herbs. But then those other herbs are survivors. I suppose if it was next to the green beans or squash I would have noticed.

FataMorgana


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RE: Growing fennel near other plants...

Cilantro will not do well in heat and bright sun, which is fine for tomatoes. Cilantro is grown in mostly shade and cooler temps. Pluck off the seed head sprays (in flower stage) like ones that form similar to the ones on dill.

That's why I'll be planting it between the tomatoes, where they will be shaded. The tomatoes are planted close together so they'll shade out the cilantro in no time.


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RE: Growing fennel near other plants...

I have heard this about fennel before on these forums but have never witnessed it in my own garden. If you have Florence fennel (for bulbs) it might be ok in a pot but the herb fennel has a long tap root and might not be happy confined. In my own experience fennel has no effect on oregano, aquilegia, hardy geraniums and a host of other perennials which it intermingles with in my garden. I have several large clumps of self seeded bronze fennel in my vegetable garden and it has no visible impact on lettuce, favas, broccoli, arugula or chard all of which I have sown within a few inches of the fennel plants. I can't comment on dill or cilantro because I cannot successfully grow them anywhere in my garden irespective of where the fennel is. I think the soil is too heavy and the light levels and temps too low.


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RE: Growing fennel near other plants...

I'm growing Florence fennel, and the bulbs will probably get pretty tight packed in the pot. I will pick out some of the bulbs when they are big enough, and let the remaining plants go to seed.

I might pick up a couple bronze fennel plants I saw at a local nursery...I've heard Florence fennel doesn't have as much flavor as the herb fennel...I like the good anise flavor (has got to be one of my favorites) and I don't want something that's too weak.

Should I get some bronze fennel as well for stronger-flavored plants? I could grow it in a separate container of course.


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RE: Growing fennel near other plants...

small plants , due to their small roots, cannot be fatal allelopathic ,say, like Black Wlanut that seats in one spot for decades and affects the soil even beyond its canapy.
ONE more thing. If you plant fennels in an area, leave some buffer zone around it, such that their roots cannot go beyond that.I would say 6-8 inchs should be enough. I do not think that they can affect neighboring plants by other than through root system.
I am growing some from seeds right now and I will follow my own advice(hehe). I had never before planed fennel and did not now about being allelopathic. But I know black walnut very well.


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RE: Growing fennel near other plants...

Speaking of black walnut, I was digging the first hole in my garden in which I planted a tomato....and at the bottom of the hole, I found a sprouting walnut. I brought a lot of them home last year to try and cure them (didn't work)...thanks to the squirrels for incorporating them into my garden.


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I have bronze fennell planted in three places. Under a pine tree and I never water it. It comes back every year for four years now. In a slightly shaded area along with other herbs and in a butterfly garden. The caterpillars will eat it right to the ground - but it always comes back. It has not been invasive or hampered the growth of the plants around it. I Love it.


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RE: Growing fennel near other plants...

It grows fine next to Penny Royal and knockout roses. It crosses freely with Dill and makes a foul smelling hybrid. It is not invasive. I disagree with the person about cilantro growing in cooler temps. It grows well here in Louisiana and we have quite warm spring days. Plant basil to improve the taste of your tomatoes.


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RE: Growing fennel near other plants...

Aargh. Another myth gets retold. This is my pet herb myth of the moment since dill is herb of the year for 2010.

Dill and fennel DO NOT cross pollinate. They aren't even that closely related (at the family level only). They are no more likely to cross with each other than with other members of the Apiacea (Umbelliferae) family such as parsley or anise. The passing morphological similarities don't make them more likely to cross. Cross pollination between genera is extremely rare. I know some botanists that would be extremely excited to be able to catalog a Foeniculum (fennel) and Anethum (dill) hybrid as there are no examples in any of the literature.

Even if they did cross and did produce viable seed, it would be the offspring that would be affected, not the original plants.

Fennel (Foeniculum vulgare) is on the invasives list mostly because it is not native and out competes some native plants in certain areas. It doesn't necessarily have anything to do with its performance in the garden, which in most cases is also full of non-native plants. But it can reseed with abandon and become "invasive" in that sense as well.
Do a google search for "invasive plants fennel".

Certain plant produced chemicals have been shown to be allelopathic but just because a plant produces that chemical doesn't mean that the plant itself is allelopathic. It may not produce enough or the chemical may not even leave the plant. This is a relatively new science that is not yet fully understood. Many of the studies that have "proven" allelopathy have been seriously flawed. Trying to create an experiment outside the laboratory that controls for all the other possible explanations for nearby plants being affected has proven to be very difficult.

F. DeBaggio


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RE: Growing fennel near other plants...

I have had huge fennel plant growing for years in a flower bed because of the pretty 'air-y' look when it is growing. I do cut off the flower seed heads so don't have much of a problem with volunteers x the seed heads I miss & have not noticed it hampering the growth of any of the flowers in the same bed. The dill is in a far off garden so hadn't noticed the two crossing either.


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