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Posted by hostahillbilly 4b (My Page) on Fri, Jan 29, 10 at 20:02
| H. 'Beauty Queen' (single quotes courtesy Dr. Pollock), RP (Registration Pending):
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| Wow! Congratulations!! Very fitting name. |
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| Love it!!! Do you know the parentage? |
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| It's a sport of H. 'Dorothy'. |
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| Beautiful plant, however it is interesting that it looks virtually identical to Hosta 'Guardian Angel' (growing in a northern garden). Then looking at the pictures of 'Dorothy' in the hosta library there appear to be two plants shown - the first two pictures show a dark green leaf plant with a fortunei background while the last two plants show a big blue hosta that looks just like Blue Angel. Makes me think Dorothy could be mislabeled in some gardens? |
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| Ah, yes, it does, at first blush, look so similar to H. 'Guardian Angel', uh huh. As to the H. 'Dorothy' v. H. 'Blue Angel' possible mix-up, the 'Dorothy' these sported from was from Q and Z and if Mr. Zilis is shipping mis-labeled plants, God help us all ;-) Also, the plant size, leaf size and vein pair count are all different. Yeah, I'm easily agreeable that too-similar Hostas are a problem. We've trialed it in a few other gardens and it shows so much less tendancy to go green as H. 'Guardian Angel' has a reputation for. Only time will tell, of course. If it fails, it won't be the first, but it sure looks to be worth following, eh? hh |
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| To foster discussion, here's a comparison of H. 'Beauty Queen', our sport of H. 'Dorothy' with another 'Dorothy' sport found on HL: 
The photography is way different, so comparison is difficult. Natalie is as yet NR, so who knows what will transpire here. This Hosta stuff is so fun, eh? hh |
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| Is Mr. Zilis shipping mislabeled plants? Wouldn't be the first time that plants went into TC that were incorrect, by not only Q & Z but other TC labs as well. I could put together a pretty good list of TC lab screw ups over the years :( Basically all I'm saying is that Dorothy is supposed to be a fortunei plant, and the first two pictures in the Hosta Library indeed look that way - the last ones not. These sports just don't show me any resemblance to plants with fortunei genes to me, so I do believe there was a mixup somewhere. Guardian Angel varies greatly from plant to plant and garden to garden. And these appear to be young sports, so I'm just suggesting a little more observation and comparison of them. |
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| I can confirm that these plants are not Guardian Angel...the plants we have are 10+ years old...then do not reach even near the size of Guardian Angel...perhaps there was a mix up in the tc lab and they were not from Dorothy but the other plants I recieved were Blue Dorothy's as advertised by Q & Z...I have a lovely large Blue Dorothy growing in my garden now...that came in the same bunch...Even if it's not Dorothy...whatever it is it was blue and then later sported...not all aports are the same...even if this did come from Blue Angel per possibility...look at all the sports from Striptease...yes many are similiar but still considered different plants....Bevie |
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| Due to blood pressure issues I hereby bow out of this discussion. I agree that 'too similar' hosta introductions are diluting the 'fun' about hosta. As previously mentioned, and such Hosta biggies as Mary Chastain has written, it shore takes a lotta years to sort all of this out. g'nite, hh color me gone |
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| Hi Bevie and Hubby, Sorry that I upset you. I do think there was a mixup somewhere. Clearly this is a sport that you found, I just didn't think it could be from Hosta 'Dorothy' so I was only questioning the parentage. I haven't heard of a Hosta 'Blue Dorothy' before. If you have a copy of Mark's Hostapedia take a look at his listing for Hosta 'Natalie'. I just looked it up and he suggests it is probably a sport of Hosta 'Blue Angel' or another big blue sieboldiana type. Later, Chris |
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A very fine plant, hostahillbilly. Congratulations!
You wrote, "... if Mr. Zilis is shipping mis-labeled plants, God help us all."
Take a look at hosta 'Great River Sonata' which was registered and introduced by Mark Zilis in 2004. In The Hostapedia the author writes, "This plant represents an embarrassing mistake from my nursery. In the mid-1990's, we found a white-margined plant in a flat of 96 'Moonlight Sonata' liners in our greenhouse. After carefully nurturing it for a few years, we began to propagate it by tissure culture. When the Dubuque Regional Hosta Society needed a plant for their upcoming MRHS convention (in 2004), we offerred them a choice of eight different sports and they selected the white-edged plant that we had found in the 'Moonlight Sonata'. This plant was distributed to all attendees of the 2004 MRHS meeting as 'Great River Sonata'. About a year later, it became apparent to me and a few other hosta collectors that 'Great River Sonata' was not a sport of 'Moonlight Sonata', but 'Sagae' itself. Mea culpa!!" (page 382)
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| Ya, even Mr. Schmid and Mr. Zilis don't agree 100% (but not very many variances). Anyway, you know what the baby bib says: "Spit Happens". Keeping it fun, hh |
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| Chris...there could definately be a mix up in which plant my "Dorothy" is...she does resemble Blue Angel...which means that our "Beauty Queen" could be a sport of Blue Angel (although I haven't counted veins yet)...and if so that's fine...we just think she is gorgeous...even if she is much smaller than Guardian Angel...when I registered her I did so with all the information I had...so she is registered as a sport of Dorothy...but whatever her parentage is...she's still a beautiful plant and that's what we are please about...Sorry if I sounded grumpy...I needed to get to bed as I had to be up by 5 AM....:o) Bevie |
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| It's a beauty -- aptly named. Whatever its parentage, I hope it will be available to amateur suburban gardeners like me, some day. :-) |
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| Chris, Bevie and me are trying to think of a way you could dump your wonderful place on your partner to let you or him to come visit us. It would be such a learning experience for both you two and us. Stop, think, could we figure a way to do this. We have a cupla unused rooms with beds, ya think? Twood be an honor for us, and we could work out a 'non-disclosure' agreement, ; - ) hh |
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Hostahillbilly,
I am curious if Beauty Queen holds its beautiful color all season long? |
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| Yes! That is one of the reasons we find it worthwhile to register. It's been in gardens in a few other states with the same results, no reversion to greener as the season progresses. As Mary Chastain has written, it takes decades to really know, and this one is only at the end of it's first decade, but every once in a while some 'little people' like us stumble across a fun, good one. If not, there will be others, huh? hh |
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| She is definitely a beauty-would love to have her in my garden! Congrats, hh. |
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