Bottom looks a lot like Saege.

I agree, one Liberty and one Sagae.

-Babka

Liberty is a sport of Sagae so the bottom one may not be mislabeled as Babka and ogrefcf suggest. We've seen lots of variation in the size of the white edge on Liberty in pics posted here. On the other hand, if the edge on the bottom one stays that size, I'd wonder if you've had a Liberty that reverted to Sagae. N

Re. how much sun is right for Liberty?

On a related topic, how much sun are you giving Liberty? Mine gets about 5 hours of morning sun. I noticed the yellow edge has bleached to a very pale yellow.

There's a post on Hallsons discussing margins. Chris said earlier there were some bad TC where the margins stayed really small.

I have both of mine in about 6 hours of sun and they are growing well and looking great!

Here is a link that might be useful: Post on thin margins

Thanks everyone for your feedback on the Liberty featured in the lower photo. I have had the same concerns as you have and have looked at alot of photos of Liberty. When I questioned about the authenticity of it where I got it from they assured me that it was H. Liberty but to satisfy me they gave me another at no cost. That other no cost H. Liberty is featured in the top photo. I have purchased two more very young H. Liberty's this year and they both have wide margins already.

~ Gary

This was not a problem I was aware of. I bought 2 Liberty this year and am happy to say they both have wide margins. Good knowledge.

Got two Sagaes and one Liberty this week, and I was not aware of their family connection. I will be sure to keep an eye on the Liberty.