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minuteman vs patriot

Posted by nucci60 6 Ma. (My Page) on
Sat, Jul 23, 11 at 10:33

Does one have wider white margins? Can't tell the difference in pictures. They look identical.


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No, they're similar, but not identical. Minutemnan has a darker green center, which creates a more distinct contrast with the white margin...a better plant IMO.


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They are so identical,at least to me,to even compare,in my opinion. I have both,and they still look like the same plant. Phil


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My Patriot and Minuteman weren't growing well where I had them originally, so I moved them into this temporary bed until I can figure out where I want them.

Patriot is on the left and Minuteman is on the right. I can't tell them apart.

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I can't tell them apart, either. I used to think Minuteman was a better grower, but then I moved Patriot to a new location, and it has flourished. And I still can't tell them apart.


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Wow that's interesting. only one member can tell the difference. Thanks everyone for your imput.


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I agree with don r. I think you need mature plants to tell the difference, but even then, the differences are subtle. Here, for comparison, are Independence, Minuteman, and Patriot, all over five years old.

Independence 2011

Minuteman 2011

Patriot 2011
Steve


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I love the look of both patriot and minutemen! I am new to hostas and have cone across some minutemen bareroots. How much shade is too much for this hosta? How much sun is too much? I would like to plant them up against one side of my house which is completely shaded until late in the afternoon. I am worried because the bed doesnt get any direct or filtered light in the early spring. Would this keep them from growing properly? As the seasons progress this area may recieve direct light slighly earlier in the afternoon. Do these sound like okay conditions for
Minutemen? I would also like to plant lily of the valley and astilbe with the hostas..any thoughts?

Thank you!


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I could tell the difference. I had a Minuteman (from Lowes, but it is dearly departed now)and am replacing it because I liked it better than Patriot.

My Patriot came up with about 14 eyes this year, looked good for a while, and now the leaf margins are melting and looking creamy colored instead of white. It does not look as clean as it originally did.

The Minuteman I have shipping from Naylor Creek, along with Whirlwind (another departed Lowes impulse buy, that I repented of later) and I am looking forward to getting it because the green is really dark and Irish looking, and the white is really white. It will contrast nicely with all my soft greens and golds and avocado-ish leaves.

But, I can tell the difference if they are side by side, not ID each one independent of the other.

Mari-88, not ignoring your question for expertise, just don't have what it takes to answer. I garden in containers and move my plants at will. Easier that way for me. :)


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Minuteman should grow in shade. The afternoon sun might be OK, as long as we're not talking about 4 hours of afternoon sun. An hour or two should be OK. A lot of afternoon sun might result in the margins burning out. Try it in your spot. That's really the only way you'll know. If it doesn't do well there, then move it.

Steve


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How much shade you need depends on where you are. If you're in MN, you can grow in a lot of sun. If you're in TX, you have to grow in mostly shade. Late afternoon sun in June or July will fry a hosta here.

bkay


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The problem is that Minuteman is a tissue culture mutation of Patriot, and it happens so often that when companies TC Patriot there is a good chance that they will end up with Minuteman if not properly culled out. Patriot has a wider margin earlier in its life while Minuteman takes a lot longer to get there. Also as noted, Minuteman's margin appears to be more starkly white. Patriot more yellow/cream when it first comes out.

Since Minuteman can show up while doing TCs of Patriot, but they are so tough to cull, you have a lot of Patriot on the market that are really Minuteman, and then you end up with identical but different labeled plants out there.


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  • Posted by babka 9b NorCal (My Page) on
    Fri, Apr 6, 12 at 22:57

Thank you, Chris. That would explain how so many of us cannot see the difference in the labeled plants. I got a "Liberty" from you that even as it it opening, has a wider margin than mine from 2003. Tc's have made a lot of hostas available to us peons, but in the process, some things must suffer. For me, close is good enough.

-Babka


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I also have both and I find the Minuteman superior and agree they seem identical without a close look.


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Within 15 years one original Patriot has become 7 in my front yard, and I like them a lot. Some of my Patriots grow nearly in full sun, but have crowns shaded and get only watered once a week.
Bernd


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Okay, the creamy edges on my Patriot are what I feel makes it less beautiful. The Minuteman was crisply white-edged.
I've only experienced these two specimens, so I cannot generalize about the nature of both plants. However, I know what I like when I see it.

I took another look at my Patriot, and yep, it has creamy white edges not crisp white. The plant is in its first growing season at my house (as is most everything).


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