1 Louisiana 46
2 Mississippi 54
3 Arkansas 61
4 Alabama 57
5 Nevada 32

The states with lowest gun deaths are:
gun ownership

50 Hawaii 10
49 Rhode Island...13
48 Massachusetts...13
47 Connecticut...16
46 New York...18

-Ron-

Then we have states with the highest incidence of firearm related deaths

Are you seeing a correlation lily?

Other than Nevada and Hawaii, no figures were supplied on the western states, so I have no idea where they fit into the above pattern.

Having grown up in the upper midwest, I would say I'm not suprised they rank so high.

Kate

-Ron-

North West of British Columbia, directly West of the Yukon ;)

1. California
2. Texas
3. New York
4. Illinois
5. Pennsylvania

In other words, IT'S NOT THE GUNS!!

Opps, I forgot. Only some posters are required to post links.

No source in the OP.

Opps, I forgot. Only some posters are required to post links.

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Yea, you need to be part of The Club to be exempt! LOL

What? Those deaths might not have been preventable had not an easy and quick method for self annihilation been at hand? Those lives are less valuable?

I'm hoping that the new CDC directive - where we actually have a scientific approach to the study of gun murders and woundings, will shed some light. Just as an example, I'd like to see a rigorous study on the relationship between violent video games and gun murders.

Now before everybody jumps in and trashes the results even before the studies take place, any serious bit of research contains all the data so that anyone can look at it, not just accept the conclusions.

And anyway, since there are already a lot of x's doing y, and you want to prevent the 'y' from happening, the solution is more x's.

And the OVERALL homicide rate is highest in the states with the LEAST guns per household, with the exception of Texas.

Oh, and I DO have a link.

Liiiiily, you gah some splainin to do!

That's easy-- less guns means less gun DEATHS. Now, lets look at OVERALL murders:
1. California
2. Texas
3. New York
4. Illinois
5. Pennsylvania

In other words, IT'S NOT THE GUNS!!

You have provided the wrong set of figures. The data you linked to is raw totals, not per-capita data. Here is the correct list of the top five states by overall homicide rate, from the FBI's Uniform Crime Reports data from 2011:

1. Louisiana
2. Mississippi
3. New Mexico
4. Maryland
5. South Carolina

Now let's look at firearms deaths per 100,000.

-Ron-

Impulse is a big deal in all this. Guns are *quick*. A scared, angry, or depressed person can act immediately and lethaly before his mind kicks in to reconsider.

Deaths are only a part of this. Talk to an ER doc. Talk to the rehab people. Think of mental trauma -- and remorse.

States with Extremely High Populations of Gun Owners(more than 50%)

1. Wyoming - 59.7%
2. Alaska - 57.8%
3. Montana - 57.7%
4. South Dakota - 56.6%
5. West Virginia - 55.4%
6. Mississippi - 55.3%
6. Idaho - 55.3%
6. Arkansas - 55.3%
9. Alabama - 51.7%
10. North Dakota - 50.7%
Then we have states with the highest incidence of firearm related deaths

Are you seeing a correlation lily?

How bizarre. You are saying that of the ten states you've listed as having the highest rate of firearms ownership, none is in the list of the top ten states in firearm-related death. Yet your own link proves your claim to be false.

Here's the list of the top ten states by firearm-related deaths, from your own link:

# 1 District of Columbia
# 2 Alaska
# 3 Louisiana
# 4 Wyoming
# 5 Arizona
# 6 Nevada
# 6 Mississippi
# 8 New Mexico
# 9 Arkansas
# 10 Alabama

So, fully half of the states you list as being in the top ten in gun ownership are also in the top ten in firearm-related deaths, contrary to your claim.

Again, I would expect you wouldn't want your erroneous contention to stand, so I hope (though no longer expect) you to correct it promptly.

As a supporter and card carrying member of the NRA and frequent defender of gun rights here, let me ask,
why do you need an AR15 style assault weapon?
How much ammunition do you have in the house for that weapon?

And let me ask a question: Are you concerned at all that some of the militant and extreme anti-government and anti-Obama rhetoric of gun rights advocates and Right Wingers will result in violence, like it did in the 90's with Ruby Ridge, Waco, and the Oklahoma City terrorist bombing?

the OVERALL homicide rate is highest in the states with the LEAST guns per household, with the exception of Texas.

Bill, you have looked at the wrong statistics. You compared totals, not rates. Please perform your analysis again and look at overall homicide rates and let us know what you find.

Thank you.

But of course, they *are* foreign.

First, although I've posted several times the reasons, I don't own you squat for an explanation. I don't need a corvette, but if I wanted one I could have that, too. I have no need for a swimming pool, but if I wanted one I could have that too. You have no right to tell me I CAN'T have one. As for the ammo, the same applies. it's none of your business.

now that we've gotten past that, how many times have I told you that picture was from over 20 years ago, and although I don't have the rifle any more, I DO still have one fully loaded 30 round magazine. Any more questions? WHO THE F**K DO YOU THINK YOU ARE TO TELL ME HOW I CAN OR CAN'T LIVE????

Are you concerned at all that some of the militant and extreme anti-government and anti-Obama rhetoric of gun rights advocates and Right Wingers will result in violence, like it did in the 90's with Ruby Ridge, Waco, and the Oklahoma City terrorist bombing?

Not at all. What I'm worried about would make ANY of those incidents look like a day in the park.

Factoman-- exactly. I looked at overall homicide rates. THOSE are the ones that are telling, because they include ALL homicides, not just those committed with a gun. I didn't stay within Lily's parameters because they were wrong. It doesn't matter how someone dies. Dead is dead, and the point pro gun advocates, including myself, have been trying to raise is that it doesn't matter if guns are available or not. If someone wants to kill, they're going to kill, and the stats I posted bear that out. Even though guns are hard to come by in 4 of the top five, they're still 80% of the top five.

Factoman-- exactly. I looked at overall homicide rates. THOSE are the ones that are telling, because they include ALL homicides, not just those committed with a gun. I didn't stay within Lily's parameters because they were wrong. It doesn't matter how someone dies. Dead is dead, and the point pro gun advocates, including myself, have been trying to raise is that it doesn't matter if guns are available or not. If someone wants to kill, they're going to kill, and the stats I posted bear that out.

Bill, I think you read my post in a rush. You did *not* look at overall homicide rates. You looked at total homicide counts. Again, you wrote,

lets look at OVERALL murders:
1. California
2. Texas
3. New York
4. Illinois
5. Pennsylvania

This list is incorrect; these are *not* the top five states by overall homicide rate. They are the top five state in total homicides, which is meaningless as it does not adjust for population.

Here is the correct list of the top five states by overall homicide rate, from the FBI's Uniform Crime Reports data from 2011:

1. Louisiana
2. Mississippi
3. New Mexico
4. Maryland
5. South Carolina

I appreciate your re-examination of this.

Thank you.

They hate Bloomberg at Gun Shows & have been quite vocal about it for ages. I don't like him for a lot of reasons I love him for his pressure in this area!

Now if there were people with concealed carry at that mall, and one saw somebody like that, wouldn't it be logical to assume he was some freako nut about to start a massacre, and just shoot him?

I'd be blocks away in no time. No questions asked.

Of course in the future he could just be a teacher on lunch break....but we ain't there yet.

-Ron-

You chose to post a picture of your weapons cache hung on the wall of your living room a few years ago, not 20. The info in the picture file does not square with your claim that is was taken 20 years ago. That was near the time when we were discussion the assault weapons ban and during the time of Ruby Ridge, Waco, etc when there was a lot of paranoid individuals acting out there hatred, and as we all remember, that culminated on the OK City terrorist bombing.

However, having said that, I never mentioned that picture in my last post here. I just asked a few simple questions and you went, well ~ballistic.~

It is this kind of rhetoric about guns and 2d Amendment Rights by some otherwise responsible gun owners like yourself that genuinely has me concerned...not for what YOU might do, but how that rhetoric might be taken and acted on by some wacko out there. And then what? The NRA blames it on the guys mental health and suggest we reform our mental health system or address the problem of gun crime in the inner cities first?
And here we are on the eve of the second inauguration where security is an enormous concern.

As far as your cache of weapons, the assault weapon/weapons and ammunition, do whatever you want with them. I have never suggested a gun grab and even pushed back here when one guy mentioned it.

Yes, I am worried about more gun violence and that the gun owners and NRA are resisting what most people believe are reasonable measures. In the meantime, the gun Rights/anti government/Obama haters do not make me feel any less worried. They are only ramping up the fear that went through us again when 26 were slaughtered in Newton.

He is some freako not. A freako gun nut. He just didn't start a massacre.

A guy I knew for years, who ultimately moved out of the area used to walk around on a daily basis with a concealed pistol, loaded with exploding-or-similar-type bullets that would blow holes in anyone he happened to have occasion to shoot.

This ammunition was of course legal.

And he of course never had a need to be carrying around a loaded pistol during the conducting of his normal-style (non-military, non-security, non-law enforcement) work and personal business in the suburbs.

-Ron-"

;D

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2011/crime-in-th e-u.s.-2011/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-11

Here are some stats published December 22, 2012. Notice that they are per 100,000 people. Number 1 is District of Columbia which is one of the most strict when it comes to gun control but at the same time New York is also strict and is ranked 46th.

http://www.statemaster.com/graph/cri_mur_wit_fir-death-rate-per-100-00 0

The numbers in which are being posted, are these just homicides in general or are they firearm related homicides?

Which numbers?

GIG HARBOR, Wash. -- Douglas McRae is behind bars for firing an assault style rifle at passing cars outside of Goodman Middle School in Gig Harbor on Wednesday night.
No one was hurt in the incident, but Pierce County Sheriffs Deputies found an arsenal of weapons when they searched his home off of 36th Street Northwest.
"We found an arsenal of weapons," said a Pierce County sheriff�s spokesman. "Eight weapons in all, including an AR-15, like the rifle used at Sandy Hook."
Police don't know if McRae has a felony record or a record of mental illness, which would make it illegal for him to own a gun."
He's currently at the Pierce County jail on $200,000 bail.

Do we need another Sandy Hook before you are going to see that gun ownership and the types of guns available for ownership need to have limits on them?

Where the heck did the crop of new posters who are campaigning hard on the gun issue who have just joined up within the past month come from?

Man, I thought the wash of new (and not so "new") posters who showed up shortly before the election and have disappeared since then was funny... is this going to happen every time a political issue comes up in the US?

Seems to be a trend.

I used to read one of the big box blogs - identified as a Democratic site and thought to be influential - and there were pro-nuclear power posters that would swarm in when criticism of the nuclear industry was made.

"The Second Amendment Comes from God"

"God and Guns" ... sounds like a match made in heaven.

Like who? Fancifowl?

Look at it this way; you got the juggernaut: factotem.

I would really appreciate it if you would take the time to correct your claim about the top five states in overall homicide rate per my post(s) above.

Thank you.