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New retirement community in Idaho

Posted by david52 z5CO (My Page) on
Sun, Jan 13, 13 at 15:01

"The Citadel is evolving as a planned community where residents are bound together by:

Patriotism

Pride in American Exceptionalism

Our proud history of Liberty as defined by our Founding Fathers, and

Physical preparedness to survive and prevail in the face of natural catastrophes - such as Hurricanes Sandy or Katrina - or man-made catastrophes such as a power grid failure or economic collapse.

The Citadel is not your typical planned community where the developer's objective is selling cookie-cutter homes at the highest possible profit-margin.

The Citadel is not profit-driven. The Citadel is Liberty-driven: specifically Thomas Jefferson's Rightful Liberty.

Marxists, Socialists, Liberals and Establishment Republicans will likely find that life in our community is incompatible with their existing ideology and preferred lifestyles.

DESCRIPTION: The Citadel Community will house between 3,500 and 7,000 patriotic American families who agree that being prepared for the emergencies of life and being proficient with the American icon of Liberty - the Rifle - are prudent measures. There will be no HOA. There will be no recycling police and no local ordinance enforcers from City Hall.

LOCATION: We are in the process of selecting the ideal location among the beautiful mountains of Idaho in the American Redoubt.

PROJECT LAUNCH: We plan to purchase land for the Citadel in 2013 and break ground soon after. Even before unveiling our national advertising campaign, more than 200 families reserved space within our community!

WHY APPLY FOR RESIDENCE: If living in an affordable, safe, well-prepared, patriotic community where your children will be educated in school rather than indoctrinated, consider the Citadel. Approved applicants receive a Lifetime Lease (paid off in only 30 years). No credit check. No background check. Zero down payment. Zero interest. Zero property taxes.

HOW TO APPLY: Simply read through the information here on our website. If you believe the Citadel is ideal for you and your family, complete our application. More of your questions may be answered at our FAQ page.

HOUSING DETAILS: All homes will be built of poured concrete for exceptional strength and durability. Your home will be built to your specs (details available at this website) with utilities stubbed to the interior. You select the facade for the exterior of your home. You are responsible for completing the interior of your home as you wish. You may choose to do the work yourself, or hire contractors. But every single detail, from paint to tiles to counters, is your choice.

If Liberty has been missing from the life of your family, consider the Citadel for your new home."

and on the cost calculator page " Every Citadel home will come with a 2,500 gallon water tank, a one year supply of food for either 1 or 2 adults, 1 or 2 AR15-variant rifles and 1,000 rounds of ammunition per rifle, a generator, a composting toilet, a vault, a protective Safe Room. If you are bringing more than 2 adults, additional ARs, ammunition and food will be added for a tiny fee. Remember, your home requires zero down payment, zero interest, no background check and no credit check... and your Lease is for Life."

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So no sewage, no running water, no police, lots of guns and ammo, IOW, none of that darned socialist nonsense, just Liberty.

Here is a link that might be useful: link


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*smacks forehead* Liberty! with a Capital L! That's what's missing from my life!


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  • Posted by ohiomom 3rdrockfromthesun (My Page) on
    Sun, Jan 13, 13 at 15:22

III Arms ... "founders"

In case anyone wants to join, you can find them on facebook and twitter. For a nominal fee you too can be free.

I am not laughing :)


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Sooo, no 2000 acres (3000 would be ideal) purchased yet. Guess even the Jeffersonian Rightful Liberty crowd clings to their cash as well as the Citadel's, thy name is Pie in the Sky, plans.

There'll be squabbles over the condos in the curtain wall turrets - most will want top floors to make the most of the crenellations.

"Each neighborhood within the walls will have lower defensive walls, dividing the town into defensible sections/neighborhoods. Each neighborhood will have similar housing for visual uniformity and aesthetic appeal." (like the worst of suburban drek only in cement) No HOA but I'd imagine there'll be heavily armed neighborhood patrollers all along the watchtowers as well as the lower neighborhood defensive walls - no pitched battles between residents allowed.

Does everyone see the all encompassing creepiness of this? I'll stick my neck out - of course you do.


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  • Posted by ohiomom 3rdrockfromthesun (My Page) on
    Sun, Jan 13, 13 at 15:41

Well this is just a natural progression from the bunker/prepper businesses (which also charged a nominal fee) ... sorry that whole "mayan" thing didn't work out for y'all.


Okay maybe I am giggling ... :)


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Speaking of con jobs... Another kind of quaint company town with a great future as a tourist destination. Send us your money and we promise to break ground soon.


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Well, they will be starting their own bank - will issue Citadel coins in gold & silver. They'll take applications and down payments in gold or silver eagles - no 90% coins, please. Maybe G. Gordon Liddy will be the bank CEO - he knows coins. None of that gold clad non-monetary stuff hawked as being clad in 14mg of 24k gold. Yumpin' Yiminy - at today's prices, that's about 74 (give or take) cent's worth.

I just see failure in this project.


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"children educated in school rather than indoctrinated."
That phrase hit a discordant note considering the overall bunker mentality they seem to advocate.


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Wonder what happens when the wild, booze-soaked party in tower #2 starts playing "The Star Spangled Banner" by Keri Hilson, and the family, trying to put their kids to sleep in tower #1, wants them to tone it down.

Here is a link that might be useful: Keri Hilson singing - it gets worse as she goes along


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All these doomsday/survivalist projects make me laugh. Why live in a society within a society... and one that clearly doesn't have any ecological ideals regarding the planet we live on... this one seems hell and gone from any utopia...

I smell a little indoctrination in the area of education, too.


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I would expect this would make a lively episode for CNN's Scams, Scoundrels and Scandals.

Found this on a III Percent Patriots blog re people chomping at the bit to buy in, etc...

"I'd like to more take over a town, remake it in the III image, than make a new one.
You start putting up walls, segregating yourselves behind closed doors you'll be labled with separatist, supremacist faster than you can deny it. This is a 10-20yr plan, not a dig a hole, start shooting tresspassers for looking your way.

Find a place, start moving there, start 'voting' yourselves into positions of 'authority', council positions, business planning seats. Make yourselves visible in the existing community, start making a difference in how things are run.

Be the 'good' neighbor who just happens to work at the gun plant and carries a gun. Help little old ladies across the street, help disappear the local thugs, volunteer to help little Johnnie or Jane with Scouts, afterschool activities, assist the local 'good' be commonplace with your daily activities. The bad guys will see that it's not the place they want to be, maybe with a little assistance with some folks, and move them out as we move more of us in.

It'll never be Mayberry, but that was a mostly ideal setting, and I'd be digging my foundation footers tomorrow if it existed.

Imagine greeting your neighbors in the morning, "Hey, I heard you got the new IIIx9 in 9x19....how's that working out for you? Have you tried the new III Showstopper rounds for it? 147gr, 1897fps and real tack driver in that IIIx9! You might want to come by the factory later today, they're having a demonstration and hands on for the improved Triple I-14, kind of a public input session. It's all new, .333 Patriot, integrally suppressed, integrally counterbalanced, fully automatic. We'll be poking holes in that armored DHS vehicle that 'showed up' on the range last week last week. Yup, you heard right, no recoil. Zero. Junior there can hit the target 99 out of 99 times on full auto if HE holds still. See you there? Great! Have a good day."

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I suspect they'd eventually have a special turret for the kids; nursery, school, everything combined. And eventually someone in charge will be outed as a pedophile and will quietly be "disappeared" - probably outside the curtain wall.


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  • Posted by momj47 7A..was 6B (My Page) on
    Sun, Jan 13, 13 at 18:07

LOL

It's a good site, good enough to have been done by The Onion.

It's in northwest Idaho, so far off the beaten path, I wonder if there are even roads up there. Of course, it hasn't actually been approved, so they can't build yet.

The Arms Factory is very appealing, as is the armory.

Here is a link that might be useful: Link


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  • Posted by ohiomom 3rdrockfromthesun (My Page) on
    Sun, Jan 13, 13 at 18:14

Nutter butters are lining up, good news you can use "paypal" ... hurry hurry "obama is coming for your guns".

Go to the real "old west of hollyweird" where there is no law and order and your six shooter, or in this case the AR15 in the hands of even children is the law.

Wow wonder what happens when moms and pops ground the teen for breaking curfew and he "whips it out" and splays a round or so.


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Like with any project of this "magnitude", there are bugs to be worked out, OM. It is to laugh!

Wonder what would happen if you forgot the secret hand sign and were denied access to your little patch of freedom. How many times can you skip the AM muster on the green before being dressed down or having your privileges at the armaments museum taken away?

I have too many questions that aren't covered in their FAQ.


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I was shocked not to find at least a half dozen churches for the planned community of that size. (I don't mean mosques, temples, and RC cathedrals.)


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Marshall - I had to do some digging, but churches aplenty to satisfy anyone's brand of worship will be built outside the curtain wall.

Keeping God "outside" - there's a family value.


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Not to be out done......

...."On his program last night, [Glenn] Beck revealed that his intention to "go Galt" is quite literal, unveiling grandiose plans to create an entirely self-sustaining community called Independence Park that will provide its own food and energy, produce television and film content, host research and development, serve as a marketplace for products and ideas, while also housing a theme park and serving as a residential community.

At the center -- in the middle of the lake that is itself larger than all of Disney Land - Beck (with the help of David Barton) will create a massive "national archive"/learning center where people can send their children to be "deprogrammed" and elected officials can come to learn "the truth." snip

Here is a link that might be useful: Summer in Idaho, winter (<==verb) in Texas


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Jesus, Mary and Joseph would understand: no room at the INN[er castle].


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  • Posted by ohiomom 3rdrockfromthesun (My Page) on
    Sun, Jan 13, 13 at 19:09

"castle"

Snap! That's it exactly, they got "founders" confused with "feudalism".


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Well, I say this should be encouraged.

Don't you guys get it? If the nutter next door pulls up the stakes and moves to one of these isolated garrisons... that's one less nutter in MY neighbourhood. And the best part is... I didn't have to do a thing!

Double win!


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Wow. Good ideas just never die. Wasn't it Jim and Tammy Faye Bakker who shed tears for funds for their Heritage Village - theme park, residences, time shares, donate and get to spend a few days in the Grand Hotel.

Jerry Fallwell took that into chapter 11 for $72 million in debt - the 165,000 PTL faithful who each gave Bakker $1000 got a return on their investment of $6.54. They were the lucky ones!


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I love the comparison to Disneyland, only with their own arms factory.

"The model will be similar in many ways to that of Disneyland. It is walled, gated, private property with controlled access. People pay to enter and agree to the rules because they see value in doing so. It is all based on a voluntary agreement between the owners of the property and those who want to come inside. Millions of people visit Disneyland and interact peacefully. It's exceptionally rare to hear of any serious problems. The key is that those people want to be there and understand what is expected of them. Surprisingly similar to what we are doing."

This has to be satire.


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Don't you guys get it? If the nutter next door pulls up the stakes and moves to one of these isolated garrisons... that's one less nutter in MY neighbourhood.

Kind of like dogs. Each one by themselves are easy to deal with. But get a pack of them, and it can be dangerous.


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I like the zero property taxes part. Too bad that is as fantastical as the rest of it.


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Kind of like dogs. Each one by themselves are easy to deal with. But get a pack of them, and it can be dangerous

You might be right.

But one thing they all have in common is an over-abundance of pride and paranoia. While isolating yourself with a bunch of other like minded individuals, you no longer have "the enemy" right beside you to lash out at.

Human nature dictates that they will start lashing out at their new next door neighbour when they don't have some liberal hippy America hater within striking distance. Their fellow survivalist won't man their turrets enough, or they will disagree on whether it is the Communists or the Muslims who are the bigger threat, or they will suspect their neighbour isn't training their kids well enough in survival training or how to store food--their kids will become potential threats if they don't store their own food and come looking for OUR stores--

Eventually, that pride and paranoia will make them turn on each other... and keep them out of our hair. Eventually, their new society will break down and the end result is a bunch of nutters who lost a buttload of money and the community just breaks up into just another suburban neighbourhood.

By the way, does this idea remind anyone else of Stormfront's PLE (Pioneer Little Europe) idea from so many years ago? Almost word-for-word it's the same. The only thing missing is the big sign out front saying "No Blacks, Mexicans, Indians, Jews or Catholics Allowed"


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Funny-- that's the first thing that came to my mind, too when I read this-- especially the part about not having any churches in the compound-- Stormfront, and groups like them.


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I love this part:

Two: Every able-bodied Patriot aged 13 and older governed by this Agreement shall annually demonstrate proficiency with the rifle of his/her choice by hitting a man-sized steel target at 100 yards with open sights at the Citadel range. Each Resident shall have 10 shots and must hit the target at least 7 times.

Three: Every able-bodied Patriot aged 13 and older governed by this Agreement shall annually demonstrate proficiency with a handgun of choice by hitting a man-sized steel target at 25 yards with open sights at the Citadel range. Each Resident shall have 10 shots and must hit the target at least 7 times.

Four: Every able-bodied Patriot of age within the Citadel will maintain one AR15 variant in 5.56mm NATO, at least 5 magazines and 1,000 rounds of ammunition. The responsibility for maintaining functional arms and ammunition levels for every member of the household shall fall to the head of household. Every able-bodied Patriot will be responsible for maintaining a Tactical Go Bag or Muster Kit to satisfy the Minuteman concept. Details TBD and posted elsewhere.

Six: Every able-bodied Patriot aged 13 and older shall pass a class every three years sponsored by the Citadel on basic emergency medical care; the courses shall focus on battlefield and wilderness environments.

Seven: Every child attending Citadel schools � with parental discretion for maturity � shall have as part of every semester's class curriculum basic marksmanship and firearms safety training leading to the proficiency test on the child's 13th birthday as a "Coming of Age" rite of passage (a parent may attend the classes or personally train the child if so desired). Children attending schools beyond the Citadel, or home-schooled, are required to meet the same proficiency standards at age 13.

So if your kid turns 13 and is a terrible shot, or decides they don't WANT to use guns, or they are too queasy to do the medical training requirement or don't want to do the wilderness training... does the whole family have to leave the community or just the kid?

Or... considering they are free and patriotic, do they tell The Citadel to shove it, I paid for my home in the community so I can do what I want. No HOA, right?


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  • Posted by ohiomom 3rdrockfromthesun (My Page) on
    Sun, Jan 13, 13 at 22:25

HG I actually dislike that part :(


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Is Mark Fuhrman involved in any of this nonsense? He made his home in Idaho after leaving the Los Angeles Police Department.


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That would not surprise me.


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  • Posted by ohiomom 3rdrockfromthesun (My Page) on
    Sun, Jan 13, 13 at 23:07

Anyone been able to find "names" behind this grand patriotic walled city ? Doesn't seem to be any available info on the "who" that is behind the scene of castleville available.


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Well david, this makes me want to run for the hills, but since that appears to be exactly the direction I need to avoid, maybe Id better go and visit my beloved BIL who resides in the evil, liberal southern California state, or ......just stay home, wait, and let those nutters kill themselves off.

For just a few days the former idea would be nice but for the long haul, the latter is what will get the job done.

What a country we live in.


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The names behind this patriotic project? Here you go. The usual suspects.

A leading Three Percent blog, the Sipsey Street Irregulars, identifies who's behind Citadel:

Convicted extortionist's latest con gets huge play on Drudge.

Readers may recall that Christian Hyman, aka Sam Kerodin, is not exactly a favorite of mine, since he appeared out of nowhere and attempted to hijack the Three Percent philosophy (with some success since there are suckers born every minute, apparently). His latest scam is something called "Citadel" ...
This post at another blog, written by an admirer, also ID's Kerodin as the founder of Citadel, and also says he started a firearms company called III Arms. (The Citadel site says III Arms was founded to fund the Citadel project, and that the company will employ Citadel residents.)

So who is Kerodin?

An Alexandria man was sentenced yesterday in federal court to 30 months in prison and fined $6,000 after he pleaded guilty in January to charges of extortion and possessing an unregistered short-barreled rifle.

U.S. Attorney Paul J. McNulty in Alexandria said Christian Kerodin, 36, was sentenced by U.S. District Judge Gerald Bruce Lee, who also ordered that the prison term be followed by three years of supervised release.
What did Kerodin do? After 9/11, he set himself up as a security consultant; he approached shopping malls claiming that they were likely targets of terrorism, then threatened to ID particular malls in a published report as especially vulnerable to terrorism unless those malls paid him not to do so.

Let me reiterate: This felon and his secessionist militia project are being promoted by Fox News -- which insists that it's a respectable news organization.

There's more of interest in that link.

Kate

Here is a link that might be useful: FOX PROMOTES SECESSIONIST WALLED COMPOUND


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  • Posted by ohiomom 3rdrockfromthesun (My Page) on
    Mon, Jan 14, 13 at 10:05

Thanks Kate ... I could not find this info, looks like Kerodin needs some quick cash and he will find it from the nutter butter paranoid "they" are "coming for my guns" crowd.

Remember you can use "pay pal" to send in your funds, get to it :)


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  • Posted by batya Israel north 8-9-10 (My Page) on
    Mon, Jan 14, 13 at 10:25

Considering all these kids need to do by their 13th birthday, I really, really wanna see the bar mitzvah parties.
"Today I am a man". Yeah.


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I wonder how The Citadel in South Carolina feels about having their copyright infringed on?

Hey I hope a lot of the nut jobs join up. It would be nice to have them all in one place.


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Copyright does not protect names, titles, slogans, or short phrases - but then we can take a side trip to registered trademarks.

I would suggest, though, these happy patriots make sure their logo doesn't too closely resemble the Citadel's (in Charleston, SC).

I'd say the money is against this bunch not even getting so far as to pouring the curtain wall footings.


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Do these rules mean my application will be rejected?


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Do these rules mean my application will be rejected?

Is that grounds for a discrimination lawsuit? After all, there are laws against creating neighbourhoods that exclude "undesirables" due to their beliefs, correct?


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Considering all these kids need to do by their 13th birthday, I really, really wanna see the bar mitzvah parties.
"Today I am a man". Yeah.

I was thinking the same thing!

Okay maybe I am giggling ... :)

Actually, laughing out loud. Hysterically.

I think there's one problem with this plan that they haven't thought of...if they are all in one place, Obama's militias know where to find them...


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I heard that Al Gore was going to take his big oil money that he got from the sale of Current tv to Aljazeera and invest in solar panels for the group. Then he is going to sell them all carbon footprints. Ahhh gotta love it...nuts to the right of us, nuts to the left of us lol.


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"So no sewage, no running water, no police, lots of guns and ammo, IOW, none of that darned socialist nonsense, just Liberty."

Sounds like a commune from the 1960s. :-)


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  • Posted by vgkg 7-Va Tidewater (My Page) on
    Tue, Jan 15, 13 at 10:23

Sounds like a Paranoid's Paradise. Mayor Beck anyone?


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mrskjun tosses a turd into the fun-filled OP.


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At least marshall, you got to throw the first one.

"I was shocked not to find at least a half dozen churches for the planned community of that size. (I don't mean mosques, temples, and RC cathedrals.)"


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LOL!!! A planned community without houses of worship is not a community. Why mentioning that is equal to throwing a turd into the pool of public opinion (unlike your own contribution)?


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Oh right marshall...that's exactly what you meant. And there is a bridge in Brooklyn that might be needed to make that community complete as well..."I don't mean mosques, temples, and RC cathedrals." Exactly what did you mean?


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Read the website again for content and intent and get back to me later when I return from work.


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Not speaking for marshall, but aren't these types of "separatists" usually anti-Roman Catholic, Jewish, and Muslim?

Adherents would likely have their applications burned to begin with or used as targets for grade school marksmanship training; hence, no need for any places of worship other than you name it Down by the Jordan. I can see the altar piece now - Charlton Heston as Moses coming down from the Mount with an Uzi.


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Duluth hits it out of the ballpark of no-brainers.


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A large growing share of American workers are tapping their retirement savings accounts for non-retirement needs however, the United States, typically thought of a first-world nation, is rapidly losing its standing if one thinks about the security and life-style of its average citizens after retiring from the work force. According to a brand new study, the U.S. ranks low in relation to retirement security and even lower in health care.

Here is a link that might be useful: retirement security


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Just a heads up about that link from the last poster...WOT (Web of Trust) has a low opinion of it...


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I won't open the link. Shaxhome, who issued the alleged study?


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Sorry, Marshall...I don't know either, because I refuse to open suspect links. I checked it via "backdoor" methods that don't require opening it.


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Here ya go, Marshall. This link is squeaky clean (if you trust CNN!)...

Here is a link that might be useful: U.S. gets 19th place in retirement security rankings


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Thanks, shax


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