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Do you know about Democratic Party Superdelegates?

Posted by anney Georgia 8 (My Page) on
Fri, Jan 4, 08 at 15:58

The process for selecting the next Democrat for president is not as straightforward as the current news might lead us to think.

From the Associated Press :

Clinton Leads Delegate Race

By The Associated Press – 2 hours ago

Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton claimed one fewer delegate than Sen. Barack Obama in the Iowa caucuses Thursday night, but she still has the lead in the overall race for delegates because she has a commanding lead among superdelegates.

The Democratic National Committee has allotted states a total of 796 superdelegates to the party's national convention this summer. Those delegates, mainly members of Congress, other elected officials and DNC members, are free to support any candidate at the convention, regardless of the outcomes of the primaries and caucuses.

Most superdelegates contacted by the AP before the Iowa caucuses were undecided. However, among those who have endorsed a candidate, Clinton leads with 160, compared to 59 for Obama and 32 for former Sen. John Edwards.

Those numbers could change dramatically if Obama continues to win at the ballot box, which could lead to more endorsements by superdelegates.

An AP analysis of the Iowa caucus results showed Obama winning 16 delegates, followed by Clinton with 15 and Edwards with 14. In the overall race for delegates, Clinton leads with 175, followed by Obama with 75 and Edwards with 46.

A total of 2,025 delegates is needed to secure the Democratic nomination.

Thus more than 39% of the delegates are not determined by votes for candidates in Democratic primaries or caucuses but are determined instead by the Democratic beltway machine, who are not constrained by what their party voters want.

Howzzat for a piece of reality?


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More About the Democratic Superdelegates

  • Posted by anney Georgia 8 (My Page) on
    Fri, Jan 4, 08 at 16:11

Most Democratic ‘superdelegates’ uncommitted
Clinton leads Obama in officials who aren't bound by primary results

WASHINGTON - New Hampshire and Iowa will have to wait.

The nation’s first presidential primary, for Democrats anyway, is being waged among hundreds of party insiders — superdelegates who could play a big part in selecting the nominee at next summer’s national convention.

So far, most of them still haven’t been sold on any of the candidates.

The Associated Press contacted 90 percent of the 765 superdelegates, mostly elected officials and other party officers, who are free to support anyone they choose at the convention, regardless of what happens in the primaries.

Hillary Rodham Clinton leads Barack Obama by more than a 2-1 margin among those who have endorsed a candidate. But a little more than half of those contacted — 365 — said they haven’t settled on a Democratic standard bearer.

"The fact that under half have publicly committed shows me how open the Democratic race still is," said Jenny Backus, a Democratic consultant who is not affiliated with any campaign. "It’s a sign that the race isn’t totally done in many people’s minds."

Clinton hampered by delectability questions

Clinton has the endorsement of 169 superdelegates. She is followed by Obama, 63; John Edwards, 34; Bill Richardson, 25; Chris Dodd, 17; Joe Biden, 8, and Dennis Kucinich, 2.

Superdelegates tend to support the front-runner, said David Rohde, a political scientist at Duke University. "They want to be on the winning side," he said.

So why don’t more of them back Clinton, who leads in national polls?

"They are still concerned about her ability to win the general election," Rohde said.

He said Clinton’s high negative numbers among likely voters have many party insiders skittish. However, he added, if Clinton sweeps the early voting in Iowa and New Hampshire, "these people will flock to her."

On the other hand, a spokeswoman for Obama expressed confidence he would pick up superdelegates after doing well in early voting states. "We are pleased with our current support in the DNC and know that as the states go, so will superdelegates," said Jen Psaki.

Superdelegates are the ultimate party insiders, including all Democratic members of Congress, as well as a number of other elected officials and members of the Democratic National Committee. They will attend the convention next summer with about 3,200 other delegates who have been pledged to various presidential candidates based on the outcomes of primaries and party caucuses in their states.

Democratic candidates need a little more than 2,000 delegates to claim the nomination. That can make the superdelegates, who will number about 800 after state parties select a few more this summer, important players in choosing a nominee.

Most GOP delegates have chosen a side

The Republicans have far fewer unaffiliated delegates, a little more than 100, making Democratic superdelegates a unique political force.

Don Fowler, former chairman of the Democratic National Committee, said many superdelegates delay public endorsements because they don’t want alienate the other candidates.

"It’s a club and they don’t like to offend their fellow club members until they have to," said Fowler, himself an uncommitted superdelegate from South Carolina....

Senators remain uncommitted

Four of the Democratic candidates are senators: Clinton from New York, Obama from Illinois, Dodd from Connecticut and Biden from Delaware. A fifth, Edwards, is a former senator from North Carolina. Yet 33 of the 49 Democratic senators, who are all superdelegates, remain uncommitted. Clinton, with 10 senators in her corner, is the only candidate with endorsements from more than two, according to the AP survey....

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22067963


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RE: Do you know about Democratic Party Superdelegates?

  • Posted by spewey Van down by da river (My Page) on
    Fri, Jan 4, 08 at 16:24

Nothing new, and has been the case for several election cycles. Some RNC officials, including state party heads and other wonks, have voting rights not tied to electoral results, so it's present in both parties, though it's about 10% of the Republican delegate vote versus about a quarter of the Democratic count.


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RE: Do you know about Democratic Party Superdelegates?

  • Posted by anney Georgia 8 (My Page) on
    Fri, Jan 4, 08 at 16:57

spewey

It's closer to 40% of the Democratic count, not 25%.

Anyway, people should just be reminded to take everything into account about how the Democratic party gets a final Democratic presidential candidate into the running. Even with primaries and caucuses, voter participation is minimized by 40%.

The effect? Not sure.


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RE: Do you know about Democratic Party Superdelegates?

  • Posted by spewey Van down by da river (My Page) on
    Fri, Jan 4, 08 at 17:26

If that article is correct, and there are 765 superdelegates and 3200 other delegates, how do you come up with "closer to 40%"?

765 is 19 percent of 3965, the total number of delegates (if the numbers in that piece are accurate). Or about double the percentage of reserved RNC delegates.


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RE: Do you know about Democratic Party Superdelegates?

I will be sure not to get my hopes up!
Thanks for posting somewhat of an explanation.
(There is no way to explain it all as it would seem)


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RE: Do you know about Democratic Party Superdelegates?

  • Posted by anney Georgia 8 (My Page) on
    Fri, Jan 4, 08 at 17:37

Spewey,

You are right. I divided the Democratic superdelegate number by the total number needed to win, instead of the total number of Democratic delegates for the convention.

But it sure doesn't negate the input of the Democratic machine into who the final candidate is, though I'm not sure about the effects.

I have to admit that this time around, I'm having a hard time dealing with how the Democratic political machine works. I think it's unfair (and probably the Republican machine, too) and has over time disenfranchised the power of "one person, one vote". I'd like to see things move much closer to popular elections and get the parties out of the election process, if not the campaigning.


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RE: Do you know about Democratic Party Superdelegates?

One thing to remember, both the republican and democratic parties are private organizations. They each make their rules,it's not part of the government.

One vote, one person does not apply (and is a relatively new concept in the US, use to be rural folks had a weightier say than city folk.. We may go back there given the current supreme court.)


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RE: Do you know about Democratic Party Superdelegates?

kartwheel, what does that mean: "rural folks had a weightier say"?

When, and how?


 
 

 

 


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