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Working Together Against Middle Class America

Posted by brushworks Zone5-Ohio (My Page) on
Tue, Feb 28, 12 at 8:15

Democrats and Republicans - champions of the politics of austerity.

Working together to keep the citizens slaves of the two party system.

Equally Evil.

Here is a link that might be useful: The puppets of the 1%


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  • Posted by ohiomom 3rdrockfromthesun (My Page) on
    Tue, Feb 28, 12 at 8:20

Hard to convince folks of this Brush .. :(

We Americans have been doing the same thing for so long, tis hard for some to see that we are not electing new leadership but the same leadership.

Over and over and over and over and over and over.......


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Mom,

Thank you for reading the article, and thank you for supporting a call for real change, not just hope that it may change.


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Not sure how much buy-in you will get from the right considering your Socialist Worker source but I have read essentially the same thing (Krugman for instance) from less left leaning sources. The economic stagnation that England is experiencing with their austerity plan should be a warning that a recession is not the time for Gov't to drastically cut spending.


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  • Posted by ohiomom 3rdrockfromthesun (My Page) on
    Tue, Feb 28, 12 at 9:02

"We the People" do not have to be puppets to a regime that favors the 1% .. don't you realize how much power WE have to bring about change ?

Too bad we "choose" to be a nation/people divided .. and yes it is our choice.

I have a dream....


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Are you just now waking up to the fact that it is BOTH parties against the middle class? That has been obvious for a while. The political system is absolutely corrupt and rigged against the little people and those that cannot defend themselves: the environment and the flora and fauna that inhabit it.


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Some surprise - austerity programs are bad for the economy. That's been the criticism of the stimulus packages -- too small.

iirc brush, you were one of those saying we have to cut government workers. You were heartily endorsing austerity.


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No Nancy, we have to balance the budget! You are one that hates to hear those words, but it's a must if we wish to survive the future.

Does your employer strive to be in debt, or balance its budget to provide security for the employees? Would you be angry if they laid you off because of their wasteful spending?

For someone who is frugal, I'm surprised that you don't condone a balanced budget.

Esh, it may not be a surprise, but according to your posts, you favor the Democrats 99-1, yet you agree they are as evil. Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm..puzzling.


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Esh, it may not be a surprise, but according to your posts, you favor the Democrats 99-1, yet you agree they are as evil. Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm..puzzling.

Evil is perhaps a bit strong. Corrupted yes. But I still think that of the two parties - all I have to choose from - it is the party that most closely aligns with the issues that I think are important. Therefore, I usually vote Democrat. I gotta vote for someone - why is that puzzling?

But I am open to voting for whoever I feel best represents me, regardless of party affiliation.


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Austerity is a last ditch effort to loot the economy before the whole thing goes bankrupt. Its a continuation of the 25 year effort - through 'free trade', union busting, tax cuts, and enormous deficit spending to transfer wealth upwards. and now, as we teeter on the edge, its all about preserving the value of debt owned by assorted creditors. That would be banks, capital investments, sovereign debt. What nobody seems to want to admit is that this house of cards will collapse if austerity continues to shrink the economy.

Comparing a government, and the role it plays in an umpty trillion dollar economy dependent on world economic growth/decline and how their governments/economies react, to running a single company isn't valid - even worse is trying to compare that with running a household. 'Honey, you're putting too much defense spending on the credit card again. Sweetie-pie, you'll just have to cut back on the groceries...'.

We're all trying to survive, here, and we depend on society to regulate itself for the benefit of all, not just the few on top the heap. Not seeing much happening from either party. The Republicans, at least, are open about dismantling the government and selling off the pieces.


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No Nancy, we have to balance the budget!

Then you're endorsing austerity, given the current tax structure.

For someone who is frugal, I'm surprised that you don't condone a balanced budget.

Households and small businesses are not the models for how a government is run.


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While I agree both parties are corporate parties, I disagree wholeheartedly that they are equal in "the evil". Think of where we would have been with a Gore presidency instead of a Bush?...or how our future would look with a Santorum presidency? The piece makes some broad statements that ignore the mechanics and politics of governing (like the 60 majority in senate). You see this often on both wings of both parties. So Obama is either a Nazi, Socialist, or a democrat? He either spends to much or cuts too much...the donkey once again cleaning up after the elephant.

Glad to see them talking about it though. Repeal or amend Citizens United and get the money out.

Occupy!


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Well, David, after a while it gets difficult to hide it all with phrases like "trickle down" and the rest of the bs constantly spoon fed... so, why not just let it all hang out... oh, and add some patriarchal religion aimed at forcing the submission of women for extra impact. That'll keep everyone dancing.

I concur with Nancy... there's nothing remotely similar between the running of a government, and the running of a household or small business.

Both major parties ARE corrupt, and they both DO bow to corporate and industry interests, but at least the Democrats don't have to keep spitting up and re-eating their words on a daily basis... they can get the skeleton closet door closed quite a lot easier.

The problem is... you can't fix all disasters overnight. Some you can't fix in 4 or even 8 years. If people only had a little more logic and patience... and a lot less prejudice and mainstream news.


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Government in general is corrupt. It's the law of life I believe, and there's nothing we can do about it, other than a complete revolution. History shows that no matter the type of government, that it eventually will fail. Our great country's government was founded on the principal of freedom and liberty. This was in a time when there were a lot less people, and the mentality of those people was different. People all worked for what they had; nothing was provided at the cost of others. There were no huge cities with high crime. They didn't need tons of laws and ordinances, and tons of police and other forms of public employees, all of which cost money.

Our representatives used to serve ONE term, and then return home, to go back to work and be a citizen. Now, our politicians stay in office for a LONG time, and get nice and cozy. They aren't coming home to answer to their constituants; they are staying in Washington, and making careers of it. They no longer serve the people; they serve themselves at the expense of the people. The second amendment was put in our constitution for this exact reason. I don't say that in a pro-gun rant, because the 2nd amendment is more than just the right to bear arms. The reasoning for it was to make sure that we the people have the ability to revolt when our government gets out of control and no longer serves us. We've hit that point a long time ago, but, unlike the old days, we have too many laws in place now that scare us away from that.

I don't know the solution to our problems, but I can say with confidence that we are swirling down the toilet. We the people have slowly become the sheep, while our politicians are the wolves. We outnumber them by A LOT, but they have worked hard to pit us against eachother, and it has worked like a charm. Rather than sticking together, we have become split, and no longer have the power. Without the power of "we the people", we are nothing. Things won't get better until ALL of us realize this, and unfortunately, I suspect the only way that'll happen is for things to hit rock bottom.


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  • Posted by bboy USDA 8 Sunset 5 WA (My Page) on
    Wed, Feb 29, 12 at 21:18

>Our great country's government was founded on the principal of freedom and liberty. This was in a time when there were a lot less people, and the mentality of those people was different. People all worked for what they had; nothing was provided at the cost of others<

The country was founded by rich businessmen who were trying to cut their taxes - hey, kind of like the ones who run the show today. But at the same time the Colonies were also full of Anglophiles who admired the mother country. There is also a long history of slaves being kept and used to line the pockets of landowners.


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Boy, you really hate America don't you? What a shame. Everything to you and so many on the left is about those damn evil rich businessmen. The hell with the freedom and liberty we're supposed to have, it's all about hating the rich buisnessmen, the ones who envisioned a country where everyone could have the opportunity to build a good life and thrive. Now, people like you have such a hatred towards rich businessmen, that nothing else matters other than bringing them down. Rather then bring them down, why not try to work your way to the top, the very thing that this country was founded on. I was taught that the "American Dream" meant that you could be born here, or move here, and have the opportunity to thrive with hard work. Now, people, including government, seem to think the "American Dream" is the "right to a good life", whether you work or not. That's European thinking, and is what's bringing us down.


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Maybe it needs to be explained why J. and Nancy said... GOVERNMENT CANNOT BE RUN LIKE A BUSINESS........

Something that Republicans would like you to believe. People should start to understand what your Government purpose is suppose to support. To continue to let Mitt boy tell you this and if you believe..... it makes you a fool.

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To help explain this is from an article from Forbes Money Magazine
"To say that governments should be run like businesses is to reveal ignorance about what either governments or businesses � or both � are.

Business
- exist to turn a profit. They provide goods and services to others only insofar as it is profitable to do so, and they will set prices in a way that ends up prohibiting a significant sector of the population from obtaining those goods and services. And that, of course, is fine, because they're businesses.

Government,
conversely, provide public goods and services things that we have determined are people's right to possess. This is inherently an unprofitable enterprise. Apple would not last long if it had to provide every American with an iPad."
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I do feel that our government has become corrupt by money so they cannot get anything done. Because if they do what is good for the people the corporation will not give them the money to run for office.

Think about that....People on the forums saying we have to balance the budget but do not raise taxes on the rich. Where do they think the budget will be balanced with?

Little Rich Boy Mitt has his money in another country. He is not concerned with giving any of his money going to tax dollars to balance the budget.

I could go on and on...But if anyone really cares about the budget do a search of how much taxes were before the Bush tax cut and how United States of America prospered.

Stop listening to the ads that the corporations are paying your government to tell you so you have a reason to hate and repeat like parrots that we have to balance the budget but do not tax the rich. "GET SMART READ - RESEARCH"


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The hell with the freedom and liberty we're supposed to have

I think that you don't understand who is behind the erosion of freedom and liberty and "the American dream".

Most people aren't out here for a free ride or taken over by "European thinking". But they would like a fair shake and a government that is not corrupted by the influence of money and the people behind the money. Stop using our resources to enrich the very few.

And the fact that joes like you think that the fault lies in the 99%'s demands for the "right to a good life", whether you work or not tells me that the poison is well placed.

Sure there are a few schmucks taking advantage of the welfare system ... but the problem lies with the rich businessmen taking advantage of the rule-making system.


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And they are "entitled" to get their contraception free!!


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They are entitled to get it as part of their healthcare coverage.


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Why esh? Explain that to me, where this entitlement comes from.


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Mrs, do you pay a premium for your health insurance?
I know your husband is a government worker.
My husband and I pay a pretty hefty monthly premium as do most people.
They ARE paying for their BC. It is not free.


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Why esh? Explain that to me, where this entitlement comes from.

Basic healthcare coverage should cover basic needs: well care visits, affordable co-pays, and prescription coverage. I feel that birth control for women falls under basic needs and is indeed part of well care coverage.

So not really an "entitlement" as you say - although I know that conservatives love to through that word around - but just part of the basic package. As chloe says, those of us that pay for healthcare coverage deserve to have good, affordable coverage.

Those are are legitimately qualified for coverage under programs like Medicare and Medicaid deserve the same.

It's time to set minimum standards of care and cost for all healthcare in America. You tell me why people are not entitled to THAT.


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It's time to set minimum standards of care and cost for all healthcare in America. You tell me why people are not entitled to THAT

The problem is, when you do this, you cause the cost of healthcare to go up, and a LOT. Tell me why we should force a single male to pay for health coverage that includes the cost of contraception? If I get fixed, with the intent of having no more children, why should I have to pay for contraception? The government has no business telling healthcare providers what they HAVE to cover, because all they do is inflate the cost. Then people want to complain about the cost, and root for government run healthcare instead.

Think about that....People on the forums saying we have to balance the budget but do not raise taxes on the rich. Where do they think the budget will be balanced with?

STOP SPENDING!! You balance a budget just like you would for your own personal finances. You CANNOT spend more than you make, and for the government to do so, and just keep raising taxes is un-American. Marquest, I'd like for you to explain at what income level do you think we should start raising the taxes, and at what percent. Then, I want to see your numbers. How much money will we gain, and put that against our annual deficit. You can't just sit here and say "raise the taxes on the rich" without first looking at how much you'd actually have to raise them, and who is considered "rich". Here's what I've found, with simple google searching: If you tax everyone making $114,000 or more at a 100% rate, you still wouldn't cover the annual budget deficit.

So, if you think raising taxes will fix our budget, please, by all means, enlighten me on how.


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Tell me why we should force a single male to pay for health coverage that includes the cost of contraception?

Why should I pay for someone with diabetes? Someone whose health is damaged by smoking? Someone born with skull deformities, someone with MS or Alzheimer's?

Does any of that make sense? Should we have cafeteria style choices where you can pick and choose? How expensive to manage is that?

When you simplify the system and pool the resources and the risks, costs go down. That is how all insurance works, not just health insurance.

I think when private enterprise runs amok like insurance has, everyone benefits when someone steps in and insists that everyone abide by a single set of rules. I don't want that to be government but the model is unsustainable the way it is now. And everyone the world over is proving just how much better the system can be. The US is a joke when it comes to healthcare.


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Joe, what tax rate do you think that someone making $150,000,000 a year, every year, off of dividends should pay?

I think he/she should pay around 30%. How about you? Because someone making $250,000 a year, working 60 hours a week, pays that rate.

Why should money managers, who use other peoples' money to invest, and then take a percentage of the profits, pay 15% income tax on the money the make? Thats called 'carried interest', and is how Mitt Romney pays around 13% income tax.

Do you think that someone working a part time, $9 an hour, 35 hr per week job with no benefits, but still paying 6% state income tax, Medicare and Social Security, any city/county income taxes, should pay the same federal income tax rate as someone making 100 million a year? That 'flat tax' thing?


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Well, Joe - look at it this way RE: paying for insurance coverage/contraceptives.

Lets say you get testicular cancer, a fast moving cancer which can be well treated for a whole lot of money which is covered by a common insurance polices we all have.

"Let's say you get testicular cancer......." being that I'm female, do you see where I'm going with this? You have to be able to think outside of the "me" box to understand the wisdom of paying for something you personally may never use -

- although I sure do think that your future girlfriend/wife/daughter will, for which you personally will find a benefit from.

No babies before you are ready, no more children when you have had enough, no grandchildren before your future daughter will be ready to make you a Grandpere either - and that I'm willing to pay the premiums necessary on my own full coverage for it to be standard coverage, ok? Just so you know.

I don't have a child in school anymore either - do I have to pay school taxes for your kid's school? What if I don't even believe in the idea of public education? Or in cancer treatment because my religion forbids such specific treatment?

We all live in this country, we all are responsible for each other's well being. If we begin to pick and choose who or what we want to help or not help as it benefits us personally, there will come a time when you and I are on the wrong side of the preference. To prevent that, we act as a, let us say, Seal Team 6 - all who takes care of each other.

That way nobody has pain which gets ignored as if unimportant.


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Joe, Really?

STOP SPENDING!! You balance a budget just like you would for your own personal finances."

I have already explained Business/Government. It cannot operate like you do you home/business finances. Not that simple. But if that is the only way you can understand I will try.....

You have to cut spending and bring in more revenue Tax (income)
Cut spending....
-Home..... stop eating chicken, steak, instead eat bread drink water.
-Government..... Stop the wars (defence), Oil, Farm subsidies, etc. Let the country fall apart, maybe let some more terrorist in to kill a few more people. Whatever you want the Government to stop spending.

You CANNOT spend more than you make, and for the government to do so, and just keep raising taxes is un-American.

Un American is not operating the government as intended, which is to provide service and protection for the American people. The truth is taxes have been going down.

"For most of the last three decades, tax rates for the wealthy have been falling, while their pretax pay has been rising rapidly. Real incomes at the 99.99th percentile have jumped more than 300 percent since 1980. At the 99th percentile � about $300,000 today � real pay has roughly doubled."

Marquest, I'd like for you to explain at what income level do you think we should start raising the taxes, and at what percent. Then, I want to see your numbers.

I am not an elected official so I cannot and will not attempt to explain to you how to balance the budget without all the bills that need to be paid.

But since as the saying goes make it simple stupid...

If the only way people can understand is to try to relate balancing the budget like they do with their finances or how a business does......

Simply tax "IS" income...
It is simple you cannot pay off a large debt without income coming in...so lower taxes,...not enough income coming in. If you quit your job no income... your debt will not be paid. Middle income is paying 30-35% tax above (rich) must pay the 30-35% also.

How long to pay off debt...
As in your home if you buy a house you do not pay it off in a year. It takes making more money to make larger payment on that debt over time.....or......you loss the home.

So Joe would you like to move to China when we lose our home the United States of America.

STOP SPENDING.....LOSE YOUR HOME. The debt is money owed for bills made. Spending will go on to run the country (your home).


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Government..... Stop the wars (defence), Oil, Farm subsidies, etc. Let the country fall apart, maybe let some more terrorist in to kill a few more people

This is left wing rhetoric. You simply listed some of the things you oppose. How about all the people in the US who pay NO taxes at all, and more important, how about the people who pay NO taxes, and get a REFUND!?!? Also, I don't quite grasp what your point is with the whole terrorist comment. I don't see how that relates to balancing a budget.

Un American is not operating the government as intended, which is to provide service and protection for the American people

I can agree with this. However, your idea of "providing services" is probably different than mine. It is not the government's job to give people everything they want. Take the whole contraception thing; sure, women have a right to have access to it, but since when does the government mandate that it's going to be free? Those who sit and call the rich greedy are typically the ones pushing for more free "services". So who is really greedy? The people who invest their own money and make it big, or those who don't invest anything, yet want the government to provide MORE free services, at the cost of others?

I am not an elected official so I cannot and will not attempt to explain to you how to balance the budget without all the bills that need to be paid

Yet you'll stand by your "tax the rich" plan, while not actually being able to explain how it would work. You can't call for increased taxes while not knowing how much to increase it, let alone how much money you think we need to soak "the rich" for. Also, you have to explain what constitutes a rich person. If you can't explain those things, you can't back up your "tax the rich" stance.

It is simple you cannot pay off a large debt without income coming in...so lower taxes,...not enough income coming in. If you quit your job no income... your debt will not be paid

This arguement can't hold water. The tax income IS coming in, just like the income from one's job. Saying "if you quit your job, no income" is like saying "if we end ALL taxes, no income". This isn't the case, because the money is still coming in, but we're spending more then we take in. To make a fair comparison, you'd have to, as personal finances go, demand a raise from your employer to make up for your budget deficit, thus increasing your intake. Obviously, you can't just do that, but yet that's what you think we should do on a federal level. We, as the paying employer of the federal government, shouldn't have to keep giving a raise to our employee, yet we have no choice when they do it.

How long to pay off debt...
As in your home if you buy a house you do not pay it off in a year. It takes making more money to make larger payment on that debt over time.....or......you loss the home

Firstly, you buy a home that is in your price range to start. You use your current income to pay down on it, and don't start taking out other loans, or start spending so much that you can't make your payment any longer. If you do, you lose your home. You can't be irresponsible with your spending, and then expect others to keep paying more and more.

STOP SPENDING.....LOSE YOUR HOME. The debt is money owed for bills made. Spending will go on to run the country (your home).

More wisely put would be "stop spending, OR lose your home". In our home's case, the debt is backed by the value of our house. You stop paying and lose it, the bank sells it to make up for it. What is backing the country's debt? Don't say gold, because that's not the case anymore. We've printed more money, with no gold to back it. We're now backed by US bonds, which are losing value very quickly. What happens when nobody will back our bonds anymore? Once we lose the people backing the dollar, it'll be worthless. It'll be the same as the banks no longer providing loans for you to pay your debt, and when the bills come due, you have no money to pay them. Your closing statment of "Spending will go on to run the country" is missing one letter. It should read "spending will go on to RUIN the country".


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  • Posted by lenam Fitzwalkerstan (My Page) on
    Fri, Mar 2, 12 at 19:25

How about all the people in the US who pay NO taxes at all, and more important, how about the people who pay NO taxes, and get a REFUND!?!?


"Even in the worst year of 'people not paying taxes,' approximately 40 percent of households don't pay federal income taxes, far short of the 50 percent claim.

"In normal years, it breaks down something like this:

"53.6 percent do pay taxes

"23.3 percent are either young people or destitute people

"10.2 percent are the elderly

"4.5 percent receive tax breaks that benefit the wealthy more than the poor and middle class

"8.4 percent are (for the most part) working class people and people with kids that are trying to improve their lot in life."

Here is a link that might be useful: Source


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Lenam, I have to say what you always say when I post a link. You need a better source, that one is slanted.

I don't care what the percentages are, but explain to me why it's a good idea to give a "refund", in some cases BIG amounts, when someone doesn't even pay in? Is that not giving away other people's money?

Also, you post a picture of some toddlers. What's your motive there? To rationalize the spreading of wealth? You should be more concerned about dead beat parents who use kids as a way to get free money. I know plenty, so saying that it's not true isn't going to work. I have relatives who get big welfare tax refunds and don't spend a dime on the kids. They go on a shopping spree, with MY money.


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  • Posted by lenam Fitzwalkerstan (My Page) on
    Fri, Mar 2, 12 at 19:56

I am putting a face on these greedy Americans who pay no taxes.

Do you really think toddlers should pay taxes?
24% of Americans are under 18 -- do you doubt that figure?

What about the elderly?
13% of Americans are over 65 -- do you doubt that figure?

Should disabled Americans pay taxes?
7% of Americans are disabled -- do you doubt that figure?

That adds up to 40%.


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First off, I'm more interested in the number of working age adults who pay taxes. Of course though, you are going by the percentage of ALL Americans, which will tilt the numbers. The sources you like to get your information from use these little tricks to fool people like you. It's quite obvious that if you lump in the non-working elderly, minors, and other groups unable to work, that you'll change the numbers in your favor.

Secondly, you are again dodging questions. Good idea to give a refund to people who don't pay in: good idea? Why?


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  • Posted by lenam Fitzwalkerstan (My Page) on
    Fri, Mar 2, 12 at 21:28

Joe1980: How about all the people in the US who pay NO taxes at all,

The quote is yours: all the people in the US

Now you want the I'm more interested in the number of working age adults who pay taxes

My source says: 65 million working age adults do not pay Federal Income taxes -- do you doubt that figure?

That would be 20% of the US population. Many still pay other taxes: payroll taxes, state taxes, sales taxes, etc.

There are plenty of reasons a person might not be earning enough to pay FEDERAL INCOME taxes. At least 10 million of these folks are unemployed. Social security income is exempt from Federal Income tax.

There may be quite a few who have income from capital gains rather than wages -- exempt from federal income tax.


Joe1980: and more important, how about the people who pay NO taxes, and get a REFUND!?!?

Are your referring to the Earned Income Tax Credit (EITC)?

EITC, the Earned Income Tax Credit, sometimes called EIC is a tax credit to help you keep more of what you earned. refundable federal income tax credit for low to moderate income working individuals and families. Congress originally approved the tax credit legislation in 1975 in part to offset the burden of social security taxes and to provide an incentive to work. When EITC exceeds the amount of taxes owed, it results in a tax refund to those who claim and qualify for the credit.

Here are the stats for 2011 from the IRS:

Earned Income and adjusted gross income (AGI) must each be less than:

$43,998 ($49,078 married filing jointly) with three or more qualifying children
$40,964 ($46,044 married filing jointly) with two qualifying children
$36,052 ($41,132 married filing jointly) with one qualifying child
$13,660 ($18,740 married filing jointly) with no qualifying children

Tax Year 2011 maximum credit:

$5,751 with three or more qualifying children
$5,112 with two qualifying children
$3,094 with one qualifying child
$464 with no qualifying children


Is THAT what you have a problem with?


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Lenam, I officially give up on you. In all the mumble jumble of your post, you managed to dodge the question yet again. I might as well argue with a wall, because I'll get the same results, only without the useless blabber.


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I don't care what the percentages are, but explain to me why it's a good idea to give a "refund", in some cases BIG amounts, when someone doesn't even pay in? Is that not giving away other people's money?

An idea from 1975. I don't why people thought it was a good idea then or why they still think it is now. As lenam said:

Congress originally approved the tax credit legislation in 1975 in part to offset the burden of social security taxes and to provide an incentive to work. When EITC exceeds the amount of taxes owed, it results in a tax refund to those who claim and qualify for the credit.

You seem to think that people here agree with it. All lenam is telling you is how and why it exists. I don't think she has to tell you why SHE thinks it is a good idea - maybe she doesn't. It just exists and has since 1975.


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Pushing the old(est) tax-lie.

There is a reason why those people don't pay any Federal income tax: They don't earn enough money. Simple as that.


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The way it looks from here, Lenam is offering facts, figures and sources... Joe is offering stereotypes.

If we want to pay down debt, then we need more revenue incoming. So, why is it that the tax cuts and subsidies to those who do not need them are still in place? That's a gigantic source of instant revenue.


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  • Posted by lenam Fitzwalkerstan (My Page) on
    Sun, Mar 4, 12 at 17:33

I simply present clarifying information.

I notice that some people choose to run from facts that get in the way of their world view.


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IS there a world view that narrow, Lenam? ;-)

Well... they can run, but they can't hide forever... eventually, reality catches up with us all.


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  • Posted by lenam Fitzwalkerstan (My Page) on
    Sun, Mar 4, 12 at 22:29

Correction noted:

"World view" = the lies repeated Ad nauseam on hate talk radio.

Here is a link that might be useful: From Anita Hill to Sandra Fluke, he's worse than you think


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