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Social Conservative Have Lower IQ

Posted by marquest z5 PA (My Page) on
Sat, Feb 4, 12 at 11:19

Any opinion?

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/bill-maher-opens-panel-discussion-with-study-suggesting-social-conservatives-have-lower-iqs/#disqus_thread

Bill Maher Opens Panel Discussion With Study Suggesting Social Conservatives Have Lower IQs

You can't get much more controversial in the world of American politics when you bring up the link between personal philosophies, intelligence, and prejudice. But that's exactly what happened earlier this week when a study found that low intelligence is connected to prejudice and social conservatism. On his show tonight, Bill Maher read the findings of the study and did not make any kind of strong editorial opinion on the subject, stating that he was "agnostic" about the results.


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I missed Maher... UFC was on.


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DH has been saying this for years.


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It has been pretty well established that rascism is a lower economic, and low educational segment of the population problem. But....I never thought about a party affiliation would also be included in that segment.

The Republican party seems to have gone through a change of so much hatred speech.


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Any opinion?

Yeah-- Maher can

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In other news:

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Bill-if you had thought just a moment you would not have reacted in a way that could be construed as proving the point-you are blaming the messenger.

First I will say that some of the most prejudiced people I have ever met were educated and comfortably off so that one is out the window. I have noticed that the expression of prejudice is likely to be different in different socio-economic brackets. Less educated people haven't learned the more subtle nuanced ways of expressing their prejudice.

In any case I have a different theory...I believe the social conservative lacks imagination and by lacking imagination also lacks empathy with those they dont know. I have noticed time and again that the social conservative when faced with the disadvantaged right under their noses(or well publicized on TV) are just as helpful and generous as anyone but when faced with just the idea of the disadvantaged dont seem to be able to make the connection to real people in trouble. I happen to have an excess of imagination and I am sure that is what makes me so extreemly liberal in my thinking..just a thought.


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If you listened for five minute to our local wing nut radio guy and his callers, you'd have to agree. Some of the callers seem transplanted from the Deliverance crowd with their double negatives, total outlandish and paranoid thoughts. Even the rabid host seemed taken back this week with some of the violent rhetoric. But really he can't say anything, because he said last year (mentioned by Keith Olbermann) that someone should bomb the NYTimes building. It would be a good thing.


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I'm agnostic on the results too.

It's been my view that one can be conservative and one can be extremist and neither of those persuasions exclude a bright person or a dull person.

-Ron-


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Turn it around this way and ask:

Are those who develop these qualities at an early age - an imagination and an open mind, more likely (than those who do not) to seek new information, alternate opinions, and have the desire and the ability to reason by putting preexisting beliefs, teachings and opinions aside?

Do those qualities increase the ability to challenge the beliefs and ideologies that may have been imprinted on one's mind during their youth ? Children often develop ideologies and develop phobias and illogical fears that stay with them all of their lives. The fact is that children have not fully developed their intellectual and reasoning ability and have limited thought processes and life experience, yet it is very easy to imprint them with ideology, including, I hate to say, strong religious beliefs.

I do not blame people who limit their own potential to reason because the mechanism that prevents them from doing that was imprinted on them in their youth when they had no choice.
It is sad to see so many of them as adults, always trying to rationalize, excuse and pseudo-intellectualize their strongly held beliefs as though they have developed them by reason rather than through the ideologies, fears and phobias that were imprinted on their brains long ago.

That sure turns the "Conservative" label into a real negative as it should be, It really is synonymous with closed-minded, ideological and unfortunately for many, it has severely retarded their ability to reason and to discuss issues.


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That sure turns the "Progressive" label into a real negative as it should be, It really is synonymous with a close minded arrogance that their views are the only ethical and only correct ones,and unfortunately for many, it has severely retarded their ability to reason and to discuss issues.


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I have heard about the study but think it has taken good data but reached a conclusion about "Intelligence" that insults rather than informs...although there obviously are some useful correlations that can be drawn..

Actually we do not need a study to conclude that one who has been imprinted with strict religious beliefs and ideologies that limit their ability to have an open mind and to reason outside that framework are going to grow up dumber than they would have otherwise.
The know-it-all attitudes of Fox and hate radio listeners just proves the point.


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I found this on a blog, and I thought it so fitting for the other side of the coin.

"Progressivism is a bit of a religious experience , everything is politics and politics is everything. And when they got to be in charge, to control the levers and the power of government, liberals would show everyone just what "hope and change"really meant. Equality, social justice. Things would be fixed. The rich would be brought down, business would be forced to stop preying on poor people just to make a profit. Profit would no longer be allowed. Life would be fair.

Of course they have tripled the deficit that Obama claims daily was left to him by George W. Bush. They have really, really tried to fix the economy. They have paid people to buy cars, purchase homes, pay off their mortgages, weatherize their homes and put solar panels on their roofs. And it didn't work. And the liberals are furious because the conservatives , disagreed."


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What a HOOT!, mrskjun. There hasn't been a Progressive in charge of much in Washington, much less in Obama's House.

I know Progressives and could tell you about their great dissatisfaction with the current administration.

Your problem is too much knee-jerkism and not enought clarity in choice of perjoratives.


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I beg to differ marshall. Progressive liberal would fit a lot of posters on this forum. And Obama can be described as nothing else.


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so...there are unprogressive liberals around too? Or, non-progressive liberals?


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That smear won't work. The opposite of Progressive is still Regressive, not conservative.

Their new motto:

"Yeah I'm a Regressive and proud of it!"

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Actually we do not need a study to conclude that one who has been imprinted with strict religious beliefs and ideologies that limit their ability to have an open mind and to reason outside that framework are going to grow up dumber than they would have otherwise.
The know-it-all attitudes of Fox and hate radio listeners just proves the point.

The keyword here is authoritarian. Though not all people who had to grow up in this environment stay that way, those who do might have differing motives:

Here is a link that might be useful: Take your pick.


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mrskjun, I am not a Conservative so I am not aware of what they teach. But I hear a lot coming from the Conservatives of Obama did not do this and Obama did that.

I ask are you ready for the truth? Would you accept proof if it is presented? I can show you sites that are not Republican or Democrat that have the figures of what is actually true.

If someone chooses to believe what others tell them and do not seek the truth then it is because they have a lower IQ and they can only believe what someone has told them and facts do not matter.

It is your choice. If you are comfortable without question and believe then sit in comfort.

Balls in your court.... State what you think Obama has done or not done specifically.

But I ask that you start your thinking more in line with our President is not a dictator. There is a Congress and Senate that have to approve what comes out in the end. You can even see where a Republican voted for something that you may even be holding a Democrat President (Obama) as doing. Congress writes the bills. Not the President. Would you like the program then?


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  • Posted by vgkg 7-Va Tidewater (My Page) on
    Sat, Feb 4, 12 at 17:19

"Of course they have tripled the deficit that Obama claims daily was left to him by George W. Bush."

Really Mrskjun? Bush handed over the tarp costs to Obama in his 2009 budget, easy to blame Obama I guess. And don't let the 2008 figure fool ya, Bush's war costs were swept under the rug for years until Obama took responsibility for them.

Recent US Federal Deficit Numbers
Obama Deficits.......vs.......Bush Deficits
FY 2012: $1,101 billion...FY 2009: $1,413 billion
FY 2011: $1,299 billion...FY 2008: $459 billion
FY 2010: $1,293 billion...FY 2007: $161 billion


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kjunfloyd

Instead of getting so defensive, try to read and understand the points that I made.
You cannot deny that children are often indoctrinated at an early age with religious beliefs or that phobias and illogical fears get imprinted on people when they are children.
That is just basic psychology and child development.

Ill give an example from a recent thread here where a poster provided some anecdotes about " black on white crime."
Let's say someone was exposed to that at an early age or was told about that or continually warned about it and developed some fear about people of color and some degree of animosity .
Those feelings often travel with a person as they develop and grow and certain defense mechanisms perpetuate those inner feelings.


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Oh, I got your point.
I always do.

People that witness more of one thing than another group of people do tend to give more weight to their personal experiences and the incidents in their communities rather than what some liberal across the country tells them.

You know, am I going to believe those people who don't see and live what I do or am I going to believe my lying eyes?

The child "indoctrinated with God" is no less swayed into viewing social issues only one way any more than the one "indoctrinated with atheism."

Both lend a particular perspective and neither end of the spectrum squelches imagination, reduces intelligence, or causes one to be superior to the other in human nature, compassion, or integrity.


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Let's see. According to marquest. Am I to believe it is congress, who was democratic the last two years of the Bush presidency and the first two years of Obama's presidency? Or according to vgkg, it is all President Bush's fault? Pick a door, any door that suits.


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I find it offensive to have a "study" that determines ignorance. It doesn't help anything except division.

I do think racists are ignorant, and I don't need a study to prove it. Just let a racist speak.


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There may be some on this board following a faulty lexicon. There is a difference between being stupid and being perverse.


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Bill-if you had thought just a moment you would not have reacted in a way that could be construed as proving the point

Pat-- NO!! Ya think??? Step back for a moment and really look at my post. You don't think for maybe just a second that might be WHY I posted what I did?

DAMN!!


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I wouldn't put much weight into a study with such broad generalizations. Further, most peoples' political affiliations and views change, at least somewhat, throughout their lives and I believe one's IQ remains consistent.


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Well... to begin with, the definition of PROGRESSIVE is: Moving forward; advancing. Promoting or favoring progress toward better conditions or new policies, ideas, or methods.

A few random synonyms of PROGRESSIVE are: enlightened, modern, liberal, enterprising, dynamic, forward-looking...

The most often used antonym of PROGRESSIVE is: regressive.

The definition of REGRESSIVE is: Tending to return or revert. Characterized by regression or a tendency to regress.

And the most used synonym of REGRESS(IVE) is: backwards.

Conservative is the wrong word to place opposite Progressive.

By definition, CONSERVATIVE means: Favoring traditional views and values; tending to oppose change. Traditional or restrained in style. A person who is reluctant to change or consider new ideas; conformist.

The most commonly used antonym for CONSERVATIVE is: liberal.

A few random synonyms for CONSERVATIVE are: conformist, hardliner, traditionalist, conventional, reactionary.

The definition of LIBERAL is: Not limited to or by established, traditional, orthodox, or authoritarian attitudes, views, or dogmas; free from bigotry. Favoring proposals for reform, open to new ideas for progress, and tolerant of the ideas and behavior of others; broad-minded. Tending to give freely; generous.

A few synonyms of LIBERAL are: tolerant, enlightened, open-minded, unbiased, flexible, humanistic, unstinting, altruistic.

Antonyms would include: conservative, intolerant, inflexible.

Today's language lesson... in case anyone is confused by the terms or words, and what they each mean.

But that aside... I think there are definitely different mindsets at play between conservatives and liberals, in general... although, it would not be accurate to box every single individual into a specific preset definition of one or the other... because there are extremes, and many, many levels and variables in between.

I believe that to answer Heri's query... sort of... I'm living proof that a person can be indoctrinated from infancy to follow a certain set of beliefs, only to shrug them off later in life as critical thought and rationale develop and independent thought is allowed into the mind. From the time I was a child, it was always noted that I had an independent streak, if you will, and was quite imaginative and creative, and a little bit stubborn, immovable when it came to certain things... like my code of honor. So... make of that what you will.

I'm not the least bit ashamed to admit that I don't know everything, and I'll continue learning and changing how I see things until I expire. I'm also able to freely admit that I'm not perfect, I do make mistakes, and I have no issue with taking credit for those mistakes... hopefully, learning from them so they're not repeated.

I do think, however, when the mind is closed off through the following of a set doctrine, there is little critical thought, and the process stagnates. Adding more ideology is easy, because it requires no critical processing.

I run into more and more people that act like they know everything there ever was to know, and therefore, can't possibly learn or be taught anything new... and for some reason I don't grasp, are unable to admit fault, or that they are imperfect. If caught in a mistake, they will wriggle, squirm, lie, and do everything within their power to make the other person believe they are not at fault... even if you saw them make the mistake, and they were caught red-handed. This sort of behavior completely baffles me.



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mrskjun

Let's see. According to marquest. Am I to believe it is congress, who was democratic the last two years of the Bush presidency and the first two years of Obama's presidency? Or according to vgkg, it is all President Bush's fault? Pick a door, any door that suits.


No.....I said pick a topic that you disagree. Throwing out this party and that party did this and that does not resolve the issue. Unless as I said you are comfortable where you sit without the facts.


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This thread took a nastily partisan turn really quickly, is the deficit really that relevant to the OP. Standing in judgment of people who seems as though they starred in Deliverance is a common smart Alec view. Emphasis on staying tight with ones family and being suspicious of anything that may cause them even more discomfort is a common response among the scared and disenfranchised and the less intelligent. Aren't these the Social Conservatives? The politicians who know this simple fact come into the picture around election time to exploit them.


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paulines, I happen to agree with you. I voted democrat most of my life. I'm still socially liberal for the most part. But definitely fiscally conservative. So maybe that just makes me of average intelligence lol.


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I hate these gimmicks!Auburn Libertarians are more likely to be serial killers than Brunette Socialist workers!


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"In the study, researchers used two forms of intelligence tests and a series of statements to measure social conservative attitudes statements like "family life suffers if mum is working full-time" and "schools should teach children to obey authority," LiveScience reported. From there, they captured attitudes about race using statements such as "I would't mind working with people from other races." Researchers found a correlation between having a low intelligence in childhood and holding prejudicial attitudes in adulthood, and the relationship linking the two was social conservatism. In a second data set, researchers also found a link between poor abstract reasoning skills and homophobia.

It's important to note that the study refers to social conservatism, not political conservatism, and Hodson pointed out the researchers weren't implying that all liberals are smart and conservatives are dumb.

"There are multiple examples of very bright conservatives and not-so-bright liberals, and many examples of very principled conservatives and very intolerant liberals," he said."

Here is a link that might be useful: link


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Deep seated, irrational fear is something that is most often acquired during ones early childhood. That is when children are most susceptible to them because their intellect and experience are not fully developed.

For those who have been exposed to certain irrational fears, such as racism, of course those children will be more likely to harbor those irrational fears and carry them through into adulthood.

Similarly, if a child is indoctrinated with religious belief that child ,
will likely find it difficult to question that belief. That is because it becomes foundational. and predates their adulthood experiences, rationality and ability to reason. It becomes an immovable and permanent circuit in their brain.

Now, we come to conservatism generally which to most people signifies a tendency or desire to preserve established ideas, establishments, religious belief, political opinion, etc.
Isn't it obvious why most conservatives are those who, as children were indoctrinated with religion and in some cases a strict upbringing that molded them into who they are?

It is also true and unfortunate that phobias and irrational fear (including fear of race) acquired during childhood years are things that travel with most people for the rest of their lives.

The more dogma and ideology and fear that is packed into a child's brain has to have some impact on the development of
their reasoning ability as well as their tendency to be open minded.

Sorry to wax psychological here, but it is what it is, and you are who and what you are. And you know which events and people influenced you during childhood years, helped to form your core beliefs and maybe even contributed to some irrational fear or phobia if you are unfortunate enough to have carried such a burden during your life.


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Ok bi, I take it back-I was trying to...well never mind.


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Heri says:

"Similarly, if a child is indoctrinated with religious belief that child will likely find it difficult to question that belief. That is because it becomes foundational. and predates their adulthood experiences, rationality and ability to reason. It becomes an immovable and permanent circuit in their brain."

Read above, Heri... I had that circuit chip removed. :-)


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hmmm heri..what happened to liberals..no stimuli at all?


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  • Posted by vgkg 7-Va Tidewater (My Page) on
    Sun, Feb 5, 12 at 9:37

"Or according to vgkg, it is all President Bush's fault?

mrskjun, Good grief, there's a huge difference in blaming Bush (of which I was not doing) and pointing out the error in your statement about Obama tripling Bush's last deficit in office. Tis' you who are "Pick a door, any door that suits.


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vgkg, donchaknow that it is either all Obama's fault or Democrat-dominated Congresses' fault from years back. Part of the Bush victimology meme.


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Wow. All I can say is wow. I'm not going to get in on this arguement, because again, it'll go nowhere.

However, in repsonse to the original post, which is about a "study" that is quite obviously biased. That study is a load of garbage, and Bill Maher knows it, but loves that kind of stuff. I think everyone here knows its garbage too, but again, loves these kind of "studies". Let's say a story came out that said "study shows that democrats have less work ethic and would rather loaf than get a job". It'd be quite obvious that the study is a load of garbage, like the subject "study". I think even I would just leave it alone, and surely not post it here, because I would know it's not even remotely fair.


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I wonder what the average IQ is of the highly educated, but socially conservative (and sometimes racist) Chinese?

And if we're going to generalize, I'll bet that there is an equally group of low IQ folks who vote democrat because they are too stupid to figure out how to support themselves.
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Do we REALLY want to go there? Do you see where this kind of stereotyping leads?


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The only problem with the theory being advanced about childhood religious programming is that most of the liberals I know (and including myself) had very intensive religious training (attempted brain-washing?) as children. When we rejected that programming, we became dedicated liberals--although I'm not sure which is the chicken and which is the egg--or even that "liberal" describes all my positions.

Maybe this is just true of the liberals I hang out with?

Kate


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Obviously liberals are the smart ones. Just think about all those students from low IQ conservative homes who owe their college admission to Affirmative Action.


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I can see that a few people missed reading the original material where no study of partisanship seems to have occurred.


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Afraid to embrace that elephant?

"Partisanship" was just the unspoken "elephant" in the room.


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When was the last time anybody administered or took an IQ test? I never have, my kids never have, I don't know anyone who has.


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The public school system here administers partial tests to students in Grade 3. If the student shows high scores they do full IQ tests to identify them as gifted students and give the parents the oppotunity to have them in gifted programs.

On the other side, if students show very low scores they also contact the parents to discuss forms of special needs help that may be available. But I don't believe they do the actual full IQ test on the children in this group.


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During my Junior year in HS (ca. 1953-4) we took the IQ test of the time. I took another one ten years later as part of a research project. None of my kids were tested. There is the matter of possible destruction of self-esteem if you are tested out as a moron. In my case, the HS suddenly took a special interest in pushing me in college-bound curriculum.


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It's ovious that the voice of the right in the U.S., as represented by the Republican Party, the Tea Party, Fox and the rightwing radio shockcasters panders to those with lower IQ's. Whether or not the tactic is successful is up to conservatives to decide.


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Just think about all those students from low IQ conservative homes who owe their college admission to Affirmative Action.
(obviously you have thought about it burn much?)


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This thread provoked alot of "Yeah but here is something bad about Progressives" and other statements with no relevance to the study and VERY little attempt to debunk the subject of the OP which would actually be quite easy for someone with oh lets say a high enough IQ.


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nina..You're right. Some of the garbage Fox, Rush, Hannity,Beck, dish out only panders to the dumber people among us. If your IQ is only normal, you're smart enough to debunk the propaganda.


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Because kt, the study debunks itself. Political parties or ideologies have no IQ. Only people do. There are brilliant minds on both sides of the political spectrum. And there are so many variables as to why people vote the way they do. One example, would be the black population. Generally very socially conservative, yet vote predominately democrat. Do they have a lower IQ because they are socially conservative? Or do they have a higher IQ because they generally vote for liberal candidates?


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mrskjun askes a great question, and makes a great point that the study debunks itself. I've never believed in these sorts of studies, and just about any "poll". There is too many variables involved. Most all studies and polls claim not to be partisan, but whether or not the attempt was there, they can be. For example, take a poll or do a study in a big city, and you're likely to have results that sway left. Take your study/poll to a small rural community, and you are likey to get results swayed to the right.

For those of you saying that talk radio, fox news, and the many names you listed, are tuned to people with a low IQ, I am going to ask what you always ask of me and others with a right side opinion: let's see the facts to back that up. Nina and lily, I am curious to know where you got your information on those "facts". It strikes me as odd because conservative radio show ratings far exceed those of liberal radio shows, which explains why NPR needs subsidies. Fox news blows away MSNBC, CNN, and other left leaning news outlets as far as ratings are concerned. If you asked people to name a conservative radio show host, most can name at least one. Ask people to name a liberal radio show host, and I suspect you get a blank stare.

So, with all that said, do you REALLY believe what you said, that all these shows are aimed at people with a low IQ? Is what you watch and/or listen to aimed at the people with a high IQ? How do you know? It sounds to me like you are liberal, and just don't like conservatives and the news that caters to them.


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"Do they have a lower IQ because they are socially conservative?" OR

Are they a Social Conservatives because they have a low IQ?

Remember the OP Mrs and stick to the word usage unless socially conservative = Social Conservative in your book.


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Fixed news has one of the lowest ratings (thank the gods) and its viewers are actually less informed than those who don't watch any news at all.

Low-IQ = social-conservative, while that is certainly true for a certain segment of this demographic, there must another reason/common denominator, the missing link, so to speak. I think this thread is directly linked to the threads on brain function.

Marquest--I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for an answer.


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ink, I beg your pardon....I'll rewrite that for you....do they have a lower IQ because they are social conservatives, or do the have a higher IQ because they vote democrat?

Oh maddie...please, hold your breath!!


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Joe, Joe, Joe.......You poor Social Conservative

"If you asked people to name a conservative radio show host, most can name at least one. Ask people to name a liberal radio show host, and I suspect you get a blank stare".

That statement proves the point of a Social Conservative. .A Low IQ Social Conservative would not be able to name a Liberal host. They cannot watch, listen, read beyond what they are told to believe.

You are so right someone with a Higher IQ would know all the issues before making a decision. If you only believe watch and are aware of only one side what do you have to compare who and what you should follow.

I will make this simple so you can understand.....

Social Conservative---Can name Only can name Fox hosts

Liberal---- Can name Both Fox and Liberal Host (Why??? because with a higher IQ they want to know both sides before they decide what path to take) I know novel idea but Liberals can read have open minds.

It has been said many times here. If you are trained to be a certain way and you are not exposed to things you have no frame of reference only what you are taught.


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To get to the actual methods and procedures used in the trial, you have to click through the op link to another link, then to another.

The study talks about racism/homophobia and intelligence level. Not how you vote or where you get your news from. And concludes with:

Prejudice is of particular interest because understanding the roots of racism and bias could help eliminate them, Hodson said. For example, he said, many anti-prejudice programs encourage participants to see things from another group's point of view. That mental exercise may be too taxing for people of low IQ.

"There may be cognitive limits in the ability to take the perspective of others, particularly foreigners," Hodson said. "Much of the present research literature suggests that our prejudices are primarily emotional in origin rather than cognitive. These two pieces of information suggest that it might be particularly fruitful for researchers to consider strategies to change feelings toward outgroups," rather than thoughts.


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(obviously you have thought about it burn much?)
Being a stupid conservative, I can't make heads nor tails of the above sentence. It's incoherent.


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Lol, doesn't anyone understand that one's IQ would be primarily determined by their parents and have little to do with their standing on social issues?

Think of some of the historical baddies...most were highly intelligent, if not geniuses.


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marquest, I agree that liberals can name a whole plethera of talk show hosts, on both sides. Is it because they listen to the points from the right leaning ones? Absolutely not. It's because liberals hate them so much, that they just can't forget them. I often tune into the lefty radio stations to see what the topics are, typically when Rush is on, because, surprise, I don't really care to listen to Rush, not my style. Anyway, here in Wisconsin, when I go to the lefty stations, all I hear, literally, is how Scott Walker is Hitler. I hear literally NO facts, just hatred. I only listen until I start throwing up in my mouth a little, then I turn on music. Take John Sly Sylvester, a liberal talk raio host in Madison, for example. His idea of a good radio show is to make fun of Lt. Governer Rabecca Kleefisch's colon cancer, and say that she performed fellacio to get elected. Now that's radio for the high IQ folks.


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But you don't understand Joe, liberals don't have time to listen to the liberal talk shows. They are too busy monitoring the conservative talk shows. I never listen to Rush, or watch Glen Beck, but I always know what they say. I read it right here, posted by a liberal.


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My husband took an IQ test while in college, sometime back in the 1980's, scoring well enough to be considered genius. Though he, himself, considers them to be rather subjective, depending upon variants.

There are websites claiming to give free "accurate" IQ tests, and I'm sure you can find tests online for which a hefty fee is charged... though how legitimate, or whether or not IQ tests are an accurate measure of intelligence is open to debate, according to what I'm reading.

It all depends on what types and groups of questions are involved, how they are scored, etc.

But what some people do not seem to understand is that you can't take two boxes, mark one conservative... the other liberal... and shove people into them, with those being the only two choices... and then on top of that, label one as dumb on the whole.

I'd hazard a guess that there are quite a few unintelligent liberals... just as there are conservatives that aren't too bright, as well.

There's an extreme at each end of the political spectrum, and too many levels and variables in between to stand firm on a stereotype of which political persuasion contains persons of the lowest IQ, as a whole... unless you belong in the lower IQ end of your own persuasion to begin with. Get it?


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Marquest is exactly right on. Liberals watch and listen to both sides. Now I'll admit I would never turn my personal TVs to Fox..don't even know what channel it is, but sometimes I tune it in at the gym on the treadmill because I couldn't be more bored. Shepard Smith is okay, but the blonde sarcastic bimbos all blend together are mostly dumber than dirt . They just spew the talking points of the day. Bash Obama. If you miss Beck, turn on Rush..it's all the same blather. Hannity and Beck didn't even graduate college while Rachael Maddow has her doctorate from Oxford.. OReilly is a putrid mess and has baggage as bad as Newt and the toe sucking Dick Morris tries every day to get even with the Clintons for dumping him.

A few months ago there was a blip on the news which to me was a riot. People who watch Fox news are less informed than people who watch none at all...Maddie, help. A link?


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I would think that anyone who only watched, read, listened, to one news outlet, would be somewhat misinformed.

I remember posting the degrees of those "bimbos" on FOX before. Several are attorneys, one has a doctorate in political science, all have degrees of one kind or another.


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And they are definitely to busy to read in depth through OP links, as David52 has done.

The inflamatory phrase is "low IQ social conservative" which works similarly to a raw flank steak thrown over a junk yard fence guarded by abused dogs.

I repeat: there is little to this study about Republican and Democratic personalities, except though some bad cases of self-identification with certain traits described in the OP.


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Marshall, you are right. I will admit....My purpose of the title and the post was for a heated discussion. But what I hoped is it would lead both sides to take a look at the reasons for their support one way or the other.

Only when people get angry or defensive will they attempt to research and dig to find the answers. I am well aware that there are Lower IQ of both Liberal and Social Conservative people. But if you get people that have a higher IQ my hope was that they would come to a informed decision of their conviction vs what they are told to believe.

By the way....There is also a study that the people that watch Fox news only are less informed. lol.

"Dickinson University in New Jersey showed that of all the news channels out there, Fox News viewers are the least informed."

Here is a link that might be useful: Watch Fox News--Least Informed.


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marquest, we have had recent OP's on these topic so all you seem to be accomplishing is hardening the partisan arteries of some posters. Minds are unlikely to cangesaaaa.


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Mrskjun, you don't even need to stretch that far to debunk it. In fact the study doesn't conclude what is even being debated here. Just cut through the noise of the debate and look at what the study concludes - it finds a correlation between low intelligence in childhood and low reasoning skills and prejudice as an adult. It says NOTHING about politics, political conservatives, Republican adults, Republican adults who are prejudiced, or even all social conservatives. I'm wondering why any conservative is even owning the topic and debating this other than the fact that Maher discussed it.

Maher is extending the findings of the study beyond what the authors recommend to make a ideological point. Certainly there is plenty of "grist" in this study and others cited here by liberals to fuel a far ranging opinionated debate of conservative politics, but the study by itself offers nothing in the way of confirmation of Maher's opinion.


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The only important thing to remember is that labels and opinions of others do not define anyone.

A confident person with a purpose of life, determination and hard work, can set goals, accomplish them and excel in life regardless of what Bill Maher ways about them.

Who cares how anyone labels you, particularly on this little forum?


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Kingturtle, that is not a true statement.

Read this article. If you google the subject, there have been several studies, and in several countries. It is not a man made Bill Mahr topic.

It is as I said why do we not deal in fact?

Here is a link that might be useful: Cognitive Ability


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"Hannity and Beck didn't even graduate college while Rachael Maddow has her doctorate from Oxford."

Lily, what does whether a person graduated from college have to do with their IQ? As I stated on another thread, Education doesn't equal Intelligence. I've known people with doctorates that made me wonder how they found their way to work each day while on the other hand some of the most intelligent/successful people I've met had no college; some didn't even finish high school. Don't get me wrong, I am all for kids going on to a college education but I'm also aware that Intelligence is in no way reflected by the education you manage to acquire.

Demi said: "A confident person with a purpose of life, determination and hard work, can set goals, accomplish them and excel in life regardless of what Bill Maher ways about them."

Thank you Demi. My point exactly.


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I am therefore I think I think!


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Marquest, I am not a big defender of Republicans on this forum - I am generally more in line with your position, but as a scientist, I have to say honestly that people are reading MORE into these studies than they support. First of all, I'm not high on arguments about IQ which is not an unbiased measure - most liberals would reject outright an argument based on IQ comparing black students with white students. We already know IQ is racially biased and it may well be ideological biased. Secondly and most important, these studies indicate something about the study population (kids with low IQ's, etc.) - its where folks extend it beyond to a broader group (all Republicans) that you leave fact and enter opinion.

People are going to have the debate and others based on their opinions whether the science supports it or not. My point was directed at conservatives who I think too often (at least on this forum) could do a better job of countering studies like this by looking at what the study says not what people extrapolate from it.

From your link:

It is important to emphasize that the authors do not posit an independent direct causal connection between low I.Q. and more reactionary attitudes towards race and homosexuality. Rather, they start out with a model where low cognitive ability people are drawn (or remain in) to conservative orientation, and this is further correlated with these specific racial and sexual attitudes.


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What are we to make of liberals who grow up in solidly Democrat homes, who achieve higher levels of education than their liberal parents, and eventually switch from liberalism to conservatism? Something caused their IQs to drop. But what? Education? Experience? Unknown illness or injury? How is it possible to have a genetically superior intellect in youth, only to end up with a low IQ in later life?


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marquest,

Surely!, there must have been a better way to get a discussion going than this. Offending people doens't make them "dig deeper"; your method only serves to give you less credibility. I hope you think more deeply about your hypothesis, next time you want to post.

-Robin


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The opposite happened to me. I grew up in a very conservative Republican home until I went off to college. While there my horizons broadened from the mostly provincial ways of my small town, and I guess I began to grow my IQ with the help of the liberal faculty who are indoctrinating our youth all across the country. . ..lol


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This is a low IQ thread and I'm surprised it's lasted this long.

-Ron-


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Rob, your comment needs some thought. Read my post...I did not offer an opinion originally. I posted the info and a link only. I did not offer an opinion. The thought should be why did people get offended?

The only time I can be offended is if.....One I feel the description fits, or two I cannot in my heart deny the description fits.

That was the point read the articles....draw your own opinion. It says some negative things about Liberals also. But instead many immediately jumped into "How dare you call me Stupid" or "I hate Democrats". Never thought to read, research and get some clarity or meaning of the study. The topic did not say Democrat, Republican, Bush, Obama had a low IQ. But.......thing that make you say hum!

The first thing that occurs to me when I see a study like this would be....... I am not stupid nor do I have a low IQ so the study does not include me but I want to read how they came to this conclusion. But that is me. Others may have thought they needed to defend their IQ.


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lily, the same thing happened to me.


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Guys,
IQ doesn't change. Ever. Education may broaden your horizons, but IQ is the same from day one until you die. Not to mention, the items by which you're gauging it, don't define IQ.

marquest,
Your title alone is offensive. Find a better way to say it OBJECTIVELY, and you might get different answers. You were poking the bear, and it was your intention. You got growling. Go figure. That can come from high or low IQ folks. It's called ire. And I am not socially conservative, so I'm only offended at the way this was addressed. From my point of fairly objective point of view.


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Rob the title of the post was the title of the article. Find a better way of saying it objectively????? Are you saying.....change the title of the article. Thing that make you say. Hummm I stand by my comments.......Read, research and understand there will not be any offense.

If it does not quack it is not a duck.


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"Others may have thought they needed to defend their IQ."

Nah. After you've hung around here a while, you'll see that being accused of stupidity is a fairly common occurrence for conservatives.

How my conservative friends and I manage to remain cheerful and afloat in these tough times, given our low IQs, is the great mystery for me. Somebody really ought to do a study on how folks like us manage to go happily from one day to the next while the smart peoples' lives are filled with unmet needs, demands and disappointments.

"The first thing that occurs to me when I see a study like this would be....... I am not stupid nor do I have a low IQ so the study does not include me but I want to read how they came to this conclusion. But that is me."

The first thing that occurs to me with any study is to read the title. In fact, that's what I did. That's how I knew right off the bat that what the author said, and what you claim he said, are two different things. But that's just me. Would you like to submit the author's actual title now? Or are you sticking with the one you wrote yourself?


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Nik, my thoughts exactly.

The title of the thread says more about this liberal mind than conservatives, though.


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The title of the thread says more about this liberal mind than conservatives, though.

AMEN!


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Aren't Social Conservatives (note capital 'C') a sub set, i.e. a particular type of Conservative (note capital 'C')? This sub set may be equally at odds with Conservatives (note capital 'C') in general as they are with Liberals (note capital 'L') in general simply because they are extreme.

If we rid ourselves of the capital 'C' and talk about conservatism isn't it possible that some Liberals (note capital 'L')are conservative. When you polarize the population so that we have not Liberal and Conservative but right and wrong you are bound to come up with reports such as this together with its defenders and its detractors none of it based on reason.

The enmity between right and left is a distracting pantomime that obscures the vision. Fear is the key and the reason why we can't "all just get along."

FDR's most famous quote goes "the only thing we have to fear is fear itself;nameless, unreasoning, unjustified terror which paralyzes needed efforts to convert retreat into advance" you can read the rest below.

Here is a link that might be useful: fear


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