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Obamacare an issue for 2014?

Posted by mrskjun 9 (My Page) on
Sat, Feb 22, 14 at 12:56

Seems some democrats would rather it not be. Even to the point that Gary Peters, Democrat from Michigan, has threatened the licenses of local stations for running anti Obamacare ads.

Here is a link that might be useful: link


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RE: Obamacare an issue for 2014?

Where's the threat to licenses, mrsk? Here is the letter...

Here is a link that might be useful: What threat?


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The patient in the ad makes a bogus claim that Obamacare (specifically Peters vote for it) "jeopardized my health."
Of course, for patients with cancer, illness and pre-existing conditions, Obamcare contains regulations which do just the opposite - they prevent private health insurance companies from killing people by refusing to cover, to refuse to reinstate policies after illness or to rescind existing coverage.
The Fox-fed anti-Obamacare ads are so full of lies like this one that they have now lost credibility with all but their reactionary base. These Right Wing Fox drones refuse to admit that they are against the well supported and long overdue regulations in Obamacare . Meanwhile they keep pounding on Obamacare as as a Socialist or Communist program. They are madder than he111 the law provides subsidies for those with proven low income to get a government subsidy to assist them in purchasing health insurance. That is what it is all about so why can't they just say that rather than beating around the Bush with asinine ads and inappropriate attacks on the President and on Hillary.

Yes, once more time they employ their tried and true tactic, the Southern Strategy, i.e., "why should I pay for the ____ so that they can have free health care."

Just admit that you have what you need, so to he11 with the rest.


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Remember jmc01, the source linked in the OP is the Washington Examiner.


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Then Rep. Gary Peters, who is the running for the U.S. Senate in Michigan, went all-in Friday, having his lawyers send a letter to a Michigan television station citing the Post in demanding that AFP provide more evidence that Obamacare is as terrible as it really is. Mr. Peters’ lawyers wrote that “Unlike federal candidates, independent political organizations” ��" and by extension, Ms. Boonstra ��" don’t have a “right to command use of broadcast facilities.” They clinched with a threat that airing the ad could “be cause for the loss of a station’s license.”

Here is a link that might be useful: link


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RE: Obamacare an issue for 2014?

  • Posted by momj47 7A..was 6B (My Page) on
    Sat, Feb 22, 14 at 13:56

So, you think it might be a good idea to REPEAL the ACA and take health insurance away from millions of people who will have it by the end of the year?

Explain how that will work.

Is it for their own good? Do you think they will understand.

Tell that to my DD, SIL and grandchildren who now have affordable health insurance that doesn't have a $20,000 deductible.

I'm sure they'll understand that it's for the good of the GOP.

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I guess good health isn't actually a family value. That would explain why he's opposed to access to health care.


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Another I've got mine to heck with the rest of you huh mom? For every one story of those who have done well with the ACA, there are a thousand who have been hurt. And it has mostly been those that paid for health insurance before the ACA. 3.3 million have signed up for ACA, most who didn't have insurance to begin with and 5 million lost the insurance they were already paying for. Does that even sound equitable?


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Since when is reiterating there is an obligation to protect the public from false, misleading, and deceptive advertising a threat? Please reread the Peters letter and pause on the cited licensee obligations - noting that the failure to adhere "may" result in license revocation. Seems more a statement of the obvious than a threat. But then, I lean liberal. But then, this should be viewed through the lens of common sense not Obamacare hatred.


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"For every one story of those who have done well with the ACA, there are a thousand who have been hurt. "

Really? Hyperbole much?


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Maybe resolve when the dollar tanks.

Not a joke...opinion post on opinion forum.

DD


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Mrs, what are you going to say if the Senate goes to the GOP and they don't repeal the ACA?

You need to think about that because they won't. What will be the party line then? Start rehearsing now because they will never repeal it, defund it, etc .....never not ever. It is here to stay and it's time to work together
to make it work......the sun will come up tomorrow.


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"Tell that to my DD, SIL and grandchildren who now have affordable health insurance that doesn't have a $20,000 deductible."

That's what everybody was promised. Should some accept less? Millions who lost plans they liked and can't afford to replace aren't happy about that. Democrats won by lying in 2012, but inevitably, the electorate found out the truth. They can't keep their plans and nobody is stepping up to subsidize the middle class.

Seems like a losing strategy to me. Subsidizing one group while others can no longer afford it seems like a bad idea. But Democrats stand by what they've done to us. Maybe they know what they're doing.


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  • Posted by momj47 7A..was 6B (My Page) on
    Sat, Feb 22, 14 at 15:24

They've probably been hurt by the hyperboles, they fly along at about eye level, don't they.

They can be dangerous.


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  • Posted by momj47 7A..was 6B (My Page) on
    Sat, Feb 22, 14 at 15:30

Democrats won by lying in 2012

LOL

How naive. Give it a rest, the GOP is even more dishonest than the Democratic Party.

Of course the Republicans won by lying in 2000 and 2004.

That's politics.

And exactly how many millions who "lost insurance" can not afford to replace it? You are pretty free with that accusation, but there seems to be not supporting documentation. I bet most of those "millions" have had no trouble replacing it.

I feel worse the citizens of states that have decided that they are not worthy of having ANY health insurance. Those are the millions you should be feeling compassion for.

Oh, wait, conservatives don't have any compassion, how foolish of me

Here is a link that might be useful: More lost insurance under ACA

This post was edited by momj47 on Sat, Feb 22, 14 at 15:37


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I get the feeling there are those who believe that repealing Obamacare will - poof - just make it go away. Not that simple.

Any repeal will throw us back to those glorious days of insurance companies doing whatever they want and runaway rate hikes, coverage denials, policy cancellations. I don't envision insurance companies opening their arms wide to reembrace those they let go without exacting a high price. Repeal costs are just too high - politically and every other way.


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I find it intresting that there is virtually no serious backlash from all those who have been so disenfranchised by the ACA.

The right is going to have to make up horror stories because the majority of those who had their policies canceled have found better options, for better rates, on the exchanges.

I don't hear any crying from those who are really affected...only those who are very comfortable with their insurance...so comfortable that they can bemoan the situation of others.....and be happy to take away their health security from them....after all it doesn't affect them.


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ACA is an issue for the TPers.


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  • Posted by vgkg 7-Va Tidewater (My Page) on
    Sat, Feb 22, 14 at 17:13

Yes of course Obamacare will be a 2014 election day issue, but I'm sticking to my guns and holding judgement 1 year until Oct 1, or perhaps earlier if something terribly horrorbull happens. One full year from the bungled rollout until the annual report card of A, B, C, D, or F . If it fails to meet the test it'll either be from overwhelming internal ACA flaws or external GOP hammering & monkey wrenching (shame on red state politicians other than Ky Gov) , Oct 1 we'll know the truth better. Still I wonder how many voters will give much weight to this issue whether it works well or not?

.....Here's where I usually say something snide about the GOP being the alternative in running our Nation --- Again!!!.......but I'll control myself....today :)


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  • Posted by bboy USDA 8 Sunset 5 WA (My Page) on
    Sat, Feb 22, 14 at 17:43

Relative couldn't make the state site work for them so they got a broker who set them up with a $68 per month plan with a $500 deductible - courtesy of the ACA. She's in her 60's and he's in his 50s. They figure that up to this point they have spent $216,000 on high deductible coverage that they never once made use of. So the insurance provider(s) took in $216,000 without ever having to pay anything out in claims.

Maybe I should start an insurance company, that sounds like pretty good numbers to me:

Premiums collected $216,000

Claims paid: 0

Yet now somebody somehow thinks they can collect $68 per month and start covering services after only $500, and still make a good profit, apparently.

So then I guess that means the previous arrangement was a gouge, a rip-off, doesn't it?


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Coming out of lurkdom to comment of this.

My sister called me a couple of days ago. She's in her early 60's and has been unable to get insurance since her COBRA ran out as she is a two-time cancer survivor.

She has just signed up for a ACA program. It will cost her $64 per month (yes, she's one of those "takers" who will get a government subsidy), has a $2500 deductible, and will get a free pair of glasses every year. Also, it's with a company that she has been insured with before. She was very pleased with this company, which was at one time rated number 1 in the US.

So, those of you who are so opposed to Obamacare - what would you say to my sister? Can you put yourself in the place of someone who has twice had cancer and is walking around with no coverage?

I do not understand this lack of compassion for one's fellow man. There but for the grace of God, etc.etc.


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Nannygoat, glad your sister found affordable care. It seems like the large majority of people have found the same contrary to what all these threads try to portrary. We hear about all these people who can't find affordable healthcare yet we have n't heard from many if any.

Hyperbole indeed.


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K would love to see an HONEST post from you about the misery in your state from lack of health care.
Your entitled to your disdain for Obama care but there is a huge vacuum in the spirit of these posts and has been for ages.
I haven't heard a tear shed from a right to lifer over the infant mortality rate of your state and it possible connection to lack of health care. Credible concern save for the nickles and dimes is all I have ever heard credible concern for human health not so much.


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  • Posted by rosie NE Georgia 7A/B (My Page) on
    Sun, Feb 23, 14 at 11:54

I agree wholeheartedly with Labrea. Even the claims that morality was driving the far right's reactionary attacks on change seem to be long dead.

NO one, BTW, is entitled to disdain based on lies and distortions. "For every one story of those who have done well with the ACA, there are a thousand who have been hurt."

In fact, over 300 MILLION people are now guaranteed insurance coverage, now have insurance that can NOT be canceled due to illness, are guarantee coverage for prior conditions, get premium refunds whenever companies spend less than 80% of premium dollars on patient care, and much more. And the 1%+ of the 300 million who have purchased through the exchanges are almost all quite satisfied to thrilled with it.

Speaking of deaths of babies, however it comes about, there have been 3 percent more infant deaths during Republican administrations over the past half century (and that's not even considering the dreadful failure of Louisiana's people to properly care for their own). Link below to discussion of that tragic syndrome.

Nannygoat and Bboy, personal stories are always gladdening to read, and powerful. Thanks.

Here is a link that might be useful: Infant mortality affected by political party.


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Have you even bothered to research why Louisiana has the highest infant mortality rate labrea? Or why Louisiana uses more federal resources than many states?


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Well, mrskjun, since you seem to feel that you know the answer to your own question perhaps you would edify those of us who are not so well informed.

I am assuming that it does not have to do with a preponderance of Catholics.


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I doubt it.

It's got to be our fault, mrskjun.

It's not the fault of the "victims" is it?


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You bet Obamacare will be an issue in 2014.

If the Republicans run on repealing Obamacare they will find that to be very unpopular with those who have now got coverage or enhanced coverage. Of course those entrenched in the GOP mantra will vote GOP , but they would anyhow.

Then again, if the GOP gain seats in 2014 based on a lie to repeal Obamacare, they will get slaughtered in 2016 when it really counts.


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  • Posted by rosie NE Georgia 7A/B (My Page) on
    Sun, Feb 23, 14 at 14:51

Whenever conservatives are asked about EACH provision of Obamacare, they approve it and they WANT it for themselves. So far it may have been easy to get them focused on disliking the name of a program blamed on the Democrats, but it WILL be much dicier for anyone trying to snatch back the actual healthcare benefits that are now their right. As in, "Those liberals had better keep their hands off my Social Security! :)

MrsKjun, let me guess, low income levels, low educational levels, and higher conservatism levels? Higher infant mortality rates are associated with all 3 of those in red states.

Note that blue states not only have consistently lower infant mortality rates, but they have higher income levels and higher educational levels. Even though many very poor people over several decades now have fled from red states to blue states, the blue states still take better care of everyone.

These correlations are seen across the board in all eras and are hardly coincidence. Conservatives may claim to be more responsible, but they are not, and conservative governments are decidedly more dysfunctional. By many measures, not just numbers of dead babies.


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K I have posted previously on the states with their various disease rates I don't care how the miserable got miserable I do care about healing health mercy from misery not adding more to it.
When a state ranks 49 almost across the aboard or 48 or 47 or 45 or 45 th due to people being undeserved something is terribly wrong!
I haven't heard a whimper and WE are good at whimpering on this forum. I chose infant mortality because you purport to be a right to lifer I don't find it so if folks are dying due to poor or lack of health care if not down right opposition to it!


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I don't think Obamacare will be a big issue in 2014, other than philosophically.

It may become an issue in 2015 and 2016 once the penalties and mandates start kicking in and the financial pain becomes apparent to individuals (aka "voters").

The unsubsidized (or barely subsidized) middle class might just see this as another ~$5,000 per year tax on their already stretched disposable income. Expecting them to quietly and obediently absorb a loss of 15 or 20% (or more if they are over 50 years old) of their disposable incomes to support "the cause" might be Pollyanna-ish.

On the other hand, if all of the wild claims about the number of uninsured - numbers which were always struck me as exaggerated - are somewhere close to true, I would expect to see tremendous numbers of people being enrolled on the exchanges. So far, the percentage of supposedly uninsured who are enrolling has been low.

The other day, I saw someone claim that approximately 50 million people are uninsured (which I believe to be a fantasy number as it goes up substantially every time someone brings it up), yet only a fraction of those people are enrolling. You have to wonder why the numbers and assumed motivations aren't matching up with the reality.

I guess we will see how it actually plays out. It will be interesting.


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Whatever, there is always BENGHAZI as the fall back issue that will never go away...


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"Whatever, there is always BENGHAZI as the fall back issue that will never go away..."

:-)

The actual Benghazi situation was handled incompetently and unprofessionally when it first came to light. That's bad enough; we don't need to ascribe all sorts of conspiracies and ulterior motives to it. It was a tragedy that was poorly handled and poorly portrayed. That's pretty much it.

Now we have introduced thread drift. Yay us! :-)


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Democrats won by lying in 2012
"LOL"

Wow! Who knew progressives were still in stitches over conning the electorate with "the lie of the year?"

Which is the funniest to you, mom?

The middle class believing the president when he promised "If you like your plan you can keep your plan" and they believed it?!

Or the part where Democrats give one mom with cancer a subsidy and a new pair of glasses, and leave the cancer stricken middle class mom with no insurance, no subsidy and no affordable options?

Here is a link that might be useful: The Lie Of The Year


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The GOP wants it both ways

  • Posted by momj47 7A..was 6B (My Page) on
    Tue, Feb 25, 14 at 11:54

LOL

They want the ACA money without the ACA.

In the bitterly partisan debate over the Affordable Care Act, few House members criticized the proposed legislation as harshly or as often as then-Rep. Mike Pence. But now, nearly four years after the measure passed on a party-line vote, Pence, now Indiana’s governor, is asking the federal government for ACA money to expand a program that provides coverage to low-income Hoosiers. But he wants to do it outside the confines of the health-care law.

Pence is among a small but growing number of GOP governors and lawmakers looking for alternatives to expanding Medicaid. They don’t want to be seen embracing a law that is almost universally loathed in their party, but the hundreds of millions of dollars available to their states through the law’s provisions are too enticing to pass up.

Here is a link that might be useful: Link


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  • Posted by rosie NE Georgia 7A/B (My Page) on
    Tue, Feb 25, 14 at 14:54

Although I'd like to think these red governors are motivated by wanting better healthcare for their people, let's not forget pressure from healthcare business to accept the Medicaid expansion. We knew going in that business would be pushing recalcitrant state governments to sign up, and that's just what they're doing. Look for the money.

I don't care all that much if Obama works something out with them under different names. It'd be sad if the people of some red states still end up with somewhat of a short stick, though. Specifically like being a low-income Indianan with an HSA he can barely afford to pay into and that keeps getting emptied out before the high deductible is ever satisfied. Perhaps Obama will get the deductible on that state program lowered to make it workable, or something. He is holding the better hand.

Reminds me that Roosevelt had to deal with all these heel-draggers when Social Security was begun. Many bitterly opposed its bipartisan establishment in the 1930s and 1940s, and today what we hear from their kids is, "Obama'd better keep his hands off my Social Security!" :)


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How can the sun come up tomorrow, Chase, when the sky is falling today? ;-)


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Shame on Americans for making up all those horror stories about Obamacare. Harry Reid has revealed that ALL of those stories are untrue!

Here is a link that might be useful: All ACA horror stories false


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Posted by nikoleta (My Page) on
Wed, Feb 26, 14 at 19:10

Shame on Americans for making up all those horror stories about Obamacare. Harry Reid has revealed that ALL of those stories are untrue!

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But where is Reid's proof?

I'm still waiting on his proof from his allegations about Mitt Romney's tax returns.

Guess if the boss can get away with he, he thinks he can too.


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  • Posted by momj47 7A..was 6B (My Page) on
    Wed, Feb 26, 14 at 19:32

God, he's old.

Time for him to retire.


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"God, he's old.
Time for him to retire."

Probably doesn't want to give up that nice federal insurance plan. They have a very sweet deal.

Here is a link that might be useful: $15.80 month increase family plan


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Obamacare was the reason the Democrats lost 62 House seats in the 2010 electoral bloodbath.

There is no chance the Dems will retake the House in 2014, and they know it, so they're putting all their money in the Senate.

1/3 of the Senate is up for election and the Republicans only need six pickups. And with vulnerable Dems resigning the word in DC is a "very good" chance of the Republicans taking the Senate.

Because as in 2010, the country does not like what they're seeing in DC, not only with Obamacare, but the do nothing Senate run by a dictator.

Then we can FIX this fiasco. Get the lawyers out of health care, allow the states to either sign on or not, let the states who want single payer to do so, and on and on.


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Probably doesn't want to give up that nice federal insurance plan. They have a very sweet deal.

I doubt it, they all got rich from politics - Republicans and Democrats.

It's the power. McConnell looks just as old.

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The GOP had better be careful with their attacks on the ACA.

That strategy could miss the mark, warned Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal, who is vice chairman of the Republican Governors Association.

Polls indicate that the Affordable Care Act continues to be unpopular, but the intensity of anger about it may be dissipating. Other issues - principally jobs and the economy - are greater concerns for most voters.

....surveys show that a majority of Americans would rather see it proceed - albeit with course corrections.

The problems with the law have receded from the headlines, as the administration has fixed most of the Web site problems that plagued the rollout. Enrollment in the federal and state health insurance marketplaces now exceeds 4 million.


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Enrollment in the federal and state health insurance marketplaces now exceeds 4 million.
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That's the claim. But the insurance companies are not in agreement. Until the premium is paid there is NO enrollment.

How can anyone call it a success when 6.5 million had their insurance cancelled, and only 4 million "enrolled"?

Of those supposedly 4 million, how many of them were people who needed insurance because the they liked their insurance and Obama said time and again they could keep it? How many healthy young Americans signed up? Those are the people who need to fund the program, not sick people.

The American people still don't like Obamacare by a margin of 60% to 36%.

This is proof that Central Planning does... not.... work.


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I will certainly agree that jobs and the economy are number one on the minds of the American people. Obama's cure. Another stimulus package. The first one created so many new jobs, he's going to try it again.

I wouldn't pay much attention to what Bobby Jindal has to say. He has a 35% approval rating and would probably lose his own state in a primary for president. The only reason he is governor now, no one ran against him in the last election. We can't wait for his term to end.


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  • Posted by rosie NE Georgia 7A/B (My Page) on
    Thu, Feb 27, 14 at 9:58

Christopher, you've been listening to Fox's amazement and confusion about this weird number. "Four million, that's not even really a number." :)

Of course they don't like it. Signups are accelerating, but probably can't hit the original 7 million estimate of 7 million by the end of March, and many of those people who don't sign up will remain uninsured past that date. If that's a consolation. It doesn't seem to be to Fox.

MrsKjun, healthcare costs ARE very much a part of our personal economies that we are so concerned about. How could it be otherwise?

Surely, there's something good that's come out of this? Isn't no longer facing having your policy canceled when you personally get sick a good thing? Be happy for at least the breaking of the "job lock" that chained people to jobs they didn't want and kept them from pursuing better choices?


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Millions who lost plans they liked and can't afford to replace aren't happy about that.

They could afford insurance through their employer before and can't now? That's not a credible claim.

In addition, of course people liked cheap policies -- until they had to use them for a serious illness. My cousin loved her Aetna policy for $180/month, too, until she got terminal breast cancer and they began refusing her the treatments that would have prolonged her remaining time with her 8-year-old son.

To ignore this fact means you must have been utterly deaf to the huge clamor of the past decade (or more!) as the many Americans who face medical bankruptcy have fought for reform of these corrupt insurance practices. Did you never see the movie "The Rainmaker"?

Nik, your claim that these cheap health insurance policies worked well for lots of folks is akin to claiming that you've never gotten salmonella from ground beef, therefore the FDA should stop monitoring slaughterhouses and penalizing facilities who allow their beef to be tainted.

We Americans, in the form of OUR government, have long advocated for OUR protection from certain dangers -- such as a tainted food supply or corrupt insurance practices that put our very livelihoods at risk when we most need the insurance we paid for.

If you had ever heard a dying loved one begging on the phone to a insurance company bureaucrat to approve the coverage of a cancer treatment prescribed by their doctor, you would feel very differently about this, I am confident.

How can anyone call it a success when 6.5 million had their insurance cancelled

It wasn't "cancelled" by the nefarious "government", Christopher, the policy was changed by the insurance company. This just happened to us and we're actually getting a better overall price than our previous policy.

If your policy hasn't been switched/changed/revised at least three times during the past 8 years, your experience is different from the vast majority of employed Americans, as employers have struggled to provide decent coverage at a price they can afford. At my last job, our insurance changed yearly between 3 different providers and policies, and was about to switch again at the time I left.

This is not Obamacare, my friend, it's been the status quo in the health insurance racket for at least 10 years now.


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  • Posted by rosie NE Georgia 7A/B (My Page) on
    Thu, Feb 27, 14 at 10:08

BTW, no thread for it, so I'll post it here, it's official.

Obesity for children ages 2-5 has declined 43% over the last decade. Wonderful, or sinister?

I went to see what Fox, Hannity, et the lot of them, had to say about this wonderful news. Seemingly nothing so far. Fox Business comes up on the second screen. But, hold on -- 43%, is that even a number? Wait for it. ITM, I'll fill in for them: This is proof that Big Government is brainwashing our children and interfering with parents' rights to tell school cafeterias to feed their children Spaghetti-Os and Froot Loops.


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I don't think anyone has suggested that healthcare insurance didn't need a complete overhaul. But Obama wanted something for his legacy so bad, he allowed politicians like Nancy Pelosi to have carte blanche in writing a bill that no one read, including her, that has been one total screw up. I don't believe that Obama ever read it either. Then he went out touting the wonders of the bill, making promises that turned out to be lies, and causing people to lose policies that they liked, drs. that they trusted, hospitals that were nearby. Most likely these numbers they are touting, are mostly people who signed up for Medicaid, for subsidies, or lost their insurance because of the bill. Responsible people who paid for insurance in the first place. I'm not saying that some people have not done better with Obamacare. States like New York that had extremely high insurance costs compared to other states is an example. But allowing insurance to be sold across state lines would have been a cure for that. High risk pools for those with pre-existing conditions. Allowing children to stay on their parents insurance longer. These are good things. But for the many who are facing higher premiums, higher deductions, loss of drs. and medicines. Obamacare is a disaster. I don't think it can be fixed. I doubt it can be repealed, But one thing I do know. People are going to get out and vote in hopes that someone will try.


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Want to see what FOX says rosie...here you go!

Here is a link that might be useful: link


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  • Posted by vgkg 7-Va Tidewater (My Page) on
    Thu, Feb 27, 14 at 10:50

"Obamacare is a disaster. I don't think it can be fixed. I doubt it can be repealed, But one thing I do know. People are going to get out and vote in hopes that someone will try."

A disaster? Wait a year to see, cannot believe all the hyperbole coming from the right after all the recent BS they've spread around trying their best to kill the ACA before any final results can be measured. They tried too hard, esp Fox/Hannity, presenting fake sad stories, twisted facts, half truths, and plain old BS from people who are hand picked pricks lying about anything that will make the ACA look bad. Wait a year (or until Oct 1st) and get back to me. As far as people getting out to vote against it as if it's their only motive, there will be many on both sides voting. If it helps many more than it hurts guess who gets the most votes, not the BSers.


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vgkg, I'm sure it won't be the only issue people vote on. Good thing. Since there is a 37% approval rating for Obamacare among likely voters. Wow!


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….he allowed politicians like Nancy Pelosi to have carte blanche in writing a bill that no one read, including her, that has been one total screw up. I don't believe that Obama ever read it either

There is a subset of people in this country who actually believe that congressmen, with all their staff, don't read legislation. Now, they write the legislation in committees. You'd think they'd know what was in this since they wrote it. Those not in the committee hire all the staff and assistants they require, and their job is to inform their respective congressmen what is in the legislation. And the president has staff too who read the bills and inform him. But no, they believe these guys don't know whats in the legislation they work on.


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Well its an issue for me. I'm at the drs office right now and just discovered my deductible went from $5500 to 10,000

I liked my plan and wanted to keep it.
Not only did premiums go up but the deductible by thousands.

What happened to my 2500 savings?


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  • Posted by momj47 7A..was 6B (My Page) on
    Thu, Feb 27, 14 at 11:49

My monthly payment, deductible and copays went up before the ACA, in 2013 (2012 open enrollment). It is the best deal my employer negotiated, based on rising health care costs.

Your changes might have nothing at all to do with ACA either.


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"They could afford insurance through their employer before and can't now? That's not a credible claim."

Of course it isn't!

Harry Reid has the electorate all figured out. None of those horror stories they're telling across the country are true.

"In addition, of course people liked cheap policies -- until they had to use them for a serious illness."

Exactly! Thanks to Obamacare high premiums on top of high deductibles and out of pocket expenses are a thing of the past!

The middle class needs to suck it up. Americans should stop lying about all their "suffering" under Obamacare.

LMAO!!! Who knew changing insurance policies was OPTIONAL for companies!!! Democrats wrote no such thing as a mandate for "ten essential benefits" that all policies must cover.

"This is not Obamacare, my friend, it's been the status quo in the health insurance racket for at least 10 years now."

Got it. Nobody has suffered any negative impact from Obamacare. Everyone can afford it. There are no high deductibles or over priced premiums. The complainers are middle class Americans who don't like the president. They need to just shut up.

Lying scum.


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I'm at the drs office right now and just discovered my deductible went from $5500 to 10,000

Well, thats certainly odd. You would have thought your insurance would have let you know by mail.

As I'm sure you know, with individual policies the companies very often change the contract, usually changing the prices and what is/isn't covered. But, for me anyway, they always sent a letter explaining the changes and if I continued to pay the (now higher) premium, this meant I accepted the new terms.


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Obamacare made my bindweed come up earlier this year.


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  • Posted by momj47 7A..was 6B (My Page) on
    Thu, Feb 27, 14 at 14:04

Well, I had to get a new furnace because of Obamacare.

They did allow me to switch from oil to gas, and took the tank out..I had to get my chimney relined, though.

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My front steps are crumbling away, so Obamacare is going to cost me some cement work.

Oh, and the deer ate my last good arborvitae before the snow got too deep for them to navigate. They're back in their own territory probably starving to death thanks to them not being able to afford themselves of the high premium food in my neighborhood.


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Why don't we just get downright nasty huh? To bad you can't be ashamed of yourselves. david calls demi a liar and then the three of you act like children.


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Lighten up. But first tell us how these few posts are different from Fox news running ad nauseum with the falsehoods, half truths, and, dare I say it, taradiddles?


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duluthinbloom, are you saying that if anyone disagrees with you then it is alright to diminish what they say. I think for most people, having their deductible go from 5500 to 10,000, would be a significant hardship. Maybe even enough that they couldn't afford to have cement work done. Those posts just struck me as so petty and mean spirited. And I have a really good sense of humor.


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"Well, I had to get a new furnace because of Obamacare."

What happens to middle class people who can't afford a new furnace AND Obamacare?


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I don't know the law in Louisiana, but in California if changes are made to a health insurance policy, you must be notified by mail. Changes to coverage are made at policy renewal.


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I can be disagreed with at will and by anyone. Don't think for a moment I'm diminishing anyone's plight when it comes to having access to affordable health care - or anyone struggling for myriad reasons. The examples so often sighted could be, and usually are, solved by the person involved putting a concerted effort into researching into what's available to them. That's the part Fox tends to omit - and that I object to and disagree with.

Now I'm heading for a neutral corner as concerns this thread.


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Obamacare painted my previously neutral corner a vivid chartreuse.


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nancy, is it possible that you could be at the drs and find out that your deductible has been raised, while the letter from the insurance company is wending it's way to your post office? Just because it's so easy for Obama to lie, do you think it's that way for everyone? No wonder Harry Reid said all those who have come forward with their problems with Obamacare are liars...it's a liberal thing.


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is it possible that you could be at the drs and find out that your deductible has been raised, while the letter from the insurance company is wending it's way to your post office?

In California the notifications are required to be sent 30 days in advance of the change, and typically would be sent earlier.

We have a state Insurance Commission to enforce compliance with rules and regulations established by legislation.


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As far as I'm aware it is not legal for insurance companies to suddenly change the deductible outside of the once-yearly renewal/change/switch signup period. Demi, this might be cause for a lawsuit -- unless you neglected to take account of this change when your policy was renewed this year? They are often renewed around Jan/Feb; read your updated policy!

In the meantime, Nik's pallid sarcasm offers no cogent rebuttals to the points I delineated above, and Mrskjun as usual just goes on her ad hominem attack of them dern lib'ruls rather than offering a solid argument. To honestly believe that nobody in the entire government read a bill they themselves wrote and passed is to be either unbelievably gullible to some kind of silly propaganda or else misunderstand that this is, in fact, the SOLE JOB congresspeople do every day.

Back on the home health front, Mr. Peanut requires a hearing aid for early onset hearing loss, and we have discovered that no insurance in the country covers hearing aids, which cost between $2,000 - $6,000 each. Each! I consider this a scandal. Since when is hearing a cosmetic, voluntary issue?

But it's more fun to say that OBAMACARE MADE MY HUSBAND DEAF! Maybe Fox News will give me a spot.


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Demi, you cite tprivacy as one of the issues you have with single payer yet your doctor gets advice of the amount of your annual deductible......and before you to boot!

I think you need to have a word with your insurer.

This post was edited by chase on Thu, Feb 27, 14 at 16:12


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  • Posted by momj47 7A..was 6B (My Page) on
    Thu, Feb 27, 14 at 15:47

I don't think any insurance has ever covered hearing aids. I think I recall being somewhat surprised to learn this some years ago, when one of my home health patients needed one.

Strange, isn't it.


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Yeah, momj, it is. And we're disgruntled to find that the hearing aid doctors are kinda like used car salesmen; they are each hawking their own brand and won't let you see price comparisons, offering discounts and deals only if you make your hearing appointments with them. Ugh.

It smells fishy to us and we're thinking of buying them out of the country.


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  • Posted by rosie NE Georgia 7A/B (My Page) on
    Thu, Feb 27, 14 at 16:32

IMO, very, extremely, outrageously strange.

As for Obamacare obviously being the reason our favorite hotel won't have a room for us tomorrow, what do the people who say things that are every bit as silly expect? Grateful thanks for the heads-up?

Remember the classic words of wisdom: "There's an old saying in Tennessee -- I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee --- that says, fool me once, shame on -- shame on you. Fool me -- you can't get fooled again."


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Posted by chase z6 (My Page) on
Thu, Feb 27, 14 at 15:45

Demi, you cite tprivacy as one of the issues you have with single payer yet your doctor gets advice of the amount of your annual deductible......and before you to boot!

I think you need to have a word with your insurer.

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Oh I plan to.

I got a new update on my plan a few months ago, looked it over and saw no significant changes on amounts.

It's possible the doctor's office is wrong, but that's what they pulled up.

They told me that MANY people found out the same way that their deductibles had gone up significantly.

I like this provider a lot because there are not problems when I do need the insurance--not what I hear from the other popular providers. My doctors all take this insurance provider.

Thanks for nothing Obama, I liked what I had and what I was paying, and okay with paying a little more every year.

This is ridiculous.


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Can you please explain why this is Obama's fault? Your insurance company ups your deductible and you place the blame on Obama?

Who did you blame in previous years when your deductible and/or rates went up?

Maybe now is the time to start checking out what other options are out there. You might, like others find a better plan at better rates. And then, you can thank Obama.

~Ann


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Okay, I won't blame Obama for this one.

I still have had increased premiums and I still did not save $2500.

My policy does state the lower deductible--in black and white, just like it states on my card.

My insurance provider says if there is more than one person on my policy the deductible goes to $10,000. That's not $10,000 family (two people) as it says. That's 10,000 per individual.

So although it shows the lower deductible on my card and policy, the high deductible applies per person.

It's been that way all along.

Since I pay cash for everything myself it hasn't come into play.

I'm calling different companies soon and see if I can get a better deal.


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  • Posted by vgkg 7-Va Tidewater (My Page) on
    Thu, Feb 27, 14 at 17:15

Just punch in Obamacare.com...

..oops, that's Healthcare.gov, excuse me....


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Nope, won't go the government website.

I'll call local agents.


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A friend in Florida had a similar plan as yours. She paid $400.00 a month for her family of three (Husband, wife, son) but her deductible was something like $10,000 per person. Apparently, a low monthly premium doesn't buy much in the way of good medical insurance.

~Ann


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Re hearing aids. My neighbor was given the soapy slime sales pitch by the sweaty guy in the plain polyester suit, and at $5,000, said no. So the salesman calls him up a week later, saying:

"We ordered one for another gentleman who just passed away - so if you're interested, we'll need to change the fittings, and you can have it for ~only~ $3,500!!!! He bought it. :(

I think you can find one that might not be as small, or as stylish, for far less. Yup, looks like Amazon sells several models.

Here is a link that might be useful: Amazon hearing aid


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MANY people found out that their policy had changed from their doctor and NOT the insurance company........very shoddy practices. I'd be very concerned about what they will actually cover, heaven forbid , should you need it.


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This is so tiresome. The problems of blacks are greater in the south, because more black people live in the south. It seems that would be evident. To Obama's credit, today, he initiated "My Brothers Keeper". This is a program aimed to help minority kids. Kudos also to Bill O'Reilly who has been beating this drum forever and challenged Obama in his Superbowl interview to step up and do something.

Here is a link that might be useful: link


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Superbowl of which year?

President Obama has been working on this for well over a year. Ever since he met with kids in Chicago he has been working on getting sponsors and donors lined up for this initiative.....it has zero to do with O'Reilly.


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  • Posted by rosie NE Georgia 7A/B (My Page) on
    Thu, Feb 27, 14 at 18:31

Insurance companies do not contact me, so I have no idea about the details of what they would offer me until I contact them. Good luck shopping, Demi. IMO, you should shop the federal exchange since you don't have a state one just to see if there's a better deal for you. Likely not given your affluence, of course, but nevertheless...just so you know what's going on in your market.

Regarding the history of healthcare cost increases, THIS is why premiums have been going up. Note that Obamacare was passed in 2009 and is being phased in gradually ever since.


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Well gee chase...O'Reilly has been beating this drum for far longer than a year...oh and btw...he was at the White House for the signing.


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Yes Mrs, I know that.......but contrary to what you posted it was NOT O'Reilly's suggestion during this year's superbowl interview that prompted the President to do this.

I also think it was way cool, and classy, of the President to invite O'Reilly to the signing... Or do you think he just walked in.


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"I also think it was way cool, and classy, of the President to invite O'Reilly to the signing..."

O'Reilly is a cool and classy guy.


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Not in my books...not by a long shot, but to each thier own.


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"O'Reilly is a cool and classy guy."

There are many things that you can say about Bill O'Reilly, but "cool and classy" isn't one of them.

~Ann


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O'Reilly is a cool and classy guy.

Only on the mountain.


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O'Reilly is a cool and classy guy.

Isn't this the man who settled a sexual harrassment case out of court to keep the tapes of his telephone calls (one-sided phone sex) from being aired?

You know, the man that confuses falafel with a loofah.

Bill O'Reilly's Falafel Fetish


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"There are many things that you can say about Bill O'Reilly, but "cool and classy" isn't one of them.

~Ann"

Wrong, Ann. I just did. ;)

You obviously don't have to. I think he's extraordinary.

"Isn't this the man who settled a sexual harrassment case out of court to keep the tapes of his telephone calls (one-sided phone sex) from being aired?"

Dunno. I do know that "one-sided phone sex" sounds pretty lame. What would be the point?


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"You obviously don't have to. I think he's extraordinary."

Extraordinarily loud? An extraordinary bully? An extraordinary self-promoter? Extraordinarily partisan?

Which one?


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I thought that you didn't watch Fox News anyway.


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Of course I watch Fox, Frank. Many here watch Fox, near as I can tell. It's seems to be the thing to do; many here talk about it, so they must be watching...either that, or the ones talking about Fox don't know what they are talking about, and that can't be.

Right?


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What would be the point?

According to the court papers filed by the woman he harrassed, he was gratifying himself while talking dirty to her. As he was her boss, she wasn't in a position to hang up. So she recorded him, and then brought suit against him.


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Posted by nancy_in_venice_ca SS24 z10 CA (My Page) on
Fri, Feb 28, 14 at 0:26

What would be the point?

According to the court papers filed by the woman he harrassed, he was gratifying himself while talking dirty to her. As he was her boss, she wasn't in a position to hang up. So she recorded him, and then brought suit against him.

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Kind of like a blue dressed saved with Presidential Semen all over it from Clinton, huh?


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Clinton isn't a classy guy either..........


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Well, there is always that really classy guy, Ted Kennedy...he knew how to treat a girl. Mary Jo never sued him!!


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O'Reilly isn't a elected official.

He has no power.


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Under Obamacare--and courtesy of the recession and people with no money to take care of themselves--healthcare costs briefly registered first DECLINE since the 1970s.

These days, as discussed in the article linked, rises are at least no longer the double-digit EVERY year they have been. But they're still going up and will take some years for cost efficiency measures to stop inflation beyond the rate for other expenditures.

'For 2014, PwC's Health Research Institute (HRI) projects a medical cost trend of 6.5%.
Defying historical patterns��'and placing added tension on the health industry��'medical inflation in 2014 WILL DIP EVEN LOWER THAN IN 2013.

Aggressive and creative steps by employers, new venues and models for delivering care, and elements of the Affordable Care Act (ACA) are expected to exert continued downward pressure on the health sector.'

This is GOOD news.

Here is a link that might be useful: Health Research Institute


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"Presidential Semen"

So is it capitalized because it is "Presidential" and that makes it more stately?

This post was edited by frank_il on Fri, Feb 28, 14 at 9:24


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There isn't only "political power".

If O'Reilly was this woman's boss, that put him in a position of power over her.

Calling O'Reilly "Cool and Classy" certainly sets the bar low.

~Ann


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Calling O'Reilly "Cool and Classy" certainly sets the bar low.

How some like to ignore this fact.


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Posted by frank_il z5Illinois (My Page) on
Fri, Feb 28, 14 at 9:23

"Presidential Semen"

So is it capitalized because it is "Presidential" and that makes it more stately?

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"In the meantime, Nik's pallid sarcasm offers no cogent rebuttals to the points I delineated above..."

You did not make a "point." You trashed Americans for blowing the whistle on the mess Obamacare created for them:

"They could afford insurance through their employer before and can't now? That's not a credible claim."

No way to make a "cogent rebuttal" to nonsense. When prices go up, fewer people can afford a product or service. The middle class is paying more for insurance under Obamacare because Democrats mandated ALL policies be loaded with items people don't need or want.

If you have evidence Americans are lying, bring it on.


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If only Americans would stop lying about Obamacare!

Here is a link that might be useful: Lying Americans


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Update about the woman in mrsk's OP link....from the conservative Detroit News....

"Washington ��" A Dexter cancer patient featured in a conservative group’s TV ad campaign denouncing her new health care coverage as “unaffordable” will save more than $1,000 this year under the plan, The Detroit News has learned.

Julie Boonstra, 49, starred last month in an emotional television ad sponsored by Americans for Prosperity that implied Democratic U.S. Rep. Gary Peters’ vote for the Affordable Care Act made her medication so “unaffordable” she could die. Peters of Bloomfield Township is running for an open U.S. Senate seat against Republican Terri Lynn Land.

Boonstra said Monday her new plan she dislikes is the Blue Cross Premier Gold health care plan, which caps patient responsibility for out-of-pocket costs at $5,100 a year, lower than the federal law’s maximum of $6,350 a year. It means the new plan will save her at least $1,200 compared with her former insurance plan she preferred that was ended under Obamacare’s coverage requirements.

A Blue Cross Blue Shield of Michigan spokesman said the insurer welcomes a chance to help members understand their benefits and alleviate concerns.

“We are here to help people like Ms. Boonstra to work their way through adjusting to the health plans we are now offering them,” the Blue’s Andy Hetzel said. “If there are questions ... they should call.”

Boonstra’s old plan cost $1,100 a month in premiums or $13,200 a year, she previously told The News. It didn’t include money she spent on co-pays, prescription drugs and other out-of-pocket expenses.

By contrast, the Blues’ plan premium costs $571 a month or $6,852 for the year. Since out-of-pocket costs are capped at $5,100, including deductibles, the maximum Boonstra would pay this year for all of her cancer treatment is $11,952.

When advised of the details of her Blues’ plan, Boonstra said the idea that it would be cheaper “can’t be true.”

“I personally do not believe that,” Boonstra said.

She said she still fears her costs will be unaffordable because she could be hit with large out-of-pocket bills in the early months when she wouldn’t have the money to pay. She also said her out-of-pocket maximum could be higher than advertised because there’s one prescription that was previously covered by her old plan that isn’t and she now buys with a separate prescription discount card.

Hetzel said he understands patients may be confused by their benefits as they adjust. Boonstra’s health plan covers all prescriptions, Hetzel said, who advises she use the coverage instead of a prescription discount card so co-pays would go toward meeting the out-of-pocket maximum. On the chance of being assessed the full maximum in the first month or so of a health plan, he said: “It is possible, but it’s highly unlikely.”

The development comes after Democrats launched a counter-offensive against Americans for Prosperity, the group backed by billionaires Charles and David Koch that has spent more than $30 million in advertising in competitive Senate races nationwide attacking Democrats on Obamacare.

Their spending has been unmatched in Michigan and elsewhere, prompting Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nevada, to declare on the Senate floor the Koch brothers are trying to buy elections with “untrue” ads like Boonstra’s.

In her interview with The News, Boonstra took issue with Reid’s assessment. She called Reid’s remarks hurtful and said, “I was completely outraged. I deserve an apology.”

Reid spokesman Adam Jentleson said: “Sen. Reid's criticism is directed entirely at the secretive billionaire Koch brothers who are spending millions to rig the system to benefit themselves and the top 1 percent.”

Boonstra is the ex-wife of Mark Boonstra, the former Washtenaw County GOP chairman whom Gov. Rick Snyder appointed to the Michigan Court of Appeals in 2012. Julie Boonstra said she’s never been a political person beyond advocating for lower-cost oral chemotherapy treatment in Washington.

The initial February ad starring Boonstra was questioned by independent fact checkers based in part on Detroit News reports. After losing the health care plan she liked, Boonstra said in the spot: “Now, the out-of-pocket costs are so high, it’s unaffordable. If I do not receive my medication, I will die.”

Americans for Prosperity spokesman Levi Russell defended the claim Monday: “Before her plan was canceled by Obamacare, Julie knew what her monthly costs would be. Now those costs are unpredictable and the potential for spikes in any given month make them unaffordable ... ”

Peters’ lawyers wrote TV stations reminding them of their obligation to protect the public from deceptive ads. Americans for Prosperity fought back last week by releasing another ad in which Boonstra rebukes Peters for “trying to silence me.”

“Any charge that our campaign tried to silence her are absolutely inaccurate,” Peters’ spokeswoman Haley Morris said. “Per standard practice, we asked AFP to provide documentation for claims that AFP paid to air after independent fact checkers said they needed further substantiation.”


From The Detroit News: http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20140310/LIFESTYLE03/303100100#ixzz2vcUT13xa"


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Thanks for the helpful update, jmc. I'm from that area and the local politics can be fierce.

If you have evidence Americans are lying, bring it on.

Nik, who said anything about "lying"? That's your uncharitable imputation. What I'm concerned about are the grave misunderstandings engendered by incendiary rhetoric like yours.

I don't have to look far. Why, just above in this thread, we have a great example of someone who was quick to claim the ACA was responsible for something she didn't like about her current insurance. Turns out she didn't correctly understand the terms of her policy. Are you calling Demi a "liar" for blaming Obamacare? I wouldn't. I'd simply call her momentarily gullible to irresponsible, over-emotionalized posts like yours.

Similarly, we had member citywoman on this forum crying to the heavens last month about a cancelled policy, when it turned out she actually qualified for a cheaper policy now.

I didn't vote for Obama and am not thrilled about how the ACA is basically just a huge generous taxpayer gift to the insurance cartel, but I do find it unfortunate to see how regular folks absorb the kind of mis-characterizations you are fond of promoting on this forum, Nik. It's irresponsible as a fellow citizen.


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Posted by circuspeanut coastal 5 (My Page) on
Tue, Mar 11, 14 at 9:36

don't have to look far. Why, just above in this thread, we have a great example of someone who was quick to claim the ACA was responsible for something she didn't like about her current insurance. Turns out she didn't correctly understand the terms of her policy. Are you calling Demi a "liar" for blaming Obamacare? I wouldn't. I'd simply call her momentarily gullible to irresponsible, over-emotionalized posts like yours.

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How pathetic, Circuspeanut.

I'm not gullible to anything.

My policy wasn't clear on the use of terms, and the insurance company told me many people misinterpreted the deductions and use of the term family and individual depending on the number.

My reading of my policy and what the insurance company and doctor's office had absolutely NOTHING TO DO WITH NICOLETA and any of her posts.

You just can't resist your need to get digs at me, can you?

I wonder why--I don't know who you are, and certainly don't care to know who you are, but I sure can't say the same about you in regard to me because of the personal comments you've made about me, and references to me after you post. Yes, there are a lot of them.

Still haven't backed up your comments of some weeks ago about pensions and what you meant by that.

It's creepy--Snoop Trash isn't accurate, you know.


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Demi, your misinterpretation of your policy also had nothing to do with Obamacare, as you initially suspected. That's my point.

For the love of pete, woman, stop with your bizarre highly-capitalized paranoia already; I made no claims about you personally. Anyone reading here can see your posts, to which I was referring, above in this thread. ??!

Sorry, I don't know who or what SnoopTrash is or has to do with pensions -- I don't have a tv.


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Posted by circuspeanut coastal 5 (My Page) on
Tue, Mar 11, 14 at 11:09

Demi, your misinterpretation of your policy also had nothing to do with Obamacare, as you initially suspected. That's my point.

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No, you specifically said I was gullible to posts.

I was not.

The staff at the Dr's office told me the carrier had raised deductibles the first of the year, specifically on these types of policies, because of Obamacare.

That's what I thought until I called the insurance company, and I CORRECTED that stance on this forum when I found out.

As to your other comments, there is a record of similar comments you and a few others have made after my posts--assumptions and innuendo, and it's not paranoia on my part although that's a very convenient dismissal, at my expense.


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Yes, and I applaud you for correcting yourself when it is clear from your posts that you have a lot invested in believing anything bad about the ACA you can find. I'm actually admiring of your honesty here.

Whether you choose to accept that or feel persecuted for it is entirely up to you.


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"Nik, who said anything about "lying"?"

Harry Reid.

"That's your uncharitable imputation."

Nope, Harry is on video speaking from the Senate floor.

"...I do find it unfortunate to see how regular folks absorb the kind of mis-characterizations you are fond of promoting on this forum, Nik. It's irresponsible as a fellow citizen."

LMAO! The only thing folks "absorbed" was "If you like your plan, you can keep your plan. If you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor." Democrats used those lies to con the electorate, and it worked.

Enjoy your victory.


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  • Posted by rosie NE Georgia 7A/B (My Page) on
    Tue, Mar 11, 14 at 11:34

I also respected your honesty, Demi. We've all made mistakes bigger than that one.

Now, although I don't admire your refusing to at least check out your state exchange for ideologic reasons I feel are foolish, I definitely envy not having to always shop around for the best deals and being able to purchase a low-premium policy with a $10K deductible, saving money by just paying out of pocket as needed. It must be nice.

Enjoy spring. You're farther south than I am, and I bet it's looking very pretty out in your garden.


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The fact remains that the vast majority of these hysterical Obamacare horror stories that are brought up in the press don't hold up to much scrutiny.

There was one a couple of days ago in the Denver press where some lady was paying $100 more for her individual coverage through the exchange, compared to the policy she'd had at work. Had to eat cat food, shop at Walmart. Of course, her employer was paying half her premium before - oh, she forgot to mention that.


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I definitely envy not having to always shop around for the best deals and being able to purchase a low-premium policy with a $10K deductible, saving money by just paying out of pocket as needed. It must be nice.

Enjoy spring. You're farther south than I am, and I bet it's looking very pretty out in your garden.

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I don't know, Rosie, I don't call $478 dollars a month a low premium with a $10,000 deductible. After I get through some non profit work I'm doing and get taxes together I intend to visit some offices and find out what kind of better deal I can get.

It's "nice" to the extent that I pay a lot more for the same care and services that others get for free or discounted because I do pay more.

I don't conduct that kind of business over the internet, whether it's Obamacare, Bushcare or anything else. SO it's not just because it's Obamacare, it's because I don't give that information out over the internet, period.

Spring is late. It started a few weeks ago with a few days of warmer temps but just stopped, and buds froze. The redbuds are just beginning to come out upon close inspection but you can't see from a distance and as I type I look onto my porch and pair of cardinals are flying up into the vent over my outdoor grill. I told myself this morning I needed to get more netting before they showed up again. They love to build nests in there. Better go do that before they start bringing sticks and straw in to add to what's still in there or I won't be able to grill for a month or two. I have let them build nests in my wreaths on my front door but what a mess, will have to stop that this year too.

Bradford Pears are in full bloom but that's about it.
I expect by the end of the week it will look more like it usually does by the Ides of March. Have to plan garden too, get tiller in the shop hasn't been used in years.


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RE: Obamacare an issue for 2014?

I find the ongoing outrage about the "lie" the President told to be interesting in the sense that the numerous lies told about the ACA, and the administration in general, by the right seem to be AOK.

The number of outright lies , distortions and misinformation I have seen posted here over the last 5 years is astounding .

What's even more astounding is the number of times they get debunked and some still don't learn to check they're sources and facts before repeating the "lies" ....and rarely does anyone come back to say they were mistaken.

This post was edited by chase on Tue, Mar 11, 14 at 12:12


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RE: Obamacare an issue for 2014?

Anything to not acknowledge Barack Obama's lies to citizens of this country about this legislation.

Anything to not acknowledge how this act is hurting people when it was supposed to help everyone.

The people that talk about Obamacare won't be held accountable.

Barack Obama won't be held accountable--he was reelected because of his willingness to LIE to the citizens of this country.

Maybe the Democrats will be held accountable.

I doubt it.

People have believed for a long time that they will be helped by the Democrats--redistribution is in their blood now, and they're not going back to personally responsibility.

How sad that to stay in power the Democrats have to make people believe they are impotent victims of life--and in a country with so much freedom and opportunity, there are still those that choose to buy it.


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RE: Obamacare an issue for 2014?

And for sure the voters will elect a veto proof Senate and House and they'll throw out Obamacare and go back to the good old days. For sure.

But there's no doubt that the Republicans will run on trashing Obamacare, because other than that, they've got nothing.


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RE: Obamacare an issue for 2014?

I would say unequivocally, there is not one, single liberal on this forum , and for that matter any liberal I know, that does not believe in personal responsibility and very few who believe in redistribution....whatever that is.

Liberals pay taxes and conservatives get food stamps.......


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RE: Obamacare an issue for 2014?

  • Posted by rosie NE Georgia 7A/B (My Page) on
    Tue, Mar 11, 14 at 14:18

Ouch, Demi. Good luck finding something even better. Healthcare is so expensive.

I'm sorry a bunch of your buds were killed off. I thought our Yoshino had lost its buds, but we just returned home and it's about to start blooming any day. It's a bigger and better show every year. Your nest "problems" are funny. And it's definitely time here too. My grandmother's broom, standing upside down in a corner of her porch, was out of commission for weeks before the babies born on it finally fledged. We put up a bunch of boxes, including three on our porches.

I'm afraid I really, really don't see myself or any working person as "lacking personal responsibility," BTW. That's just a propaganda term meant to insult the opposition.

"The" government isn't something separate from us. It is OUR government, our product, something we created to serve us, that we are supposed to tend and protect, and that we use as a tool to do what we cannot accomplish individually. Those who don't educate themselves and strive to be competent tenders of their government lack personal responsibility because we all if us need a good, stable government serving us. This isn't some stupid team game.


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RE: Obamacare an issue for 2014?

  • Posted by vgkg 7-Va Tidewater (My Page) on
    Tue, Apr 1, 14 at 9:24

Yes, yes indeed it will. But probably now not in the way many had hoped.


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