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Posted by october17 5chgo (My Page) on
Sun, Feb 17, 13 at 17:51

I like the guy more and more. Hope he comes back to Chicago. He'll have a pretty good shot at being elected mayor. If he wants the job.

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Why would he ever want to be a mayor after being the prez?


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He's so young. He's a spit-and-polish professional politician. What else would he do?


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Do what Carter or Clinton did...


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He's preaching to the choir,

Mothers and fathers, teachers and social workers, police officers and ministers, politicians and community leaders, doctors and business owners, affordable-housing specialists and public school principals, psychologists and coaches and many smiling young people.

and who didn't already know that fathers AND mothers are important to the family?

Really? I knew that.

I'm pleased that the president has the guts to express his personal beliefs about the family.


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brushworks wrote,

He's preaching to the choir,

"Mothers and fathers, teachers and social workers, police officers and ministers, politicians and community leaders, doctors and business owners, affordable-housing specialists and public school principals, psychologists and coaches and many smiling young people."

and who didn't already know that fathers AND mothers are important to the family?

Really? I knew that.

I'm pleased that the president has the guts to express his personal beliefs about the family.

Just to clarify, he clearly wasn't stating a belief that each child needed one mother and one father, any more than he was saying each child needs a social worker and a psychologist. He was saying each of those people are important. If you interpreted his words as criticizing two-mom families, for example, you are simply mistaken.


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Yes! Yeah for Obama...whatever that means.

I also love the fact that this country is several trillion more in debt, has thrown due process out the window, has duped slightly over half the country into thinking healthcare is better, and is now doing their damndest to rewrite the constitution.


Change...

Sure....keep applauding this "change," and see where we all end up.


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landscraper82.

has duped slightly over half the country into thinking healthcare is better,
Has your health care changed?

"is now doing their damndest to rewrite the constitution."
Is this possible? Which constitution is being discussed that will change?

I also love the fact that this country is several trillion more in debt,

I was not here 8 years ago I am curious did you rant about losing the surplus budget we had and trillion dollar debt appeared?

"thrown due process out the window,"
What due process do you feel your present President has thrown out the window?


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Facto...

You are mistaken for assuming I interpreted it that way.

I know that disappoints you.


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Brushworks wrote,

Facto...
You are mistaken for assuming I interpreted it that way.

I know that disappoints you.

I'm sorry that you failed to read my post with care, which is why you missed the word "if". But I appreciate the demonstration of projection.


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Landscraper. ...Uhhhh ,Bush had a surplus when he took office and ran up our debt with his two uncalled for wars. How many billions and billions did we throw over there which should have been used here for our infrastructure, health care, and education ?


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I took Brush's choice to capitalize the AND as support of committed couples as opposed to Dad's that are not in the picture. Never entered my mind it was a reference to Gay couples.

I'm willing to bet the ranch I'm right.


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When I think of the cost in money and the damaged and tragic lives of the young men and women who have served in the military for over a decade, I am so grateful for the patience and persistence of Barack Obama. He will not take us to war, and chuck Hagel will be his sidekick in making that a reality.


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Over a decade of war.....over a DECADE of war ......if that doesn't give every American pause I don't know what will.


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yeh, yeah fo zero, he has sold 91% more guns than were sold during bush's first 4 years. A total of 65.4 million since his first full month in office. Thats to say nothing of the billions of rounds of ammunition.And he has taken the debt up another 6 trillion. Hes made a mess of health care, hes done more damage in 4 years than has been done in 50 years., and he has 4 more to further destruct America.
Yeah!!


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It's all Bush's fault...end of discussion!


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Iraq? You would be correct, Mrsk, thanks for finally admitting that the man you wanted to vote for a third time was so at fault and responsible for untold loss of life and limb, and that includes the war we are still trying to get out of because he dropped the ball on that one so badly.

On behalf on a great deal of forum members, thanks for finally admitting to this about Bushjr/ Cheney.


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if he knew my dd the republican msw, he'd cry as i do! she married, moved to indiana, and lost all common sense!


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Lily lily lily, I've read some very intelligent posts from you in the past, so I'll brush this one aside:

Landscraper. ...Uhhhh ,Bush had a surplus when he took office and ran up our debt with his two uncalled for wars. How many billions and billions did we throw over there which should have been used here for our infrastructure, health care, and education ?

Notice I said Obama is to blame for several trillion more....by several trillion I mean around 6. That's a whole lot of money to spend, when we americans have yet to see much, if any improvement.

The Bush administration definitely did their part in screwing everything up, but that doesn't dissolve our current president of doing no wrong.


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And marquest...not sure any of your questions even deserve a response, but I'll do my best...

Has your health care changed?
Yes, in the opposite direction you would expect a trillion some dollar bill to go.


Is this possible? Which constitution is being discussed that will change?

Oh, I dunno....is it possible you've been on Jupiter the last couple of months and not paid attention to the president wanting to take a big red marker to the bill of rights and start drawing lines through it?

I was not here 8 years ago I am curious did you rant about losing the surplus budget we had and trillion dollar debt appeared?

Well, not sure how much you understand about finance, but there is a difference between a billion dollar surplus to the budget, and still having a debt. When GW took office....once again not condoning his actions....but during the Clinton Bush transition, the national debt was a whopping 5.6 trillion.

Year end 2004, it was around 7.5 trillion.

Year end 2008 it was over 10 trillion.

Now it's over 16 trillion.

So no...."trillion dollar debt" didn't just appear overnight because George Bush was elected, and once again, because he spent a lot of money in 8 years, doesn't make it A-OK for Obama to do so too.

What due process do you feel your present President has thrown out the window?

Have you heard of Google? It's this great internet thingy that you can type words into and it tells you about them....for starters you can type in NDAA and read about it. Maybe you'll even find the quote of Obama saying something along the lines of "I'll sign the bill, but I promise we won't use it." Ha....laughable at best. Then you could do a quick google search of the DOJ making the case for outright murdering US citizens because our super awesome intelligence agencies think you might be a bad guy. No trial, no jury, no judge....just WHAM! Missle in your face, your dead.

Wow...that was a lot more than I intended to type, but there ya go.


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When I said yeah for Obama, I meant that he had the guts to place the responsiblity squarely where it belongs. On the parents.

Not teachers, not police, not government, blah blah blah.


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OK october, that makes more sense and I'll agrre. responsibility for ones actions isnt getting much attention by the left, its always some one elses problem.


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landscraper82, you would not have typed as much if you had answered the questions. I understand the the added typing was needed for insults but that is ok if it was your need.

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Okay lets try again...
Has your health care changed? Is your health care worst than it was before the Affordable Health Care bill was past?
Your response did not answer how it changed. If you say.."has duped slightly over half the country into thinking healthcare is better". This is about your health care. Has it changed? How?
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Which constitution is being discussed that will change?
Which Constitution? You did a rant but did not specify WHICH constitution. I also asked is it possible.
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I asked.....I was not here 8 years ago I am curious did you rant about losing the surplus we had and the trillion dollar debt appeared?
Did you rant when the surplus went away and the debt started to grow? I would also add.... Do you realize that as with all debt there is interest added to the debt until it is paid off? If you start with a large debt you will have a even larger interest amount added to the debt that the previous President leaves for the Country to pay down.

Since you mentioned you are handy with google do a search on the "Definition of Accrued Interest" It will give you a new understanding of how a previous debt can grow. The portion of the trillion dollars you contribute to the present President as spending......he did not spend it that would be the interest of what the previous President spent. We elected Bush we have to pay for Bush...interest rate and all for a very long time.
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You asked me............
"Have you heard of Google? It's this great internet thingy that you can type words into and it tells you about them..."

Yes I have heard of google as I stated above I hope you use it to look up the "Definition of Accrued Interest" so you will have a better understanding of debt. Okay I answered your google question.
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What due process do you feel your present President has thrown out the window?

Since 9/11 due process went flying out the window long ago. It is called Safety. If you support the Republican Doctrine and believe your republican talking points they have stated that they do not have a problem with the drone program but will look further into if the previous Bush policy of the drone use has been miss used.

I do not have a problem with anyone questioning our government and war tactics but that is what this is....an advanced war tactic. Just as Bush gathered up Americans that were suspect and shipped them off to another land to be water boarded and tortured for info. You are aware of that practice? If not as you say do a google search.


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Thanks for the update, Marquest. I wasted 5 minutes, and answered every single one of your ridiculous questions, to no avail. You can call it "ranting," all you want, but the only reason you are so upset is because my answers go against your head-in-the-sand ideas.

You know, I always wondered how Obama was re-elected....well maybe that's not they right way to put it. I'm not sure Romney would have been a lot better, but a change, nonetheless. But I guess a better question would be, "Why are some people so proud that Obama got re-elected." Like it's some sort of miracle, and all of our problems will be solved tomorrow.

I had suspicions that it was because there happens to be a slight majority of Americans, that pick and choose which facts they want to believe, and completely ignore the others that go against those beliefs....much like a child plugging their ears and saying "la la la, can't hear you!" But now, after your post, I know for sure that is indeed the case. So thanks, I guess.

Your "rant" about debt, and this wonderful thing that only you, apparently, know about called "accrued interest," is proof of that. Further proof would be how you ask me how has due process changed, and go on a tirade about Bush once again, all the while making no mention of NDAA....which, by the way, is like PA on steroids.

But whatever, I'm sure this will just fall on deaf ears, and once again I've wasted 5 minutes responding to pointless questions.

If you do again respond....answer me this one simple question:

What has changed for the better since Bush left office, and Obama took over. Riddle me that, and I'll send you a dollar.

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I will play and I don't want your dollar.
We don't Cheney in power anymore.

That you have to ask that question demonstrates your inability to see things as they actually are. You squeeze your eyes shut, stick your fingers in your ears and insist that they are how the super-right wing newsie entertainers tell you they are. The same ones who kept telling you that Obama would lose by a landslide? Yeah,.....those guys.

If you ever want to discuss Obama's actual failings that are well documented and agreed upon by many liberals as well as conservatives, then you will have plenty of liberals who will discuss those specific, documented facts.


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"Why are some people so proud that Obama got re-elected." Like it's some sort of miracle, and all of our problems will be solved tomorrow.

Do you see how your question describes yourself and others that are so upset that cannot stop saying "I also love the fact that this country is several trillion more in debt". The miracle believers seems to be you.

If you hide your head in the sand I guess you will believe that everything was wonderful. Money was flowing. Eight years of taking a country to the edge and President Obama was suppose to wave his magic wand and heck it should have been fixed in one year. That is funny.

If you did not have a need to believe the talking points you would do a little history search of other Presidents and recessions and maybe your anger and the miracle you are looking for may be put in perspective.

What has changed for the better since Bush left office, and Obama took over. Riddle me that, and I'll send you a dollar.

You cannot bring yourself to explain how your health care has changed. I will send you five dollars if you answer one of my questions my stocks have recovered. Do you get that riddle?

You have only ranted the talking points no specifics.

but the only reason you are so upset is because my answers go against your head-in-the-sand ideas

I have heard this Liberals are upset many times on HT. You cannot decide if we are proud the President was re-elected or we are upset. hummmm

Where do you see upset. Do you see me ranting. I asked you a couple of questions without snark or anger. Which one of us sounds upset? Your non-answer go against nothing when you cannot answer simple questions.

Calm down I understand it is difficult. When Bush was re-elected I thought I was going to slit my wrist and draw a warm bath. But I got over it. I assure you I have never been happier I am not upset.

It is a little evil but I get a chuckle when I see some think they have posted something that they think will upset "The Libruls". Then when they see "The Libruls" are not upset they scream you are upset darn it. Then I laugh some more.


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What has changed for the better since Bush left office, and Obama took over.

We're out of Iraq.
We have a plan to get out of Afghanistan.
Osama bin Laden was brought to justice.
Tax cuts expired.
The auto industry was saved.
We didn't attack Iran.
We didn't get involved in a war with Libya.

Oh, did you want just one? You can donate my dollar to the humane society.

Edited because I thought of more things.

This post was edited by esh_ga on Wed, Feb 20, 13 at 7:59


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Bush tanked the economy, destroyed the housing market and in the process devalued our real estate by trillions. He was responsible for the loss of hundreds of thousands of jobs and for trillions in lost revenue with Bush tax cuts. He screwed the surplus and dug a deep hole that is growing deeper through no fault of the current administration Our housing market is still struggling to recover from deflation and lack of credit for home buyers, many of who have been taken out of the market in the process.

And never forget, Bush went on vacation in the summer of 2001 and ignored warning after warning from Bin Laden and AlQaida about threatened hi jackings. We lost thousands of our citizens and part of the Manhattan skyline.
Then of course Bush told repeated lies to invade Iraq.

Yes, the disaster of the Bush presidency is the cause for the deficit, our continued economic problems and a lot of suffering by people who lost their homes, lost their jobs and lost loved ones on 9/11 and later in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Those who voted for Bush have a lot of nerve trying to pin blame for the wreckage he created on President Obama.

The GOP obstructs and takes criticizes Obama at every turn but refuses to take personal responsibility for foisting Bush on us for 8 disastrous years.
Just face it. Bush wreaked havoc on our economy and we likely will not recover from it for a generation. And no, austerity is not going to stimulate the economy. On the contrary, it will contract the economy and increase human suffering tenfold.


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Thanks again, everybody, for the responses. I'm really not trying to come off as "snide," well...maybe my first post...but I really do not get where you pro-Obama people are coming from.

A housing finance collapse doesn't happen overnight....all of the moves to lead up to that were under a democrat controlled House and Senate, yet somehow, it's all George Bush's fault.

Bin Laden could have been captured years before 9/11, when Bill Clinton was running our show....but 9/11 happened, and it's George Bush's fault. You say it's because he was on vacation all the time. Where is Obama right now?

On vacation.

As of now, the economy still sucks, we are still at war....unemployment is still outrageous, gas prices have skyrocketed.....you can say all you want Heri that we didn't go to war with Libya, but how many missles have we slammed into Libya and the rest of the middle east in the last 5 years? We have a republican controlled house, a democrat "majority" in the Senate, but for whatever reason it's not the president's fault this time. Seems to be almost too convenient for the (D) supporters to get away with something like that, which is why I felt the need to chime in.

Can't have it both ways, my friends. You can type all the 2000 word essays you want Heri, but I believe Obama said it best himself. "The buck stops here."

It normally would, but too many people buy into this idea that because Bush was "so awful," that Obama could get away with murder, and his supporters would say "Well, he must have had a reason for killing that guy."


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Bin Laden could have been captured years before 9/11, when Bill Clinton was running our show....but 9/11 happened, and it's George Bush's fault.

9/11 happened in 2001. Bush left office in 2008. Seven years to capture the mastermind of this atrocity - Americans were crying out for justice. He couldn't get it done. Seven years and it didn't happen.

You asked for things that were better now. Are you saying that none of those things are valid that we listed? Or did you already give my dollar to the humane society and didn't mention that?


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  • Posted by RpR_ 3-4 (My Page) on
    Wed, Feb 20, 13 at 17:03

Posted by esh_ga z7 GA (My Page) on
Wed, Feb 20, 13 at 7:56

What has changed for the better since Bush left office, and Obama took over.

We're out of Iraq.
We have a plan to get out of Afghanistan.
Osama bin Laden was brought to justice.
Tax cuts expired.
The auto industry was saved.
We didn't attack Iran.
We didn't get involved in a war with Libya.------------Nope we have four people murdered including the ambassador.
But who cares, what he caused in Egypt is working out so well. It is so peaceful there with no extremists anywhere to be found.
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Oh yes we are trillions of dollars further in debt.
YEAH OBAMA-----To modify an old Henny Youngman joke: Take my money--PLEASE.


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Oh yes we are trillions of dollars further in debt.

Thanks to wars and tax policies that Bush started. True, Obama continued them so he owns them now, but don't forget who trashed the surplus that he inherited and send us on the road to he* in a handbasket.


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Obama said it best himself. "The buck stops here."

There you go Land. I can admire someone that takes control and recognize they are running the country. Now find where Bush thinks he said he is aware he did something wrong or accept that BUCK.

You seem to think that it is honorable to fight for someone that will not accept responsibility for their actions. Read HT. You have some of the conservatives including yourself unable to say Bush messed up. You are still saying it was the Democratic House, it was the Democratic Senate. Anybody. Blame it on the rain but not a Republican President. Do you see how hypocritical that sounds?

How has your health care changed? I ask for the 3rd time.


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marquest: "Now find where Bush thinks he said he is aware he did something wrong or accept that BUCK"

Okay:

"Katrina exposed serious problems in our response capability at all levels of government," Bush said at joint White House news conference with the president of Iraq.

"To the extent the federal government didn't fully do its job right, I take responsibility," Bush said.

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"The situation in Iraq is unacceptable to the American people, and it is unacceptable to me," Bush said. "Where mistakes have been made, the responsibility rests with me."

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"It is true that much of the intelligence turned out to be wrong," Bush said during his fourth and final speech before Thursday's vote for Iraq's parliament. "As president I am responsible for the decision to go into Iraq. And I'm also responsible for fixing what went wrong by reforming our intelligence capabilities. And we're doing just that."

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I would like to continue reading marquest's explanation of how googling "definition of accrued interest" will help me understabd debt.. Please humor me, marquest.

"Yes I have heard of google as I stated above I hope you use it to look up the "Definition of Accrued Interest" so you will have a better understanding of debt. Okay I answered your google question."
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Have at it marquest. I'm ready.


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Please humor me, marquest.

landscraper82 said.........

"Have you heard of Google? It's this great internet thingy that you can type words into and it tells you about them...."


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Marquest:

How has your health care changed? I ask for the 3rd time.

I already answered you the first time. Seriously. Did you read my response at all? You must have, because you parroted everything I said in a very mature "no I'm not, you are," type fashion.

So I know for sure Obama supporters pick and choose every single news item they want to believe, and which ones they wish, but can not, ignore. Like I said to begin with...I wasn't sure how the fella got re-elected, but now I know for sure. And thanks again, marquest.

I really don't know anymore. I have no idea how anybody could be sooooo upset with George Bush, but be so happy about Obama. Are they different people? They seem to be almost identical twins to me! This country will continue to be divided until the true majority (not 3%...which the super left loves to describe as a landslide....) gets a grip on what is truly important.

Meanwhile the middle class, the true backbone of America, continues to struggle. Obama has been in office for a looooong time, and nothing has changed. So.....Yeah For Obama!

Oh crap......wasn't "Change" his platform?

ps: Esh....consider the donation paid in advance.....even though I don't necessarily agree with your answers ;)

I have adopted two kittens and a puppy from them....the recent one (2 weeks ago) was a Bengal kitten! Very strange for them to have a breed such as that.....but very very cool at the same time! They are bred a few generations ago with Asian Leopards....I have never heard of them before a few weeks ago, but wow....striking color of gold, with black rosettes blotching the skin....deep deep green glowing eyes....just awesome ;)

Don't get me wrong, I love my yellow lab to death (named Gunner....are you surprised? :) But yeah....I might just end up a cat guy.

Whoops.....slightly off topic! Anyhoo...Like I said originally, I absolutely do not condone Bush's actions as president....but according to some of the posters here (not you, Esh, your postings are very intelligent, and I enjoy reading them....as well as Lily's....I might get a little heated and careless at times with my responses, but I'm never looking to make enemies,) it seems that if you don't agree with every single thing Obama says and does you are just another "faux" news watcher (which I'm not,) and need to be swept under the rug.


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Please humor me, marquest.

landscraper82 said.........

"Have you heard of Google? It's this great internet thingy that you can type words into and it tells you about them...."

I thought that was pretty funny too ;)


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it seems that if you don't agree with every single thing Obama says and does you are just another "faux" news watcher (which I'm not,) and need to be swept under the rug.

Seriously, there are non-conservatives here that do not agree with every single thing that Obama says. nancy in venice for example and many others, myself included.

I don't like what he's done with environmental issues, fracking, drilling; I don't like that he hasn't gone after Wall St. abuses, that he didn't investigate George Bush and Dick Cheney for what they did in Iraq (starting a war with little justification). And other things.

He is just the better of the two choices. He's not perfect. And many of us here say that over and over.

P.S. congratulations on your new cat! We have six ... and a dog.


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Really, you guys are ridiculous.

Who said anyone was great? No such thing as a great politician these days. Doesn't matter the party they belong to. They're all greedy and self-serving.

You people need to get on some medication. Step out of your caves and into the real world.


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