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And then there's Rand Paul

Posted by duluthinbloomz4 zone 4a (My Page) on
Sun, Feb 17, 13 at 18:23

Here's the whole article from Salon:

"A Republican senator says he sees some in his party favoring a 2016 presidential candidate with an immigration policy that would “round people up … and send them back to Mexico.”

Sen. Rand Paul of Kentucky on Sunday said he would be a presidential candidate if he thought he could win. The tea party favorite says he sees an opening for a “libertarian Republican narrative” to help the GOP win on the West Coast and New England.

Paul says people want a party that’s “less aggressive on foreign policy” and drug laws. Paul says he sees voters wanting, quote, “somebody who wants to round people up, put in camps and send them back to Mexico.”

A Paul spokeswoman, Moira Bagley, didn’t offer further explanation.

Paul spoke on “Fox News Sunday.”

I don't watch Fox News as a general rule and this AM was no exception.

Just as an aside, the Hispanic population in Kentucky ranks 38th in the nation. About 130,000 Hispanics reside in Kentucky, 0.3% of all Hispanics in the United States. There are 41,000 Hispanic eligible voters in Kentucky - ranking 39th. (2012 Pew Hispanic Center tabulations)

I suppose alienating this small voting block doesn't bother Rand. Keeping his Senate seat in subsequent elections will surely be a lot easier than winning the big chair in the oval office.


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Her should just pack it in now and move over to Fox.


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He'll be trapped at the state level. No way that works nationally.


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There is something incoherent about this OP. The West Coast will not react well to rounding up Mexicans or other illegals for deportation.


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I agree with you marshall, but these are apparently Rand Paul's ideas/ words and how he and his merry band of followers view things without having their fingers on the majority pulse of the nation. Would it be one of those "not quite getting it" moments like referring to Russia as the Soviet Union?


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Maybe before you all get even more excited about "what Rand Paul said", you sould read the retraction:

"Is that what Paul said?"

Date: 02/17/2013 01:44 PM

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WASHINGTON (AP) ��" The Associated Press has withdrawn its story about Sen. Rand Paul, R-Ky., saying he sees some in the his party favoring a 2016 presidential candidate with an immigration policy that would “round up people … and send them back to Mexico.” That quote was in the transcript of “Fox News Sunday” that was distributed after Paul’s interview on the show. A subsequent Associated Press review of an audio recording of the show determined that the transcript had dropped the word “don’t” from that quote, and Paul actually said, “They don’t want somebody who wants to round people up, put them in camps and send them back to Mexico.”

Feelin' kinda clueless there, all you informed grown ups?


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Foolish fake crowing notwithstanding, he's not electable outside of Kentucky. People aren't stupid.


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Elvis, cut the attitude. That was my point: he could not reasonably say what he was quoted as saying because that would go away from the new Party platform developing to attract more minority voters.

What is it? Something in the Wisconsin snow?


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I looked around to see if there was any more reporting on this by the more mainstream media outlets but didn't find much of anything.


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The Associated Press has retracted it, but not before it was distributed and picked up by a lot of sites that use the AP.

It's not much of a story now that we find out that the supplied transcript dopped the word "don't".

Wish I could retract the posting. I don't like Rand Paul or the horse he rode in on and wouldn't vote for him for anything were I a Kentuckian, but misquotes are unfair.


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Duluth, no problem.

It could happen to anyone and often does here. The point is recognizing the information is wrong and acknowledging it.


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The key thing politically is this:

The tea party favorite says he sees an opening for a “libertarian Republican narrative” to help the GOP win on the West Coast and New England.

No opening exists. Not going to happen at the national level.

Let us not lose sight here of what is important: an average candidate would have any fringe candidate for lunch. A decent candidate would make sure a fringe candidate doesn't get out of the primaries.

Next.


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The difference, duluth, is you realize the information was not correct (even though you had no way of knowing that when you posted) and admit it. Unlike others that will either defend their OP or exit the conversation never to return.

But, I agree with WxDano. This line:

The tea party favorite says he sees an opening for a “libertarian Republican narrative” to help the GOP win on the West Coast and New England.

apparently was correct and is really laughable. Well, it just shows you how out of touch they are. I hope they stay that way.


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The same arc will happen as what happened with the anti-zoning/pro-private property rights movement that Koch tried (and shifted to politics and Paul et al): try at the national level. Fail. Move to the state level. Fail.

We easily defeated Koch's PPR movement at the state level because as soon as people understood what it is about, they reject it. Same with libertarian politics. Rand Paul will not be president. His politics are too creepy.


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T Party ideology is for the most part a "libertarian Republican narrative."
Although that narrative appears to have run out of a bit of steam since 2010, Rand Paul and the T Party Republican House members press on. They are having an enormous impact in blocking legislation and maintaining the Republican controlled House on its path of obstruction. We should neither ignore them nor underestimate their political power.

Here is a link that might be useful: Something in the Wisconsin snow


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The T-Ba----s are dragging down the R Party. Something must be done or they will finish the ruination of that once-proud party.


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He's about as Libertarian as a sack of bat guano!


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No, libertarianism is the problem. Rand Paul is just poster boy for a deeply flawed ideology.

" Libertarianism itself is what’s stupid here, not just Paul. We should stop tip-toeing around this belief system like its adherents are the noble last remnants of a dying breed, still clinging to their ancient, proud ways.

...never, has there been capitalist enterprise that wasn’t ultimately underwritten by the state.

Libertarians like Paul are walking around with the idea that the world could just snap back to a naturally-occurring benign order if the government stopped interfering. As Paul implied, good people wouldn’t shop at the racist stores, so there wouldn’t be any.

This is the belief system of people who have been the unwitting recipients of massive government backing for their entire lives. To borrow a phrase, they were born on third base, and think they hit a triple."

Here is a link that might be useful: The lesson of Rand Paul: libertarianism is juvenile


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