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Posted by hamiltongardener CAN 6a (My Page) on Sat, Feb 11, 12 at 20:39
| No real details being released, just that she has died.
Wow... it shouldn't be surprising but it still catches you off guard. |
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| I know!! I thought she was straightening her life out! of course, I'm making an assumptioin that I probably shouldn't make. But either way, a terrific talent with one of the most beautiful voices of all time gone WELL before her time. |
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| Well, I'm going to assume it was drugs as well. She was out earlier this week doing some pre-Grammy appearances. No news of battling anything (cancer, etc) that I know of. If you're playing the odds, it would be drug related so your assumption is probably a good one. Her voice was so beautiful. So sad. |
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Apparently, she was at Clive Davis' pre-Grammy party at the Beverly Hilton, was at the Kelly Price party with her daughter last night. The more cynical among us might speculate that od'ing at thee party to be at the night before the Grammys is a surefire way to be memorialized at the ceremonies, but let me just say RIP to a talented, troubled lady. ============= February 11, 2012 2:51 PM (AP) BEVERLY HILLS, Calif. - The annual pre-Grammy Clive Davis gala is so hot this year that even Diddy is getting calls from celebrities who are trying to get on the bill -- and in the seats. Diddy will introduce Davis at the event Saturday, held one day before the Grammy Awards. Davis said Diddy called his cellphone Friday, saying, "Everybody is trying to get me to call you." "The demand is so overwhelming," said Davis, who has hosted the event for 37 years. "How do you tell people who've been coming for 10, 20 years, that it's not a lifetime pass?" The pre-Grammy party is always white-hot and has featured performances from top acts like Whitney Houston, Aretha Franklin and Carlos Santana. This year, The Kinks will take the stage to play a medley of their hits, with the help of Jackson Browne and Elvis Costello. Mumford & Sons are hoping to arrive in time to get in on the performance, Davis said. "It remains to be seen if their flight lands early enough, if we'll go on without a rehearsal. But Mumford & Sons (said), '(They're) our biggest influence. We love Ray Davies, we love The Kinks.'" At the Beverly Hilton on Friday, Alicia Keys was getting ready to rehearse. Monica and Brandy will also hit the stage. Vintage clips of the annual event played on the big screen, showing performances from Houston, Lou Reed, Rod Stewart, Aretha Franklin and Usher. Houston isn't on the performance list, but that could change. "It's her favorite night of the year ... (so) who knows by the end of the evening," said Davis, who founded Arista Records and is now the chief creative officer of Sony Music Entertainment. |
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| She will be missed. Too sad. |
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| I'm sitting here watching the news reports on her death and it's irking me quite a bit that people keep talking about "discovering" her or stories about the beginning of her career hinting that she came up as an unknown or a nobody. Her mom is Cissy Houston, her cousin is Dionne Warwick, Aretha Franklin is something like a cousin or an aunt...can't remember. Point being, she did not just show up from obscurity. Granted, she made it in music on her incredible talent, but she wasn't "discovered" after paying her dues in some smoky club. She came from a well known musical family. |
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| She was a great talent and will be missed. Regardless of how she got her break the she had talent. |
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| That is odd HG. Houston grew up in Newark, NJ in New Hope Baptist Church choir. Doesn't matter where she came from, her voice was a gift that would be heard. Very sad. Such a talent. My thoughts go to her mother and daughter. |
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| I once had a serious crush on her and her voice. I probably still have her original LPs in storage. Such a lost talent so early on. I was hoping for her having a second sucessful career. CNN was showing many video clips of her and "handlers" over recent weeks. She seems pretty strung out. None of the clips included her speaking voice. |
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| I'll never forget her singing the National Anthem at the Super Bowl a few years back. |
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| No, it doesn't matter what gave her the big break. As I said, she made it in the music industry because of her incredible talent. It's the news media that is irking me. Do they think it makes the story sexier if they bend a few details? A rags-to-riches story makes a better angle? A girl discovered in anonymity makes for a better angle, I guess. it's just irking me that they are ignoring or using misleading words like that. |
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| God rest her tortured soul. Such a voice. Her rendition of " l will always love you" from the movie the "Body Guard" is one of my all time favorites. |
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| Sad a great talent hopefully it wasn't preventable! |
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| I saw her picture on the National Enquirer at the grocery store tonight. It was a terrible picture, and the headline said drug ravaged and old looking. Then when I got home I heard she died. What a sad story. She had a magnificent voice. Her 'I Will Always Love You' has always been a favorite of mine. Some of today's stars should look to her to see how to sing the Star Spangled Banner. I hope the Grammy's do a tasteful tribute to her. |
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| Rx drugs and drowning are probable causes. |
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| May she rest in peace. What a beautiful, beautiful voice she had. It's a shame she lived such a troubled life. Houston was criticized by some in the black community for selling out to pop music and not being black enough, and it reportedly bothered her a great deal. There was even speculation that she originally became involved with Bobby Brown to prove her "blackness." :( |
Singing National Anthem
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| While folks are talking about her rendition of the National Anthem at one of the Superbowls, I think her rendition below is even better and just absolutely gorgeous. (She is singing for returning vets, I believe.) |
Here is a link that might be useful: Whitney Houston
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- Posted by natal Louisiana 8b (My Page) on
Sun, Feb 12, 12 at 11:10
| Bill Flanagan said it well on CBS Sunday Morning: "Whitney Houston was a public figure her whole adult life. She battled her demons in the public eye. Today, everyone will praise her. Tonight at the Grammys, she will be paid tribute. In the next few days she will be eulogized. That's as it should be, she deserves it. But wouldn't it be great if all of us could then leave it at that? Let's ignore the gossip press and scandal media that will try to exploit her memory now that she can't defend herself. Whitney Houston touched millions of us, but she does not belong to us. She was someone's daughter. She was someone's mother. Her memory, like her love, belongs to them. The rest of us will always have her music. When the eulogies have ended, let's let Whitney Houston rest in peace." |
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| This news makes me so sad. She had a house in NJ not too far from where we lived and people were always abuzz with Whitney and Bobby sightings. May she rest in peace. Her beautiful voice will never be forgotten. |
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| Very sad. Yet another talented person who lost their fight with their own demons. Hamilton, I don't think its accurate to say she got her break because of her relation to Aretha or Dionne. That is more of an interesting factoid than a ticket to the big times. Sure she was from a singing tradition and undoubtedly benefited from their tutelage, but she worked her way up and made her own success by singing well, attracting fans, selling albums, and selling tickets. Her fans didn't fall in love with her voice because of some distant relation. |
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| kt, Not sure why people are misunderstanding what I said. YES, she made it in music because she had the talent and attracted her own fans. But her break was not because she was "discovered" (which the news media kept saying last night) like she was an unknown or something. She had connections to the music industry already and they were introduced to her through her mother. It's like saying Drew Barrymore or Nicholas Cage were "discovered". |
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| For every singer who makes it big, there are hundreds of others out there with just as much talent. Whitney Houston's connections helped get her foot in the door, which is something that many others just dream of. She was darn lucky in that regard. This isn't to take away from her talent, but it takes more than that - be it connections, timing, luck, exceptional beauty, etc. |
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| hamiltongardener, I understand that you are not saying she was not talented. But you feel how she got to where she was is not being reported by the news media correctly. I understand that and it could be true but..... There have been many back up singers that do not make an impression. But I never was under the impression that because she had famous people in her life that it had anything to do with making it easier to get special attention. I was always under the impression from her first album that her connections played a very little part if any part with her discovery. This was what I have read and it could not be true you never know for sure how things happen unless it happens to you. True I have seen some famous people that their family connection get them an appointment to go directly to the studio and they get a album deal without a blink. That never seemed to be the case with Whitney. Read the article below. Does it sound like the news is reporting her rise to the top sound like they are reporting her rise in a bias way? Every report I am hearing mention her family and their accomplishments. But it does not seem that they were the road to her having easy success. It has never been disputed so the reporters are only reporting what they can confirm. |
Here is a link that might be useful: Whitney Road to Success
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| I dunno how long ago, but I watched some video montage of her early singing, when she was a teenager, singing in the church choir. Even then, she had extraordinary talent. Now I would guess that her family encouraged her, and pointed her in the right direction to develop it, but there aren't that many singers, including opera, that can do what she did in her prime. |
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| Well, there are more than a few racists who posted on FoxNews about her death. I won't link to the site, but believe me, the comments are sickening. What is it about FOX that attracts these people (a rhetorical question)? |
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| Apparently Jennifer Hudson is to sing a tribute to Whitney Houston on the Grammy Awards tonight: sure to be a three Kleenex affair for me. |
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| I understand what HG is saying, it's innacurate reporting - the type which changes the perception of the atmosphere of the biography of her early career in the eyes of her public, a public which granted her the success she enjoyed -and is unnecessary inaccurate reporting to boot. Of course even with all her astounding connections in the music business, Houston would not have made it if she didn't have the voice to do so, and she also had exceptional looks too which enhanced her entire presentation. For someone born with such gifts that were free to her to develop and refine, her life and how she lived it is a terrible shame and waste. I heard a clip of her last comeback that flopped and her voice was essentially gone - which was just terrible and unnecessary waste. I am also making the assumption that her death is drug abuse related because how she lived her life for the past 15 years indicates it, but if it was not I do so hope that she was singing again and re-defining the voice. I always thought that Striesand and Houston's voices were *the* voices of the last half of the 20th century or even to date - though Adele and Christine Aguilera's powerhouse voice comes close, nobody really has matched the splendor of either of those two powerhouse voices, to me. I suspect that her death was a result of related present or past drug abuse. Nobody can abuse their body with drugs and/or alcohol for years and not pay a real, visible physical price - even with all the money and connections in the world, it still ruins one's looks , one's health, one's innate gifts, their overall life and forever changes the lives of those around them to some irreversable degree. Part of the addiction is that the person so often simply cannot see it despite the obviousness of it and will deny, deny, deny the addiction, and the fact that it has changed them and the relationships with those around them so much. That is the part of drug addiction I've never understood if they are still in denial. The fact that they use so much of one or many drugs, that they can't function in life, that their ability to support themselves is gone, that they live isolated lives, especially that they have lost the exceptional looks they once had, has had problems with the law - even in the face of all of it they will find some reason to deny that it is a real addiction or that the blame is due to drug use - it's always something else. If they even have a real recognition that their lives are actually terrible. That is the part I don't understand, they can be so obviously bright and intelligent about everything when using their brain- but will have no self perception about the problem which has ruined their life. Obviously I have someone important to me who lives a life of addiction. The very act of denial of addiction in the face of the obvious facts is a hallmark of addiction. I hope that in this decade we will make discoveries about addiction which will provide real and viable cures - even better yet, workable preventions. |
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- Posted by bboy USDA 8 Sunset 5 WA (My Page) on
Mon, Feb 13, 12 at 0:33
| You're talking about opiates, specifically. |
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| I don't know the exact and specific drug but it is in the "pain medication" family, probably whatever is available at the time. I love her, she was a stunning beauty who was so intelligent, could have had a good productive life and instead is now middle aged, lives with her parents (again) does not have custody of her child, hasn't for most of the child's life. I do love her very much, despite everything I think she has a loving heart. Of course I have never had to clean up after her throughout her life, so it's easy for me. All of it has had a profound effect upon her parents. |
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| Seems like an Elvis moment... |
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| As more is released, we will undoubtedly know more. Whitney Houston was surrounded by talented relatives and connections within the business. She was a talent herself, I feel. The wold of celebrity is a tough one, more so for some than others, filled with temptations and stresses some of us may never encounter or understand... and we just don't know beyond what the media tells us. Another sad loss for the world... |
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| Elvis on the toilet, Whitney in the tub, is there a message here? |
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| I blame that jackass Bobby Brown for a wealth of Whitney's problems. He played as just as big a part in her death as drugs did. |
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| Whitney was smart and had plenty of options, more than many. Bobby Brown didn't do anything she didn't let him--her death may or may not be her fault but I do not see how it can be his, unless we go to the victim mentality of no one has a choice in their decisions, who they spend time with, who the marry and or procreate with, what they do to their body, etc. We all make choices and we sometimes pay dearly for them. |
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- Posted by lenam Fitzwalkerstan (My Page) on
Mon, Feb 13, 12 at 10:03
| So concludes today's lesson on "Personal Responsibility". |
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| Apparently we need more of them, lenam. Look at what society is burdened with--the aftermath of lack of personal responsibility. That distracts us from solving the problems of society that are NOT from lack of personal responsibility. I read that Whitney Houston's daughter has made two trips to the hospital for "anxiety." I wonder what kind of life she's going to have. |
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| Another person dead who from the outside looked like she had everything. We take what we know of Whitney Houston's death and extrapolate what could have been an accidental fall into a bath tub so that it becomes the cause and effect of an irresponsible life and bad life choices. We will never know what her life was like for heror what were the options she had to choose from (they are not the same for everyone)I do know that she sang some belters was an attractive woman and was not a bad actress either: I'll settle for that and leave the speculation to others, something I shall ignore for the rest of this thread. |
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| "Elvis on the toilet, Whitney in the tub, is there a message here?" Not really, just that the bathroom is where you go for privacy, and most abuse drugs in private. News today is that she didn't drown, but that Zanax and alcohol were in her system. Her daughter is on suicide watch. |
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She went through rehab didn't learn, would't learn, couldn't learn I don't know which was the case. I can't judge that or her after going through rehab I curiously agree with Demi. You have to pick the drink up & swallow it yourself, you have to find the doctor to give you the pill buy it & swallow it with the drink. You already know that it won/can't/will never stop what some folks describe as core pain. Yeah Bobby Brown was an influence but he didn't pour the drink down her throat or put the pills in her mouth. Drug & alcohol abusers/addicts/dependent people have curious relationship styles. Rarely interdependent & stable often codependent & chaotic with enablers all over the place. I agree with Bird there are many talented people in the world who don't get the breaks that some get. A former coworker is touring with "Wicked" what a voice! She used to do food orders & the mail where I worked & bemoan the fact that if she just got a chance but endless auditions/classes can wear you down as well as some of the unkind things people say to you. She got her chance is touring & is loving her life & can handle it even though she had to let go of her boyfriend. My friend Cathy grew up in this life both mother & father studio performers. She said unless your willing to be on a flight at midnight on New Years while the guy you just married is back in NY performing you should just turn the other way now honey this ain't for you. Janis IAN'S STARS is in my head Barbara Cook's rendition is heartbreaking & she lived it the hard way! [edit] I was never one for singing What I really feel Except tonight, I'm I’m bringing Everything I know that's real that’s real. Stars they come and go They come fast or slow They go like the last light of the sun, all in a blaze and all you see is glory But Hey but it gets lonely there when there's there’s no one here to share . We can shake it away If you’ll hear a story story. People lust for fame Like athletes in a game we break our collarbones and come up swinging Some of us are downed Some of us are crowned and some are lost and never found But most have seen it all They live their lives in sad cafes and And music halls They always have a story come up singing. Some make it when they're they’re young before the world has done its dirty job and later on, someone will say "You've had your day Now you must make way" But they'll they’ll never know the pain of living with a name you never owned or the many years forgetting what you know too well. The That the ones who gave the crown have been let down You try to make amends without defending Perhaps pretending. Perhaps pretending You never saw the eyes of grown men of twenty five that followed as you walked and asked for autographs or kissed you on the cheek and you never could can’t believe they really loved you . Some make it when they're old (Perhaps they have a soul they're not afraid to bare . Or perhaps there's nothing there) Stars they come and go They come fast They come slow They go like the last light Of the sun, all in a blaze And all you see is glory But most have seen it all. They live their lives in sad cafes And music halls They always have a story. Some women have a body men will want to see, so they put it on display Some people play a fine guitar I could listen to them play all day Some ladies really move across a stage and gee, they sure can dance I guess I could learn how if I gave it half a chance. but I always feel so funny when my body tries to soar. and I seem to always worry about missing the next chord I guess there isn't isn’t anything to put up on display . except the tune and whatever else I say. Anyway, But anyway, that isn't isn’t really what I meant to say - - I meant to tell a story I live from day to day Stars they come and go They come in fast or They come slow TheyAnd they go like the last light of the sun, all in a blaze and all you see is glory But most have seen it all They live their lives in sad cafes and And music halls Andwe always have a story. So if you don't don’t lose patience with my fumbling around, I’ll come up singing for you even when I'm down I’m down. I doubt I could have walked a block in Whitney's heels but she wouldn't be able to walk a block in my sneakers. Lets all stay inside our own shoes be content it wasn't your life that went that way & try to enjoy the music. |
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- Posted by bboy USDA 8 Sunset 5 WA (My Page) on
Mon, Feb 13, 12 at 13:37
| The personal responsibility reference was of course to the modern right wing mantra that says when businesses screw individuals it is the fault of the individual. This is what is behind the recurring comments made here by certain parties, there is a shared belief and desire by those so inclined to let business get away with pretty much everything - when it gets right down to it. So the victims are blamed, out of fear that to do otherwise will cut into the ability of businesses to pile up money. This is not the same thing as genuine personal responsibility, in the conventional sense. |
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| The 1% has too much playtime and it overcomes them. |
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| Ditto what petaloid said. |
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| Beautiful gospel revival service for Whitney Houston today. I was home sick and able to watch the entire 3 1/2 hour memorial. Very moving....sad and almost inspirational at the same time. She will be missed by so many. I hope she found her peace. |
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| I watched snippets of it. Dignified yet celebratory. It was moving. I just can't wrap my mind around why a woman with such a beautiful voice and looks who soared to great heights, self destruct? Looks like her daughter is heading down the same road. |
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| Looks like her daughter is heading down the same road. Lily, I was going to start a post about Bobby Brown but it is probably fitting to incorporate his issue here. Your parents have such a big influence on your life and how you cope with "Life". I wonder about her surviving parent and what effect he will have. Regardless if people think that he was/was not to blame for Whitney's problems it seems clear he was not a helpful influence in Whitney's life as a spouse. How will he influence his daughter? |
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- Posted by bboy USDA 8 Sunset 5 WA (My Page) on
Sun, Feb 19, 12 at 16:04
| Addicts are borne addicts. Overcoming addiction is a separate problem not taken away by success in other areas. |
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| Her daughter was in some magazine snorting coke and has been to rehab a few times, I read. Whitney took her partying since she was a young kid. |
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| Yes, their child is the one I feel for, one tends to mimic their parents at least for awhile until they are fully their own person. She saw way, way too much. Fortunately, as far as I can tell she has a wonderful extended family on her maternal side and I hope that they can provide her with another way of life to emulate. One can hope that she sees how badly things went for her mother and she makes the choice to walk away forever from addictive substances. That is entirely possible, many children of addicts do make that choice for life. My husband is the child of a *lot* of alcoholism on his paternal side and he chose in his early 20's, after some normal early adult partying, to leave it all alone and he was completely successful and totally content with his choice. He has no problem at all being at parties, he just doesn't drink and finally people no longer push hard at him to do so. It was odd, until his mid 40's, it got to the point of irritating how a few would always push HARD for him to drink too, the few close friends who drank too darn much themselves. One suddenly and completely quit in his late 40's, we lost touch of the other one. Both were going to be in trouble if they didn't leave it alone and I was so happy when the one finally wised up. But I wondered why it woudl be such an issue with them to try to get him to drink, knowing his background and how he felt about it. His father was a functioning alcoholic - not a great parent to have although my husband dearly loved him but he never knew who his father could have been when sober for any extended period of time - like say from one weekend to the next. Never happened in his memory. He can't remember his father going a single night without at least one martini, not in DH's entire lifetime of memory. He is dead now, he was fighting cancer but was also an alcoholic to the end and I think the combined alcohol with all the cancer meds is what finally ended him. |
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- Posted by bboy USDA 8 Sunset 5 WA (My Page) on
Tue, Feb 21, 12 at 0:31
| I'd think drunks wouldn't want a sober person pooping on their party. Unless, of course, he's the designated driver. |
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| Well this takes the cake. Westboro Baptist Church tweeted a photo of a group of protestors at Whitney Houston's funeral. The only problem is that they weren't at her funeral and they were photo-shopped into the photo. What a pathetic bunch of morons. |
Here is a link that might be useful: source
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- Posted by bboy USDA 8 Sunset 5 WA (My Page) on
Wed, Feb 22, 12 at 17:23
| What? A church claiming a mythological event happened? How out of character. |
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