|
| Last week I was accused of not being able to read and more seriously of being an antisemite. I would like to quote MJ Rosenberg in this regard, he says "To trivialise anti-Semitism (and by extension the Holocaust) by tossing the "anti-Semite" charge around with joyful recklessness is ugly, disrespectful, and obscene." |
Here is a link that might be useful: misuse of language
Follow-Up Postings:
|
| There will always be haters in this world, Ink, who want everyone else to think and act and live just as they do. Unfortunately for them, reality doesn't work the way they're programmed to believe. :-) |
|
| ink - I am Jewish and I did not perceive anything you said as anti-semitic. I think the fact that it clearly bothered you that someone called you that shows that you care. And it should bother you. From what I've seen, it's not true. Just because you do not support the force used by the Israeli government does not make you an anti-semite. If it did, then call me one too! |
|
- Posted by woodnymph2 (My Page) on Tue, Mar 20, 12 at 12:49
| And me, too. |
|
- Posted by nancy_in_venice_ca SS24 z10 CA (My Page) on Tue, Mar 20, 12 at 16:00
| Last week I was accused of... being an antisemite. I saw that accusation, and I apologize for not offering a rebuttal in your defense. That label is often used when information countering hasbara is presented. MJ Rosenberg has been receiving his share of attacks from Alan Dershowitz and the usual suspects. From Rosenberg's site: I have been under assault by various people on the right for my vigorous criticism of AIPAC and its role in promoting confrontation with Iran. My critics are particularly irked that I use the term Israel Firster to describe people who, in my opinion, put the interests of the Israeli right above everything else. This includes politicians such as Newt Gingrich, who as far as I know, is not Jewish. Watching the AIPAC conference convinced me that I must recommit myself to fighting those who are working to lead this country and/or Israel to war in Iran. |
|
- Posted by maddie_athome (My Page) on Tue, Mar 20, 12 at 16:23
| I second every comment. It's their favourite M.O. to silence criticism, along with the "self-hating Jew", to silence dissent. Both are thrown around here, we're quite used to it. Me, I don't even bother adressing their baseless BS. Ink, don't let them get to you! |
|
| I simply don't understand why being critical of Israel's actions and policies equates to antisemitism. Is being critical of Iran's or Palestine's actions and policies anti Muslim? One can be critical of a countries polices without being critical or judgmental of the predominant religion. |
|
| "Is being critical of Iran's or Palestine's actions and policies anti Muslim?" Yes, but it doesn't matter because the fact that Muslims are terrorists has been drummed into America's head, I say with sarcasm. |
|
| Some folks have a hard time between anti antisemitism & anti Zionism. There is no excuse for the former & many apologists for the later. |
|
| I didn't see the accusation and don't know who this person who made it could have been - but I can only see where this person throwing that accusation around must have been one who stumbled upon this site, stirred the pot just for the fun of it and then left - because anyone who reads in this forum for any length of time longer than, say (to be completely fair) three weeks would know that if they were going to make up a list of probable candidates in this forum which could come close to fitting the term of being anti semitic, Ink would be one of the very last names on that list to ponder. It's simply not in his nature. Anyone who has been paying attention knows that already. So if it was somebody who has been here even a fairly short while, that was just a vicious hit with an ugly stick Ink, one not worthy of any notice at all. |
|
- Posted by marshallz10 z9-10 CA (My Page) on Wed, Mar 21, 12 at 7:13
| I too missed the offending/offensive slur and stand up for Ink along side the above defenders. |
|
| Thanks everyone, obviously self knowledge covers it for me but none the less it hurt and it is good to know that hers is a minority view. |
|
| Rosenberg sounds like my kind of guy, judging from all I know about him which is the above partial article. Most of us are horrified here of what might happen should there be a shooting war, and NO, we don't want one. Has anyone seen the internet Iranian/Israeli posters flying around n Faceboook? I don't have FB, bu GF does and they are really wonderful.. I'll ask her to give me the link. I am well aware how bandying about "antisemite" is used for anyone who doesn't agree with the extremist right in Israel. I have known antisemiitism, and disagreeing with the U.S. and Israel''s government polices on this issue, ain't it. |
|
- Posted by maggie2094 (My Page) on Wed, Mar 21, 12 at 8:52
| I didn't see that thread...that is very wrong to carelessly use that term. I have never seen that from Ink. Anti-war is the term I would use. John Stewart did a funny bit on this recently..."Hebrew Nationalist" |
Here is a link that might be useful: In Israel you are allowed to criticize Israel
|
- Posted by marshallz10 z9-10 CA (My Page) on Wed, Mar 21, 12 at 9:05
| They must be the tax-paying job creators unless in the Rabbinical class. |
|
- Posted by haydayhayday none (My Page) on Wed, Mar 21, 12 at 9:59
| I saw this article that discusses the "Iranian/Israeli posters flying around n Faceboook"
I think that's just wonderful. Hay |
|
- Posted by marshallz10 z9-10 CA (My Page) on Wed, Mar 21, 12 at 10:09
| (((Hay-more))) |
|
| Yup, that's the one! |
|
| Bravo! |
|
| Wow, what started as a grumble ends with happy faces-wonderful, Hay. |
|
| Way to go Hay...... :) |
|
| I was going to ignore ink's nonsense (a close relative of "nuisance"), but have chosen to respond. As many here didn't read the pertinent thread, I don't feel what ink has represented is totally accurate or complete. Here is his OP: "...a tooth for a tooth a notion of retaliation that Israel interprets as: you send some rockets over that are a nuisance even though nobody gets hurt and so in return we send hi tech weaponry over in the middle of the night and kill 20 or more people and injure a few more. Seems only fair doncha think." I in fact, specifically requested of Nancy NOT to muddle the issue of politics vs people. And in my mind, this thread of ink's wasn't about Israeli politics, just about people whose deaths and daily trauma was trivilalized and minimized by his use of the word "nuisance". Here was my response: "If you are going to take my words, take them correctly ink. There's nothing worse than an anti-semite who can't read. And yes, anyone who characterizes suicide bombers and rocket attacks as a "nuisance" is not normal. Here's another "nuisance": "On December 26, 2008 a mortar aimed at Israel killed two Palestinian girls in the Gaza Strip, aged 5 and 12." Wiki" I stand by my post that ANYONE who characterizes these types of actions against any group of innocent people as a "nuisance", either is heartless or a hater. |
|
- Posted by marshallz10 z9-10 CA (My Page) on Wed, Mar 21, 12 at 20:04
| meanie! We need to get a poster for paulines. |
|
| 'FBI Most Wanted' maybe, Marshall? |
|
| Speaking out against Israeli policy is all it takes these days to bring the charge of anti-semitism. Which, as has been pointed out, diminishes the charge to nothingness. Actual anti-semites will have be given a new descriptor. In fact they have been, hence the popularity of the term 'neo-nazi'. |
Please Note: Only registered members are able to post messages to this forum. If you are a member, please log in. If you aren't yet a member, join now!
Return to the Hot Topics Forum
Instructions
- You must be a registered member and logged in to post messages on our forums.
- Posting is a two-step process. Once you have composed your message, you will be taken to the preview page. You will then have a chance to review the contents and make changes.
- After posting your message, you may need to refresh the forum page in order to see it.
- It is illegal to post copyrighted material without the owner's consent.
- HTML codes are allowed in the message field only.
- No advertising is allowed in any of the forums.
- If you would like to practice posting or uploading photos, please visit our Test forum.
- If you need assistance, please Contact Us and we will be happy to help.