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Posted by don_socal socal (My Page) on
Sun, Mar 10, 13 at 19:26

From "Scrooge"

"First Collector: At this festive time of year, Mr. Scrooge, it is more than usually desirable that we should make some slight provision for the poor and destitute.
Ebenezer: Are there no prisons?
First Collector: Plenty of prisons.
Ebenezer: And the union workhouses - are they still in operation?
First Collector: They are. I wish I could say they were not.
Ebenezer: Oh, from what you said at first I was afraid that something had happened to stop them in their useful course. I'm very glad to hear it.
First Collector: I don't think you quite understand us, sir. A few of us are endeavoring to buy the poor some meat and drink, and means of warmth.
Ebenezer: Why?
First Collector: Because it is at Christmastime that want is most keenly felt, and abundance rejoices. Now what can I put you down for?
Ebenezer: Huh! Nothing!
Second Collector: You wish to be anonymous?
Ebenezer: [firmly, but calmly] I wish to be left alone. Since you ask me what I wish sir, that is my answer. I help to support the establishments I have named; those who are badly off must go there.
First Collector: Many can't go there.
Second Collector: And some would rather die. "

From the article...

"This represents the “public face” of Walmart �" leading consumers to believe they are firmly against such exploitation, refusing to “profit” off of forced labor. Their “ALEC face” is entirely different, exposing their public persona as a mask of deceit.

Throughout their membership in ALEC Walmart has helped write and sponsor specific legislation that benefited their bottom line, regardless of the impact upon workers, consumers or voters. Walmart has tried to indicate that they hold a membership in ALEC because through ALEC they have a voice on issues important to their company. In addition they say they don’t always support ALEC’s agenda on social issues. Both assertions are not true. While denying US workers their desire to unionize, and helping ALEC develop their anti-Union model bills; ending collective bargaining and Right to Work �" Walmart readily agreed to unionization of workers in their China outlets in 2006."

"That is the game they chose to play �" and ALEC the team they played for. What some are not aware of is that ALEC wrote important legislation in the mid-1990′s that Walmart also took advantage of. This legislation is titled the Prison Industries Act. Under this legislation (already adopted in more than 30 states nationwide) private companies can have access to prisoners as a labor or workforce (under this model bill, agricultural products and services are exempt from wage requirements).

Paid minimum wage or less, many companies make thousands of products for us as consumers; flooring, produce, processed food products, furniture, office systems, clothing, after market auto parts…the list is endless. It serves as a great way for American corporations to proudly attach labels declaring “Made in USA”. Walmart has tried to hide their use of prison labor for more than two decades by using sub-contractors and cut-outs, while claiming they will not do business with any supplier who uses such labor.

Since 1991 Walmart has been buying produce from a huge farm corporation out of Arizona �" Martori Farms. According to Hoover’s profile of the company, Martori is “a fruit and vegetable grower, packer, shipper, and wholesaler and is the largest commercial agricultural company in Arizona. In 2007 Walmart celebrated their partnership with Martori in an article put out by Walmart Corporate, “16-Year Relationship Between Wal-Mart and Arizona Business Grows, Thrives” where Walmart claimed;"

I remember reading about how traffic tickets can sometimes become huge fines and if not paid can land the ticketed person in jail where the jail owners are independent entities and intent on keeping them full. Guess they make money more ways thanwere discussed in that article.

It gets much more interesting as you read...

Here is a link that might be useful: Walmart & ALEC �


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I haven't stepped foot inside a Walmart in a very long time... and I won't.


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I know there are many that do not have a choice but to shop at Walmart. I am thankful I am not one of them. They will not get one dime from me.


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I haven't spent a dime in WalMart since I vacationed in MO and ARK where there often was no alternative.


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  • Posted by ohiomom 3rdrockfromthesun (My Page) on
    Sun, Mar 10, 13 at 20:50

......and then you have the first lady singing their praises, while ignoring their practices.

Here is a link that might be useful: source of course


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That is unfortunate that her food initiative has done that promotion, still there are some thoughtful entities out there.

Here is a link that might be useful: Why Costco is Backing Obama's Minimum Wage Push


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.and then you have the first lady singing their praises, while ignoring their practices

I thought she was one of us.


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"For years, the conventional wisdom said that healthy products simply didn’t sell �" that the demand wasn’t there, that higher profits were found elsewhere, so it just wasn’t worth the investment. Thanks to Walmart and so many other great American businesses,we are proving the conventional wisdom wrong,” said First Lady Michelle Obama. “Every day, with their success, these companies are showing us that what’s good for kids and good for family budgets can also be good for business." Michelle Obama.

She also claims to be a very proud to partner with Walmart.

Will we see her picture on a milk carton soon?

Imagine if Ann Romney did this news story. Holy hell.

Be sure to watch the video.

Here is a link that might be useful: Singing nothing but praises for Walmart


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Posted by brushworks Zone5-Ohio (My Page) on
Mon, Mar 11, 13 at 10:13

"For years, the conventional wisdom said that healthy products simply didn’t sell �" that the demand wasn’t there, that higher profits were found elsewhere, so it just wasn’t worth the investment. Thanks to Walmart and so many other great American businesses,we are proving the conventional wisdom wrong,” said First Lady Michelle Obama. “Every day, with their success, these companies are showing us that what’s good for kids and good for family budgets can also be good for business." Michelle Obama.

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Imagine if Ann Romney did this news story. Holy hell.

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Oh, you are so right, brush.

Thanks for a great chuckle before I head out the door!


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Imagine if Ann Romney did this news story. Holy hell.

Why do you say that? Why couldn't Ann Romney do this?


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Come on Esh, don't play dumb.


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  • Posted by ohiomom 3rdrockfromthesun (My Page) on
    Mon, Mar 11, 13 at 10:29

Esh there would have been an uproar ... but not from the self-proclaimed "Independents" on this forum. What I find strange is that democrats like myself (and others here) will criticize and speak out against policies we do not agree with .. and yet the only criticism by "Independents" is leveled at the democrats and never the republicans.


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  • Posted by jomuir z5 detroit (My Page) on
    Mon, Mar 11, 13 at 10:41

isn't it odd how the conservatives manage to move from the original topic of Walmart to Obama once again. No mention either, that the First Lady is promoting healthier eating habits, nope, just slam her, ignoring the OP.

In my town, there are a Target & a Walmart right next to each other, built the same year. The Walmart is a dump, full of jack-booted thugs chasing black customers around, thieves, one & all, is how they treat them. Floors are dirty, store is dingy. Target? Clean, neat, customers (they call them Guests) treated respectfully.

Target & Costco are known as among the best retail employers, they actually care about their people & the communities they operate in. Walmart doesn't enjoy the same reputation. Hey, the Walton's gotta get mo' money somewhere, and the working poor won't miss what they never see.


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I find the cultural aspect of the WalMart fascinating. And watching the impact of this capitalistic Leviathan on cultural norms should be an object lesson in letting 'the Market decideTM '. That is: when they first started out, their early incursion into a county increased the welfare rolls. This has stabilized into a low-wage, no benefits paid by the corporation (rather, the taxpayers pay), service economy society.

They are pushing hard for energy efficiencies - they are a huge driver of PV installations - but not because they are socially aware, but because they can profit. They also are changing WalMart Nation's food choices - but not because they care about people, but because they think they can profit.

Whether you care for this model or not, it is interesting to watch.


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  • Posted by ohiomom 3rdrockfromthesun (My Page) on
    Mon, Mar 11, 13 at 10:49

Actually jomui this liberal brought the subject up, and we don't have any republicans on this forum ... they will tell one and all they are "Independents" who just happen to vote republican and NEVER criticize the republican party.

I agree about the difference between Target and Walfart ... which is why I was disappointed in the first lady's endorsement of them.

You will never here a criticism of the republican party by a single republican, um I mean Independent, on this forum.

I, and others, however will criticize choices made by our reps, whether sitting in a house that is white or congress.

Reagan's rule, ya know?


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I was/am not playing dumb, brush. Are you saying that Ann Romney can't endorse Walmart?


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Can't abide Walmart. Had occasion to be in one when we were in Florida....hadn't been in one in forever...and hopefully it will be forever again!

Having said that, I will give them credit for anything they do to contribute to the growing obesity problem and I also applaud the First Lady for encouraging these changes.

If they made moves to deal more equitably with their employees, I would laud that too. Not that I'm holding my breath.


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I should have allowed this thread to die. :)

BTW, I heard on the news that this year more people will die from food related diseases and complications than by starvation.


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So is Target considered a socially responsible company, at least as compared to Walmart?

We have a Target opening up in town soon and I'm curious whether it's worth shopping there.


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  • Posted by jomuir z5 detroit (My Page) on
    Mon, Mar 11, 13 at 12:50

Target is considered much more responsible corporate citizen than Walmart by a long shot.

also, ohiomom, I wasn't directing my comments to you, agree about liberals being more open to criticize their own party more than conservatives.

This post was edited by jomuir on Mon, Mar 11, 13 at 12:53


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Target is a bit better if you don't mind paying more for the same item made in China.


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Target started out in Minneapolis as the Dayton Dry Goods Company and later the Dayton Hudson Corporation. Our Governor, Mark Dayton, is the great grandson and heir of the founder. (One of his few claims to fame - not listed as one of the great all time governors.)

Target Corp. is one of the most philanthropic companies in the country - ranked #11 by Fortune Mag. - donates around 5 percent of its pre-tax operating profit; it gives over $3 million a week to cities in which in operates.

Target stores tend to be cleaner, better lit, wider aisles, etc. than Walmart. Don't get me wrong, still lots of crap a la Walmart, but the ambience is different for those requiring more of their big box shopping experience.


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I do know that Target has a policy of contributing a % of sales to local charities.

Maybe Walmart does too......I don't know.

Here in Canada it isn't quite the issue it is in the States because everyone here has healthcare .... say it isn't so!!! That takes a huge benefit off the table for the employer and makes the fact you are full or part time irrelevant.

Not sure what their policy is with regard to minimum wage.


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I will go on the record as a Wal-Mart shopper, for several reasons. I am in a more rural town and some of the parents who pick their kids up from the same school my kids go to work there. If they did not work at Wal-Mart, they would have to drive into Albuquerque to work, using more time and more money spent on fuel. This store is also not nearly as busy as the ones in Albq. I also have my share of favorite cashiers, the old ladies who are pleasant to talk with when they are scanning your groceries or the ones in the garden department who I can ask when a certain product is coming in and they will know or get me an answer.

Not to mention, when I make my purchases at Wal-Mart, my sales tax money is actually going to the town I live in versus Albquerque which will hopefully one day translate into my road being graded sooner rather than later.


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I failed to mention that Wal-Mart has donated many thousands of dollars to the local schools in my community. Any corporation that big is complex and has both its good and bad sides.


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Walmart donates to just about every community where there's a store.

I'm not a Walmart shopper, but I do know they are generous. Besides, our First Lady endorses their efforts.

Recent news:

Mar 4, 2013
The Walmart Foundation Provides More Than 250,000 Americans with Access to School Breakfast and Nutrition Education

Feb 22, 2013
Walmart Donations Totaling $470,000 to Aid Second Harvest Food Bank of Middle Tennessee’s Fight Against Hunger

Feb 7, 2013
Walmart Foundation Gives $157,500 to Nevada Nonprofit Organizations

That's just three small examples.


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I may be wrong but I believe the Walmart Foundation is the Wall families charitable foundation and is not directly related to Walmart the corporation.

It's like the Gates Foundation...nothing at all to do with Microsoft the corporation....granted it is where the money came from but it is a personal foundation funded by the Gates, not the corporation, from their personal fortunes.

Same with the Walmart foundation...but I may be wrong.


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I would have to say that if Walmart is the only employment to be found within your travel area, then yes... your hands are sort of tied. Unless, that is, you care to join the ranks of those receiving public assistance. On the other hand, you might need to apply for public assistance even if you DO find employment through Walmart... they've made quite a catch-22 for their employees.

If a Walmart is the only store within your shopping range, you might be forced to shop there because there aren't any other stores that carry the items you need, or that you can afford to shop at.

The unfortunate thing is, a lot of people are more or less forced to shop where their dollar goes the furthest. With the cost of living so high in comparison to earned wages, many people find themselves in this catch-22, also.

We try exceedingly hard not to feed the greed dragons... and we do really well without the Walmarts of the world.

Personally, I think Sam Walton would roll over in his grave if he could see what his offspring have done to his vision.


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Killing Walmart would be like killing faith based organizations.

Millions will go hungry and unclothed.

Chase,

It appears that Walmart and Walmart Foundation are directly connected and working together to provide assistance for millions of families.


foundation.walmart.com


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We shop at numerous Walmart stores, however NOT due to price, but due to convenience, one-stop-shopping, locations, hours of access, selection, quantities, online ship-to-home/ship-to-store options, RV/Commercial vehicle friendly parking - too much to list.

There are very few stores with a good selection, if any selection of hunting, fishing, ice fishing, camping, boating, automotive, marine, RV supplies, tools, hardware, sporting goods etc.

Many prices are lower, however that's just an added bonus. We often pay substantially more for many products at Walmart due to convenient locations and the convenience of one-stop-shopping.

The other night we were shopping for a relative that wanted over 100 frozen dinners. We went to 3 different grocery stores, however between 3 stores they only had 23 in stock, plus they settled for varieties they really didn't want. Walmart SuperCenter had more than the 100 in the variety they wanted, plus they saved over $100 on that purchase alone.

We also buy a lot from Walmart stores when our commercial suppliers have shortages.


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Concerning employment and pubic assistance, when job seekers don't have the pre-qualifications, college/technical educations, knowledge, skills, experience and performance necessary to find/keep well paying full time jobs, they often receive numerous welfare benefits.

Many receive numerous welfare benefits since they have numerous kids they can't afford and/or live well beyond their means.

Many also can't, or won't work full-time, overtime, mornings, nights, weekends, second/third shifts, out-of-town, on-the-road etc, so they never get ahead.

When one of our nieces was a shift manager at Walmart, she'd often have to ask/contact over a dozen part-timers to find one willing to work more hours, or another shift.

She moved up in a hurry since she was always available and never turned down work, plus she was a top performer.


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Thanks for the info Brush


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chase

what do you think your provincial sales tax money pays for....health care....There are dozens of other hidden taxes that pay for health care.

in Alberta 47% of the provincial budget goes to pay for the line ups in health care......Its not free


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"No more than a week after the CEO of Costco endorsed raising the minimum wage, profits for the one place to buy palates of waffles dramatically shot up. Despite the fact that Republicans have decried a raised in the minimum wage as Marxism and the perennial ”it’s bad for business” soundbite even as the public (including George Bush) favors it, the big-box retailer managed to bring in record-breaking profits. And what do you know, the overwhelming earnings came just six days after CEO Craig Jelinek implored Congress to raise the minimum wage."

Here is a link that might be useful: Socialism, Anyone? Profits Soar For Costco Days After CEO Endorses Minimum Wage Hike


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I always feel like I need a bath when I go in a Walmart.There are a lot of sketchy looking people in there, and the store is dirty and unattractive. Down the road a mile is the Target which I love. It's sparkling clean, great wide aisles, wonderful prices, and nice looking clientele. Their small grocery area has cheaper and fresher looking produce than my grocery store. I hit Target once a week and get a variety of stuff there. Maybe I'd save a penny or two at Walmart, but the experience of walking thru that miserable store is something I rarely do...only when I'm out of sunflower seed.


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Personally, we prefer feeding the smaller local businesses... the mom and pop hardware store in town, the little grocery that stocks fresh items, etc...


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Actually you are wrong OIl robb.......provincial sales taxes does not pay for health care. It's paid through a payroll tax and a personal income tax surcharge based on income.

I'm good with it...best tax dollars I've ever spent.


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The numerous Walmart stores we shop are quite clean, which isn't and easy task during mud season since their foot and cart traffic is unmatched by any other store.

One of our relatives has worked at several different Walmart stores cleaning, sweeping, mopping and buffing floors, cleaning restrooms etc. They had a hard time keeping up due to the foot, cart and restroom traffic.

The only dirty stores we see are some dollar stores, some deep discount stores and some convenience stores and some mom and pop stores which are under-staffed and/or poorly managed.


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Posted by lily316 z5PA (My Page) on
Thu, Mar 14, 13 at 2:07

I always feel like I need a bath when I go in a Walmart.There are a lot of sketchy looking people in there, and the store is dirty and unattractive. Down the road a mile is the Target which I love. It's sparkling clean, great wide aisles, wonderful prices, and nice looking clientele. Their small grocery area has cheaper and fresher looking produce than my grocery store. I hit Target once a week and get a variety of stuff there. Maybe I'd save a penny or two at Walmart, but the experience of walking thru that miserable store is something I rarely do...only when I'm out of sunflower seed.

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Ironic, isn't it?

Castigate people for "judging" the same people you don't want to interact with yourself?

I too, avoid Walmart these days for the very reasons.
Target is my preferred stop.

But when I do find it necessary or more convenient to patronize Walmart, I talk to employees, people in the store, in line and try to have exchanges with people I might not otherwise interact with on a regular basis.

Those exchanges have almost always been pleasant and informative, and sometimes soul enriching--they serve as a reminder of why people are in the positions in life they are and occasionally the "there for the grace of God...." reminder.
I am almost always "thinking" of life, the plight of senior citizens and minorities and the blessings so many of us enjoy when I leave Walmart, and not when I leave Target.

I think if Walmart wanted to follow Costco's business model they would. It's a free country and not one person is forced to walk into a Walmart store.

Does anyone think that the government should be involved in forcing business models, or involved in the decisions of a private enterprise anymore than it already is?


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Regarding Costco, they have an extremely small number of SKUs which can be handled by very few highly productive workers, plus they have higher income customers, many of which are business owners, so they can pay relatively few workers more money.

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Costco Member Demographics

Costco members are predominantly affluent, married, educated professionals. They are local business owners, homeowners, own two vehicles or more, and have higher than average household income and education.

Gender
Male 42.8%
Female 57.2%

Age
25-34 5.9%
35-44 18.6%
45-54 30.1%
55-64 23.7%
65-Older 20.8%
Median age 53.3

Household income
$20,000 - 29,999 2.0%
$30,000 - 39,999 2.7%
$40,000 - 49,999 4.5%
$50,000 - 74,999 14.0%
$75,000 - 99,999 13.7%
$100,000 - 199,999 44.1%
$200,000 or more 11.1%
Median income $107,800

Martial Status
Married 80.3%

Education
Any college 86.7%
Graduated college or more 55.2%

Primary residence
Own residence 94.1%

Business owners
Own a business 50.9%

Investments
Have/own investments 82.6%

Vehicle ownership
Own or lease any vehicles 97.7%

Internet usage
Used the Internet in the last 30 days 96.6%

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As far a personal shopping is concerned, I'd shop at more stores, however many simply don't have the products I want to buy, they're out of stock, have limited quantities, they're poor at restocking or extremely overpriced.

I buy more and more online. It's often a waste of time, money and fuel even trying to find what I want at 6/7/8 stores.

Last year (minus groceries and commercial supplies) I probably did 80% of my shopping online.

When buy many things from Walmart's online store, plus use their ship to store option for many heavy/bulk items.


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I would agree, Lily... the nearest Walmart to us is not a clean, well stocked venue where employees can be easily found to assist customers. And don't make me describe the food, deli or produce sections! Ew!


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Everybody is aware of the internet meme "the people of Walmart"?

Where ya use your phone to get snaps of the more outrageous clientele?

A google will get you all kinds of utubes, but at the link is the original .com

Here is a link that might be useful: link


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Posted by david52 z5CO (My Page) on
Thu, Mar 14, 13 at 10:32

Everybody is aware of the internet meme "the people of Walmart"?

Where ya use your phone to get snaps of the more outrageous clientele?

A google will get you all kinds of utubes, but at the link is the original .com

Here is a link that might be useful: link

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God forbid anyone bring attention to these people for any reason other than the fact that they shop at Walmart, or that they live in the south.

If so, they're looking down their noses at them and disparaging the poor and unfortunate.

If I posted a link to photos of the same people coming out of the welfare office, I'd be excoriated.

But if they shop at Walmart, they're fair game to ridicule.


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If you want some pic ops that would make the People of Walmart pics look rather tame, just head to one of our grocery stores in the poor urban areas early in the food stamp cycle...


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Call me a snob, Demi, but as a regular shopper at Target (every Saturday) if I had a camera with me, there would never have been a instance where there was a person so fat or so disgusting, I'd take a picture. At Walmart you see in the dead of winter these tattooed fat guys in wifebeater shirts with tiny infants out very late on cold nights. Almost child neglect. Plus I'm always worried my car will be keyed, because of the liberal bumper stickers on the Prius.


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I wouldn't know if those people really exist at Walmart since I refuse to go there. I am glad I have a choice. I'd rather shop at Goodwill (and I do!) than go to Walmart. Different class of people.


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The only thing that struck me about those I saw in the Walmart while in Florida was their size...I was shocked. Especially for the children.

It's not a class thing it's a health thing. It is not about disparaging them unless one chooses to read it that way,.

Someone is paying for this crisis in health care and it should be identified as a serious problem and discussed openly.


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Posted by lily316 z5PA (My Page) on
Thu, Mar 14, 13 at 12:19

Call me a snob, Demi, but as a regular shopper at Target (every Saturday) if I had a camera with me, there would never have been a instance where there was a person so fat or so disgusting, I'd take a picture. At Walmart you see in the dead of winter these tattooed fat guys in wifebeater shirts with tiny infants out very late on cold nights. Almost child neglect. Plus I'm always worried my car will be keyed, because of the liberal bumper stickers on the Prius.

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Do you know of instances of a car being keyed because of the bumper stickers on it, or because it was a Prius?

I agree--the difference in the appearance of shoppers in Target VS. Walmart is the same where I live.

Although I have frequently been approached by strangers that are particularly attracted to my vehicle, I've not thought anyone would key it, although I do not put any identifying information on my vehicle about me, where I live, or what I think.

If I did, I would be worried, too.


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In the parking lot of my Walmart, where beat up pick up trucks reign, many think anyone who drives a Prius is a Greenie , tree hugging elitist snob. My car was never keyed there but the bumper stickers were ripped off(fortunately I have a cache of them) and a note was left scribbled misspelled under my windshield about wanting to keep the White House white. Says it all. ..BTW, we're getting our second Prius this week. I'll make a mental note not to park this brand new one anywhere near the Walmart parking lot.


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Decorate your second Prius with bumper stickers that say:

"stop honking, I'm reloading"
"NOBAMA"
"Feminine Protection" (with a pistol)
BUSH/CHENEY

heads will 'asplode.


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Posted by david52 z5CO (My Page) on
Thu, Mar 14, 13 at 13:47

Decorate your second Prius with bumper stickers that say:

"stop honking, I'm reloading"
"NOBAMA"
"Feminine Protection" (with a pistol)
BUSH/CHENEY

heads will 'asplode.

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I don't think many people are interested in what strangers think and put on their bumpers.

Certainly not to the point of heads exploding.

Most people are too busy going about their lives and trying to take care of their families.


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You would think so wouldn't you, Demi, that most people have more to do than worry about bumper stickers. I rarely give them a thought unless they're funny or unique ,none which apply to mine. But once I was scared on a near by busy highway when we heard screaming ,hollering and turned down our radio. Some yahoos in a pickup with a gun rack had their heads out the window hollering profanities at us. I heard the N -lover word and some other choice ones. We slowed down as they passed us. Evidently they had been following us yelling ,but with our radio on we hadn't heard them and wondered where the noise was coming from. With all the crazies, they could have pulled one of their guns.

Lol David. That's a thought.


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Wow--I am surprised there are that kind of people there that will actually harass someone on the road and yell those things because of your car and the bumper stickers.

I have several friends that own Prius vehicles--two are conservative--one a judge that runs as a Republican, the other a conservative, the other liberal.

I don't associate anyone's vehicle with their politics particularly.

Although we have citizenry with different political views here, I don't recall hearing about any incidents of yelling, vandalism, harassment, etc., because of bumper stickers. Pretty much everyone gets along and finds something in common with their neighbor or the person standing in line with them rather than talk about politics. That is considered rude down here--to make other people uncomfortable because they believe differently than you.

I think it's a custom, manners and regional thing.

What I noticed this past presidential election was how very few Obama OR Romney bumper stickers there were.

I think people are sick of all politicians--Democrats, Republicans, or anyone else.


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You all need to visit the Walmart stores in Strongsville, Lewis Center, and Dublin, OH. Quite different shoppers there. The rich folks from those cities shop there.

I can see a PA Walmart being described as Lily says. Most of PA is like that.


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The numerous Walmart stores we shop are quite clean

Hornell, NY - the first and only Wal-Mart that I have ever entered was not quite clean, and it was not the mud season.

If pressed to purchase something while in upstate / southern tier NYS, Wegman's was where we went.


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Since my local Walmart is the only one I have ever set foot in, I have no basis for comparison. But I would say Brushworks remarks are a broad generalization.

Nancy, I shop Wegman's every week. A fabulous store.


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I've been in more Walmart stores than most more often than most both as a customer and professional service provider.

The only dirty Walmart store I've been in was a store in Latham, however I was only at the store once. It wasn't a supercenter, so the store was relatively small and not very busy either.

Regarding junkers, many poor people have been priced/regulated out of vehicle ownership in New York, so you don't see many junkers in local parking lots, even in areas with substantial poor populations.

What's happened is many people are buying new/newer vehicles, not saving, investing or buying homes.

If you drive by local employee parking lots of many relatively low paying employers, you'd think the workers were quite well off judging by the number of newer and expensive vehicles.

Regarding bumper stickers, bumper stickers have always made people a target of potential vandalism, ridicule or harassment.

When I buy used vehicles with bumper stickers I remove them ASAP.


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The point I was trying to make with the picture and the link about Costco is that the wages paid are on average more than twice what the average wage is at Sam's club and likely Wallmart too as their wages qualify most employees for food stamps and other public assistance. All this back and forth about how the place looks and how the people look is just a result of how the people are treated by the owners and the resulting high turnover. The point is that taking care of your employees is a benefit to the business and the customers. Yes you will get better customers at a better business. So here is the full story since none seem to read it unless it is put in front of them.

"No more than a week after the CEO of Costco endorsed raising the minimum wage, profits for the one place to buy palates of waffles dramatically shot up. Despite the fact that Republicans have decried a raised in the minimum wage as Marxism and the perennial ”it’s bad for business” soundbite even as the public (including George Bush) favors it, the big-box retailer managed to bring in record-breaking profits. And what do you know, the overwhelming earnings came just six days after CEO Craig Jelinek implored Congress to raise the minimum wage.

“At Costco, we know that paying employees good wages makes good sense for business,” Jelinik said in a statement last week. “Instead of minimizing wages, we know it’s a lot more profitable in the long term to minimize employee turnover and maximize employee productivity, commitment and loyalty. We support efforts to increase the federal minimum wage.” (Huffington Post)

Indeed. Here’s the thing: When you want to boost the economy as well as decrease the likelihood that a worker will do gnarly things to the food or show up with a shotgun, you keep them afloat and happy by giving them a livable wage. This, in turn, creates incentive and increases productivity. Because those workers in your employ invariably have families and, if they’re lucky, homes of their own, they will go out and buy crap. Now, maybe it’s crap they don’t necessarily need, but it’s crap nonetheless and therefore consumer spending�"the linchpin to job creation.

Unlike Walmart, its Republican-friendly rival, Costco doesn’t pay pays its employees slave wages, which in turn would force them to live on food stamps. Of course, Walmart profits tremendously from the SNAP program, receiving between 25 and 40 percent of all food stamp spending. And since describing Walmart as an evil retail welfare queen is as easy as it’s fun, an average Costco worker made about $45,000 in 2011, according to Fortune. Conversely, an employee at Walmart-owned Sam’s Club worker made an average of about $17,486 per year. What can you say, Republicans must secretly really love food stamps. And unlike its greedy competitors, Costco allows its employees the right to unionize as well as offering health insurance to its full-time and part-time workers. I believe Walmart’s selling of coffins is its employee-based healthcare plan.

In short, Costco’s soaring profits totally debunk the myth that not treating your employees like crap is bad for your shareholders."


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In keeping with this thread coincidentally a friend sent me an email with the people of Walmart part 10. OMG. These are real pictures taken by cell phones always with a Walmart feature in the background. These are almost X rated real pictures of the typical Walmart shopper.


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These are almost X rated real pictures of the typical Walmart shopper.

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Well, what do you mean by "typical?"

From looking at photos of the People of Walmart, I would say it is common in many stores to see people like that, but the "typical shopper?"


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but the "typical shopper?"

Yes. Feel free to - for once - cough up some evidence showing otherwise. Zero people here will hold their breath waiting for some people to actually display evidence.

As for me me me me me me me, I don't care (did I use that right?).


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Those "People of WalMart" photo groupings are the A-typical shopper caught on camera in whatever odd getup they happen to be sporting. Almost everyone carries a cell phone with the capacity to capture images, so it's not a wonder there's a picture online for every odd dresser shopping at WalMart.

If you waited patiently, you could capture the same type of photo spread from any mall or other public venue.


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I misspoke. It's certainly not the "average" Walmart shopper for sure, or they'd be running a porno shop. These certainly are atypical ,and I have never seen anyone remotely as disgusting looking as this bunch. If I knew how to post this I would. I have gotten many of these emails and saw some on FB too. I have no idea what part of the country they were taken but they literally make one GASP!!!


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Perhaps it's more a case of people not feeling that they must dress up, as Walmart is more the casual... run in, run out... type of venue. It's not church, or court, or a fancy dinner engagement.

I, myself, have been known to run to the local grocery store or gas station dressed in sweats and milkhouse boots, my work coat, with my hair a mess, piled up in a bun on top my head. It's not a beauty contest... it's a quick run for cans of gas, or whatever else we happen to need in a hurry.


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I occasionally find Walmart useful but don't go there to size up the clientele. From reading here, I guess the sanitized, perfectly coifed, and made up people do their shopping at TarJay.


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  • Posted by jomuir z5 detroit (My Page) on
    Fri, Mar 15, 13 at 13:15

I agree with what Don says-'The point is that taking care of your employees is a benefit to the business and the customers.'.

So often, the attitude of the front-line employee we encounter mimics the way they are trained & treated by management, as well as management's view of the customers. That's why I prefer Target & Costco over Walmart every time, they respect the people behind them as well as the customer. In my area, Walmart attracts the absolute worst employees-many years ago I went in to look for an item, I went up & down the same aisle looking for it. There was an employee stocking shelves in that aisle, she never once asked me if I needed help, and an imbecile could see I was searching for something. Also the fact that cashiers almost never spoke to me during the transaction-at all, not a word, I used to laugh & say I'm happy if they don't spit on me. Then I stopped shopping there entirely, I go next door to Target & pay the same price or LESS and the experience isn't aggravating & insulting to me as a person. That store-wide attitude isn't just one person, it's an ingrained part of Walmart culture.


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Posted by duluthinbloomz4 zone 4a (My Page) on
Fri, Mar 15, 13 at 13:12

I occasionally find Walmart useful but don't go there to size up the clientele. From reading here, I guess the sanitized, perfectly coifed, and made up people do their shopping at TarJay.

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Not anymore. Used to.

I shopped at Target this morning in yoga pants, Nike top and a purple hoodie wearing gym shoes and sporting sweaty hair after working out. There were probably more women in their 30s, 40s, and 50s in exercise clothes in Target than not!


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Believe me Jodi, you'd win the beauty contest in sweats and boots...lol. I'm talking about people who are almost naked and most weigh about 300 pounds. One woman in a motorized cart was sitting in her underwear with mounds of flab hanging down to her knees!

I'm not saying people in Target are fashion plates. I certainly am not. There is rarely a woman in heels and a fancy dress. I see that more at my Wegman's because women stop and get things on their way home from work. But on a Saturday afternoon, I am just as likely to have on Capris and a teeshirt, but we all look normal. No one would think of taking pictures with their phone of any one I have ever seen in Target.

Also agree about the help in Walmart. With what they pay, no wonder. Target workers are polite and quick to respond when you pick up their phones located all over the store. And now Target carries Nate Berkus and Shabby chic...


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"but the "typical shopper?"
Yes. Feel free to - for once - cough up some evidence showing otherwise. Zero people here will hold their breath waiting for some people to actually display evidence."

Puerto Vallarta, Mexico, January, 2013

Sexy, handsome, well dressed, fit, trim, clean, happy shopper about to enter Walmart. Just because he missed it so much.

Hay


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Oh my gosh! Is that guy wearing a fanny-pack? LOL!!

Actually, I wear one occasionally too...


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The usual well outfitted tourist - bet it's another Hay portrait. Far enough away so the face doesn't have to be blotted out. What were the last ones - lounge lizard and flamenco dance wizard? I forget.


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Lily, I've always said that Spandex is a privilege, not a right! LOL!

There is such a thing as dressing within decency or nudity laws... though I always wonder why some people are so interested in what others do, to the detriment of their own situational awareness!

I suppose if you want attention, dressing in a particular way when you don't have the figure to pull it off will get you what you want... but I wouldn't call negative attention a good thing!

To each his or own, I suppose... the world is filled with all kinds of people.

Quite frankly, I don't care a whit what the next person thinks... I'm not competing for any kind of medal, and I'm not interested in keeping up with anyone.


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Ohio; "What I find strange is that democrats like myself (and others here) will criticize and speak out against policies we do not agree with .. and yet the only criticism by "Independents" is leveled at the democrats and never the republicans."

Here is your big chance to speak out about the First Lady's support of Wally World. Put your money where your mouth is.

Jomuir: "Floors are dirty, store is dingy. Target? Clean, neat, customers (they call them Guests) treated respectfully."

I've been in quite a few Walmarts around the country, and have never seen a dirty, nasty one. I doubt it's the store; it's probably the environment. I find it difficult to believe Target is such a contrast right next door. Doesn't make sense to me. Does that make sense to you?

lily: "I always feel like I need a bath when I go in a Walmart.There are a lot of sketchy looking people in there, and the store is dirty and unattractive. Down the road a mile is the Target which I love. It's sparkling clean, great wide aisles, wonderful prices, and nice looking clientele..."

Oh, dear. Riff-raff. You want to feed their children in school, etc., you just don't want to take a chance on picking up any...what? Bugs?

Don: "we pay $45K/year. provide health insurance..."

According to Snopes, Costco employees start at $11/hour, and aveage $17/hour overall. Health insurance is about 12%. Still not too shabby for unskilled labor...

Jodi: "If you waited patiently, you could capture the same type of photo spread from any mall or other public venue."

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I've been in quite a few Walmarts around the country, and have never seen a dirty, nasty one. I doubt it's the store; it's probably the environment. I find it difficult to believe Target is such a contrast right next door. Doesn't make sense to me. Does that make sense to you?

That is exactly the case here. The Walmart is actually quite disgusting. Filthy and dark. Went in once looking for something specific. Couldn't find it. Left. Never went back and never will. Target on the other side of the shopping center - clean, bright and well organized.


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"Filthy and dark. Went in once looking for something specific. Couldn't find it. Left."

I'm surprised Public health lets that go on. I'm glad you were able to find your way out of that dark and filthy place. Ugh. Awful; just awful.


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There are two Walmarts on the same major road each within five minutes of here in opposite directions. A Target store that was within walking distance closed and moved to a new location about five years ago close to the Walmart to the west of us. Now Walmart has moved in and opened up in the old target store. Result, there are three Walmarts each five minutes apart in a row. I have been in the first two but not in the new one and neither were as nice as the Target in either location. As has been noted the aisles are narrower, atmosphere darker, personnel less helpful and clientele less desirable. It is as much who shops and works there as it is location.

By the way the new one is on the diagonal corner from what used to be a Gemco and eventually after three other large grocery stores became an Albertsons-Saveon super store. The Albertsons closed when they found out the Walmart was going in. This is on a corner of two major streets where there was a Staples, an Office Depot, a Gym, a Mervyns, the Target and Albertsons and a Best Buy. The Best Buy and the gym are all that remains besides the Walmart and the rest of the large stores are empty.

The new Walmart is very busy but of the twenty small businesses that were on the three corners there are only five that are still open and a couple have changed hands. There are two strip malls just up the street that are mostly vacant also.

The new Walmart is very busy and the parking lot is always crowded. I do not really want to go in the place to see what it is like as their obvious purpose is to drive out any competition of any size and have a strangle hold on the area. This is in north Orange county edging Los Angeles county. The cities here run one into another in the common megalopolis/suburban design of the Los Angeles basin and beyond.

The three stores are in three separate cities and there have been dubious members of all three city councils that have been accused of collaborating with developers then moving on up to county and state positions after doing their particular damage to these cities.

The contentiousness between the different groups of people in these cities that have been active on a local political level has been well known to those that pay attention but not quite enough to avoid the more than occasional sellout by those that have ulterior motives and manage to get into office. The results have been mixed but generally on the negative side.

There is a war out there and the players are fighting for your dollars and jobs. They use influence on a local level and have a large arsenal at their disposal. The improprieties in politics is on all levels and the holders of the prize they are fighting for are asleep at the wheel. Wake up and get involved with your local county and state politics or you will end up living in an environment that is created by people you do not know and that do not care what you want.

Edited to change Marshals to Mervyns correcting mistake.

This post was edited by don_socal on Sat, Mar 16, 13 at 10:58


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Many biased locals and/or locals with an axe to grind say "Insert Hated Business Here" is dirty and poorly lit, however they never have photo evidence.

Many of the same haters claim they never do business at XYZ business and/or they've only been there once, so even if they weren't biased, didn't have an agenda, didn't have an axe to grind and were "somewhat" objective, it could have been a random event, short term problem, or things have changed.

Speaking of lighting, if anything, many of the Walmarts we shop are a little too bright. Many use very high intensity outdoor style Metal Halide light fixtures and/or have way more fluorescent lighting than they need.

The only ones that are a little darker than average are the ones that have exposed polished sealed concrete floors vs white tiles in the rest of the stores.


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I prefer stores where the layout makes sense and the items I need are easy to locate by section and aisle signs. I also find it helpful when you can easily locate a store employee to help... for instance, to measure and cut fabric in the craft/sewing section.

I dislike stores that never repair broken carts, have dirty bathrooms, don't have enough registers open, have misplaced items laying all over the store, sticky floors... and my pet peeve, not being able to locate a clerk when I require assistance.

The Sam's Club in our area isn't too bad... but the WalMart is awful. We shop elsewhere.


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The main reason Walmart/Sam's is on my do not use list is that they pay such a low wage and mostly part time that the employees have to supplement their pay from other sources such as food stamps, SS and SSI and since they have poor coverage for insurance Medicare/Medicaid. We are paying for them through taxes and they are living a depressed life due to greed. They also have a business plan of becoming the only choice around as they undersell all the local businesses with poor quality from China where they use sweat shop labor. They are the anti American store if you have enough sense too see it regardless of how much you like them. They have forced others to use the China sweatshops to be able to compete and brought the value of the things we buy and us down in the process while destroying American jobs.


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Aside from the physical aisle layout of the big boxes - which is a directive from their HQs, a store that isn't clean, has product gaps, etc. is largely a problem with their individual managers not being on top of things. Bouncers at the doors admitting only the beautiful people so sensibilities aren't offended just isn't an option.

Our Walmart is not a terrible place. Despite constant snow and slush, floors are mopped and dry; overhead signage is better than adequate; carts are dry without tag ends of vegetable matter stuck in them; have never had trouble finding assistance. The only "bad" Walmart experience was SuperBowl Sunday - the grocery part of the store was stripped of virtually everything. An anomaly.

Stores I will not patronize here - and harboring this goes back to living out East - are Marshalls and TJMaxx. They were always summarily hideous; "cleaned up" at night with shovels, methinks. But I know those stores have their defenders and patrons.

I do have a Sam's Club membership; I'd gladly switch to Costco if this area was large enough to support two such warehouse stores. But, for me, buying in bulk isn't always the best option.


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There is a war out there and the players are fighting for your dollars and jobs. They use influence on a local level and have a large arsenal at their disposal.

I've posted this info before, but here goes again. 10 years ago there was a smaller Walmart in a shopping center at the east end of town, they rented the space from the center owner. Walmart then decided to build a new superstore. To today, they still continue to rent the old, now empty building in the shopping center, refuse to allow anyone to use the vast, empty parking space, the only reason is to limit competition.

With the new super-Walmart, they essentially blackmailed the city into giving concessions on water, sewage, and impact fees - or they'd build it 1/2 mile further east out of the city limits, ergo no sales tax. The city conceded, the rest of the merchants in town, who had had to pay all the fees, were furious.

The property Walmart purchased for their new super store contained two small homes owned by little old ladies sitting along main street, they refused to sell. So Walmart created an island, digging out 20 feet at the property line, lining that with brick, and turned what they needed to do into a parking lot. Both old ladies died during the construction, which went on 24/7. The island and houses remain today, one now a small restaurant.

Thats the muscle they have.

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David there are legions of stories such as yours wherever Walmart decides to put up a store. The local political venue is their first stop and an and all tricks are used to get their foot in the door.


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That's crazy. Our Marshall's and TJ's are like great boutiques and I shop at TJ's every week .Stores are immaculate and jammed. We have huge department stores near by with a fraction of the people in there as does TJ's. I buy most of my clothes there as does my daughter and their housewares/gift department is great. Great class of clientele as well.

Kids go to Costco ,and I have as a visitor. If I bought in bulk I'd start going but it's not that close and I don't buy great quantities. I admire Costcos CEO. More liberals shop there and conservatives at Sam's or so I've read in a statistic report.


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Not particularly crazy since that has been my experience with the Marshalls and TJs in suburban Maryland. My opinion of them is no less valid than yours is regarding Walmart. I'm not going to say bully for you for being a "Maxxinista".


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  • Posted by ohiomom 3rdrockfromthesun (My Page) on
    Sat, Mar 16, 13 at 12:56

Ohio Here is your big chance to speak out about the First Lady's support of Wally World. Put your money where your mouth is.

......ummmm I already did and did it first, perhaps in your haste to post you missed it, understandable when debates becomes "gotcha"

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Jodi I wanted to add, you should see my "boots" that I wear on a regular basis (unless or until it gets too hot), the sole came loose last year on one and I found gorilla glue words wonders. A hat fixes the "hairdo" problem, hope none of y'all are around when I shop :)

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Sorry I missed that, Ohio. Guess it was too subtle for this dunderhead. No haste; just didn't pick up on: "......and then you have the first lady singing their praises, while ignoring their practices." as a chiding. My bad.


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  • Posted by ohiomom 3rdrockfromthesun (My Page) on
    Sat, Mar 16, 13 at 13:33

and also :)Posted by ohiomom 3rdrockfromthesun (My Page) on Mon, Mar 11, 13 at 10:49

I agree about the difference between Target and Walfart ... which is why I was disappointed in the first lady's endorsement of them.

.......don't know what you were expecting Elvis, personal attacks on the first lady? Name calling?? What?

I have spoken out my displeasure with this administration in the past, and will probably continue to do so.


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I really wish we had a Costco within driving distance...


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Although I don't buy much regularly any longer, count me as a TJ Maxx and Marshalls fan.

I buy pretty bottled liquid soaps, hand towels, olive oil, terry headwraps and such at these stores, as well as the occasional serving platter or to replace wine glasses, etc. Most of my workout wear comes from Marshall's--Nike, Champion, Danskin all wear for years and are considerably discounted from department store prices.

Also, TJ Maxx has some nice purses at good discounts.
Years ago I bought a Christian Dior black crepe pantsuit (an unusual find) at TJ Maxx and finally donated it--I think to Dress for Success, not because it was worn or didn't look great, but because I was tired of wearing it for years and years. It was probably the best money I ever spent. You have to shop regularly at these store, but if you are an eagle eye and beat other shoppers you can find great bargains.

I agree, though, that these stores can get messy and be an unpleasant shopping experience--usually on weekends, but then I avoid shopping at all on the weekends and try to run those types of errands on weekday mornings, if possible.

Hands down the best shopping experience in my opinion is Nordstrom. They have a variety of price points and fabulous customer service.


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Ohio: ".......don't know what you were expecting Elvis, personal attacks on the first lady? Name calling?? What?"

You done? Yes? Great--let's move on.

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I've had good and not-so-good experiences at many stores, as have we all.

I love a really good thrift shop (charity store); we're lucky to have 3 locally. I've visited thrift stores elsewhere that were pretty bad, and also some that were quite wonderful.

I really think the location of the store is everything.


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  • Posted by ohiomom 3rdrockfromthesun (My Page) on
    Sat, Mar 16, 13 at 15:33

You done? Yes? Great--let's move on.

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Demi my daughter likes to catch the sales at Macy's, mama likes TJMax.


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Posted by ohiomom 3rdrockfromthesun (My Page) on
Sat, Mar 16, 13 at 15:33

Demi my daughter likes to catch the sales at Macy's, mama likes TJMax.

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I don't have a Macy's, except when I go to Dallas, Houston, or Chicago I sometimes stop in. I never did find clothing I liked at Macy's, but they had good white sales, and used to carry narrow shoes, which I no longer wear.

Nordstrom does carry narrow shoes and their personnel will bring out anything you want, you don't even have to look.

Just tell them what you can and can't wear, and wait and they take care of it. Love, love Nordstrom. Also, free alterations and live piano music while shopping--can't beat it!

I like Tuesday Morning, too.
With deep discounts at these types of stores, Department Store have to step up their game.


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  • Posted by ohiomom 3rdrockfromthesun (My Page) on
    Sat, Mar 16, 13 at 16:13

We have a Tuesday Morning too .... haven't bought anything there, but I do like to "window shop" :)


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We have a Macy's two miles from my house, and I have never bought a thing there. However I AM a Maxxinista, and even on Sat. night the store is tidy and clean except for maybe the rug aisle where people pull them down and don't return them as they found them. Bought grandson an Izod button down for $12 and the tag from the company says $67.There is not the great selection as in department stores but real bargains. I need to stay out of the gift department aisles because I can't resist the cool things. Now gardening stuff has taken over and I've bought stuff( I didn't need) for the past few weeks. I need an intervention. Between TJ's and Target, I'm an addict.


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Lily, I'm betting you also have a gift closet, too, with such finds.
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Target is just opening up here in Canada...not sure what to expect but they are taking over my beloved Zellers so I'm likely to be a harsh critic....

When in Florida I became a Marshall's and Beall's junkie......how many bathing suits and sandals does a girl need? Customs just rolled their eyes!


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I do, Demi. Don't tell...lol

Chase, Marshall's and TJ MAXX are the same company and virtually the same store. We have a Marshall's two miles from the TJ's and you'll find much of the same merchandise.Different layout though. I just wish we had a Homegoods store here also run by the same company.


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I figured you did.

Me, too.

I can't be driving into town every time I need a gift!

Chase, I'll bet you like Target, too.

Bealls--used to be good, I haven't been in one in years now.
Of course what they carry is regional--in Texas there was better merchandise. Probably better in Florida, too.

The Macy's vs. JCP Martha Stewart saga is the next interesting department store situation to watch for me.

As to Walmart--I think they'll always have their patrons, as will Costco and others. It's what makes this country great--that we have a choice and are not forced to enter the doors of a business we don't want to patronize.


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Okay , guess who went to Walmart tonight? As we were eating in a restaurant near Walmart, husband said he needed to run in there and get his gigantic bag of sunflower seed. He wondered why I started laughing. Since we go probably twice a year, I paid close attention to my surroundings. We had to walk it seemed a mile to the garden center to get the seed. I hate the layout of the store. They have many checkout lanes but only two in operation. Lucky we could self scan our one item. I saw no strange looking customers that would make me take a picture with my phone and post on People of Walmart youtube. The one thing I observed, every single person I saw tonight who works there either stocking shelves or just wandering around was obese. There was not a skinny or normal sized Walmart employee I saw in my brief in/out trip. Husband didn't even know about this thread ,but he asked if I ever noticed that most of the cars and trucks in the parking lot are American made which is usually the opposite at places we frequent. .


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The following pics are of one of the local Walmart Supercenters.

The store is most always clean, well stocked and checkout times are relatively short.

When I'm shopping for 1 or a few items I'll often check out in automotive, sporting goods, outdoors or electronics to save time.

The layout of the store is anything but intuitive - even the entrances/exits on two ends of the store are backwards.

I generally park my vehicles back in automotive so they don't get door dinged.

You don't see many junkers these days, however there are a lot of careless drivers/parkers in parking lots these days.


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  • Posted by jomuir z5 detroit (My Page) on
    Mon, Mar 18, 13 at 10:53

posted by elvis
I've been in quite a few Walmarts around the country, and have never seen a dirty, nasty one. I doubt it's the store; it's probably the environment. I find it difficult to believe Target is such a contrast right next door. Doesn't make sense to me. Does that make sense to you?

It doesn't make sense to me. That's why I always notice it: I do go in Walmart about once a year for something I can't find at Target, my Target isn't a Superstore, and the rest of my shopping is done at the veg/meat market, so occasionally I do have to venture in. And every time I'm surprised by how much worse the store looks than the Target right next door.

I will concede that when I go to northern Mich. & we go in the Walmart there it's cleaner & neater & less TSA-style security. But the Walmarts in my county are awful, so maybe it's regional. Either way, it still reflects corporate values, they're tolerating lower standards.


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Has nothing to do with the OP of this thread or the subject that I have attempted to bring it back to a few times. Seems the American public like to be lied to and have their tax dollars support the workers at all the Wallmarts then complain about "entitlements". Keep buying products made by labor that make a dollar a day and making the richest richer. Lipstick on a pig does not make the pig something different.


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Customer service at many local stores varies substantially day to day.

Much depends on management and especially the workers on the shift.

Some workers are knowledgeable, helpful, courteous, fast and can multi-task, while others are slow, rude, clueless and make numerous mistakes even when performing a single task.

When you're a frequent shopper, you get to know which stores are the best, who to ask for help, who the fast cashiers are, which workers and cashiers to avoid etc.

I've been in longer lines, yet checked out faster than customers in shorter lines as the cashiers/baggers are much faster and make few mistakes.

We've poached many of our workers from local businesses as we've observed them in action.


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I find it interesting that many locals blame the failure of XYZ stores on Walmart.

Many downtowns, stores, mom and pops, shopping plazas and strip malls were dead or dying long before Walmart.

Many tenants left shopping plazas as they lacked large anchor tenants to attract customers.

Locally, Walmart stores attract customers to many other businesses in the area.

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In our local Walmart, those aisles would have a pallet of something at the end of each one, making it far more difficult to navigate with a cart.

Another thing that just makes me shake my head with big box stores is the timing of their garden stuff. They're filling up with plants now, in mid March, their stuff coming from Georgia or CA or Fl, while nobody around here plants anything out until May at the earliest.

The best, though, is seeing pallets of agricultural lime - uh, anybody ever look at all the soil tests around here?


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Some of the isles at our Walmart stores are so wide that you could drive a tractor trailer with an oversized load through them.

Seasonal timing in many stores is poor.

By July many stores stop re-stocking many camping, fishing and marine supplies although the demand is strong, hence why we do more and more shopping online.

Many stores are terrible at re-stocking as well. We often see the same vacant spaces for months.


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The sad thing, David, is that many of those plants will die from neglect and/or lack of knowledge way before they're sold/purchased. And quite often, there's no markdown on anything half dead to make it worth your while to take it home and try to salvage it.


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I've bought plants from Walmart three times.

White flies
checked, but still
White flies
and
white flies.

I think I've learned my lesson.


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how many bathing suits and sandals does a girl need?

A girl going on a cruise needs A LOT! :-)

I love Nordstrom's service, and I love their shoes. But, I have a hard time finding clothes there. They have a very nice junior department, but the rest seems stodgy to me. I have on occassion found something there, but not often. The men's department is also good for suits and their service there is just wonderful. Also, the restaurants are good. And, by far the best bathrooms! I always park near Nordstrom for that reason :-)

In my experience, Macy's has the widest swings in merchandise depending on location. There's one 10 minutes from my house that I don't waste my time in. I never understood because it's in a high income area. They are renovating and enlarging that mall, so I'm hoping it will improve. The one 30 minutes away is great.

HomeGoods is my favorite. It is very rare that I leave that store empty handed.


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Last summer I shopped at over a dozen local brick and mortars and half a dozen online stores, yet still couldn't get the equipment and tackle I wanted to equip a couple fishing boats.

I had to settle for alternatives, buy some stuff on Ebay and buy some stuff used.

Whenever I really like a product, I have to buy huge quantities, buy NOS, or buy used as they stop making it, stop selling it, or change the product to make it suck.


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The Walmart in the picture has a much nicer facade than the super size one I went to on Saturday night. And despite local protests, we are getting yet another smaller one about two miles from me. I won't shop there either. The entrance to the one I just went to is so dreary and depressing. Can I say again how I HATE Walmart. I just get a feeling of dread and "get me out of here". I never stop and linger. There are pallets every where , no rhyme or reason to the layout.

Where as going to Target where I also was Saturday is a pleasure. Wide aisles, attractive people, helpful not obese employees, many checkouts open, literate employees. Guy who checked us commented on an obscure author on a book husband was buying telling him to read such and such if he liked this author. Would not happen at Walmart, or at least mine.

As for the cars. Many pickup trucks at Walmart. Mostly foreign cars at Target (and the gym) , and I counted two trucks.


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The Walmart in the pictures is next to large Price Chopper and Hannaford grocery stores, Walgreens, Advance Auto, Good Will, Lowes, Home Depot, Big Lots, Radio Shack and across the road from Aldi's, Save-A-Lot, Rite-Aid, Target, Khol's, Staples, Tractor Supply, a Boat/RV dealer, a fitness center. There are numerous restaurants and smaller specialty stores on both sides of the road as well.

They're currently building a TJ Maxx and other businesses as well. Makes you wonder how many businesses the area can support.

You often see the same people in many of these businesses that you see in Walmart.

Since many of our stores are so close to one another, it makes shopping at 4/5/6 plus different stores very convenient.

It's also pretty common to see the same customers in duplicate stores only minutes away since they're relatively close.

We see many of our customers that live in areas without a Walmart SuperCenter that travel great distances to shop at the SuperCenters for groceries, plus other goods and services.

In one county where they're building a massive Walmart SuperCenter, most of the residents are very happy as the current Walmart store it's replacing doesn't have groceries, auto service, vision center, in-store restaurants, plus it's not open 24 hours.

Demand for Walmart was so high in Queensbury that they built a second SuperCenter.

Speaking of cars vs trucks, it's very regional locally. The further North you go, the more AWD vehicles, SUVs and trucks you'll see.

It's very seasonal as well as many residents and tourists drive different vehicles in the summer.


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All I know is that Wallmarts prices are the only way I can afford to feed my babies and buy the birthday and Christmas gifts, that also goes for my neighbors, My Edward works there during the summers and holidays and is learning a lot of skills and It keeps him off the street and he can buy his gadgets.


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Yesterday I was going to pick up a few dozen items at Hannaford and/or Price Chopper, but ended up walking out of the stores as I could save the people I was shopping for over $40 buying these items at Walmart SuperCenter.

Between Hannaford and Price Chopper they still didn't have enough of these items in stock. Both stores only had 1 register open, while Walmart had 6 lanes open. I was going to by a couple items at Price Chopper, but after waiting in a line that was barely moving I put down the items and left.

These stores are only good places to shop for many items when they have sales, however all the items I purchased at Walmart are roughly the same price all the time.

Many younger residents and residents that haven't lived in the regions very long think that many of the current stores are price gougers, but we tell them they should have seen how bad things were before Walmart, Price Chopper, Hannaford, Aldi's, Save-A-Lot, Dollar General and others came to the area.

Many of the smaller chain stores, mom and pops and convenience stores took price gouging to a new level, especially during tourist season since there was little, or no competition.

When there were much fewer convenience stores, dollar stores and drug stores in the poor urban areas, residents would literally pay 3X for many items.

Now that competition is so brutal, many convenience stores actually have better prices on some grocery items than larger grocery stores.

Speaking of Walmart and jobs, one of our employee's daughters just got hired at Walmart full time starting @ $9.70 per hour. She was working at Price Chopper, but only making $8.10 per hour and only averaging 2 4-hour shifts per week.


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"Wal-Mart's loss was a gain for Kohl's Corp. (KSS), Safeway Inc. (SWY), Target Corp. (TGT) and Walgreen Co. (WAG) -- the chains Hancock hit for the items she couldn't find at Wal-Mart.

"If it's not on the shelf, I can't buy it," she said. "You hate to see a company self-destruct, but there are other places to go."

It's not as though the merchandise isn't there. It's piling up in aisles and in the back of stores because Wal-Mart doesn't have enough bodies to restock the shelves, according to interviews with store workers. In the past five years, the world's largest retailer added 455 U.S. Wal-Mart stores, a 13 percent increase, according to filings and the company's website. In the same period, its total U.S. workforce, which includes Sam's Club employees, dropped by about 20,000, or 1.4 percent. Wal-Mart employs about 1.4 million U.S. workers.

Disorganized Stores

A thinly spread workforce has other consequences: Longer check-out lines, less help with electronics and jewelry and more disorganized stores, according to Hancock, other shoppers and store workers. Last month, Wal-Mart placed last among department and discount stores in the American Customer Satisfaction Index, the sixth year in a row the company had either tied or taken the last spot. The dwindling level of customer service comes as Wal-Mart has touted its in-store experience to lure shoppers and counter rival Amazon.com Inc. "

"White, who has six children, said while long checkout lines irritated him, "the number-one reason we gave up on Wal-Mart was its prolonged, horrible, maddening inability to keep items in stock." "

Here is a link that might be useful: Customers Flee Wal-Mart Empty Shelves for Target, Costco


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"NEW YORK -- The world's biggest retailer, Wal-Mart Stores Inc., says it is likely that it will incur a loss from bribery probes into its operations in Mexico and other countries.

The company has been dealing with allegations that surfaced last April that it failed to notify law enforcement that company officials authorized millions of dollars in payments in Mexico to speed up getting building permits and gain other favors. The Foreign Corrupt Practices Act forbids American companies from bribing foreign officials.

The company has launched its own investigation and is working with government officials in the U.S. and Mexico. In November, the retailer said in a filing with the Securities and Exchange Commission that it was looking into potential U.S. bribery law violations in Brazil, China and India."

Here is a link that might be useful: Walmart Likely To Incur A Loss From Bribery Probes: SEC Filing


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Lily - please....shut up. You are sounding weird and obsessive. I rarely agree with Demi but truly, your snobbery knows no bounds. Substitute black for obese - yah just wouldn't dare. Smugness and complacency are not attractive traits.

Nope, not obese (but we do have a beat-up old pick-up).


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I have a right to compare our crappy Walmart and it's strange clientele to the classy, clean, and bright Target down the road without being called an elitist. I call them as I see them. It's not weird and obsessive to want to shop at clean functional stores with many open check out lines and attractive employees . And all the employees I saw that night at Walmart were obese. Says a lot about the atmosphere of the store. Call me a snob, but check out this thread because many said the same thing of the comparisons. Maybe other Walmarts are different, but I seriously doubt it.


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Yeah, but Lily, obesity seems like the last taboo where we can really mock the poor (or, to use the hateful parlance in the UK, the chavs). You know, way back in the 1930s, rich people were writing to the Times lamenting the working classes poor choices of diet (white bread, sweet tea and lots of jam) but this is a simplistic argument at best. Nutrition is a class issue, touching on all sorts of things such as education, aspirations, accessibility and mostly, the spiralling cost of good fresh food compared to cheap high calorie processed substitutes.
I know you don't mean badly, I have read many of your posts, but being just a weeny bit obsessive about obesity definitely comes across as distinctly elitist....and it is never attractive, picking on those who cannot afford or do not aspire to having a nicely middle class organic diet and lifestyle.


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I'm sorry there is the perception that I am intolerant of obesity. It does sound snobbish, I guess. I know how hard it is for people to give up smoking. I'm sure it's just as difficult to give up unhealthy food if that's what you've eaten all your life. You can exist without cigarettes, you can't live without food. I agree it's NOT easy to have an organic fruit and veggie diet. It's quite expensive and you can buy a lot more prepared food for the same price. I don't know the answer.


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From my observation the obesity I see cannot be attributed to poverty, at least not in the sense of trying to eat cheaply.

The grocery carts of these folk are not filled with inexpensive foods but rather expensive processed foods, chips, sweet cereals, pop, frozen pizzas, ready made lunch "treats" etc.

The issue I think is much more complicated than ones financial status.


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Absolutely, Chase - it is a complex mish-mash but so is access to education, self-esteem, availability of good food, addictive behaviour.........not to mention the self-serving food processing industry. I think it is fair to say that mocking overweight Walmart shoppers and workers is not doing much to help though.


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I agree, Camp. lily sums up her attitude best, herself:

•Posted by lily316 z5PA (My Page) on Thu, Mar 14, 13 at 12:19

"Call me a snob, Demi, but as a regular shopper at Target (every Saturday) if I had a camera with me, there would never have been a instance where there was a person so fat or so disgusting, I'd take a picture. At Walmart you see in the dead of winter these tattooed fat guys in wifebeater shirts with tiny infants out very late on cold nights. Almost child neglect. Plus I'm always worried my car will be keyed, because of the liberal bumper stickers on the Prius."


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As usual Elvis is here to stir up the pot. Ho hum. Must be a regular at Walmart.


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It's not as though the merchandise isn't there. It's piling up in aisles and in the back of stores because Wal-Mart doesn't have enough bodies to restock the shelves, according to interviews with store workers.

Two of our relatives - both BIAs (Backroom Inventory Associates) at Walmart stores definitely don't have inventory piling up in the back of either of their stores.

The transition from suppliers to distribution center, to truck, to backroom to floor/shelf/rack/freezer is quite efficient.

We buy most of our canned, frozen and dry goods from Walmart Supercenters as they have the greatest quantities, the fastest re-stocking and often the best prices.

Early in the food stamp cycle, and during tourist season frozen food products are often wiped out at Price Chopper and Hannaford as they don't have the volume or efficiency in their distribution system.

When we want dozens of a particular product Walmart SuperCenters are often our only choice.

That said there are major differences in "some" inventory at "some" Walmart stores.

This is why we order many products via Walmart's online ship-to-store, or ship to home option.


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Plus I'm always worried my car will be keyed, because of the liberal bumper stickers on the Prius."

The last time I was at Walmart there was a Prius with a sticker on the window - "Nobody Cares About Your Stick Figure Family" with a picture of someone with a chainsaw chasing a stick figure family.

Anyone with a Prius and liberal bumper/window stickers would have low risk of being keyed at any of the Walmart stores where we shop, however you'd risk door and cart dings and scrapes if they parked too close to the stores.


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"Walmart's growing control of our food system has been to intensify the rural and urban poverty that drives unhealthy food choices. "

"Springfield is one of nearly 40 metro areas where Walmart now captures about half or more of consumer spending on groceries, according to Metro Market Studies. Springfield area residents spend just over $1 billion on groceries each year, and one of every two of those dollars flows into a Walmart cash register. "

"As Springfield goes, so goes the rest of the country, if Walmart has its way. Nationally, the retailer's share of the grocery market now stands at 25 percent. That's up from 4 percent just 16 years ago. Walmart's tightening grip on the food system is unprecedented in U.S. history. Even A&P �" often referred to as the Walmart of its day �" accounted for only about 12 percent of grocery sales at its height in the 1940s. Its market share was kept in check in part by the federal government, which won an antitrust case against A&P in 1946. The contrast to today's casual acceptance of Walmart's market power could not be more stark. "

"The real effect of Walmart's takeover of our food system has been to intensify the rural and urban poverty that drives unhealthy food choices. Poverty has a strong negative effect on diet, regardless of whether there is a grocery store in the neighborhood or not, a major 15-year study published in 2011 in the Archives of Internal Medicine found. Access to fresh food cannot change the bottom-line reality that cheap, calorie-dense processed foods and fast food are financially logical choices for far too many American households. And their numbers are growing right alongside Walmart. Like Midas in reverse, Walmart extracts wealth and pushes down incomes in every community it touches, from the rural areas that produce food for its shelves to the neighborhoods that host its stores. "

"Food production workers are being squeezed too. The average slaughterhouse wage has fallen 9 percent since 1999. Forced unpaid labor at food processing plants is on the rise. Last year, a Louisiana seafood plant that supplies Walmart was convicted of forcing employees to work in unsafe conditions for less than minimum wage. Some workers reported peeling and boiling crawfish in shifts that spanned 24 hours. "

Here is a link that might be useful: Walmart's Death Grip on Groceries Is Making Life Worse for Millions of People


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"A study published in 2008 in the Journal of Urban Economics examined about 3,000 Walmart store openings nationally and found that each store caused a net decline of about 150 jobs (as competing retailers downsized and closed) and lowered total wages paid to retail workers. Other research by the economic consulting firm Civic Economics has found that, when locally owned businesses are replaced by big-box stores, dollars that once circulated in the community, supporting other businesses and jobs, instead leak out. These shifts may explain the findings of another study, published in Social Science Quarterly in 2006, which cut straight to the bottom line: neighborhoods where Walmart opens end up with higher poverty rates and more food-stamp usage than places where the retailer does not expand."

Again... "neighborhoods where Walmart opens end up with higher poverty rates and more food-stamp usage than places where the retailer does not expand."

So, big-boxing or super-sizing consumerism can be said to heighten and quicken poverty... not help it in any fashion. What a racket...


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"...neighborhoods where Walmart opens end up with higher poverty rates and more food-stamp usage than places where the retailer does not expand."

Jodi: "So, big-boxing or super-sizing consumerism can be said to heighten and quicken poverty... not help it in any fashion. What a racket.."

Not true in this neck of the woods. Walmart does not fill the niche of the small speciality shops, they are unfazed. Lots of jobs are provided, and although not great benefits, the Walmart jobs do have some fringes, unlike the Ma & Pa operations Walmart may (or may not) replace.

We shopped in the Walmart 25 miles west of us last week and saved a bundle on groceries (we don't buy produce or meat there, except bananas). The store was, as always, spacious, clean, bright, and I didn't notice any offensive-looking fellow consumers there (must be a PA phenom).

Stopped at the Walmart 25 miles south yesterday to buy some fabric in their sewing department, ditto the store conditions. Also, very friendly and helpful personnel.

Different region, different perspecrtive. Around here, Walmart is not evil. I wonder who/what entity is behind the anti-Walmart lobby.


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The ones that read the truth about how they do business and force their underpaid workers to use food stamps, medicare, medicaid and other government help to get by, have any medical insurance or just live a half way decent life. That is besides their practice of forcing their suppliers to go to China for manufacturing and using sweat shop labor. you are paying for much of this through your taxes weather you shop there or not and the money that is spent there goes to their corporate so is not recirculated in the local community. Have you not read any of the links on this thread? Research for yourself and find out what they do, it is not an entity that is against them it is intelligent people that realize they are ruining every place they put a store.


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Ah. Thank you, Don.


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Like I've said numerous times... the glut for profit is literally killing this nation, and the world we all have to share...


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A great place to shop.

"CARTERSVILLE, Ga. -- At least two people were jabbed by syringes found in clothing at a Walmart store in Cartersville, Ga., over the past two weeks, authorities said."

"According to Sgt. Jonathan Rogers of the Bartow County Sheriff's Office, management at the Walmart store said they had found syringes in other items at the store, and are investigating."

"Headrick said that after going to the hospital, she was told she would have to be tested again in six months to ensure she does not have hepatitis or HIV.

"It's a waiting game right now," she said. "I'm scared to death. I don't know what's going to happen. I'm shocked that someone can do this to someone. It's mean. I don't understand why someone would do this."

According to Headrick, Walmart said they won't pay for preventive treatment to prevent HIV. She said she has to take the medicine for the next seven days, and it's $1,300.

If the investigation finds an employee has put it in there, they will pay. If it is found to be the result of the actions of a random person, they won't pay, Headrick said."

Here is a link that might be useful: Syringes found inside clothes at Ga. Walmart store


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Kind of out of date, including the part about trying to make the victims whole as best they can. Just being fair. I own no stock in Walmart.

Wal-Mart Shoppers Pricked by Syringes Hidden Within Clothing
December 1, 2011 by Sky Obercam

snip: "...Sgt. Rogers states that the sheriff’s investigation is in full swing, reviewing store security footage for leads in the case. “We’re trying to identify who may have done that and why they might have done that,” he claims. He reports that neither victim had any “medical issues that we know of,” after the incidents and that the syringes, which were all recovered, appear to have been unused.

Wal-Mart said it was working with law enforcement on the investigation, and taking extra precautions, such as adding staff in the women’s apparel area, Msnbc reports. “We’re committed to getting to the bottom of it,” said Dianna Gee, a Wal-Mart spokesperson. “We do believe it’s an isolated situation involving this particular store.”

As part of their original “commitment,” Wal-Mart had refused to reimburse Patricia Headrick’s $1,300 syringe-related medical bill until a criminal investigation had been completed, but the mega-corp recently changed its tune. A recent AP update reveals that Wal-mart agrees to pay for any valid medical expenses for customers harmed as a result of syringes found in clothing at one of its north Georgia stores.

Syringes have been found inside clothing items on sale at the Wal-Mart in Cartersville four times within a matter of days, including within a pair of Hello Kitty socks and a pair of trousers, which were detected without incident.

In regards to the victims, Patricia Headrick has received treatment for her injury, and plans to repeat all tests in 6 months. Sources report that the traumatized 14-year-old victim was treated at home.

Sgt. Rogers issued the following warning to shoppers:
“You naturally want to be careful putting your hands into places where you can’t see them…Anytime you buy clothing it’s always best to check it and make sure there’s nothing in there to hurt you.”

I've found straight pins and staples in new clothing before.

Here is a link that might be useful: And Now...The Rest of the Story


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"Costco’s most recent quarterly earnings report reveals a fairly healthy eight percent rate of growth in year-on-year sales - including a five percent rise in same store sales. What’s more, with membership fees rising from $459 million in the same quarter last year to $528 million this year, it’s pretty clear that a significant number of customers are moving over to the retailer to do their discount shopping.

Meanwhile, Costco’s primary competitor, Walmart, saw an anemic 1.2 percent rise in sales, while other competitors such as J.C. Penny and Target TGT +0.56% experienced even greater disasters in their sales results.

In an identical economy, how do we explain Costco’s growth vis-à-vis the failures over at Walmart?

Here’s a crazy thought - might it have something to do with the fact that Costco pays nearly all of its employees a decent living (well in excess of the minimum wage) while Wal-Mart continues to pay its workers as if their employees don’t actually need to eat more than once a week, live in an enclosed space and, on occasion, take their kids to see a doctor?

And just in case the occasional Walmart employee finds a way to squeak by, the company has sought to put an end to that by cutting their employment roster by 1.4 percent, even as they increased their store count by thirteen percent.

The result?

Walmart service now pretty much sucks - and customers don’t like it.

Without enough employees to get the basic work of a retail operation done - and with those on site being paid a wage so low that it is difficult to expect much in the way of pride or motivation - Wal-Mart merchandise remains stacked on pallets in the warehouse rather than making it to the floor where customers can find the products they want. At the same time, check-out lines are painfully long and annoying as the overall shopping experience continues to deteriorate.

One is left to wonder about the value of offering products at a lower price if those products are not on the shelves when the customer needs to buy them?

Per Bloomberg Businessweek:

“Wal-Mart Stores WMT -0.22% (WMT) has been cutting staff since the recession - and pallets of merchandise are piling up in its stockrooms as shelves go unfilled. In the past five years the world’s largest retailer added 455 U.S. Walmart stores, a 13 percent increase, according to company filings in late January. In the same period its total U.S. workforce, which includes employees at its Sam’s Club warehouse stores, dropped by about 20,000, or 1.4 percent.” The article continues, “A thinly spread workforce has other consequences: longer checkout lines, less help throughout the store, and disorganization. Last month, Walmart placed last among department and discount stores in the American Customer Satisfaction Index, the sixth year in a row the company has either tied or taken the last spot. The dwindling level of customer service comes as Walmart has touted its in-store experience to lure financially strained shoppers and to counter the threat from online rivals such as Amazon.com

Here is a link that might be useful: link


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