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W has gone from 33% to 47% approval rating since

Posted by tobr24u z6 RI (My Page) on
Mon, Apr 29, 13 at 5:03

leaving office! What can account for this change of heart on the American public's part? Beats me, so I am asking you...


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RE: W has gone from 33% to 47% approval rating since

People have short memories. Unless you're a Kenyan Socialist Muslim. ;)


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With all the poisons and neurotoxins in our food source, it's not surprising...


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  • Posted by vgkg 7-Va Tidewater (My Page) on
    Mon, Apr 29, 13 at 9:19

People are now looking back, breathing a sigh of relief, and approve that Bush is no longer president.


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Maybe they're remembering American life under a president instead of a monarch.

Americans once lived in a country where people could get full time jobs, and pay lower taxes. Their president had earned an MBA, had business experience, and had actually run a business and a state. As president, he never once taunted business owners with words like "you didn't build that."

People owned their own homes, fewer needed food stamps to feed themselves, and the doors of the White House were open so people could visit "their house."

Government mandates had not yet caused people to lose their health insurance, and they weren't stuck with part time jobs or a mandate to buy health insurance. People without insurance still got medical care by going to emergency rooms and they didn't have to pay a fine because they didn't buy insurance.

Laura Bush didn't put American kids on a diet in their public school lunch rooms, nobody forced kids to put food they didn't want on their lunch trays (before they threw it in the garbage) and nobody thought athletes should settle for the same number of calories as kids in the library club.

The Bush family did a lot of vacationing close to home, and there weren't multiple luxury vacations every year for the entire family.

Terrorist attacks were not called "workplace violence" or "man caused disasters" and none of our Ambassadors or staff were sent to dangerous countries and then denied the security they asked for. Nobody went on TV and blamed a 9/11 attack in Libya on a youtube video, nobody called it a "spontaneous attack" unrelated to terrorism, and Bush didn't jet off to a fundraiser after Chris Stevens was murdered...by terrorists. Bush never said we could "absorb" another terror attack, either.

But time marches on, Obama has been elected to a second term, and there's always a chance he can tax America into prosperity. We just need to be patient.


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To slightly mangle Shakespeare - "Nothing so became his life (in office) as the leaving of it."


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"As Ben Ginsberg, a top lawyer on Bush’s presidential campaign, explained in 2006, “just like really with the Voting Rights Act, Republicans have some fundamental philosophical difficulties with the whole notion of Equal Protection.”

Here is a link that might be useful: Regret


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nik - thanks for the morning laughs! LOL


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Posted by nikoleta (My Page) on
Mon, Apr 29, 13 at 9:26

Maybe they're remembering American life under a president instead of a monarch.

Americans once lived in a country where people could get full time jobs, and pay lower taxes. Their president had earned an MBA, had business experience, and had actually run a business and a state. As president, he never once taunted business owners with words like "you didn't build that."

People owned their own homes, fewer needed food stamps to feed themselves, and the doors of the White House were open so people could visit "their house."

Government mandates had not yet caused people to lose their health insurance, and they weren't stuck with part time jobs or a mandate to buy health insurance. People without insurance still got medical care by going to emergency rooms and they didn't have to pay a fine because they didn't buy insurance.

Laura Bush didn't put American kids on a diet in their public school lunch rooms, nobody forced kids to put food they didn't want on their lunch trays (before they threw it in the garbage) and nobody thought athletes should settle for the same number of calories as kids in the library club.

The Bush family did a lot of vacationing close to home, and there weren't multiple luxury vacations every year for the entire family.

Terrorist attacks were not called "workplace violence" or "man caused disasters" and none of our Ambassadors or staff were sent to dangerous countries and then denied the security they asked for. Nobody went on TV and blamed a 9/11 attack in Libya on a youtube video, nobody called it a "spontaneous attack" unrelated to terrorism, and Bush didn't jet off to a fundraiser after Chris Stevens was murdered...by terrorists. Bush never said we could "absorb" another terror attack, either.

But time marches on, Obama has been elected to a second term, and there's always a chance he can tax America into prosperity. We just need to be patient.

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Whoa.

That certainly accounts for it in my view.

Yes, we just need to be patient for our complete ruination.

Hope and Change.


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  • Posted by vgkg 7-Va Tidewater (My Page) on
    Mon, Apr 29, 13 at 9:55

Sounds like Bush wasn't so bad because of what he didn't do, an interesting perspective.


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  • Posted by momj47 7A..was 6B (My Page) on
    Mon, Apr 29, 13 at 10:37

There's no accounting for taste, is there?

his presidency has been ranked among the worst in recent surveys of presidential scholars

I think in 75 or 100 years, he'll lead the pack as the worst President in US history.

Here is a link that might be useful: Link


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Certain posters also have short memories since the litany of what is wrong with current times is largely the BUSH LEGACY--the problems he created or failed to address and so they were left for the next administration to cope with.

Why did Bush create them or fail to deal with them? Because the remedies were too complicated and time-consuming to enact quickly and thereby score a few quick points. Bush wasn't any good on the complicated problems that take time to fix, was he. Just pretended they weren't there--the Repub. response to long-term problems/solutions--and to Bush.

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How is the survey question framed?

for example: "Do you approve of George W Bush?"

I'd answer 'yes' because right now, he's minding his own business, he's gotten out of politics, he's not making an arse of himself like Cheney, he's showed up at fund raisers for charities, and so on, and is doing the role of ex-president in an acceptable manner.

if the question is "Do you approve of the way George W Bush ran the country while president", I'd answer somewhat differently.


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My approval of Bush W has gone up because he has pretty much stayed out of politics and kept a low profile- especially concerning politics.. Recently there was the new Bush museum and it's 9/11 exhibit- and that was mainly Laura Bush being interviewed- Imagine they've re-constructed the oval office and rose garden.

I wish Cheney would take the hint and drop off the face of the earth too

Here is a link that might be useful: W. and Laura on Fox- for the Sentimental


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Esh, I had the same response to both Nik and Demi's posts.

~Ann


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Nik, thanks for the morning laugh. I hope the drugs you and Demi are taking soon get out of your system. They cause hallucinations, doncha know?...lol

My approval rating of Bush went up too, because he's been gone off the radar for four years ,and I have not had to witness his delusional mumblings.Now that he's back on the scene I breath a sigh of relief that he is home painting ugly watercolors of himself in the bathtub and NOT starting another war. .

He WILL be known forever as the dimmest mind ever to occupy the WH.


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To bad he didn't have a republican congress and senate like Clinton had. I'm always reminded here of who writes the checks.

Well said Nik.


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Yep, them were the good old days.


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The Bush family did a lot of vacationing close to home, and there weren't multiple luxury vacations every year for the entire family.

Right. Except....

Those who criticize the cost of Obama’s Christmas vacation don’t want you to know that George W. Bush spent at least $20 million taxpayer dollars just on flights to his ranch in Crawford.

The right wing has been outraged at the four million dollar plus price tag for Obama’s family Christmas vacation, and they constantly hold George W. Bush up as an example of how thrifty a president should be when going on vacation.

The problem is that W. wasn’t thrifty. He was the most expensive vacation president in US history. Not only did Bush spend more days on vacation than any other president, but he used Air Force One more often while on vacation than any other president.

During Bush’s two terms, the cost of operating Air Force One ranged from $56,800 to $68,000 an hour. Bush used Air Force One 77 times to go to his ranch in Crawford, TX. Using the low end cost of $56,800, Media Matters calculated that each trip to Crawford cost taxpayers $259,687 each time, and $20 million total for Bush’s ranch flights.

If cost of the flight was the only expense involved to taxpayers Bush’s vacations would still seem rather economical, but there is more, much more. Unlike the Obama’s $4 million Christmas vacation price tag, which includes the cost of everything from transportation to accommodations for the First Family, the White House staff, and the White House press corps, Bush’s numbers only include the cost of flying the president to Crawford. The cost of transporting and accommodating staff, media, friends and family is not included in Bush’s vacation numbers.

Here is a link that might be useful: Yup, thrifty days indeed


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Government mandates had not yet caused people to lose their health insurance

Oopsie, you forgot to mention that health care premiums more than doubled under Bush. See link: http://ehbs.kff.org/images/abstract/7791.pdf

And from the census report of 2009: "Thursday's annual Census Bureau report on income, poverty and access to health care-the Bureau's principal report card on the well-being of average Americans-closes the books on the economic record of George W. Bush.

It's not a record many Republicans are likely to point to with pride.

On every major measurement, the Census Bureau report shows that the country lost ground during Bush's two terms. While Bush was in office, the median household income declined, poverty increased, childhood poverty increased even more, and the number of Americans without health insurance spiked. "

But hey, its pretty entertaining to watch the Bush mythology develop along the lines of deification of Ronald Reagan. Conservatism: just make it up.

Here is a link that might be useful: link


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"That leaves Bush with the dubious distinction of becoming the only president in recent history to preside over an income decline through two presidential terms, notes Lawrence Mishel, president of the left-leaning Economic Policy Institute. The median household income increased during the two terms of Clinton (by 14 per cent, as we'll see in more detail below), Ronald Reagan (8.1 per cent), and Richard Nixon and Gerald Ford (3.9 per cent). As Mishel notes, although the global recession decidedly deepened the hole-the percentage decline in the median income from 2007 to 2008 is the largest single year fall on record-average families were already worse off in 2007 than they were in 2000, a remarkable result through an entire business expansion. "What is phenomenal about the years under Bush is that through the entire business cycle from 2000 through 2007, even before this recession...working families were worse off at the end of the recovery, in the best of times during that period, than they were in 2000 before he took office," Mishel says.

Bush's record on poverty is equally bleak. When Clinton left office in 2000, the Census counted almost 31.6 million Americans living in poverty. When Bush left office in 2008, the number of poor Americans had jumped to 39.8 million (the largest number in absolute terms since 1960.) Under Bush, the number of people in poverty increased by over 8.2 million, or 26.1 per cent. Over two-thirds of that increase occurred before the economic collapse of 2008.


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  • Posted by bboy USDA 8 Sunset 5 WA (My Page) on
    Mon, Apr 29, 13 at 13:52

If you've bought into a reality framed by your emotions, you aren't interested in what the true facts may actually be.


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Posted by lily316 z5PA (My Page) on
Mon, Apr 29, 13 at 11:45

Nik, thanks for the morning laugh. I hope the drugs you and Demi are taking soon get out of your system. They cause hallucinations, doncha know?...lol

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Lily I gave my opinion.

It's not nice or relevant for you to say I "have drugs" in my "system" because I have an opinion on an opinion forum.


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It was a joke , Demi. Don't take yourself so seriously.


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Conservatives don't need to take drugs to be delusional.

I wonder if any of those Conservatives bothered to read David's posts. I suppose a reality check would be too much of a bother. Kinda like happy sailors dancing on a sinking ship.


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Almost as many people (47 percent) approve of how Bush handled his eight years in office as disapprove (50 percent), according to a new Washington Post-ABC News poll. That’s the highest approval rating for Bush since December 2005. Bush’s approval dipped all the way to 23 percent in Post-ABC polling in October 2008 and was just 33 percent in January 2009 when he left office. (His approval rating was below 40 percent for 26 consecutive months before his term ended, the longest streak of sub-40 presidential ratings since polling began in the 1930s.)
And, what’s fascinating is that it’s not just Bush’s overall job approval numbers but the intensity measures. In the new Post-ABC poll, 34 percent say they “strongly” disapprove of the job he did while in office; that’s the lowest strong disapprove number for Bush since January 2005.
Bush’s biggest gains over the past few years have come among seniors (30 percent approval in 2008, 57 percent approval today), non-college whites (34 percent in 2008, 57 percent now) and moderate/conservative Democrats (10 percent in 2008, 33 percent now).
Who hasn’t changed their views of Bush? African Americans (90 percent disapproval in 2008, 84 percent disapproval now) and Democrats (90 percent disapproval in ’08, 73 percent now).
Here’s a chart ��" courtesy of the good people at Capital Insight ��" detailing the comparison between Bush’s aggregate 2008 numbers and his showing in the new Post-ABC poll across a variety of subgroups6What accounts for Bush’s resurgence? It’s likely due to a well-documented trend when it comes the public and their politicians: No matter how much people dislike someone when he/she is in office, the longer that person is out of office the more difficult it is to sustain that dislike. We have very short collective political memories. (That trait also explains why political second chances ��" Mark Sanford, Anthony Weiner ��" can work in American society.)

That collective forgetting goes double for Bush, who, more than any recent president, has stayed out of the public eye since leaving office. He is rarely quoted on any subject and largely eschews any attempts ��" beyond his memoir ��" to analyze what went right and wrong with his presidency.

Plus, to the extent there is any news about Bush, it tends to be on the personal side. His father’s illness (and recovery) and his daughter’s newborn daughter are the sort of stories that paint a softer portrait of Bush and one that is far easier to like.

There is a certain group of people ��" Democrats, mostly ��" that will never forgive Bush for the war in Iraq and his handling of Hurricane Katrina (among other things). But, for a large swath of the public, Bush’s mistakes in office are in the past and what they have heard about him over the past five-ish years makes them like him more than they did when he was serving as president
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Here is a link that might be useful: the poll and why


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Nikoleta, How many vacation days per year do you think is reasonable for a president? And please define your idea of the miles involved in "close to home".

Nikoleta, Describe, if you will, what you think the responsibilities of a member of a company's board of directors should be, particularly if the board member shows up at work every week.

Nikoleta, Please describe what it means to you to earn an MBA? and please comment about class attendance in your answer.

and, finally, please comment about the kind of parents who would raise daughters who get picked up for multiple drunken occurrences, particularly if fake id is involved.

Demi, Please pipe in as well. How many times have your daughters run into the police while under the influence?


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and, finally, please comment about the kind of parents who would raise daughters who get picked up for multiple drunken occurrences, particularly if fake id is involved.

Demi, Please pipe in as well. How many times have your daughters run into the police while under the influence?

There but for the grace of God go any of us holier than thou's!


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I guess Obama should pick a state closer to DC to claim as his home state. Hawaii is waaaaaay too far for the wingnuts to support. Never mind Bush spent practically half his terms on vacation . Look at the stats..


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Posted by lily316 z5PA (My Page) on
Mon, Apr 29, 13 at 16:38

It was a joke , Demi. Don't take yourself so seriously.

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I wasn't taking myself seriously--I didn't know whether to take YOU seriously or not. I guess you answered my question.

I just don't particularly cotton to references to me taking hallucinogenic drugs which is something I would never do.


Posted by jmc01 (My Page) on
Mon, Apr 29, 13 at 19:09

Nikoleta, How many vacation days per year do you think is reasonable for a president? And please define your idea of the miles involved in "close to home".

Nikoleta, Describe, if you will, what you think the responsibilities of a member of a company's board of directors should be, particularly if the board member shows up at work every week.

Nikoleta, Please describe what it means to you to earn an MBA? and please comment about class attendance in your answer.

and, finally, please comment about the kind of parents who would raise daughters who get picked up for multiple drunken occurrences, particularly if fake id is involved.

Demi, Please pipe in as well. How many times have your daughters run into the police while under the influence?

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Why are you dragging me into this and what do my daughters have to do with anything?

As a matter of fact, neither daughter has "run into the police" while under the influence because they were taught not to drink and drive. They didn't spend their college years drinking and partying because they knew an incident would cause them to lose their cars and perhaps their tuition. Mainly they didn't get drunk and have wrecks and get arrested because they had aspirations and had no interest in that sort of thing.

Neither daughter, both now well into their 20s, has ever had a car accident, and only the older one has ever had a speeding ticket.

So jmc, sorry to disapoint you.

I do live what I preach, and so does my family.


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  • Posted by momj47 7A..was 6B (My Page) on
    Mon, Apr 29, 13 at 20:56


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The Bush family did a lot of vacationing close to home, and there weren't multiple luxury vacations every year for the entire family.

It is really difficult to take serious someone that would make this statement. Or actually believe it. They obviously don't care for facts.

~Ann


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What can account for this change of heart on the American public's part?

I can think of 2 reasons:
1. Americans have very short memories
2. Some are delusional (see nik's post and demi agreeing with the whole thing).

I wonder if any of those Conservatives bothered to read David's posts.

Can't know if they read them or not, But, we certainly know that they ignore facts that do not support their already determined position. In this case, that position is Bush good, Obama bad. So ignore any facts that prove otherwise.


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We've been through this before.

W. wasn’t thrifty. He was the most expensive vacation president in US history. Not only did Bush spend more days on vacation than any other president, but he used Air Force One more often while on vacation than any other president.

During Bush’s two terms, the cost of operating Air Force One ranged from $56,800 to $68,000 an hour. Bush used Air Force One 77 times to go to his ranch in Crawford, TX. Using the low end cost of $56,800, Media Matters calculated that each trip to Crawford cost taxpayers $259,687 each time, and $20 million total for Bush’s ranch flights.

Bush’s numbers only include the cost of flying the president to Crawford. The cost of transporting and accommodating staff, media, friends and family is not included in Bush’s vacation numbers.

Fancy footwork by Bush minions kept most of the expenses for Bush vacations out of the public records, but they FAR exceed anything President Obama has spent, in both time and money.

That same pattern of false information about Obama’s travel costs relative to Bush’s is also rampant on right wing blogs, websites, and Fox News. The cost of Obama’s Christmas vacation is a good example of how right wing media can take a small fact like vacation costs or the number of Americans paying taxes in a single year and build an entire misinformation campaign around it.

But you don't want to know that. Just repost the morning email alert from Faux News, or Rush.


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Maybe presidents should get two weeks a year just like the rest of us. I don't think conservatives are so upset over his taking vacations, it's more the fact that he wants to tell us to tighten our belts, that conservatives are going to starve the children and throw granny off the cliff, and then turns around and spends 7 million dollars of taxpayers money on a vacation to Hawaii. Yet he shuts down the White House tours which costs 1 million a year.


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Posted by jillinnj (My Page) on
Tue, Apr 30, 13 at 9:00

What can account for this change of heart on the American public's part?

I can think of 2 reasons:
1. Americans have very short memories
2. Some are delusional (see nik's post and demi agreeing with the whole thing).

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Jill, I would appreciate it if you would return to your more recent demeanor and not make these types of comments, which are not about the topic. Things have been going much better since you stopped this type of behavior.

To address your post, because I do not share your opinion I am not delusional.

Please refrain from these types of personal comments.

Thank you.


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It's my opinion, which I'm entitled to. The OP asked a question which I directly answered. That's as on topic as it gets.


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  • Posted by momj47 7A..was 6B (My Page) on
    Tue, Apr 30, 13 at 12:48

Maybe they should, but if you are going to criticize President Obama, then you had best criticize former President Bush for his excesses, and for the fact that his policies, and the continuing bull-headed actions of the GOP are the reason children are starving and granny is being thrown off a cliff.


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Posted by jillinnj (My Page) on
Tue, Apr 30, 13 at 12:38

It's my opinion, which I'm entitled to. The OP asked a question which I directly answered. That's as on topic as it gets.

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Making comments that I am delusional because I posted my opinion is certainly not on topic.

I asked you very nicely not to do this.

Your response was not responsive.

Do you wish to pursue this or back off?

Your choice.

This post was edited by demifloyd on Tue, Apr 30, 13 at 13:12


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Oh, come on, demi--launch into your favorite rant. You know you are itching to do it.

If you did not wish to make these posts personal, you would drop the subject. Instead, you put a chip on your shoulder and belligerantly dare other posters to knock it off. That is not the behavior of someone who wants to AVOID a scuffle.

Just my opinion, of course.

Kate


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Your post was not helpful Kate, and illustrative of what you just complained about. Talk about Pot Kettle.

I minded my own business, gave my opinion, and
got these PERSONAL comments directed at me and/or about me, PERSONALLY:

#1 Posted by jmc01 (My Page) on
Mon, Apr 29, 13 at 19:09

"Demi, Please pipe in as well. How many times have your daughters run into the police while under the influence?"

#2 Posted by jillinnj (My Page) on
Tue, Apr 30, 13 at 9:00

What can account for this change of heart on the American public's part?

Posted by jillinnj (My Page) on
Tue, Apr 30, 13 at 9:00

I can think of 2 reasons:
1. Americans have very short memories
2. Some are delusional (see nik's post and demi agreeing with the whole thing).

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How dare you tell me I have a chip on my shoulder for responding to these comments.

I'll tell you too, back off or do you want to pursue these personal remarks?


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I agree with what they wrote about you having a chip on your shoulder. Do you have any thinly veiled threats for me?


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Frank, I frankly don't care what you think.
At least you were careful with your words.

Ann, I'm glad I don't waste time posting tripe like you did with that violin.

It's curious to me how some just can't help themselves making personal and insulting remarks about me, or other posters that they don't agree with.

It is a sure sign that they're devoid of ideas to address the topic or my comments, and a sure sign of intolerance of opinions other than theirs.

It is silly and sandbox behavior.

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Here's an explanation why George Bush is now as popular as Barack Obama:

"Barack Obama was elected president in 2008 because he was not George W. Bush. In fact, he was elected because he was the furthest thing possible from Mr. Bush. On some level he knew this, which is why every time he got in trouble he'd say Bush's name. It's all his fault, you have no idea the mess I inherited. As long as Mr. Bush's memory was hovering like Boo Radley in the shadows, Mr. Obama would be OK.
Related Video

In an excerpt from a longer interview, former Florida Governor Jeb Bush is asked by Peter Robinson of the Hoover Institution whether he plans to run for president in 2016. "Uncommon Knowledge" is produced by the Hoover Institution for WSJ Live.

This week something changed. George W. Bush is back, for the unveiling of his presidential library. His numbers are dramatically up. You know why? Because he's the furthest thing from Barack Obama.

Obama fatigue has opened the way to Bush affection."

--WSJ Peggy Noonan April 26 2013

This post was edited by demifloyd on Tue, Apr 30, 13 at 16:28


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Only the die-hard Repubs and Obama-haters are experiencing "Obama fatigue." But then, they were "fatigued" with Obama from the beginning--so I can't see what has really changed in that regard.

Myself, I still, almost daily, am so thankful that Obama and not Bush or one of those other Repubs. is president of our country. And that has not changed from day 1 of Obama's election either.

Definitely no Obama-fatigued here!

Kate


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Is this the same Peggy Noonan who said Romney would win because "all the vibrations are right"? And they trashed Chris Matthews.

It doesn't matter that I think Noonan is a nincompoop who, in some circles, is considered one of Washington's "very serious people".

I swear, Bush's popularity bounce could be attributed to some of the public's love for his water color paintings of dogs.


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Demi, once again you apparently didn't bother to read the link from the people that actually did the poll which isn't the ultra conservative Hoover Institute, or Noonan, It is posted/linked above. You even get a bonus...they mention Weiner which should make you happy.

Bush’s biggest gains over the past few years have come among seniors (30 percent approval in 2008, 57 percent approval today), non-college whites (34 percent in 2008, 57 percent now) and moderate/conservative Democrats (10 percent in 2008, 33 percent now).

What accounts for Bush’s resurgence? It’s likely due to a well-documented trend when it comes the public and their politicians: No matter how much people dislike someone when he/she is in office, the longer that person is out of office the more difficult it is to sustain that dislike. We have very short collective political memories. (That trait also explains why political second chances ��" Mark Sanford, Anthony Weiner ��" can work in American society.)

That collective forgetting goes double for Bush, who, more than any recent president, has stayed out of the public eye since leaving office. He is rarely quoted on any subject and largely eschews any attempts ��" beyond his memoir ��" to analyze what went right and wrong with his presidency.

Plus, to the extent there is any news about Bush, it tends to be on the personal side. His father’s illness (and recovery) and his daughter’s newborn daughter are the sort of stories that paint a softer portrait of Bush and one that is far easier to like.

This post was edited by epiphyticlvr on Tue, Apr 30, 13 at 18:11


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His father might have been ill and his daughter might have just given birth, but I still don't like Bush and I never will. He should be behind bars.


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And he should be sharing a cell with a few others...


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Lily, the link posted above also addressed people like you.

There is a certain group of people ��" Democrats, mostly ��" that will never forgive Bush for the war in Iraq and his handling of Hurricane Katrina (among other things).

I'm not officially a dem but I certainly subscribe to those sentiments in this regard.

This post was edited by epiphyticlvr on Tue, Apr 30, 13 at 18:32


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"Oh, come on, demi--launch into your favorite rant. You know you are itching to do it.

If you did not wish to make these posts personal, you would drop the subject."

Yeah, Demi!

Don't you know a "joke" when you see it?

When somebody suggests you posted while you were hallucinating and under the influence of drugs, you're supposed to see the "humor" in being attacked!

Stop being a troublemaker and "drop the subject."


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There is a certain group of people -- " Democrats, mostly -- " that will never forgive Bush for the war in Iraq and his handling of Hurricane Katrina (among other things).

I'm not a Democrat, but I'm with the unforgiving group.

And I have more than just President Bush who will not be forgiven for lying to the world and promoting torture.


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Want to put Obama who kills American citizens and innocent babies with drones in the same cell? What hypocrites.


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Want to put Obama who kills American citizens and innocent babies with drones in the same cell? What hypocrites.

Trying to change the subject? Deflect from the op?

Few on HT have expressed approval of Obama's use of drones but that has nothing to do with this thread.

This thread is not about Obama but it is about GWB and his approval ratings after he left office. Obama is still the President so we can discuss his changing approval ratings when the time comes.

Bush is responsible for hundreds of thousands of deaths and maimings including men, women, children and babies; torture; the use of deception to start 2 wars; squandering a surplus of US funds that the current president is still dealing with and others will in the future, and much more... including ramping up the use of drones.

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Posted by nikoleta (My Page) on
Tue, Apr 30, 13 at 18:26

"Oh, come on, demi--launch into your favorite rant. You know you are itching to do it.

If you did not wish to make these posts personal, you would drop the subject."

Yeah, Demi!

Don't you know a "joke" when you see it?

When somebody suggests you posted while you were hallucinating and under the influence of drugs, you're supposed to see the "humor" in being attacked!

Stop being a troublemaker and "drop the subject."

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Precisely.

And it is ridiculous.


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My opinion is anyone that can make the statements nik made about Obama vs Bush is living in a different reality. One may not like Obama. I, in fact, have some issues with him. But to make the claims nik made, one cannot be living in reality. To ignore the facts of Bush's Presidency is not living in reality. To ignore facts on anything is not living in reality. Plain and simple. I didn't ask you to agree with my opinion. I will continue to give my opinion, whether you like it or not. You can do your usual drama dance all you want. Won't stop me from giving my opinion.

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I agree with number 2, that some are delusional. Anyone who thinks Obama is any better...definitely is.


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Posted by jillinnj (My Page) on
Wed, May 1, 13 at 8:31

My opinion is anyone that can make the statement's nik made about Obama vs Bush is living in a different reality. One may not like Obama. I, in fact, have some issues with him. But to make the claims nik made, one cannot be living in reality. To ignore the facts of Bush's Presidency is not living in reality. To ignore facts on anything is not living in reality. Plain and simple. I didn't ask you to agree with my opinion. I will continue to give my opinion, whether you like it or not. You can do your usual drama dance all you want. Won't stop me from giving my opinion.

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No one asked you not to give your opinion.
That's what we 're here for.

See if you can allow me to have my opinion without making personally disparaging and insulting comments about and to ME, Jill.

There is a distinct difference.

Keep the topic to the topic and not smarmy comments about posters.


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Drop it, demi. You just never let go, do you.

Kate


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Posted by dublinbay z6 KS (My Page) on
Wed, May 1, 13 at 12:04

Drop it, demi. You just never let go, do you.

Kate
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Pay attention to this, Kate, and ask yourself WHY.

I AM NOT THE ONE that says these things about other posters.

Repeat:

Posted by nikoleta (My Page) on
Tue, Apr 30, 13 at 18:26

"Oh, come on, demi--launch into your favorite rant. You know you are itching to do it.

If you did not wish to make these posts personal, you would drop the subject."

Yeah, Demi!

Don't you know a "joke" when you see it?

When somebody suggests you posted while you were hallucinating and under the influence of drugs, you're supposed to see the "humor" in being attacked!

Stop being a troublemaker and "drop the subject."

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Since you're so determined to give advice and orders, perhaps you should consider instead to tell other posters to stop making disparaging and insulting comments and insinuations about me and discuss the topic, instead of harassing me for not ignoring the abuse.


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I agree with number 2, that some are delusional. Anyone who thinks Obama is any better...definitely is.

And you are entitled to that opinion.

Unlike demi, I don't take it personally. I don't feel the need to lecture you or go on some rant about how I'm always being picked on.


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Funny how almost every thread turns into someone supposedly bashing Demi.


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Posted by lily316 z5PA (My Page) on
Wed, May 1, 13 at 13:40

Funny how almost every thread turns into someone supposedly bashing Demi.

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There's nothing supposed about this Lily:

" Posted by lily316 z5PA (My Page) on
Mon, Apr 29, 13 at 11:45

Nik, thanks for the morning laugh. I hope the drugs you and Demi are taking soon get out of your system. They cause hallucinations, doncha know?...lol "


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Again , a joke.


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George W. Bush did some pretty good things with fighting AIDS in Africa (now getting the knife with the tea party/sequester crowd) did some pretty good things with the homeless - concentrate on getting them homes - did some pretty good things with protecting some of the marine ecosystems in the Pacific. He tried with NCLB, which now needs revisiting, but it was a huge step in the right direction.


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