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Couldn't everything be a conspiracy?

Posted by pnbrown z6.5 MA (My Page) on
Thu, Apr 25, 13 at 7:52

How do we know that every piece of sensational malfeasance isn't contrived by the "craft", or "black ops", or the FBI, or CIA, or other US or World government agents even more secret?

The anthrax, the ricin, 9/11, the Beirut bombing, the Iran hostages, everything. Why not? When a secret cabal has the power to control all people and events, then why wouldn't they exercise that control? They would, naturally. Otherwise they'd get rather bored, because years go by between such events. There must be countless marvelously contrived operations that we don't know about - or maybe not. Pretty strange, arranging a secret conspiracy event and then keeping it a secret from the general public? Makes a lot more sense, say, if a secret branch of government wanted to eliminate JFK, to shoot him to death in public at high odds of being exposed over slipping some difficult-to-detect poison into his food or something. That is "their" genius, they don't succumb to the easy route - secrecy - but rather "they" enjoy a challenge. We have to admit they are dam good at it because they've never been caught despite their boldness.

I wonder what their next move will be?


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RE: Couldn't everything be a conspiracy?

How do we know we don't only exist as a thought in a God's mind?

Nothing is real.


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HT is certainly of a concern to God but I'm sure if it is to Buddha...


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I don't know if it would go so far as conspiracies, but I don't think there is much doubt that when you have several, separate organizations doing the same activity, the end result is much the same.

So, for example, if you have all kinds of banks loaning money on highly questionable mortgages, bundling them and flogging them off under AAA ratings to unsuspected buyers, it may not be a conspiracy to rip off the country, but thats what happened.


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RE: Couldn't everything be a conspiracy?

Open collusion, that everyone knows about and is largely powerless to stop.

Contrasted to secret conspiracy that doesn't exist.


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Open collusion, that everyone knows about and is largely powerless to stop.

Are you talking about Washington, D.C?


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Here is a secret scenario that is somewhat plausible:

Here is a link that might be useful: intentional radicalizer


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This is a test had you actually been Paranoid you wouldn't have turned on your computer.


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Read you the linky?


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Curiouser & curiouser!


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"Here is a secret scenario that is somewhat plausible:

Here is a link that might be useful: intentional radicalizer"

The movie "The Siege" comes to mind. Don't know why. It's early yet.

Good link.


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If one, or a group, does conspire... wouldn't the reasoning and conclusion be to benefit themselves? Therefore, performing in front of the public, to elicit a specific desired response, then allowing for questions to be raised and considered, would probably be the best option.

Personally, I think a lot of things are done to certain benefit... and why couldn't some things NOT be as they are made to appear?

Have we never heard of confidence teams, grifts? Or magicians?


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Swinging back to collusion, at the link is good old Matt Taibbi letting off some steam about the worlds largest banks colluding to set prices on all kinds of things.....

snip " Word has leaked out that the London-based firm ICAP, the world's largest broker of interest-rate swaps, is being investigated by American authorities for behavior that sounds eerily reminiscent of the Libor mess.

Regulators are looking into whether or not a small group of brokers at ICAP may have worked with up to 15 of the world's largest banks to manipulate ISDAfix, a benchmark number used around the world to calculate the prices of interest-rate swaps.

Interest-rate swaps are a tool used by big cities, major corporations and sovereign governments to manage their debt, and the scale of their use is almost unimaginably massive. It's about a $379 trillion market, meaning that any manipulation would affect a pile of assets about 100 times the size of the United States federal budget.

It should surprise no one that among the players implicated in this scheme to fix the prices of interest-rate swaps are the same megabanks - including Barclays, UBS, Bank of America, JPMorgan Chase and the Royal Bank of Scotland - that serve on the Libor panel that sets global interest rates. In fact, in recent years many of these banks have already paid multimillion-dollar settlements for anti-competitive manipulation of one form or another (in addition to Libor, some were caught up in an anti-competitive scheme, detailed in Rolling Stone last year, to rig municipal-debt service auctions). - snip -

"It's a double conspiracy," says an amazed Michael Greenberger, a former director of the trading and markets division at the Commodity Futures Trading Commission and now a professor at the University of Maryland. "It's the height of criminality."

The bad news didn't stop with swaps and interest rates. In March, it also came out that two regulators - the CFTC here in the U.S. and the Madrid-based International Organization of Securities Commissions - were spurred by the Libor revelations to investigate the possibility of collusive manipulation of gold and silver prices. "Given the clubby manipulation efforts we saw in Libor benchmarks, I assume other benchmarks - many other benchmarks - are legit areas of inquiry," CFTC Commissioner Bart Chilton said.

But the biggest shock came out of a federal courtroom at the end of March - though if you follow these matters closely, it may not have been so shocking at all - when a landmark class-action civil lawsuit against the banks for Libor-related offenses was dismissed. In that case, a federal judge accepted the banker-defendants' incredible argument: If cities and towns and other investors lost money because of Libor manipulation, that was their own fault for ever thinking the banks were competing in the first place.

"A farce," was one antitrust lawyer's response to the eyebrow-raising dismissal.

"Incredible," says Sylvia Sokol, an attorney for Constantine Cannon, a firm that specializes in antitrust cases.

All of these stories collectively pointed to the same thing: These banks, which already possess enormous power just by virtue of their financial holdings - in the United States, the top six banks, many of them the same names you see on the Libor and ISDAfix panels, own assets equivalent to 60 percent of the nation's GDP - are beginning to realize the awesome possibilities for increased profit and political might that would come with colluding instead of competing. Moreover, it's increasingly clear that both the criminal justice system and the civil courts may be impotent to stop them, even when they do get caught working together to game the system."
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Much more at the link. Matt Taibbi isn't everyone's cup of tea, he writes with such anger and rough language that some tend to dismiss what he's saying as an exaggeration. However, far more times than not, it seems to me, he's spot on, proven by the courts and others looking into what he's railing about.

Here is a link that might be useful: link


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Somehow, David, none of it comes as much of a shocker... the general public, globally speaking, has so much to keep it occupied, and its attention jumping all over the place... who would know pockets are being regularly picked and prices manipulated and/or fixed on anything and everything, and on such a grand scale? And why would it come as a big surprise that governments and courts are either part of the grift, or are afraid of going against such power?


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Matt Taibbi.

Fool me once,....

I've learned. There's never been much there besides an overactive dislike for Wall Street combined with a fundamental lack of understanding of Wall Street, all blended together with a very imaginative "logic".

Something like that.

I didn't bother clicking the link.

Speaking of flawed "research", Check out this fraudster.

"Diederik Stapel, a Dutch social psychologist, perpetrated an audacious academic fraud by making up studies that told the world what it wanted to hear about human nature."

Matt Tabbi makes a living telling people what they want to hear.

Hay


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Another Hay-downer


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Ok, if you don't like reading Matt Taibbi, here's the same information about the judges conclusions in the Libor case from another source. Its called The Economist.:

Ms Buchwald’s most important ruling was to dismiss claims that banks conspired to manipulate rates, violating competition law. That may seem surprising. Traders acknowledge submitting false prices; they had financial incentives to do so. But nothing is entirely obvious when it comes to LIBOR because of the odd way it is set.

During the period between August 2007 and May 2010 covered in the litigation, 16 banks participated in a panel under the auspices of the British Bankers’ Association, providing daily estimates of what their own borrowing costs would be, even if they never borrowed. The highest and lowest sets of prices were thrown out; the rest averaged. This was not, Ms Buchwald wrote, a competitive market - the price was not a bid and nothing was bought. It was a co-operative process and thus competition laws did not apply.

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Her exoneration of the defendants rests in large part on the premise that the real problem was not in fake data but in a fake market. Maybe in the next go-round plaintiffs should take a crack at whoever promoted such a market in the first place.

Here is a link that might be useful: link to Libor judge statement


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