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Mitt: 'It's still about the economy and we're not stupid'

Posted by nikoleta (My Page) on
Wed, Apr 25, 12 at 11:44

Yes!!!

Finally, we're headed for a real campaign with real candidates and real choices.

We'll see Mitt Romney and his family out on the campaign trail. Beautiful family, wildly successful business background, and the whole family is proud to be Americans. What's not to like?

Mitt speaks, FTA:

"Four years ago Barack Obama dazzled us in front of Greek columns with sweeping promises of hope and change, he said. But after we came down to earth, after the celebration and parades, what do we have to show for three and a half years of President Obama?

Is it easier to make ends meet? Is it easier to sell your home or buy a new one? Have you saved what you needed for retirement? Are you making more in your job? Do you have a better chance to get a better job? Do you pay less at the pump?"

Those are the things Democrats should have been worrying about when they were busy shoving Obamacare down our throats. Democrats let America down, yet they have yet to take responsibility for anything. The electorate is not primarily a needy population. It's far more competent and intelligent than Democrats imagine. Telling folks "It's Bush's fault!" when the balance of power still favors Democrats 3.5 years out is simply not persuasive to the wider population.

I look for the Romneys to make Americans proud to be Americans again. Between all the scoldings, the scowling, the bowing and the apologies of the past 3.5 years, we've lost our way. Time for new leadership and a fresh start.

Here is a link that might be useful: It's still the economy


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RE: Mitt: 'It's still about the economy and we're not stupid'

Lock step begins...

Republicans fall in line like sheep to the slaughter.

All democrats have to do is site what other republicans have said about Mitt lol


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Its Not The Economy Stupid

...or just use what Romney flips on from week to week.

What happened to the Romney that said Arizona's immagration law should be a model for the country....ooops slideee now says he:

Mitt Romneys presidential campaign reiterated on Thursday that the candidate had never endorsed Arizonas contested immigration law, noting that he meant only that its employee status verification provision should be a model.

Anyhooo, how will Mitt fix the economy? What's the plan, Stan? Please share.

When Romney offers his high-minded account of what the election should be about, note that he does not really present this as a contest of ideas. He doesn’t even hint at a theory as to what sort of economic response would have better insulated the country from the economic shock. More austerity? Different, or bigger, stimulus? We have no idea. This is probably because some of Romney’s closest advisers are advocates of Keynesian economic theory, while the bulk of the Republican Party has lurched toward hoary Austrian economic doctrines insisting that inflation is the true threat and massive short-term pain the solution.

Here is a link that might be useful: Its not the economy, stupid


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RE: Mitt: 'It's still about the economy and we're not stupid'

Interesting, Nik. In general I don't consider it a good idea to allow a jaded politician of ANY stripe to "make" one feel proud of one's country or not. Condolences on allowing yourself to lose that pride, and for a cure I suggest working with your fellow Americans to fix the shameful aspects of our society, rather than waiting for some obscure rhetorical cue from strangers in Washington.


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There are still taxes to be cut, Muslim countries to be bombed - to the barricades!


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and let's not forget that the 1% is not rich enough.

Mitt will certainly fix that!


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I can't take this much longer... someone please, pass the uncoated aspirin! Oh, and please throw in a box of baking soda for the heartburn!


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I think Mitt Romney is a fool. I found this video very entertaining and I'm sure you will also.

Here is a link that might be useful: Romney's awkward bonding tour of America


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RE: Mitt: 'It's still about the economy and we're not stupid'

Oh nik!

We'll see Mitt Romney and his family out on the campaign trail. Beautiful family, wildly successful business background, and the whole family is proud to be Americans. What's not to like?

Taken in by pretty people, pretty words and empty promises? Isn't that exactly what you bashed Obama-supporters for?


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Feel pity for them, they were outraged at being offered Romney in the first place, then got stuck with him, now are forced to support him.

I keep a bowl of popcorn around while reading the Romney themed supportive and defensive posts here! ;)


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RE: Mitt: 'It's still about the economy and we're not stupid'

There is no doubt, there is an economical problem: a small group of people have most of the money and are using this money to buy politicians who will represent their interests.


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Absolutely, ink. And while I agree that it happens on both sides of the aisle, I personally think that the conservative side offers the most long term harm to America and individual freedom and prosperity as we know it.


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My very least favorite reason to vote for any one is that they say that America is perfect and therefore I can be proud to be American. I am American-it is a fact that pride has nothing to do with. That I dont think we are in a state of perfection has nothing to do with it either. I dont need to be proud-pride is one of those Christian sins we are supposed to avoid. I want a government I can trust and I dont believe that Mitt Romney is going to be able to deliver that since I dont see how I can trust a man who changes his positions with his underwear. While Barak Obama doesnt generate the trust I would prefer he at least stays consistent long enough for me to know what he is supposed to be for.


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Taken in by pretty people, pretty words and empty promises? Isn't that exactly what you bashed Obama-supporters for?

Esh, some did, yes. And of course you're falling for it a second time. Shame on you!


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My eyes are WIDE open, brush. I believe I have stated that numerous times. I know my candidate's flaws, believe me.


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I have no shame and will proudly vote for President Obama. He has kept over 100 of his promoises, comprised on many others, some have not been addressed and few were broken. I have no illusions why and the reality of he works within a system that is far from perfect.

Any comment on Mitt? He is breaking promises he made last week and he changed those from the week before...


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What I don't understand is how Americans get so polarized behind their "leaders". I can tell you categorically that Canadians have no particular loyalty or attachment to our "leaders". We tend to focus more on the policies and issues.

Who gives a darn if the Romney family or the Obama family is "lovely" ! What does that have to do with foreign policy, immigration policy, economic policy, social policy????

What is wild to me is how successful they are at turning the American people against each other. It's beyond bizarre.

I predict a disgustingly negative campaign that will divide the American people even more than they already are. Hows that good leadership?


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"I predict a disgustingly negative campaign that will divide the American people even more than they already are."

Bingo! Romney is an empty suit with no real personality.Thus he can't even connect with most of his fellow Republicans. The entire array of Repub. candidates s--ked.

We know Obama is far from perfect. However, for the most part he has sincerely tried to keep his promises and has fought for the little guy on Main Street consistently. And he can connect!


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Chase, you nailed it. Maybe it takes a non-American (you) to see it that way, but I believe that you summed it up tidily. What to do? There's the rub.


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I don't think USians get attached to candidates at all. I think they get attached to their party. That's the only way to explain Romney winning any primaries. He is definitely not a conservative republican by any stretch of the imagination. He's even competing with Obama on issues that you think would be reserved for liberals!


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Yup! We don't have good leadership today and we can't expect it to change in November.

Obama has not fought hard enough for the little guy on Main Street. He has not! The man became friends with the 1% right from the start.

A short list of his dereliction of duty:

Obama is no longer the candidate of hope. His record proves that. Ignore the censored media and investigate the truth.

His agenda in office became saving Wall Street and investment firms.

Millions of Americans lost their homes while he was playing buds with the rich who are his real favorites.

He continues the Bush wars abroad and political repression
at home.

He abandoned his promises to labor. Oh YES he did! Ask them.

He is 100% for austerity.

He has an appalling record on civil liberties.

He has assassinated U.S. Citizens without a trial.

So, if that is what you all wish to continue, then vote for the Obama image and forget about character and integrity. The man has no principles.


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The saying is..."democrats fall in love and republicans fall in line".


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))): Mitt: 'It's still about the economy and we're not stupid'

"I don't think USians get attached to candidates at all. I think they get attached to their party. "

I think that is true but the discussions always seem to centre around the candidates not the policies of the party. It's always about their personality, their families, their dogs, their hair, their teleprompters!!!! And usually in the form of negative comments. It just all seems so shallow.

At least that's how it seems to me.


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Sandtorim sayss

Some Rick (the true conservative many said) quotes:

"They are not going to nominate a moderate Massachusetts governor whos been outspending his opponent 10-1 and cant win the election outright. What chance do we have in a general election if he cant, with an overwhelming money advantage, be able to deliver any kind of knockout blow to other candidates?" NBCs "Today," March 12, 2012.

"Do you really believe this country wants to elect a Wall Street financier as the president of the United States? Do you think thats the kind of experience that we need?" Rockford, Ill., March 19, 2012.

"Conservatives will not trust (Romney), will not rally around him." Conference call with reporters, March 5, 2012.

"Are you going to vote for someone that says one thing one day, anything else the next day thats necessary to win? Or are you going to vote for someone you trust?" Feb. 25, 2012, Troy, Mich.

"Hes got a lot of money, but he doesnt have the convictions, the authenticity nor the record that is necessary to win this election." Jan. 17, 2012, South Carolina.

"Pick any other Republican in the country. (Romney) is the worst Republican in the country to put up against Barack Obama." March 25, 2012, Franksville, Wis.


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brush - I actually agree with some of your points. But, what to do? Do you think Romney would be any better on any of those issues?

Elections often come down to voting for the lesser of 2 evils. I don't think Obama is evil, but I've not been happy with several things he's done, or not done. But, IMO, he's still the best option we have because Romney would be so much worse at everyone of those things plus a whole lot more.


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"In general I don't consider it a good idea to allow a jaded politician of ANY stripe to "make" one feel proud of one's country or not."

I disagree. Bad leaders are nothing to be proud of. Just ask Michelle Obama, who didn't think much of the US until her husband began his political rise.

"For the first time in my adult lifetime, I'm really proud of my country not just because Barack has done well, but because I think people are hungry for change..."

Michelle Obama


"Taken in by pretty people, pretty words and empty promises? Isn't that exactly what you bashed Obama-supporters for?"

News to me. Who said Democrats were "taken in" by "pretty people?"
Republicans were skeptical of Obama's promises. And they were right to be. Link below.

Here is a link that might be useful: promises promises


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see my earlier post:if it was a good talking point three years ago why not use it again? Anything that happened between then and now has no relevance eh Nik?


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laughable


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Your article is a load of bull nik. There were no promises promises made. The republicans have to learn to listen and comprehend.

Here is a link that might be useful: source


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Nik, I know I'm just blowin' in the wind but perhaps you can put your head down on your pillow and think about this.

When Michelle Obama said that perhaps she was talking about the first tine she was very CONSCIOUSLY aware of being proud to be an American.

Don't you have a moment in time when you realized just how incredibly proud you were to be American? Which is not to say that the feeling wasn't always there but a single event made you realize "for the first time" just how incredibly proud you were?

I know that it happened for me when we allowed all those American planes to land in Canada on 9/11, not knowing what was happening , only that the planes would not be allowed to land in America, but we said OK land here.

Thousands of Americans were housed in Canadian homes for several days, actually in some cases weeks, as things settled down and they could find their way home. I realized then just how proud I was to be a Canadian.

My heart swelled with Canadian pride and FOR THE FIRST TIME I was AWARE of how proud I was to be Canadian.

I think that is all the First Lady was trying to say but....there are some who will refuse to try and understand her words. It simply doesn't serve their purpose.

Hatred is an awful thing, it obscures our view and prevents us from coming to respect each other.


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Chase, that's certainly a possibility to entertain, and I'll bet Nik would, presented nicely, which you did. Till that last sentence. Now, was that really necessary?

Actually, I was thinking, "maybe he's right..." and of course there's no way of knowing, but benefit of the doubt is fair. Then you went and spoiled it!

I realize internet slang calls for a different slant on the word "hate" (so I've been told), but it still sounds pretty negative.


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Till that last sentence. Now, was that really necessary?

Then you went and spoiled it!

It's so funny how often elvis uses this tactic. "I was gonna like you ... until you spoiled it." Classic passive aggressive behavior.

elvis, you are becoming predictable.


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RE: Mitt: 'It's still about the economy and we're not stupid'

I am past thinking political party.

I would be for anyone other than Obama.
Obama is coming from a different direction
than any President we have ever had .

His vision is not a vision I am comfortable with and it scares me for my grandchildren and for America.

I just know I am counting on Mitt Romney....
going to back him with every dollar I can..
and I'm going to work tirelessly
to try and get him to the WH.

It might not happen. I have always believed in everything
having a purpose and if Obama is re-elected I will have to trust that it is for a purpose and just be patient .

I have prayed for peace in my thoughts of the
direction I'm afraid he is going to take us.

I hate the unrest I feel brewing for our America.

I'm afraid this election will creat a chasm that will take
generations to mend.


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"Obama is coming from a different direction
than any President we have ever had ."

In what way? I am tired of all of these broad generalizations.


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Well Obama hasn't declared any wars yet and hasn't driven the economy into a ditch so maybe that's what she means when she says coming from a different direction.


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I'm afraid this election will creat a chasm that will take
generations to mend.

Indeed. I agree. For two reasons:

1. Conservatives continue to paint Obama as some socialist-leaning, terrorist-pal that's going to make friends with America's enemies, abort all the babies, pay people not to work and sell our souls out to Satan.

2. Conservatives ideas on how to "fix things" once they get control are to cut taxes so low yet keep military spending as high as possible that we have to cut essential programs (education, infrastructure) to the bone. In addition they want to gut regulations that affect our health and environment thus enriching corporations at our expense, essentially selling our health and environment to them for pennies on the dollar. Add to that their further desire to remove any reproductive rights to women as well as equal working rights that women have fought so hard for. Conservatives want to fundamentally change the rights and privileges of the woman and middle class to the benefit of corporations and those executives that run them. And they will take us to war again - in a new place. I believe it.

That is the direction that you should be praying about. For it will surely bring an American spring one day that could be just as bloody as any Arab spring. Conservatives are the ones that want to sell our soul and our benefits out to the profit machine. Capitalism gone wrong when those few with so much can buy their way through to getting more by affecting our laws.


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RE: Mitt: 'It's still about the economy and we're not stupid'

Obama spent the first year of his presidency with tunnel
vision for what he wanted. Healthcare.
That ended up being a fiasco and still is.

That and bailing out his pets.....the fat cats that
he now has such disdain for .

Obama's vision for America is his vision.
Not the vision of most of America.

Thats why 92% of the people are concerned with the direction of our country.

I also realize that anything said about Obama that is negative causes a he~~ storm .

And the sides shall never agree . So we will just agree to disagree.


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I still don't think you really explained this?

Obama is coming from a different direction
than any President we have ever had .

Most Presidents do have their own vision and try to implement it. How is Obama's "different"?

That he wants to increase the amount of health insurance available to the average American? Is that different? If so, bravo - most Americans believe that health insurance improvements were/are needed. Even conservatives on this forum like some of the changes in the Affordable Care Act and would like to keep them.

That he bailed out his friends, those fat cats? Presidents and politicians have been doing that for years? Not different.

So what exactly is different? I haven't not seen you mention anything that is different.

Is it the increase in favorable foreign views of the US thanks to Obama and Hilary Clinton?

Is it the withdrawal of troops in Iraq?

Is it the capture/death of Osama Bin Laden?

Is it the return to profitability of the US auto industry?

Is it the rebound of the US stock market to pre-recession levels?

Is it the fact that the economy is actually recovering and not getting worse?

Those differences? And believe me, this is in all seriousness. Respectfully I ask you to clarify just want these awful differences are? Because I do believe there are a lot of people out there parroting phrases like "I don't like the direction this country is going under Obama" and then they can't really explain what they mean. Or they are afraid to - afraid to admit what they really think ... that he is some closet terrorist just waiting to deliver us onto evil.


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Thats why 92% of the people are concerned with the direction of our country.

It's not all about what Obama is doing that concerns us, by the way. It's the whole stinking political system that concerns us - how one half of the equation can keep the other half from doing anything, screwing the rest of us in the process. How one tiny portion of elected officials can be so stubborn that the credit agency reduces the US's credit rating.

You can't quote figures like that and say it's all about Obama. Cause it's certainly not.


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The republicans in a bubble. They suck at government so bad then say how bad government is...its their playbook.

Besides the conrast between Obama and Romeny, I would like to know...how much different is Romeny from Georg Bush??? Considering all the republicans on here have distanced themsevles from W...

Still waiting for someone to explain Romney's plan...


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So we need massive increases in offense spending..... well that's just stupid! DAZZLES THE NEOCONS
So we need someone whose immigration advisor is Kris Kobach now you must know I want a secure border I have said it numerous times and am not an amnesty supporter. That said this guys not about secure borders than he he is about preserving a white US.

He has worked for an anti immigration law firm founded by white nationalist John Tanton and wrote in the last century (I put it that way because your values would have to be from there to write

" Kobach defended the Apartheid policy in South Africa in a 1990 book. He stated, "Clearly, reform has become the clarion call of so many businesses because it is seen as a means of achieving stability. Yet, strict Verwoerdian apartheid enforced with an iron fist can also be seen as a route to a more stable South Africa. "

he claims not to know anything about the views of John Tanton

Fair is Fair unless it the immigration group.

The Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR) is a non-profit tax exempt organization in the United States that advocates changes in U.S. immigration policy that would result in significant reductions in immigration, both legal and illegal. It was founded on January 2, 1979 by John Tanton who is known as the founder of many anti-immigration and environmentalist groups.

Tanton wrote.
"To govern is to populate. Will the present majority peaceably hand over its political power to a group that is simply more fertile? As whites see their power and control over their lives declining, will they simply go quietly into the night or will there be an explosion?"

I read something like that on this forum by one of the posters some time back who claimed it wasn't really a racist idea & just gave up the argument err discussion.

Fair received a good amount of funding from The Pioneer Fund describes itself as based "in the Darwinian-Galtonian evolutionary tradition and eugenics movement." For the last 70 years, the Pioneer Fund has funded controversial research about race and intelligence, essentially aimed at proving the racial superiority of white people. The group's original mandate was to promote the genes of those "deemed to be descended predominantly from white persons who settled in the original 13 states prior to the adoption of the Constitution."

Yes we are playing connect the dots here or connect the links if you perceive them as slams rather than information then I might suggest you are also a racist or white..ish nativists.

Kobach serves as a legal counsel for FAIR's
legal arm Immigration Reform Law Institute (IRLI). In 2004 Kobach accepted $10,000 from FAIR to support his
campaign for Congress. He lost because there was too much press connecting him to white supremacists.

THIS IS REALLY GOING TO BE A REAL CAAMPAIGN for sure!

The candidate the conservatives did so much to throw under a bus they will now cover in laurels!


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I would like to know...how much different is Romeny from Georg[e] Bush?

When it comes to the economy, its the same thing - lower taxes, less regulation, a free market solves all problems.

"But Romney, unlike Clinton, is not offering a program through which government would take specific steps to solve the problems he catalogues. Instead, he is calling on voters to share his faith that our difficulties would go away if the state simply got out of the way, allowed the market do its thing and counted on the success of the successful to lift up everyone else.

Romney is right in saying he has "a very different vision" from Obama's, and this is where the magic comes in. He envisions "an America driven by freedom, where free people, pursuing happiness in their own unique ways, create free enterprises that employ more and more Americans. And because there are so many enterprises that are succeeding, the competition for hardworking, educated, skilled employees is intense, so wages and salaries rise."

Just like that, all would be well - as if we never needed the trust-busting of the Progressive Era, the social legislation of the New Deal, the health programs of the Great Society and the coordinated action of the world's governments in 2008 and 2009 to keep the Great Recession from becoming something far worse."

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Here is a link that might be useful: link


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I'm afraid this election will creat a chasm that will take generations to mend.

Your boy W did that already. This country was never so divided until that man started 2 unnecessary wars, wasted billions of dollars and drove the economy into the s**t-hole. At least Obama is trying to fix it. We don't need to go back to that kind of mentality with Romney. All you have to do is look at Europe right now to know those policies do not work.


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"When Michelle Obama said that perhaps she was talking about the first tine she was very CONSCIOUSLY aware of being proud to be an American."

I'm not going to try to psychoanalyze Michelle Obama, but you go ahead. As a lawyer, she is well practiced in saying exactly what she means. I take her at her word.

"Most Presidents do have their own vision and try to implement it. How is Obama's "different"?"

Obamacare was the president's "vision." Not the electorate's. And it wasn't "implemented," it was imposed.


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RE: Mitt: 'It's still about the economy and we're not stupid'

I don't hesitate in saying why Obama is coming from a different direction from any other President.

All of your "selling" points for Obama can just as
readily but taken point by point and dissected and has
been many times on this forum.

Each of you have read the counter points many times and
I just don't want to keep going over and over the same
pro's and con's of his decisions.

I still have issues with Obamas rise and over-night adoration...his relationship with his "mentor" of 20 yrs. Rev Wright....his radical "I hardly know them" friends.

I have not been able to find an acceptance of all the negatives surrounding his path and passage to who he is.

I wish I could . Its a terrible thing to be holding ones breath waiting for the next phase of Obama.

I am not alone in my concerns and doubts regarding Obama.
Sometimes I wish I was...then I could deal with my misgivings as misguided but too many others evidently still have issues with who Obama really is.

I'm not speaking of the silly things like Muslum faith
or his race or anything so narrow.

I don't have a clue who he REALLY is.

He has never been transparent.
When I see him and I watch him ..its like he is empty
and he says what he is "suppose"to say.
What does he really want for America?
What will he do to attain his goal?
How long has he had his vision?

His vision "for us" has to be for the majority.
His vision has not been for the majority and thats why our
country is in such an emotional turmoil.


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Yes, "imposed" in a democratic process With "Romneycare" as it's model.


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how to say nothing in 50 words or less

I don't have a clue who he REALLY is.

Not our fault you choose to live in a bubble. Your posts says absolutely nothing specific...oh Rev. Wright. lol this would be funny if it wasn't so effed up.


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RE: Clue

I don't have a clue who he REALLY is. (that really would have been enough the rest is a travelogue of of of just what is that? Your not alone with it I know.)
So it's not about the economy but about just what is that?


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RE: Mitt: 'It's still about the economy and we're not stupid'

CW, what is it you think that the President wants for America? What do you think his goals are?

I have a sense that there are some Americans who are afraid of something but I don't know what it specifically is, I really don't.


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RE: Mitt: 'It's still about the economy and we're not stupid'

  • Posted by kwoods Cold z7 Long Is (My Page) on
    Thu, Apr 26, 12 at 9:49

"When I see him and I watch him ..its like he is empty
and he says what he is "suppose"to say.
What does he really want for America?
What will he do to attain his goal?
How long has he had his vision?"

You are confused, that's the other guy.


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CW: I, for one, share your concerns about Obama's true identity. This will be dismissed by the Left as "paranoid conspiracy theories".

Leave out the "paranoid" part and they will be right on the money, LOL! Fine by me. :-) But that's fodder for another thread. Which if you do bring it up, you will be told that they already did that, and you are very dumb because you didn't participate in that discussion, and on and on.


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RE: Mitt: 'It's still about the economy and we're not stupid'

I don't hesitate in saying why Obama is coming from a different direction from any other President.

And yet you really don't provide any specifics.

I still have issues with Obamas rise and over-night adoration - that is so 2008. Obama supporters are over that, you can be too.

I have not been able to find an acceptance of all the negatives surrounding his path and passage to who he is. - most Obama supporters say over and over that they don't like every he has done, don't agree with everything about him. "his path and passage to who he is" - what does that even mean? We all have a path and passage to where we are now. We all have baggage, bad decisions, things done in youth and ignorance.

Sometimes I wish I was...then I could deal with my misgivings as misguided but too many others evidently still have issues with who Obama really is. - again, nothing specific here, just soft alarm statements like Its a terrible thing to be holding ones breath waiting for the next phase of Obama. and I don't have a clue who he REALLY is. Scary.

And can you answer this about Romney? Because you should logically have the same concerns about any candidate:

What does he really want for America?
What will he do to attain his goal?
How long has he had his vision?

And again here, nothing specific, just more alarm statements that say nothing whatsoever and don't even represent everyone:

His vision "for us" has to be for the majority.
His vision has not been for the majority and thats why our
country is in such an emotional turmoil.
- how can you say that his vision has not been for the majority when you can't even articulate what his vision is? Your points are so emotional, not factual.

Those are not my Obama "selling" points. Those are facts. Discount them if you want. But until you can be more specific about what exact VISION scares you about Obama, then you are not continuing the conversation. Give me two specific vision examples that scare you. Just two.


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CW: I, for one, share your concerns about Obama's true identity. This will be dismissed by the Left as "paranoid conspiracy theories".

Nope, not paranoid conspiracy theories. Just apparently an unwillingness to pay attention and actually learn something. The man's been in office for over 3 years and you still say you don't know him? You just aren't paying attention - he's gotten more attention than anyone these past 4 years - you just have to read.

Why don't you participate in this discussion, elvis? Quit hiding behind statements that don't say anything relevant.


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Among the fringe, paranoid Right, the meme these days is that the REAL Obama will surface during the second term. Thats when we'll see him take all our guns, impose Sharia Law, give the National Forest over to the Chinese, nationalize the oil companies, and so on.


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elvis...
If your like me...you have a healthy self-esteem which
enables you to withstand constant negative messages.

This post for once has not had the usual negative name calling and message.
I thank you for that esh, chase and the rest.

The points in this post have all been covered numerous
times. We each interpret the same thing seen and said from our own perspective.

Funny how we can look at one person's deed as an accompolishment and another see it as a detriment.


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The inter dialogue of mutual support of contentious psychological terms & self assessment is interesting.
Particularly after a journey through a posters own inner dialogue externalized onto a forum. Any question would be an attack I see how that works (whats the name for that)


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cw - I try very hard not to personally attack someone. I am honestly trying to understand your view - because I see these vague statements offered up over and over again by ordinary conservatives. Yet when pressed to describe exactly what "vision" they fear or what "direction" they tremble about ... they do not provide specifics.

The best they can do is say things like "The points in this post have all been covered numerous times" and "Each of you have read the counter points many times and I just don't want to keep going over and over the same pro's and con's of his decisions. "

Yet I am more than willing to say over and over my specific fears for the Republican direction for this country.

I'm beginning to suspect that the fear that drives you is one that you cannot articulate or are unwilling to reveal.


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I might also suggest that a strong sense of self image & self concept might help more than self esteem to repel an suggestions of bother to the over all concept of self.
I have healthy self esteem which comes from doing esteemable things but the overall self concept doesn't always match up which is why there is an ever continuing need for self assessment.
Re read your missive and please tell us what specifics are there other than what I have indicated your inner dialogue & evaluations externalized in print. Any and all interpretation would be wounding so it becomes as self fulfilling as other postings as it operates from a position of defense from the start. This is all all digression from the original topic.


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labrea..you have been in the house too long.

Go outside and take a deep breath.
Look up. Isn't that blue sky beautiful?

Smile....keep things simple.
It need not be so complicated.


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kwoods - you beat me to it!!!! I was going to post the exact same thing. We have absolutely no idea what Romney will do. Or even what he believes since that changes daily.

elvis only "pays attention" when it's convienent and the facts agree with the agenda. Bush/Cheney lies about why we invaded Iraq? Nope, don't know enough about that. Still reading up. How Obama voted while a senator? Oh yeah, got all my figures lined up for that one. Very strange.


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So much for self assessment, Joe. Just go outside and look at the sky! Well, here in the NY metro area, the sky is very gray. No blue to be seen.


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RE: Visions

Anyone really interested in what Romney will do
for America can go to www.mittromney.com and there
will be a list of every issue and his vision for
that issue.

You can read his plan faster than I can type it in.

Several of you talk about Republicans living in a bubble.
I don't think so.
I think we all want a better America.
We are just looking at two completely different people
to help us attain that goal.

On Obamas vision. I think Obama's vision is to dismantle
America..starting with more govnt control in every aspect
of our life.

His vision is an America where everyone is the same.
Now that sounds nice but I don't want to be the "same".

I don't want my grandchildren to be the "same".
I want them to march on their merit.
If they want to volunteer in Peru...so be it but if they want to work and be multi-millionaires I want them to do that too without being stoned for it..

There was a time in this country when we didn't attack
people based on their success.
We clapped and waved the banner.


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cw, if you are willing to read Romney's website and take his vision from there, why aren't you also willing to do that with Obama's website: http://www.barackobama.com/

Both of them are campaign oriented websites and I would put a similar amount of faith in each.

Obama's website says nothing about dismantling America as his vision. Doesn't have a vision of putting "more" government control out there. I believe he is more about maintaining some of the good control that we have already - for the environment, worker's benefits, consumer rights and healthcare that is fair and available to all.

I disagree that his (or any liberal's) vision is an America where everyone is the "same". People are allowed to work 80 hours a week if they want - two or 3 jobs - to create a higher level of success for themselves. Bravo! Those people march on their merit. Succeed where they can, fail where they should.

Liberals do not envy success, they do not envy wealth that is fairly earned. What we protest against - and you should too - is when people use their wealth and influence to unfairly influence legislators in their favor. Why should oil companies be able to influence environmental regulations that allow them to take more risks with resources - when the people that live on this Earth, the ones that live with the consequences, cannot afford to do so? Why should wealthy men and women that make money from day-trading and driving up the prices of gas due to speculation be able to influence legislators to only tax them 15% on their income when people like you and me pay 28% on our earned income?

Be successful and be wealthy. And be responsible in the process. Don't use your wealth to gain advantages that people with wealth have no access to when it comes to laws.

There was a time in this country when we earned our wealth and we recognized that we earned it thanks to the work and expense of many people and infrastructure dollars. And those people shared their wealth through taxes and fair contributions as a way of paying back that groundwork.

How Americans feel has changed - but over time the rules have been changed. And it is not to your grandchildren's advantage.


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"There was a time in this country when we didn't attack people based on their success...."

"I think Obama's vision is to dismantle America...."

"His vision is an America where everyone is the same...."

I ask myself what kind of mindset would believe this sort of mythology? I really am speechless....


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How Americans feel has changed - but over time the rules have been changed.

Sorry I meant that to say How Americans feel HASN'T changed.


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Well, I believe it too, and I know a lot of other people feel the same way, and you know it too.

Speechless? That'll be the day...LOL

As far as studying Obama's website--of course I have. I'm willing to bet most folks who are not pro-Obama have. A person really has to educate himself to know what they don't want same as they do to know what they do want (duh).


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Well said, esh.

The gap between the 1% and the rest of us keeps widening for the reasons esh stated -- they are able to buy the legislation that benefits them.

Like I've said before, I understand why if you are in the 1% you want that to continue. But, if you're not, and I would guess that all of us here, including CW, are not, why you think it's ok is beyond me.

They are not getting wealthier while the rest get poorer because they work harder or are more responsible. They are getting wealthier by paying their employees less, taking benefits away, moving jobs off shore, getting rid of regulations that protect us and the environment but save them money in the short term, etc etc etc.

That's not ok with me.

Obama is not perfect, but he doesn't "stone people for becoming multi millionaires". Such a strange thing to say.


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RE: Can you Spell Hypocrite?

Jill, he seems to be okay with celebrity millionaires if they throw him fundraisers or endorse him in any way or invite him onto their talk shows, etc.

(Pssst....can you spell hypocrite?)


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Well, I believe it too, and I know a lot of other people feel the same way, and you know it too.

You believe what? What is "it"?

And Obama is himself a millionaire. Obama has nothing against millionaires in general. You seem to missing the point.


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"Yes, "imposed" in a democratic process."

The only "democratic process" that took place was in 2010, when an enraged electorate weighed in on that "imposed democratic process." Democrats got their "Democrat imposed" butts kicked all over the country. The cool thing is that there's a whole lot MORE where that came from...LOL!


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The battle for control of Congress this fall will be more closely fought than many Republicans had predicted in the heady days following their 2010 midterm landslide victories, according to those most closely involved in the campaign.

House Speaker John Boehner's comments this week that the GOP has a "one-in-three" chance of losing the House sent shockwaves through the political establishment. "We've got a fight on our hands and our hands need to be prepared," Boehner told reporters on Capitol Hill on Wednesday, doubling down on his warning.

While the Ohio Republican's admonition was mostly meant to guard against complacency among donors and lawmakers, it reflects a more grim assessment of the GOP's chances in the House and Senate.

Gone is the optimism from Texas Rep. Pete Sessions, the Republican in charge of his party's campaign efforts in the House, from early 2011, when he predicted an expanded majority in November's elections.

We'll see, Nik. I don't think you'll get the butt kicking you're hoping for.

Here is a link that might be useful: source


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No It's gray & cloudy & I'm at work dead as a door nail till 4 at least. Mittens will have to contend With his 1994 involved self. when he believed all folks should be able to participate in the boy scouts regardless of their sexual orientation." those were his words when he was a severe conservative. They will help focus a current battle on the Kultcha warrior as 155,000 have already signed a petition to reinstate Jennifer tyrell a den mother who was booted for being gay.


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Democrats got their "Democrat imposed" butts kicked all over the country.

Not in California.

The GOP was shut out of every state-wide office, from Governor to Insurance Commissioner, and Barbara Boxer was re-elected by a substantial margin. I'm not surprised that you don't remember eMeg and iCarly having their "butts" soundly rejected, especially after the hallelujah chorus in HT cheering these conservative female candidates and declaring certain victory. And NV TPer Sharron Angle lost her senate bid after one too many insults aimed at the Latino community.


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Not quite a man for all seasons but most certainly a face & sound byte for all occasions unfortunately he almost alway denies the sound byte as soon as it's challenged. Even if you played it back to him he would merely smile & yammer about something else. Arizonas immigration laws he said during the debate that Arizona could serve as a model for the rest of the nation ( he was at the time tring to appear more to the right of the other candidates) this week it was claimed he only meant the e verify part of Arizonas laws. Last wel his team tried to distance him from kris kobach co author of Arizonas laws . Till now he was listed as an informal advisor. Kobach head of Kansas GOP was a Romney advisor back as far as 2008
Kobach seemed at odds with Romney's team discription as "supporter" while he himself says advisor. Such a small point but these small points abound in the Romney circular phone game


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The only "democratic process" that took place was in 2010. when an enraged electorate weighed in on that "imposed democratic process." Democrats got their "Democrat imposed" butts kicked all over the country.

RINOS got their butts kicked with 80 some odd tea partiers blowinng into Washington and holding their party hostage. Ask Boehner.

But this says it all, Nik. You never respond to any questions or delve into an issue...it is about WINNING. Scorthced earth and party before country at all costs.


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A lot of people talk about the "1%". I've read several different explanations of what the 1% is, and origins of the phrase. Some say it's the 2.4 million who had fixed assets in excess of 1.5 million, according to the IRS in 2004. Some say it's people with annual income in excess of $400,000. Others say that's not a good way to gauge 1%ness, because the income could be short-lived (say, a professional athlete). I guess the latter example would make one a temporary 1%er.

Since we're talking about the economy (see OP above), what do any of you who have used the phrase "1%" in the posts above, mean?


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"RINOS got their butts kicked with 80 some odd tea partiers blowinng into Washington and holding their party hostage."

Republicans were entrusted with the US House, governorships and legislatures across the country in 2010. Power still favors Democrats, however, with a Democrat president and senate. We're still on the skids, and folks are still struggling, still looking for work and still losing their homes.

FWIW, when folks lose things, they get depressed. We have an awful lot of people who have suffered great losses in the past few years, material things as well as a loss of confidence in government. Glad elections are near, and people can once again feel empowered by their right to vote.


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I agree with that post 100%, FWIw. Th entire world is in a hole and it will take a very long time to get us out. I am happy to see numbers trending up but with Europe headed for a double dip after austerity measures, I know exactly what direction I want my country to go in...Bin Laden is dead and the auto industry lives.

Say not to Bush 3.0.

What will he do to make things better? Please answer.


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fwiw

oh...and "it's all about the economy" exactly what the tea party red tide said in 2010, yet legislatively thy have written mroe "social legislation" than anything else, including 90 pieces of anti-abortion laws across the country.

They lie, you buy.


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I always loved posting the tea party claims to having a social agenda on here only to have the true believers claim that it wasn't true! Nothing like pulling the wool over your own eyes these guys certainly didn't do it.


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"What will he do to make things better?"

Respect the electorate.


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Respect the electorate.

Oh good grief - what a non-specific excuse. You can't prove that he does/doesn't just like you can't prove that Obama does/doesn't. Although I'm sure you'll drag out that old "he shoved healthcare reform down our throats" line again as some pseudo-excuse that Obama doesn't respect the electorate. Lots of people will differ with you and it become another he said/she said discussion. Respecting the electorate is nothing but an opinion.

Give us something concrete we can work with on what Romney will do better.


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Respect the electorate.

President Obama was elected on a platform that included health care reform. I would say that he did respect the electorate on this issue.


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