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Is Romney a psychopath?

Posted by don_socal socal (My Page) on
Sat, May 12, 12 at 13:27

Sleeplessinftwayne wrote
"I have always found the subject of bullies and social manipulation to be endlessly worthwhile to discuss. There are so many of them."

And Ink posted a thread with a link to a gastly deed where housefull stated the sociopaths should be put to death.

I am a people watcher and interested in how we all treat each other and why. For the last year and a half I have been riding the bus a couple of times a week to the VA hospital in Log Beach to save money on gas, a two hour ride each way and three different buses. This is a great opportunity to see what is out there to represent humanity. People like to control others or have empathy and manners in many different forms.

In my work over the last 40 years I have dealt with the public at their places of residence on all levels of the social ladder from dirt poor in the burbs to multimillion dollar mansions in Beverly Hills. The only thing that money provides is ease of squiring what people want weather it is material goods or power over others. Money/Power allows a smart person to cover up many things. I said that I think Romney is a psychopath in the High school thread because of the actions we know of him. This thread is to debate if he is and why. Here are links with muc information about this and the prevalence of it in our society.

Psychopath vs Sociopath


Psychopath vs. Antisocial Personality Disorder and Sociopathy

Psychopathy vs. Antisocial Personality Disorder and Sociopathy: A Discussion by Robert Hare

"Too many people hold the idea that psychopaths are essentially killers or convicts. The general public hasn't been educated to see beyond the social stereotypes to understand that psychopaths can be entrepreneurs, politicians, CEOs and other successful individuals who may never see the inside of a prison and who don't commit violent crimes. However, they do often commit violations of another sort: They exploit people and leave them depleted and much the worse for the encounter. They prove to be treacherous employees, conniving businessmen, or immoral officials who use their position to victimize people and enrich themselves."

"What's missing in psychopaths are the qualities that people depend on for living in social harmony. In this book, Hare estimated (conservatively) that there were more than two million psychopaths in North America. "Psychopathy," he insisted, "touches virtually every one of us."[...]"

Limbic system

"They seemed to be like Spock or Data on Star Trek," Hare explains, "What I thought was most interesting was that for the first time ever, as far as I know, we found that there was no activation of the appropriate areas for emotional arousal, but there was over-activation in other parts of the brain, including parts of the brain that are ordinarily devoted to language. Those parts were active, as if they were saying, 'Hey, isn't that interesting.' So they seem to be analyzing emotional material in terms of its linguistic or dictionary meaning."

"Then there are the children: can we spot budding psychopaths and intervene before they became dangerous adults? A version of the PCL-R used for adolescents is the Psychopathy Checklist: Youth Version (PVL:YV), developed with Dr. Adelle Forth and Dr. David Kosson. It has proven to be as reliable and valid as its adult counterpart. For younger children, the Antisocial Process Screening Device (APSD), developed with Dr. Paul Frick, appears to be useful for distinguishing children who show risk factors for the development of psychopathy, such as lying easily and acting without awareness of the consequences, from those who merely have social and emotional problems."

"In some cases the information can be used to guide law enforcement officers in their dealings with suspects. For example, to get cooperation from psychopaths it would be pointless to appeal to their conscience, or to try to make them feel something for their victims or to feel badly about what they did. It may be more productive to offer them something that appeals to their self-interest. Many a psychopath involved in a "deadly duet" has turned on a partner to save his or her own skin. Education about psychopaths should be a routine part of the training of police officers."


From the left side bar...

"They are absolutely the world's best manipulators, liars, and fabricators of truth. They do so convincingly because they believe their own lies. After all their life is nothing but a lie, a sham, how can we possibly assume they know anything different."
"Others around me would get so tired of the whole thing and insinuate that I was perpetuating things. All I wanted was for him to leave me alone. Part of the hurt and damage was done because others could but would not see what was actually happening. He would always try to ingratiate himself to others it was sickening. Usually psychopaths put on the nicest act, and you look like the harpy and b*tch, and so everyone takes their side, it is a horror story, a psychopath can be very charming, and manipulative and manipulate the smartest of people."
"My biggest frustration and source of anger, is at those who have refused to take a stand when they see the abuse . No matter how outrageous his behavior others often stood by and inadvertently fuelled his grandiosity and denial... although denial is too mild a word for it.

"I have finally come to the conclusion that they cannot change, so all we can do is to refuse to participate in their sick drama and leave the stage."


The Psychopathic Tendency in World Politics

"Based on the conduct of the Iraq war, more and more people worldwide are concluding that George Bush is a psychopathic, insane individual. Some skeptics argue that the events of 9/11 were a cynical hoax, intended to provoke America into fighting aggressive wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, causing the deaths of hundreds of thousands if not millions of innocents, in a quest for Imperial power. If this is agreed, then it really should not be necessary to offer any further evidence of the psychopathy of George W. Bush. But there is much more: in this essay by Bev Conover of Online Journal, Bush isn't a moron, he's a cunning sociopath, we learn that in his youth, George W. "enjoyed putting firecrackers into frogs, throwing them in the air, and then watching them blow up." Reporter Richard Gooding of the tabloid STAR stated, in a well-referenced article, that Bush was the president of Yale's Delta Epsilon Kappa fraternity -- which "barbarically branded its new members on their backsides with a red-hot metal rod as part of a sadistic hazing practice." Reportedly, "the branding resulted in a second-degree burn that left a half-inch scab in the shape of the Greek letter Delta."

While he was not busy slumming at Delta Epsilon Kappa, Bush also joined the highly elite Skull and Bones fraternity at Yale. Some boys just can't get enough of that "Greek" party lifestyle."

"A list of the ever-evolving tactics of the psychopathic elite classes would certainly include the following --

(1) Capitalist economics. Wealth obtained by the elite through conquest or theft, or inheritance, or monopolistic practices, or government-granted privilege, is treated equivalently to wealth generated by hard work or trade or innovation. In this way, the elite co-opts the support of the productive middle class.

(2) Socialist economics. The elite captures a large percentage of the total income of society through taxation (as in most modern nations). This is done ostensibly for the benefit of the common people at large, but most of the resources are appropriated for elite purposes, while only a relatively small trickle is used for "bread and circuses" to maintain support from the lower and middle classes.

(3) Feudal, fascist or communist economics. The common people are more or less owned by the elites as slaves, who are alternatively terrorized and cajoled into compliance. This system occurs when the elite is able to cause the breakdown of capitalist or socialist economic system.

(4) Democratic political systems. All politicians come from the elite classes or serve the interests of elite classes, while the people have the illusion of determining outcomes for their benefit.

(5) Authoritarian political systems. Royal or dictatorial power is used to direct as much as possible of all social resources towards elite goals. The system may be justified on patriotic, ideological or religious grounds. Typically associated with feudal or fascist economic systems.

(6) Popular religions. Often created and always manipulated by psychopathic lies from the priesthood, popular religions exploit natural human spirituality to promote the goals of the elite. Typically, individuals are encouraged to behave honestly and altruistically on behalf of elite goals (in contrast to the elites themselves, who routinely rely on deceit and treachery.) Religion may also be used to promote war and ethnic hatred, when this is required by elite strategies.

(7) Conspiracy. Elite individuals may choose to cooperate secretly with other elite individuals in other institutions or nations, to achieve mutual goals. Since elites do not necessarily share the religious and ethnic prejudices of their citizens or subjects, these conspiratorial alignments may often seem paradoxical or impossible when viewed in terms of conventional (national or institutional) paradigms. They make sense only in terms of the universal class struggle transcending national or institutional boundaries.

(8) War and conquest. Elites in aggressor societies use their power and deceitfulness to incite the population to make war. War creates anxiety, and allows the upper classes to appropriate more resources to defeat the enemy. For the losing side in war, the population at large may suffer complete defeat (and death or slavery) but the losing elite typically emerges in quisling status -- reduced but far from impotent. Sometimes a militarily strong but culturally inept nation or tribe invades and conquers another, only to find themselves ruled in short order by the elite classes of the conquered.

A particularly astounding example of the creation of war by elite banking interests is the extraordinary level of funding of both Hitler and Stalin in the build-up to World War II, as documented in Antony Sutton's books "Wall Street and the Rise of Hitler" (1976) and "National Suicide, Military Aid to the Soviet Union" (1973). These interests were obviously more important that Hitler in creating World War II, yet they went unpunished and indeed invisible at the Nuremberg War Crimes tribunals, and they are leading the charge to war today as well.

(9) Revolution and submergence. If the lower classes make troublesome demands, the elite may stage or permit a revolution which promises a major overhaul in the social structure. Following the revolution, the same old elite class emerges in control of the new institutional framework.

(10) Economic and social chaos. Elites may intentionally create or exacerbate economic boom-bust cycles, instigate ethnic conflict, or intentionally sabotage the productive capacities of a society, in order to increase the relative power and status of government and corporate institutions."


Follow-Up Postings:

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RE: Is Romney a psychopath?

NO, I don't think Romney is a psychopath.

I think people that think he is might be.


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RE: Is Romney a psychopath?

I don't think he is a psychopath but I certainly think he has no empathy towards those who have it a tad tougher than he and, as such, is totally out of touch with mainstream America.

To me the man simply hasn't what it takes to represent all the people. He is an elitist who will bow to whoever and whatever will bring him the "toy train" he has coveted for so long. He is used to buying whatever he wants, it just takes money.

I honestly believe he only wants the job for the "prestige". If that's what you want in your President then he is your man.


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An interesting topic Don, I just came in so I will have to think about it some more but on the face of it it would seem that Romney is as much a psychopath as any other politician and there may be a crossover with megalomania from what is written there. I think that people who think people who think people that think he is might be on some kind of path but I am not sure which.


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Resume building.

This might be the one thing Romney wants that he cannot have. (I hope I hope I hope!)


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No, he is not a psychopath. He is, however, a narcissist just like Obama. BO also "only wants the job for the "prestige."

Do we have a label for the witnesses to the Lauber incident who stood by and did nothing?


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Whatever Romney is or isn't, it showed EXTREMELY poor judgement to act in that manner at age 18. He was the son of the sitting governor of Michigan, what he did was a criminal offense, even if it was/would have been laughed off as a "prank" back at a time when bullying and gay bashing were accepted.

Too bad he wasn't caught and prosecuted at the time.


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Don, I am sorry to say you have fallen for the worst type of political manipulation. Rumor and innuendo rarely prove to be based in fact. The things you claim about Romney can be applied equally to President Obama. You are just predisposed to believe the worst about Romney.


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If the shoe fits...


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"You are just predisposed to believe the worst about Romney."

Just as others are predisposed to believe the worst about President Obama.....a bipartisan affliction, it would seem!

The one thing I can't agree with is any similarity in the two, to me they are polar opposites...except of course for their ties to election money!


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I have some bad news for most of you.

My nephew was here for a wedding in Cleveland. He spent 3 nights at our house with his male partner. Yes, they are gay and married.

Now, for the bad news. While discussing Romney and bullying, my nephew confessed that he bullied several people, boys and girls in middle school and high school.

The shame of it all! A gay boy bullying straight boys and girls. Oh MY!

Find something to do folks. Something that really matters and will change the life of someone hurting.

Bye for now, ye of little no tolerance.


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  • Posted by natal Louisiana 8b (My Page) on
    Sat, May 12, 12 at 16:25

Is your nephew running for political office?


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  • Posted by natal Louisiana 8b (My Page) on
    Sat, May 12, 12 at 16:26

And another thing ... he owned up to it ... Romney didn't.


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brush, how would you feel if the child that was bullied by Romney was autistic? Would you still say, sarcastically "the shame of it all...Oh My!" Bullying of those who are perceived as different happens every day and it can NEVER be excused or minimized NEVER! I'm really a bit surprised with your comment.

Natal you're right on. Lots of people have bullied someone at sometime or other. Not nice but not uncommon. The point is how you deal with what you did as you grow older and wiser. Romney is not dealing with this in a way I would expect a leader to.


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  • Posted by kwoods Cold z7 Long Is (My Page) on
    Sat, May 12, 12 at 16:46

Yes, yes he is.


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Do we have a label for the witnesses to the Lauber incident who stood by and did nothing?

Yes, they are gullible followers of Willy Romney.

Never forget, Romney was the one who organized this gang assault on the gay kid. It was Romney's idea. He told the high school boys to knock this boy down and pin him so Romney could humiliate and violate him by chopping his hair. Romney had other instances of inappropriate behavior such as yelling "atta girl" in class after a gay student spoke. ....and I have read that did that several times.

A gay boy bullying straight boys and girls. Oh MY!
Find something to do folks. Something that really matters and will change the life of someone hurting.

Your family anecdote means nothing. Bullying matters and thus, it is very appropriate that it is discussed here. It is even more relevant to know that Romney, a bully boy in high school, organized and led a physical assault on another boy. That goes to his character in a big way. It is the kind of information people need to understand who that guy really is.

I don't buy Romney's excuse or those of his apologists. Some ave tried to deny this happened or minimize this by calling an assault like that a "prank." Others have suggested that the passage of time means that this outrageous conduct should be forgotten.

Would you have forgotten it if a gang of high school boys took you down to the ground and pinned you while some arrogant chuckling rich kid butchered your hair with a dull scissors?
I sure the he11 wouldn't have.

This incident in itself is not disqualifying for Romney, but it is in the context of other bullying, homophobic acts by Romney during those years.
It helps fill in the picture that we get of Romney,,,,,a kid from a wealthy family who attended exclusive prep schools and lacked even the basic tolerance toward the small population of boys from other wealthy families who attended.

So, when Romney now states that he doesn't care about the poor because they have a safety net, One might reasonably surmise that Romney has no idea what he is talking about. He knows nothing about the poor, where they live, and what they need to survive. Likewise, he has no idea how much financial pressure many middle class people have been under for the last 5 years and what challenges they face. And he has no idea how to 'fix' the economy or the problems that we have faced since the near collapse of the financial markets in 2008.


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  • Posted by vgkg 7-Va Tidewater (My Page) on
    Sat, May 12, 12 at 17:49

Psychopath?

Dunno, dunno Romney that well.
But my gut tells me that I can trust Obama, Romney not so much....and I trust my gut....and my mind agrees.


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I don't know if he's a psychopath but he's creepy.. He gets that look in his eye..like I want this so bad, I spit all over myself talking fast and furiously. ANYONE who hurts an animal in any way or assaults a fellow student has real problems in their character, and I doubt that quality ever leaves. . I lost touch with my HS gay friend. The punks used to say "Atta girl" to him and "what's up, Sally? " He also had long hair over his eye, but I don't recall physical assault , but the verbal was bad enough. .Mitt spoke at Liberty University today..a crowd who who would lap it up. I think Jerry Falwell was the most disgusting POS ever to get a Pulpit, beside Pat Robertson.


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Just back from a plant sale at the horticulture department where I used to teach at the local community college and lunch with our oldest.

Thank you demifloyd for your special prayers and comfort for the loss of our gay son on this special weekend.

Chase, I agree that he wants to live up to and surpass his father and that wealth and power are the things that drive him. They also give him the wherewithal to do what he wants and hide the mistakes from the norm that he makes due to that lack of empathy. Funny how that is an integral part of the descriptions in the links above.

Ink, megalomania is a good observation and included in the links above and the political process from the local on up.

Duluthinbloomz, I hope I hope I hope!

Houseful, narcissist is a trait that fits the links above also and perhaps Obama is also. There is a difference though as there is with the accomplices and that is that they all have remorse over mistakes made.

Denninmi, poor judgement is another part of the psychological makeup, thank you.

Sleeplessinftwayne, as noted the difference is the empathy and taking responsibility. My evaluation of Romney dates to my first impressions of him a couple of years ago when he became one of the chosen. The recent news verified by the differences in how witnesses responded only verifies my initial gut feelings.

Jodi, ditto.

Chase, election money, yes, but sincerity and empathy trump poor excuses and a memory that works only for the good of the money pursuer.

Brushworks, tolerance is a personal thing and we each decide how much we can handle. Our kids did odd stuff throughout their lives and we are still quite proud of all of them. We were just remembering how our second son, gone now, dressed up the youngest, himself and his Mom in leathers with a leash and spiked collar on the little one. I put on my motorcycle jacket and we went as a loving family to Kmart in the middle of the night with the little one barking at all he saw. It was fun to watch the reactions.

Natal, yes that is a big difference.

Chase, agree.

Kwoods, those are the eyes.

Heri_cles, agree with your entire post and saw this behavior prevalent when he first appeared on the scene. All the new information only verifies it.

Vgkg, yes....and I trust my gut....and my mind agrees.

Lily, very well said, happy Mom's day to you.


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I see that I may be missing an extra dimension of candidate Romney by not having a television.


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I don't know if he is or he isn't, I don't believe that is up to me to decide. I do feel that it's too easy to fit the characteristics of a sociopath to a person you really, really don't like but that doesn't mean that it's an actual fit.

What I do know of him - the man - doesn't inspire me to give him my vote of confidence to be the leader of all of us in this country. I most sincerely hope this country is spared of him as our President.

But then people feel the same about Obama, with an intensity, right from day 1, which I have NEVER understood


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Does he have charm?

Does he lay the charm on too thick? Does he come across as glib, superficial, and unconvincing?

Is he seductive in his appeal? Does he take advantage of that?

Does he play the victim? Pity me?

Does he accuse others for the very things he does?

Does he say the problems are with you and not him?

Does he enjoy the challenge of running for President?

I don't think he's a psychopath or sociopath but I do think he's a victim of his upbringing. He doesn't come across as an empathetic or caring fellow. So I ask myself, "Why is he running?" Ego.

-Ron-


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Thanks Ron I think you covered the diagnostic pretty well!


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I don't think he is a psychopath, but it's almost impossible to tell if someone is a psychopath without knowing them personally....after all, part of the definition of a psychopath is that they are very, very good at hiding the fact that they are a psychopath!!!!


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Maybe. But I would go so far as to say he is a "classic narcissist." He clearly has a defect in empathy. From the dog on the car to the bullying incident, to the elevator for his cars, to the callous mis-statements about the poor and Middle Class Americans, it all fits together into a pattern.

One difference between Romney and Obama is, I think, that Obama has charisma and a healthy ego. Not to mention a sharp, calm mind. I have the impression Romney's not the sharpest pencil in the box....


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He clearly has a defect in empathy

Yes. That's exactly what it is. He reminds me so much of Bush I who didn't have a clue about how the other half live (or I guess we can now say 99%).


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Romeny doesn't remind me at all of Bush.


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Posted by fouquieria 10b (My Page) on Sun, May 13, 12 at 2:09

Does he have charm?
Does he lay the charm on too thick? Does he come across as glib, superficial, and unconvincing?

Is he seductive in his appeal? Does he take advantage of that?

Does he play the victim? Pity me?

Does he accuse others for the very things he does?

Does he say the problems are with you and not him?

Does he enjoy the challenge of running for President?

I don't think he's a psychopath or sociopath but I do think he's a victim of his upbringing. He doesn't come across as an empathetic or caring fellow. So I ask myself, "Why is he running?" Ego.

-Ron-

The "does he" questions fit the bill for Obama AND Romney, mostly, although I don't see the "pity me" thing with Romney.


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Now 3 or 4 years ago a group of esteemed posters did the same thing with OBAMA just then it was sociopath.
I don"t have a shingle for Mittens or Obama & a case for extreme narcissism can be made for any politician. We know there are enough alcoholic & sex addicted politicians


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I see that I may be missing an extra dimension of candidate Romney by not having a television.

Me too. Anyone have some good youtube clips to share so that we can get in on the "eye" thing?


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Oh and PS. I don't particularly think Romney's a sociopath. I don't think much of him either way. He's a forgettable Milquetoast who uses clueless corporate-speak or weirdly awkward and poorly-rehearsed populist touches. I wouldn't fear him nearly as much as his host of hidden "advisors", just as I felt about George W. Both of them have the inestimable psychological disadvantage of a very successful, hard-driven but indulgent father.


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  • Posted by vgkg 7-Va Tidewater (My Page) on
    Mon, May 14, 12 at 0:15

Romney = Niedermeyer in "Animal House"


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If Romney reminds me of anything, it's a puppet on a string who is thinking about a million other places he'd rather be, and a million other things he'd rather be doing, whenever he's seen. It's like there's not much behind the eyes... they look empty and fake. That's just the impression I get.


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I agree with Jodi..He's like a puppet on a string saying what ever the crowds wants. He has a dull blank look in his eyes and gushes out words that were programmed into him to appeal to whoever he's speaking. Mannequin man is a apt descriptor. If that's the best the GOP can come up with, too bad.


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Romney's failure to empathize with those who have struggled fnancially since the economic bubbles burst, should and I hope will cost him the election.

In addition to the issue of jobs, concern about the social safety net including Medicare are big issues with a large segment of baby boomers, and the Romney/Ryan austerity plan has many of them worried sick.


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LOL, thread after thread after thread dissing Romney. And it's disrespectful to call Obama BO.


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I don't think anyone that has never met Mitt Romney....interacted with him on a daily basis...or personally looked him in the eye...or talked with others who have been around him say in the last 5 years is qualified to give a bonafide assessment labeling him a psychopath.

Thats a very strong description and a very ugly name for anyone that you don't know personally.

I remember when Obama was elected and so many people described him as an empty suit.....said you couldn't read him...he appeared numb....unapproachable....etc etc.

All of that was true about him until he took the Dale Carnegie course(not factual just a joke)and I was one of those persons but I would have never called him psycho...or
anything so harsh.

Politics are ugly enough without it turning our own words into vile spears.

Most things are fair in politics but in my opinion putting a label like that on anyone just because we can't stand them is crossing the line even for HT.

I also find it unusual for several of the posters on here who usually adhere to the rule of "prove it", to jump on this character assassination of a boy who played jerk
and double jerk while in high school.
45 years ago.

Most guys are or can be jerks at times in high school.
We all know that.


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  • Posted by kwoods Cold z7 Long Is (My Page) on
    Mon, May 14, 12 at 15:51

Romney = Klaatu, proxy of Gort.


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  • Posted by sweeby Gulf Coast TX (My Page) on
    Mon, May 14, 12 at 15:52

"his character assassination of a boy who played jerk and double jerk while in high school. 45 years ago.

Most guys are or can be jerks at times in high school. We all know that."

That's certainly true. I think most of us, at some point in our lives, did something jerky to someone else who was lower on the social pecking order. In 7th grade, I know I did, and it shames me to this day -- as it rightfully should. If I ever see that woman again, you can be sure she will get a no-excuses abject apology from me.

Thing is, I don't see Mitt Romney being ashamed. He claims to have forgotten the incident -- and if that's true, then that in itself is evidence of a problem. You can be sure Lauber didn't forget... And if Romney didn't forget, then he's glossing over it, minimizing and lying to evade responsibility -- also not great character traits.

I have to think that if it had been President Obama who had done a similar thing, that he'd have acknowledged it as a low point and apologized for his insensitivity and 'jerkiness'. That's the right thing to do. The ONLY right thing.


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Romney Apologizes For Bullying In Prep School, Says He Didn't Know Victim Was Gay
Posted: 05/10/2012 12:06 pm Updated: 05/10/2012 12:32 pm

radio show Thursday morning to respond to a lengthy Washington Post story on his time as a prep-school prankster and a bully of a closeted gay student.

"They talk about the fact that I played a lot of pranks in high school," Romney said. "And they describe some that you just say to yourself, back in high school I just did some dumb things and if anybody was hurt by that or offended by it, obviously I apologize."

"I participated in a lot of hijinks and pranks during high school and some might have gone too far and for that, I apologize," he added.

It's never quite clear whether a politician's high school years are fair game for political attacks. Romney suggested during the interview that the acts he was apologizing for were merely youthful indiscretions; the Post described him pinning a closeted gay classmate to the ground and cutting his long hair, for example. But with the story suggesting latent homophobia in an adolescent Romney and with President Barack Obama having endorsed same-sex marriage on Wednesday, the piece reverberated.

Still, Romney said he was "not going to be too concerned" about the item. He insisted that he grew up in a tolerant environment and that there was nothing about his pranks that were discriminatory towards gays.

On one but Romney knows what he was thinking back then.
He has apologized for being a jerk and I think he should never discuss it again. If the media won't leave it alone...he should tell them he has the economy to discuss with them and not answer anything else about this .

This has turned into a brain burp for everyone.


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Romney = Golem of Prague


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I suppose it's fair game to bring up incidents from High School, but I'm not sure how much stock anyone should put in it. I am not fan of Romney's but I also don't believe he is a bigot, nor do I believe his heart is filled with hatred.

I suppose what this story from high school does is add to the narrative that Romney is a chilly, unfeeling person...i.e. the dog on top of the car thing, etc. etc. etc.

And mrskjun, I don't really think it's out of bounds to criticize a politician on a thread?


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Kry as a gay person who wanted to marry one day I'm curious. "I also don't believe he is a bigot" Is it a states rights issue for you also.
Yesterday he was down at Jerry Falwell's Liberty College (not your mainstream sort of university playing to what if not religious bigotry dressed up as law.


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I'll clarify...I don't think he's a bigot in the typical way that many conservatives are. I didn't believe GWB was a bigot either. I think Santorum and many others are, though.


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RE:Willard

AH thanks, I actually agree with that.

From Vanity Fair.

If Romney is exceedingly comfortable around family and close friends, he�s much less so around those he doesn�t know well, drawing a boundary that�s difficult to traverse. It�s a strict social order�us and them�that has put co-workers, political aides, casual acquaintances, and others in his professional circles, even people who have worked with or known him for years, outside the bubble. As a result, he has numerous admirers but, by several accounts, not a long list of close pals. "He�s very engaging and charming in a small group of friends he�s comfortable with," said one former aide. "When he�s with people he doesn�t know, he gets more formal. And if it�s a political thing where he doesn�t know anybody, he has a mask." For those outside the inner circle, Romney comes across as all business. Colleagues at work or political staffers are there to do a job, not to bond. "Mitt is always the star," said one Massachusetts Republican. "And everybody else is a bit player." He has little patience for idle chatter or small talk, little interest in mingling at cocktail parties, at social functions, or even in the crowded hallway. He is not fed by, and does not crave, casual social interaction, often displaying little desire to know who people are and what makes them tick. "He wasn�t overly interested in people�s personal details or their kids or spouses or team building or their career path," said another former aide. "It was all very friendly but not very deep." Or, as one fellow Republican put it, "He has that invisible wall between �me� and �you.�" Referring to the time later when Romney was governor of Massachusetts, a Democratic lawmaker recalls, "You remember Richard Nixon and the imperial presidency? Well, this was the imperial governor." There were the ropes that often curtailed access to Romney and his chambers. The elevator settings restricted access to his office. The tape on the floor told people exactly where to stand during events. This was the controlled environment that Romney created. His orbit was his own. "We always would talk about how, among the legislators, he had no idea what our names were�none," the lawmaker said, "because he was so far removed from the day-to-day operations of state government."

To pretend to be all things to all people I feel is a far worse characteristic many politicians appear to play that route also.


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Vanity Fair....wonder if that is a far to the right medium.
Could be. Most media outlets are .

I give natta credence to any stories about Romney.


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I did it again. Called the left the right.
Sorry .
Wish the media was far to the right!


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Nancy, check out pictures or watch some videos of him and you will see that dimension.

Mylab, "I most sincerely hope this country is spared of him as our President." Me too. "But then people feel the same about Obama, with an intensity, right from day 1, which I have NEVER understood" You cannot understand something that they do not explain and they never have.

Ron, good observation.

Joe, yes.

Krycek, true.

Woodnymph, the pattern is important and he does make a lot of blunders.

Jerzee, he has been in the 1% all his life.

Krycek, Bush 1 yes, Bush 2not so much except the 1% from birth.

elvis, only a couple for Obama.

Joe, it is part of the partisanship game.

circuspeanut, I will look up some pictures, it is easier than droning through videos but I will try to find a few. Yes the out of touch bunch.

vgkg, Animal House is a good comparison.

Jodi and Lili, Good observation and explanation.

heri_cles. that is legitimate scariness about him.

kwoods, I hope not.

Sweeby, agree.

circuspeanut, LOL.

krycek and joe, the unfeeling part is what leans toward mental for me and the VF story explains that well.

Here is a link that might be useful: These pictures are scary to me.


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Romney said I participated in a lot of hijinks and pranks during high school and some might have gone too far

Romney also stated that he did not remember the specific incident which i guess may have been a hijink or prank in his mind.
So Romney continues to lie when he states that he doesn't remember it. Romney also refuses to apologize for the specific conduct and instead seeks to brush it off as some typical high school prank. We all know that this conduct wasn't a Dennis the Menace prank, this was a serious and violent bullying incident that went unpunished. It was a weird, creepy and cruel assault that Romney not only "participated in" but concocted and led.

The proper response for Rom would have been to first acknowledge precisely what he did in organizing and leading that assault. He should state unequivocally that he is now ashamed of his conduct on that day. As an ex-bully, Romney might also comment on the dangers of bullying to children. Bullying continues to be a problem and has caused high school kids to commit suicide.

Of course that would have taken the kind of leadership and broad vision that someone with aspirations to be President should demonstrate. Not this squirming tepid non-apology/denial which makes people choose between Republican and Democratic positions on bullying, rather than on what we all know is right. Romney's denial and minimization of the issue was small minded and personal. Instead he could have chosen to stand on higher ground instructing that all of our sons and daughters should conduct themselves properly and respect others at their schools and in society. No child deserves to be picked on and brutalized, demoralized and hurt and that kind of conduct should never be minimized or go unpunished.


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Oh but, heri, he doesn't believe any of that. Someone would have to tell him that's what he's supposed to say. Wouldn't even occur to him.

No, he's not a traditional bigot. He just doesn't care about anyone that's not on his social level.

Romney said he was "not going to be too concerned" about the item.

Not going to be too concerned, huh? Well, doesn't that say it all. Not too concerned because he doesn't see it as a big deal. So, he harassed someone that was not like him. Big deal!

And that's the problem with Romney. He has no ability to put himself in the place of the victim. No empathy at all.


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