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Posted by labrea 7NYC (My Page) on
Tue, May 22, 12 at 20:08

Anyway they say whoever they are that the losses for
JP MORGAN are up now around $7 Billion. tick toc tick tock.
I wonder can Hay contact Obi wan Kenobi in time to defeat the dastardly near socialist hordes of COMMUNAZI traders.

"The crisis at JP Morgan escalated yesterday as it emerged its trading losses in London could rise to as much as $7bn (4.5bn Pounds) and the US bank cancelled a share buyback. Fears were growing that the losses could spiral from an initial $2bn, which was declared on 10 May, as JP Morgan struggles to unwind the massive bets made by the so-called "London Whale" trader Bruno Iksil".

The $7 billion number comes from "rival traders," who probably aren't completely unbiased on this. Still, it was rival traders that inflicted these losses in the first place, by taking the other side of Bruno Iskil's bets. So I don't doubt that, as one trader says, "The markets know pretty much what JP Morgan has and in what sizes."

Moreover, as I said yesterday, JPMorgan Chase's suspension of share buybacks looms really large here. They are clearly not suspending that $15 billion purchase just because they suddenly decided to be prudent on capital requirements, or because they just figured out how much reserves they have to hold under Basel III, which was put together in September of 2010. The only things that have significantly changed at JPMC between the March buyback announcement and the May suspension are the Fail Whale trades. So it's almost certain that this is just a much bigger deal than the $2 billion number most media outlets are still going with.

I'm positive The banking committee will shine a big spotlight on the problem and set everything right.

Senator Tim Johnson head of the banking Committee a Dem (got to get the blame correct) hired Dwight Fettig in 2010 Fettig was is, was, is a lobbyist.
As chief of staff he will more than likely investigate the Company he used to shill for, Oh that sounds so dirty Joe!

Perhaps Hay could contact Obi wan Kenobi to stop the dastardly Cummunazi traders sticking it to good old JP and than bam boff pow knock out that bad old Banking Committee investigation.

The Honorable Tim Johnson The Honorable Spencer Bachus
Chairman, Senate Banking Committee Chairman, House Financial Services Committee requests the pleasure of your company for an informal soiree & investigation.
Cocktail hour to be announced!

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  • Posted by ohiomom 3rdrockfromthesun (My Page) on
    Tue, May 22, 12 at 20:35

...meanwhile it looks like a lawsuit brewing as the employees of JP sue, ooops gambled away their pension plans ?

And as far as that banking committee, no conflict of interest here .. wallstreet and k street sitting in a tree, k i s s i n g

When Jamie Dimon looks at members of the Senate Banking Committee at an upcoming hearing on J.P. Morgans costly trading blunders, hell be looking at men who have been given tens of thousands of dollars by his employees.

Employees of the Wall Street giant and political action committees tied to it have given to the campaigns of eight of the banking panels 22 members, according to a search of data compiled by the Center for Responsive Politics. In the cases of some members like ranking Republican Richard Shelby, and Jack Reed, the panels No. 2 Democrat J.P. Morgan-related donors are among their top five campaign contributors.

J.P. Morgan employees and related PACs are the No. 1 donor to panel chairman Tim Johnson. During the 2007-2012 cycle, theyve given just shy of $39,000 to the South Dakota Democrats campaign committee.

Johnson, Shelby, Reed and others are gearing up to quiz J.P. Morgans CEO Dimon about at least $2 billion in losses related to the firms trading stumble. A hearing date hasnt been set.

Of the committees 12 Democrats, four have taken J.P. Morgan money: Johnson, Reed, Jon Tester of Montana, and Mark Warner of Virginia. Four of the panels 10 Republicans have also accepted contributions: Shelby, Mike Crapo of Idaho, Bob Corker of Tennessee and Mark Kirk of Illinois.

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According to President Obama, JPMorgan is "one of the best-managed banks there is" and Jamie Dimon is "one of the smartest bankers."

Should we be worried?

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All the king's billions and all the king's trillions COULD put JP back together again.

And so it was. Watch and see.


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Well, you see, if these big banks fail, that would seriously effect you, the tax payer, and so it is in your best interest that we, the gvt, take the necessary steps to protect the citizenry, and make sure that the foundations of our economic system stand firm.

/something like that.


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And, it's in our best interest that JP Morgan Chase have the funds to continue it's campaign contributions to those who protect them and support them.


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Clear example of why we need more regulations and Romeny wants to repeal the already week Dodd-Frank reforms.

The risk taking of this giant banks jeopardizes our economy and the worlds as we already painfully know. Their gig of buying government and then blaming government for their failures is up.


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Their gig of buying government and then blaming government for their failures is up.

High 5's, Maggie.

I pray you are right, but I won't hold my breath.


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Is the government "Too Big to Fail"?

Hay


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JPMorgan Chase has spent upward of $20 million on lobbying and campaign contributions in the past three years. On Tuesday, the bank received a healthy dividend on that investment.

Its chairman, Jamie Dimon, has admitted that the firm was "sloppy" and "stupid" in making trading bets that lost $2 billion. But Republicans on the Senate Banking Committee wouldn't hear of it; they preferred to blame government.

As the panel held the first hearing on the JPMorgan losses, Sen. Richard Shelby (Ala.), the committee's ranking Republican, glowered at federal regulators and charged that they "didn't know what was really going on."

"When did you first learn about these trades?" Shelby inquired.

Gary Gensler, head of the Commodity Futures Trading Commission, admitted that he had learned about them from press reports.

"Press reports!" Shelby echoed, with mock surprise. He smiled. "Were you in the dark?"

Gensler tried to explain that his agency does not yet have authority to regulate the bank, but Shelby interrupted. "So you really didn't know what was going on . . . until you read the press reports like the rest of us?" he asked again.

"That's what I've said," Gensler repeated.

But Shelby wanted him to keep saying it. "You didn't know there was a problem there until you read the press reports?"

Shelby's performance was worth every bit of the $72,950 JPMorgan Chase and its employees have given him in the past five years, making the bank his second-largest source of campaign cash. It was a remarkable bit of jujitsu: The trading scandal at JPMorgan highlighted the urgent need for tougher regulation of Wall Street, but Shelby's harangue was part of a larger effort to use the scandal as justification to repeal regulations.

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Dimon himself has speculated that the firm's misbehavior would increase pressure for more regulation. But Republicans decided to defend the industry with a strong offense. Republican National Committee Chairman Reince Priebus set the message when he said this month that the JPMorgan episode showed "Dodd-Frank didn't work."

This is richer than John Pierpont himself ever was.

It's true that Dodd-Frank, the legislation responding to the 2008 economic collapse, hasn't worked - because it hasn't been put in place. At the heart of the proposed reforms is the "Volcker rule," named for a former Federal Reserve chairman, which attempts to separate banks- gambling from their government-backed deposits. This mimics the situation before the Depression-era Glass-Steagall law was repealed in 1999.

Banking lobbyists managed to weaken the Volcker rule in 2010 by securing exemptions. Even the watered-down version has been slowed by a barrage of objections from executives - none louder than Dimon. And regulators haven't had the funds to keep up with the workload. The result is that key parts of the law haven't been implemented.

Now industry-friendly lawmakers are using the scandal to discredit never-implemented regulations. Although reformers hoped the JPMorgan losses would give them momentum, it's a good bet the company will win the argument, if only because it holds so many IOUs.

According to data compiled by the Center for Responsive Politics, most senators on the Banking Committee have received sizable checks from JPMorgan and its employees over the past five years. They are the largest source of funds for Republicans Bob Corker (Tenn.), $61,000, and Mike Crapo (Idaho), $33,982, and the committee's Democratic chairman, Tim Johnson (S.D.), $38,995. They gave $108,800 to Mark Warner (D-Va.), $34,800 to Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.) and lesser amounts to three other members. The group also found that 38 members of Congress, including three on the committee, were JPMorgan shareholders as of 2010.

As the hearing began Tuesday, Securities and Exchange Commission Chairman Mary Schapiro argued that JPMorgan's activities would have been more easily monitored "if the Dodd-Frank rules had been in place."

But the Republicans were more inclined to blame the Dodd-Frank law itself - tiptoeing past the awkward fact that it hasn't been in force. Corker predicted that "the American people are going to wake up" and realize "this big Dodd-Frank bill really doesn't address real-time issues." Nebraska Republican Mike Johanns added his concern that "regulations become more and more onerous."

And Pennsylvania Republican Pat Toomey judged that "we've gone down the wrong road" with Dodd-Frank. The better course, he said, is a less intrusive plan that would "let the people in the marketplace make the decisions they will make."

Sounds nice. But that's what gave us 2008. / end quote

Although the columnist targets a Republican senator, the point is that everyone on the banking committee, both parties, get lavish bribes contributions from the banks and investment houses.

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I love it.

I do think that if you're going to be making the argument that we need more government regulation, more intrusion in our lives, you ought to at least wait until a second post to argue that the government is bought and sold by the people that are being regulated.

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Citizens United overturned and get the money out of our politics. Did you even read David's post? Pretty simple fixes really!

Looks like JP Moran alonog with Morgan Stanley and Goldman are all beig sued over the facebook ipo diaster in greed and fraud.

Hay, if you step out of your ideology, you may see what is really going on, even the banksters themselves have been stunned they get away with it...and no accountablity for them. Dimon carries on. This is not how it is supposed to work.


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They weren't as bought and sold during Glass Steagle there wasn't any incentive!


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"Hay, if you step out of your ideology"

Hay is firmly grounded in reality. If I were an Idealist, I'd be a Socialist or a Commie.

Regulation? The government clearly is NOT very good at it. Always remember that Fannie Mae didn't even exist until the government created it. Completely, 100% regulated. See where they are today?

And if you buy into the idea that we'd be OK if the Glass Steagall Act had not been partially repealed, WHO repealed it? The Government!!!!

In an ideal world, I'd be all for regulation. Instead it's hit or miss, mostly miss.

Let the government take over, completely, the running of our businesses. That's worked out really well. Right, Comarade INKY?

(Did you see that there were two more Occupiers arrested inChicago. From an Occupy Chicago site we learn a bit about one of them:

"4pm "Why This Isn't Scary: Anarchy, Communism, Socialism and The Black Bloc"

Featuring: Lou Downey (Revolution Books), John McDonald (ISO), Comrade Migs Mark J. Neiweem (Northwest Side Anarchist Black Cross), Anthony Rayson (South Side Anarchist Black Cross)")

Comrades?

Glass Steagall was passed in 1933, the beginning of Roosevelt's long rule. It was not until the war in the middle 1940's, ten or fifteen years later, that we finally emerged from the Depression. We want to thank Roosevelt's New Deal policies for that?

"My Dear Mr. Stalin."

Next stop, Cuba and Venezuela. Please stand clear of the closing doors.

Hay


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Freddie and Fannie mortgages were bundled and securitized, what are you talking about?

Glass Steagal was created because of the depression. It really makes simple sense to have s&ls and investments banks separate to prevent...well we know what.

It really is not that hard to understand. It is all about balance...love how you go right to communism. Really is pathetic and sad that some people hold on to things so rigidly. We have very clear evidence, decades of it.


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I'm about to rush out the door.

The Federal Reserve was created out of a depression, I think in about 1913. 16 years later they were part of the creation of an even bigger depression, The Great Depression.

Down the road we get the Great Inflation of the 1980's or so which was a huge contributor to the great Savings and Loan debacle.

You're the one leading us to Communism. Maybe by a different name, but same thing.

Tell me some more about the wonders of government regulation.

I'd stay and dance your silly dance, but there are pretty women waiting for me.

Bye.

Hay


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Bicycle Repair man will save us from Communism again!

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Unfortunately it takes more than a few of us bicycle repairmen. Unfortunately, there simply are not enough of us bicycle repairmen to fight the ever present tide that comes with so much regularity.

I try.

It's the nature of mankind. Orwell said that he got the idea for Animal Farm one day when he saw a very young boy who was able to control this huge beast of a horse. The horse, if he weren't so dumb, would have figured out that he was the more powerful of the two and could have trampled the young kid at any moment he chose.

That's the nature. We hear it on this forum. Never very subtle and always there. "We're the 99% and we have the power to take it whenever we want". The only thing holding you back, just like the horse, is that you're too dumb to get your act together. And, just like Animal Farm, when you do get a few more clever people to manipulate you into a powerful army, you'll find that nothing has changed other than you have new masters. New masters that are much more ruthless and uncaring than the old masters.

It's a tale that's been repeated time after time in history and will continue, time after time into the future.

Sorry to have to be so blunt. The truth hurts sometimes, I know.

Hay


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You have more to lose than your chains.

"Word History: A comrade can be socially or politically close, a closeness that is found at the etymological heart of the word comrade. In Spanish the Latin word camara, with its Late Latin meaning "chamber, room," was retained, and the derivative camarada, with the sense "roommates, especially barrack mates," was formed. Camarada then came to have the general sense "companion." English borrowed the word from Spanish and French, English comrade being first recorded in the 16th century. The political sense of comrade, now associated with Communism, had its origin in the late-19th-century use of the word as a title by socialists and communists in order to avoid such forms of address as mister. This usage, which originated during the French Revolution, is first recorded in English in 1884.

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comrade ['k?mre?d -r?d]
n 1. an associate or companion
2. (Government, Politics & Diplomacy) a fellow member of a political party, esp a fellow Communist or socialist
[from French camarade, from Spanish camarada group of soldiers sharing a billet, from camara room, from Latin; see camera, chamber]
comradely adj
comradeship n

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2. Comrade - a fellow member of the Communist Party
commie, communist - a socialist who advocates communism

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a member of the Communist party or someone with strongly leftist views.

2. a fellow member of a political party, esp a fellow Communist or socialist

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When the socialist movement gained momentum in the mid-19th century, socialists began to look for an egalitarian alternative to terms like "Mister", "Miss", or "Missus". They chose "comrade" as their preferred term of address. In German, this practice was started in 1875, with the establishment of the Socialist Workers' Party of Germany.[1][2] In English, the first known use of the word with this meaning was in 1884 in the socialist magazine Justice.

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From its widespread use during World War I the term entered the lexicon of the Nazi Party,

The official form of address between Nazi Party members was Parteigenosse, an adaptation of the word Genosse. By adopting Parteigenosse ("Party Comrade") the NSDAP tried to appeal to working-class voters and instill in its ranks the close relationships that were typical of the parties of the Left, but not of traditional parties of the Right.

As a result, even though many other socialists would continue to use "Comrade" among themselves (e.g., German and Austrian social-democrats and, for a long time, members of the British Labour Party), it became most strongly associated in public consciousness with "Soviet-style" Communism of the Marxist-Leninist, Stalinist and Trotskyist varieties. This is exemplified in its mocking use in stereotypical portrayals of the Soviet Union in Cold War films and books.

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In the early years of Soviet power in Russia, the Bolsheviks used "Comrade" when addressing or referring to people assumed sympathetic to the revolution and to the Soviet state, such as members of the Communist party (and originally of other pro-revolution leftist formations such as the Left SR) and people from the "working masses".

By the mid-1920s, the form of address "Comrade" became so commonplace in Soviet Union that it was used indiscriminately in essentially the same way as terms like "Mister" and "Sir" are employed in English. That use persisted until the fall of the Soviet Union.

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Nevertheless, the term was promoted most actively by the Communist Party of China during its struggle for power. It was used both as a noun and as a title for basically anyone in mainland China after the People's Republic of China was founded. For example, women were nu tongzhi (female comrade), children were xiao tongzhi (little comrade) and seniors were lao tongzhi (old comrade). However, after the 1980s and the onset of China's market-oriented reforms, this term has been moving out of such daily usage. It remains in use as a respectful term of public address among middle-aged Chinese and members of the Communist Party of China. Within the Communist Party, failure to address a fellow member as tong zhi is seen as a subtle but unmistakable sign of disrespect and enmity.

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The standard form in Cuba is companero / companera, as it was in socialist Nicaragua and Chile. In some parts of Latin America, camarada is the more frequent word, except in Peru, where the term is commonly associated with the nom de guerre of members of far left groups Shining Path and MRTA, while members of the social-democrat party APRA as well as other left parties or left-leaning organizations employ companero to refer to fellow members. The term "camarada" is the more normal among Spanish Communists.

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In the United States, the word "comrade" carries a strong connotation with Communism, Marxism-Leninism, and the former Soviet Union. Especially during the Cold War, to address someone as "comrade" marked either the speaker, person addressed, or both as suspected communist sympathizers. It is frequently used ironically in that way. In addition, it is still used in its generic context[clarification needed] by some American socialists. Despite this, it has been adopted into the U.S. Army Soldier's Creed in the statement "I will never leave a fallen comrade".
Socialist President Hugo Chavez of Venezuela is widely known for addressing his political mates and supporters with this term.

Communist usage

Communists use the term "comrade" as an egalitarian form of address and common title to supporters of communism that replaces hierarchical and gender-based titles.

[edit] Fascist usage

Fascists have used the term "comrade" in a similar manner to communists, as a form of address and common title to supporters of fascist movements. The term was particularly used by the Nazi Party.

[edit] In literature

In George Orwell's novel Animal Farm, the animals all refer to each other as comrade, as the story is a satirical look at the Russian Revolution. Also in Nineteen Eighty-Four, party members in Oceania refer to each other as comrade."

Your comrade, trying to keep you from making a bad situation worse.

It's difficult, but I try.

Hay


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Commie girls are Sexy!!!

Don't get me wrong. Some of my best friends are Commies.

Commie girls are Sexy!!!

Labrea, my good friend, seriously,

Why do you suppose that so many of our derogatory terms for "Commie" are linked with derogatory terms for gays?

Look over to the left at the listing for words starting with "commie".

Your friend,

Comrade Hay

Hay


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Socialists don't tend to have the neurosis that there's hedge funders under the bed.


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Thanks, Labrea.

It does look like the Gay community, as we see in the current USA politics, finds more support in the "progressive", Democratic parties.

Seriously again, and I ask because I'd think you might know:

How do Gays end up being treated in countries like Communist Russia, Communist China, Fidel's Cuba? Do you happen to know? I don't think they fared so well in Nazi Germany. Isn't that a fact? Israel is, relatively speaking, more Socialist than many countries. Batya?

Thanks.

Hay


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Is this a new topic if it is you should start it so I can give it the attention it deserves.


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Sorry to bother you.

If you start a new thread, would you also include another question I've been wondering about.

Do you think Gays tend to be more cranky than the non-Gay population?

I'd hate to be accused of generalizing from just a few isolated cases.

Hay


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What an interesting question it says a lot about you wouldn't you say? Or maybe it's not saying anything which would be more likely considering your previous posts.


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"What an interesting question it says a lot about you wouldn't you say?"

Nah, that's not what I'd say.

Would you like to start a new thread about it?

Or just tell me here what you think it says about me.

(Try to be kind if you do decide to answer me.)

"Or maybe it's not saying anything which would be more likely considering your previous posts."

Says a lot about you, don't you think?

"I wonder can Hay contact Obi wan Kenobi...

I don't want to wander too far from the OP. It does seem, after all, to be a thread about what you think about me, doesn't it?

Tell me more.

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Or we can talk about something....

Or maybe we can stick to talking about things a little more interesting than you and me.

I try to go with the flow. If you think I'm so interesting, I'll do my best to entertain you.

I try to please.

Hay


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  • Posted by ohiomom 3rdrockfromthesun (My Page) on
    Thu, May 24, 12 at 16:30

....oh my this thread not only went south, it slipped down a rabbit hole. Too bad because it could have been an interesting discussion.

Hay stay away from Alice


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Yeah it sure did! It went HAY HO which is a downgrade from Ho Hum a Junk post rating!


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I'm not sure how Hay turned this into a story on Communism. He has an insidious way of turning everything around to show the failure of government, while ignoring the failure of businesses and the private sector.. It's actually sick in a way how effective it is. A grown man that sees Communism around every corner, sad isn't it?


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It has little to do with communism everything to do with screaming about anything that comes close to looking like banking regulations or financial regulations or any kind of regulations. he'll probably posts several posts about inane regulations that are still on the books after this.


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It has very little to do with the day to day little petty arguments that we like to debate.

I think BIG!!!

You people get wrapped up in the little stuff.

We human beings are the current manifestation of a long line of evolving creatures that have inhabited this earth for billions of years. Our ancestors were nothing more than squirmy little worms in some warm mud flats somewhere. We still have remnants of the brains that did us well then but are pretty worthless and, in some cases, quite harmful to us today.

Racism, Religion, Tribalism. All these may have actually helped us to survive in a long ago time, but today the remnants of those kinds of thinking are a hindrance to our survival. We adapt or we die as a species.

We no longer live in a tribal world. It was comforting while it lasted.

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Back to the petty.

Back to the petty stuff.

The very second sentence in this OP:

"I wonder can Hay contact Obi wan Kenobi in time to defeat the dastardly near socialist hordes of COMMUNAZI traders.

That's what Labrea wanted to talk about. The first sentence of the OP was just a ruse to get us started.

I like cranky old Labrea and I want to keep him as happy as he can be. I feel it's the least I can do for all the entertainment he provides me. So here we are.

Just to make sure that I took the bait he throws out a second line toward the end of the OP:

"Perhaps Hay could contact Obi wan Kenobi to stop the dastardly Cummunazi traders sticking it to good old JP and than bam boff pow knock out that bad old Banking Committee investigation."

I could tell he needed me really badly. Poor fella. What's a nice guy like me to do?

Just to keep things rolling, he tosses in his Cheesy Youtube link.

This thread originated in a wabbit hole. I try to bring it out, but it's difficult.

I try.

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Back to the Big picture.

"I'm not sure how Hay turned this into a story on Communism. He has an insidious way of turning everything around to show the failure of government, while ignoring the failure of businesses and the private sector.. It's actually sick in a way how effective it is. A grown man that sees Communism around every corner, sad isn't it?"

So, Krycek, you see it really was all about me to begin with. Labrea needs me and I'm a nice guy.

I'm going to be very busy over the weekend so you may have to go it alone for a few days.

I hope that this doesn't change things for you and me, Krycek. With this "progressive", Socialist, Commie or whatever you want to call it these days way of thinking, remember that in just a few years that there will be only about two of you youngin's taking care of the likes of me in my dying days. It ain't gonna be cheap. There's going to be a lot of old codgers like me and Labrea that will need to be housed, fed, and kept comfortable in our old age.

I still look forward to moving in with you and your partner. Maybe you can start building a little room for me now? I'd like the walls painted a nice warm beige if you don't mind.

The older I get, the less inclined I am to argue against Socialism. See you soon!!!

You comrade,

Hay


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