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CBS:Sharyl Attkisson's Computer infiltrated

Posted by nikoleta (My Page) on
Sat, Jun 15, 13 at 16:04

CBS reporter Sharyl Attkisson said recently she thought her computers may have been targeted by someone looking for information on them. Now CBS confirms multiple intrusions, but as yet has not named the responsible party.

FTA: Several months ago, Attkisson had reported suspected intrusions of her computers, including her CBS News work computer, prompting CBS News to hire a firm to look into the hacking.

Friday's announcement comes on the heels of last month's revelation that the Justice Department had seized the emails and phone records of Fox News correspondent James Rosen.

To be clear, the federal government has not been accused in the intrusion of Attkisson's computer; CBS News is continuing to work to identify the responsible party."

Attkisson has been investigating Benghazi. For some reason, even our electeds have not been able to talk to the survivors. Where are they? Who are they? Where are they? Their "disappearance" is not business as usual.

Here is a link that might be useful: Who is spying on Attkisson's computer?


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There were reports all over the press just 6 weeks ago about the Chinese military hacking into computers all over the place, including those of the press.

Here is a link that might be useful: link


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what do you think or feel Nik?


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Joe, that is an unfair question. We are dealing with a rage de jour; what feeling or feelings are unclear?


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I have learned to just ignore posts that are simply cut and snips of various media with no personal opinion or insight. I'm looking for honest and open discussion with contributors taking a position.

I'm so done the game playing.....


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We are dealing with a rage de jour; what feeling or feelings are unclear?

Since the article said absolutely nothing about Benghazi apparently Nik tried to seize the opportunity to try to insert it. Nik's selective outrage ODJ's have indeed grown tiresome.

This post was edited by epiphyticlvr on Sat, Jun 15, 13 at 17:33


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Epi, yes, that is true. I even went to the CBS story, reading through it to find the hot issue. The only hot issues I found was the Drudge Report posting the link without comment and the comments following the story were as juvenile and tasteless (and irrelevant) as could be posted.


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Just think of what Nixon operatives could have done with all of today's sophistication. No more bungling burglars rifling file cabinets or simply planting bugs here & there.

I'm sure there will be many many hacking incidents to come. If only someone would hit O'Reilly's computer - put out an advance on his next in the series of scribblings about "Killing Someone".


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Marshall, I went to the story for the same reason to see if there was actually something tangible to discuss and you see what I came away with. Not far from your assessment at all. Nik has become HT's resident "Boy Who Cried Wolf" and making up stories doesn't add to her credibility.

Next, if history repeats itself as usual, we will hear from her resident peanut gallery telling us how we are attacking her and/or conservatives, yada yada... The problem is this is supposed to be a discussion board but there isn't much of substance to discuss on this thread except the usual...fauxrage.

Chase said it best...I'm so done the game playing.....


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I think my computer was infiltrated. I think it was my dogs. Nobody can tell you're a dog on the internet.


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I think my computer was infiltrated. I think it was my dogs. Nobody can tell you're a dog on the internet.

JZ, better start a thread about these new, notorious canine conspirators. We should be scared...very very scared. I am going to interrogate mine, just in case. One can't be too careful. I wonder if the cats are part of the consipracy too.

I heard that IAMS hired a crack team of security experts to ward off this new "breed" of hackers. :)


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LOL! I consider myself lucky then being forced into a no-pet situation. However, there are 3-4 neighborhood cats roaming freely, some even walking through the house if a leave front and back doors open. Now I have to worry about infiltrating felines of the fiendish fetish.


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the federal government has not been accused in the intrusion of Attkisson's computer

Nik is slipping lately.

It should have been obvious to her that there is a hacking team of undocumented immigrants attempting to see what the major news outlets are thinking regarding immigration reform.

Benghazi is so last month. It's time to demonize immigrants again!


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Benghazi is so last month. It's time to demonize immigrants again!

Rut roh. It is all becoming clearer now. Could it be we are seeing a new form of espionage? They sure are clever. They have now recruited our pets.

Gotta go now and warn my friend...she has a Russian wolfhound AND a Persian cat!! She's screwed.

Be afraid...very very afraid.


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Curiouser & curiouser in the slithy toves!


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They like to play online poker too.


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They like to play online poker too.

Kewl. Just imagine what they could do if they had opposable thumbs.


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Well, darn, that explains it. All these years, 18 to be exact, we all thought our cat was just plain "weird". She was always sitting on the computer desk, snuggling up to the screen and finally figured out the "on" button and would turn the computer on by herself.
Then she'd proceed to sleep on the keyboard. She'd even hiss at us when we picked her up to move her so we could use the computer.

Then, when we got a laptop, well she "found a new love". Yup sitting on the keys, found that turn on button on this too, and loved to snuggle up to the screen.
When we turned it off, closed it down, well she'd sleep on top of the computer.
She loved that laptop so much she literally took her last breath sleeping on it, peacefully passing away at a ripe old age of 18 on her beloved laptop computer.

Now you guys tell us that our "beloved cat", that we thought was weird, may have actually infiltrated our computer and was playing around with espionage right under our noses? and we didn't know anything about it?
Never even suspected a thing.

who would have thought that "they" would be able to recruit or beloved pets to turn against us and do it so well that we just thought they were weird and being a pain.

What will they think of next? ESP with caged guinea pigs, or ferrets?

Could that be why my neighbor had a chipmunk jump right up and in her front door last week? They go them too.

Tis really getting scary now, our pets are turning against us.

Could this be something like a real "Planet of the Apes" type thing beginning?


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There must be doggie and kittie porn sites out there... I'd check my credit cards, just in case. ;-)


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There is a famous (well, to me) autobiography written by a cat. I was written in Germany many years ago.


"Tomcat Murr is a loveable, self-taught animal who has written his own autobiography. But a printer's error causes his story to be accidentally mixed and spliced with a book about the composer Johannes Kreisler."

Basically, the cat is at times a parody of Goethe. And the composer is really ETA Hoffmann who had a cat named 'Murr'


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Littleone, your keyboard loving cat might have been in cahoots with my four felines. The dogs are not clever enough to come up with all little tricks the cats think up. I thought it was cute when my little Phoebe innocently sits on my lap gazing benevolently up at me while I'm on the desktop, but now I'm guessing when I get up for a snack , she goes into action. I'd better look for kitty porn in my bookmark's. Henry is always laying on the keyboard.


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Dogs are capable of being devious... they're just a little more transparent than cats, I think.

A dog will still knock over and destroy a garbage can containing his or her favorite smells, but they have a little bit harder of a time denying any part in such escapades. Their loyalty gets the better of them, perhaps?

Cats are a little more independent and sneaky, able to deny any knowledge.

;-)


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"what do you think or feel Nik?"

I think that whatever is on Attkisson's computers is of ongoing interest to a very sophisticated entity.

I want to know who it is. Don't you?


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I sure hope that whoever did this dastardly deed did leave a clue rather than a conspiracy. We must defend the Fourth Amendment with as much rigor as the Second Amendment. Right? Of course that implies that this is government going after a member of the media rather than corporate or private or foreign interests. Another Watergate burglary?


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Jodi... I agree...Dogs are too transparent, but cats are devious, sneaky, independent creatures which make them perfect spys. And they're good at retaliation when their bowls aren't filled to the top always. Be afraid of them, be very afraid.


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Actually, Lily, I'm allergic... very allergic! ;-)

Some cat dander causes me to break out in hives, have awful attacks of asthma, and exhibit all the major symptoms of a bad allergic reaction. I would have an indoor cat if not for the allergy.

Oddly enough, I have had indoor cats before. It just depends on the individual cat. Some cats do not cause any reactions, while others cause severe symptoms. I even had a Persian cat at one time, named Spaz. He was a giant hairball with the face of an animal that chased parked cars, if you know what I mean! He was awesome, and he slept next to my head on the same pillow. I never sneezed once.

There is no rhyme or reason, or specific breed of cat I will end up allergic to. Some bother me, and others do not.

We have a nice small family of barn cats that work at rodent patrol, and I am slightly allergic to the Tortie female, Vixen. But she's an asset, working hard at mousing, so I just pet her and play with her, and then wash my hands.

I like that they're independent, hard workers, and they are nice to have around. We couldn't have one indoors, anyway... I rather think my dog would only like a cat as a chew toy! They would have to be heavily socialized before trusting them in the space together.

At some point, we'll probably find a cat that doesn't bother my allergies, and it will become part of the immediate family, but for now I enjoy watching the few we have outdoors play and hunt, and in winter they have the heated garage and attached kennel to be comfortable in, with their own little space carved out, crates and pillows, dishes and toys... yes, our barn cats are spoiled!

Marshallz, it seems as though there's a need to defend all of our rights and freedoms, those which haven't been pinched, with a little more vigor these days. The overreach and corruption of power and authority becomes more of an issue as time passes. Our privacy becomes less, and authority's hand reaches further.

I sincerely hope that media and journalists are not being targeted by our government or one of their agencies to be spied on, and hope it's nothing more than the cat looking for a website that ships fresh fish C.O.D.!

However, given current technology and what we already know about the ways in which certain agencies operate, I would not put it past one of those agencies to sneak a peek or listen in on what media is doing. Without solid proof of a source, though, it could be anyone trying to gain access to media computers and information.

I have no doubt that intrusion does happen... there are hackers both independent and in groups, working on their own or for someone else, out of curiosity or for a paycheck, operating all over the globe. Corporate espionage is possible, too. The idea, though, is to get in and get out without being noticed, without leaving any trace that you were there.



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I want to know who it is. Don't you?

Maybe Rupert Murdoch. I think he's got some free time right about now.


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Maybe Rupert Murdoch. I think he's got some free time right about now

He's occupied right now divorcing his 3rd wife Wendy Deng. The last wife got $1+ billion. I can only imagine what he will have to pay this one to keep her mouth shut.


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Nik.....there are several answers (speculation) to your question.
I will not be surprised if it is the Justice D since she was
digging around in Benghazi cover-up.
Could also be the JD....then again it could be the JD.
Holder has let his power become the judge and jury and he seems to have no one with a voice of reason to intercept his constant gestapo tactics.
Stay tuned Nik......dogs nor cats are invading and profiling.

Just my opinion.


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Wow nik, looks like fear du jour to me. Don't know why though. One more scandal for this administration wouldn't even be noticed.


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It is noticed mrsk....but it will continue. The Chicago Mafia
went to the WH and they each and all make their rules
as they go.
I have tuned it out(to a great extent)and just pray for common sense to be elected next time around.

It seems this administration is lacking in that and a moral
compass .


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It's gonna be funny if it turns out to be one of her kids or something.


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Or the GOP ... ;)


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I think "the common sense to be elected next time around" will be Hillary Clinton. Let's get a jump start and start slinging the garbage now.


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You asked for it lily. Benghazi will remain an albatross around her neck until the questions are answered. And answers as to why the investigation of Ambassador Gutman on charges of soliciting minors for prostitution was dropped. Just a couple of items.


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there are several answers (speculation) to your question.

... a kid in Wuxi.

... a kid in Fujian.

... a kid in Helsinksi.

... a kid with LulzSec.

... a kid with Anonymous.

... the janitor or night cleaning crew.


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Benghazi will remain an albatross around her neck until the questions are answered.

Will it matter? It's not like the Republicans or Independents-that-used-to-be-Republicans were going to vote for her anyway.


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The Chicago Mafia
went to the WH and they each and all make their rules
as they go.

And of course CW knows this simply because Obama is from Chicago.

I guess "guilt by association", guilt being that Obama is from Chicago, automatically makes him a member of the so called "Chicago Mafia".

Does that mean that being a member of the GOP automatically makes you a TeaParty member, a right wing Evangelical, etc? You know, that guilt by association bit?
Or does that only work if you are President Obama and his administration?

Benghazi "will remain an albatross" for one reason and one reason only; The GOP will attempt to make it one because they have nothing else to fling at Hillary Clinton, if she decides to run. They will do anything and everything to try and win the White House the next time around.
They didn't succeed the last 2 times, the couldn't deal with a third loss.

Watch the mud flinging from the GOP and their Pac supporters come 2016.

I predict the dirtiest campaign any of us have ever seen with the majority being flung from the right.


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Wow nik, looks like fear du jour to me.

You are a one note song Mrsk. Everytime few buy into all of these manufactured odj's you and your friends cry "scared", "fear", etc. and then of course, victim.

... a kid in Wuxi. ... a kid in Fujian. ... a kid in Helsinksi...
... the janitor or night cleaning crew.

Doncha know that no one else has ever hacked into computers before this.*wink wink* You're throwing a wrench into the favorite scenario..You're a party pooper inserting .other realities instead of letting them enjoy their speculations and fantasies.


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Hmm Yeah I'd like to know who it is also NIK.

I would have also liked your feedback on the ACLU's suit post. Ah well too bad
Curiouser & curiouser is the selectivity of truth seekers who often appear to be only carrying hammers & nails hoping for a good crucifixion.


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"Does that mean that being a member of the GOP automatically makes you a TeaParty member, a right wing Evangelical, etc? You know, that guilt by association bit?"

Yer killin' me. Hey! You tell us. This is good, too:

"I predict the dirtiest campaign any of us have ever seen with the majority being flung from the right."

Not if you stay true to form.

My remarks are OT; I'm taking my lead from you, my dear. One good turn deserves another, you know.

You have a good night with your happy thoughts, now.


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These are bad here in the wet season...seen any around your neck of the woods?


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"Stay tuned Nik......"

You, too.

"I would have also liked your feedback on the ACLU's suit post."

Sorry...I'm not sure what you're talking about. Are you referring to a thread, or an individual post on a thread? If you are asking about the ACLU suit over government snooping, I'm all for it.


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Yes it was a thread Piece by piece.

Here is a link that might be useful: bits & pieces


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Labrea,

When I learned the ACLU was taking the NSA to court, it made my day. I watched an unelected bureaucrat lie to one of our electeds, and get away with it. Unacceptable.


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  • Posted by vgkg 7-Va Tidewater (My Page) on
    Tue, Jun 18, 13 at 9:34

If Benghazi is still the talking point against Hillary by 2016 then the GOP will still be a laughing stock. The only thing the GOP will be running on is a tread mill.


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Eleven hours vgkg...where was the president, who gave the order to stand down, whose idea was it to push the video. All unanswered questions for four Americans who are still dead...Hillary may have said, "who cares", but 62% of the American people want those answers.


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I'm filing that one in the folder with 9-11 being planned demolition.


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  • Posted by vgkg 7-Va Tidewater (My Page) on
    Tue, Jun 18, 13 at 10:00

Mrskjun, the repubs don't want answers, they live for the questions which are keeping them afloat. Remember Somalia? Few did after about a year or so. The repubs have over 3 years to destroy Hillary with new & improved tactics yet to come, they know that Benghazi is rapidly becoming stale toast as will the IRS & AP BS. The same amnesia that's making "W" look better will also work in Hillary's favor in time. The desperate repubs fight to connect Obama's re-election to a Benghazi cover up has passed.


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As others have pointed out, the FOX watchers who continue to talk about Benghazi aren't going to vote for Hillary anyway.

May 13, 2013

Voters trust Clinton over GOP on Benghazi

PPP's newest national poll finds that Republicans aren't getting much traction with their focus on Benghazi over the last week. Voters trust Hillary Clinton over Congressional Republicans on the issue of Benghazi by a 49/39 margin and Clinton's +8 net favorability rating at 52/44 is identical to what it was on our last national poll in late March. Meanwhile Congressional Republicans remain very unpopular with a 36/57 favorability rating.

Voters think Congress should be more focused on other major issues right now rather than Benghazi. By a 56/38 margin they say passing a comprehensive immigration reform bill is more important than continuing to focus on Benghazi, and by a 52/43 spread they think passing a bill requiring background checks for all gun sales should be a higher priority.

While voters overall may think Congress' focus should be elsewhere there's no doubt about how mad Republicans are about Benghazi. 41% say they consider this to be the biggest political scandal in American history to only 43% who disagree with that sentiment. Only 10% of Democrats and 20% of independents share that feeling. Republicans think by a 74/19 margin than Benghazi is a worse political scandal than Watergate, by a 74/12 margin that it's worse than Teapot Dome, and by a 70/20 margin that it's worse than Iran Contra.

One interesting thing about the voters who think Benghazi is the biggest political scandal in American history is that 39% of them don't actually know where it is. 10% think it's in Egypt, 9% in Iran, 6% in Cuba, 5% in Syria, 4% in Iraq, and 1% each in North Korea and Liberia with 4% not willing to venture a guess.

At any rate what we're finding about last week's Benghazi focus so far is that Republicans couldn't be much madder about it, voters overall think Congress should be focused on other key issues, and Hillary Clinton's poll numbers aren't declining on account of it.

end quote

There are other polls out there that show that a 20% majority of those asked think that Benghazi is just politics.

Here is a link that might be useful: link


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"Eleven hours vgkg...where was the president, who gave the order to stand down, whose idea was it to push the video."

It's a secret!

Besides, what difference does it make?

How many times does the administration have to tell you, MRSK??? If that guy hadn't made that video, we wouldn't be having this conversation.

Now go away and stop trying to be a grown up woman who can think for herself.


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  • Posted by vgkg 7-Va Tidewater (My Page) on
    Tue, Jun 18, 13 at 10:25

David, you left out the 6% of repubs who think Benghazi is this guy:


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At the risk of sounding insensitive towards my American friends, particularly those who will not move on from the Benghazi episode...

Four Americans were killed in Libya (Benghazi). Sad for their families.

In the US invasion of Iraq, estimates of the number of Iraqis slaughtered range from 100,000 through to more than 1,000,000. They have families too.

Why is the GOP not demanding answers on this genocide performed in the name of a "righteous" war? Because those murdered were not Americans? Because that war was perpetrated and perpetuated by the same GOP, thus making it okay? Collateral damage and all that.

You (generically) should be marching in the streets, protesting at the injustice of those deaths, yet choose instead to complain long and loud about the murder of four US diplomats/spies in another foreign land. And it's not as if it were a unique occurrence...

"According to CNN, between 1998 and 2011, U.S. diplomatic sites were subjected to 13 deadly attacks in Nairobi, Kenya; Calcutta, India; Lima,Peru; Karachi, Pakistan; Bali, Indonesia; Karachi, Pakistan; Jeddah, Saudi Arabia; Damascus, Syria; Athens, Greece; Istanbul, Turkey; Yemen; and Peshawar, Pakistan. One of these incidents occurred during the presidency of Bill Clinton, and 11 occurred during George W. Bush's presidency. The 2012 Benghazi attack was the second deadly assault on a U.S. diplomatic facility that occurred during President Obama's first term."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_Benghazi_attack

Why didn't GWB and his team stop all those attacks when they were in power?

I may be wrong, but I'm getting the distinct feeling that all the Benghazi talk is a smokescreen to hide the real purpose of the GOP's indignation of having Barack Obama in the White House...again.

Here is a link that might be useful: Iraqi Deaths

This post was edited by shaxhome on Wed, Jun 19, 13 at 12:15


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Thank you, shaxhome, for outlining perfectly what many of us believe.


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  • Posted by vgkg 7-Va Tidewater (My Page) on
    Wed, Jun 19, 13 at 8:54

You are not wrong Shax. It's all just a GOP game to regain power, a game that has no rules. As for Iraq, we Americans shun shame and believe that war crimes are only reserved for the losers. For many here shame is just a sign of weakness not realizing that shamelessness is one of the biggest flaws of the soul.


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In the US invasion of Iraq, estimates of the number of Iraqis slaughtered range from 100,000 through to more than 1,000,000.

The fact that the outrage against President Obama and Secretary Clinton selectively ignores the slaughter in Iraq -- and the lies that brought that slaughter -- tells me all I need to know about the values of those insisting that crimes were committed by the administration re Benghazi.


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"The fact that the outrage against President Obama and Secretary Clinton selectively ignores the slaughter in Iraq -- and the lies that brought that slaughter -- tells me all I need to know about the values of those insisting that crimes were committed by the administration re Benghazi"

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It is apparent that the purpose of this thread has become passing judgment on the values of posters with which one disagrees.

This post was edited by demifloyd on Wed, Jun 19, 13 at 10:05


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It's called selective memory demi. They choose to forget that the "lie" started with Clinton. That the invasion of Iraq had the backing of the Democratic party as well.

Why the Democratic Party is backing Bush’s war drive vs. Iraq

By Patrick Martin
11 October 2002

The Democratic Party is moving to provide a comfortable margin of votes to pass resolutions in the House of Representatives and the Senate authorizing an imminent US invasion of Iraq. The House voted Thursday to give Bush the power to wage war, a week after an agreement between Bush and House Democratic leader Richard Gephardt on the language of the resolution.

A series of top Senate Democrats have endorsed the resolution, including Majority Whip Harry Reid, Foreign Relations Committee Chairman Joseph Biden, and John Kerry of Massachusetts, a prospective presidential candidate and one-time leader of veterans’ protests against the Vietnam War. It is expected that less than a quarter of the Senate will vote against a resolution to authorize Bush to launch a unilateral war of aggression.


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This gets funnier and funnier. Strange bedfellows indeed. Mrsk's article is from the World Socialists Website.

In this case it is called selective memory cutting and pasting...along with selective memory and selective outrage. Lots of selectives!

Once again you selectively decided to not link the entire article. After reading it I see why. Perhaps it is because the entire article paints both parties badly and points out how Bush changed the game regarding out rights and also points out how Gore stated so back then (before your selective support of his words) but it is nothing less than disingenuous to not post it in its entirity so everyone can read it in context..

The very next paragraph begins...

The war resolution’s text is an amalgam of the lies and distortions issued by the Bush administration to justify its long-sought goal of invading Iraq and overthrowing Saddam Hussein, including repeated mentions of the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks, although there is no evidence connecting Baghdad and the suicide hijackings.

The gist of the resolution is a blank check for Bush to use military force against Iraq: “The president is authorized to use the Armed Forces of the United States as he determines to be necessary and appropriate in order to (1) defend the national security of the United States against the continuing threat posed by Iraq; and (2) enforce all relevant United Nations Security Council Resolutions regarding Iraq.”

For the first time in US history, the president would be authorized to launch a war preemptively against a country that had not attacked the United States first and has no ability to threaten or even reach the US militarily. This war is to be waged on the pretext of enforcing UN Security Council resolutions, even if the UN Security Council majority opposes such military action.

In statements defending the resolution, Gephardt embraced the “big lie” of the White House, that the September 11 terrorist attacks make it a matter of self defense for the United States to invade Iraq, in order to prevent further terrorist attacks using weapons of mass destruction.

“Everything changed with 9-11,” Gephardt declared. “If you’re worried about where terrorists will get these weapons, the first place you’d be concerned about is Iraq.”
Effectively admitting that there is no evidence that the Iraqi regime has either the ability or the intention to use such weapons against the United States, Gephardt said, “There’s no smoking gun, and you’re not going to have one. Your standard of proof has to go down, because you’re living in a world of terrorism. We have to prevent a weapon of mass destruction being detonated in the United States. We have to do everything possible to prevent that.”

Such arguments do not make sense even in their own terms. If the greatest danger facing the American people is the possibility of a terrorist attack inside the United States using nuclear, chemical or biological weapons, nothing is more likely to produce such an outcome than a foreign policy based on the principle that the United States has the unilateral right to invade any country in the world it chooses.

The Bush-Gephardt doctrine, by authorizing a one-sided US slaughter of the people of Iraq and, by implication, any other country targeted by the White House and Pentagon, makes terrorist retaliation and the slaughter of innocent Americans even more likely.

It goes on...

Gore’s critique of the Bush doctrine

It is little more than two weeks since the Democratic presidential candidate in 2000, former vice president Al Gore, delivered a blistering critique of the Bush administration’s war policy in a speech in San Francisco. It is worth recalling the speech today, since it reads as an indictment, not only of the Bush White House, but of the Democratic congressional leadership.

The bulk of Gore’s September 23 speech was devoted to the implications of Bush’s doctrine of launching unilateral, first-strike military action against Iraq. The former vice president’s attack was couched in a right-wing, pro-imperialist framework, warning that the drive to war with Iraq would disrupt the international support necessary to wage a successful war against terrorist groups like Al Qaeda. Gore made no mention of the overriding motivation for the war: the desire to seize control of Iraq’s oil resources, the second largest in the world. But the points he made were nonetheless telling.

Recalling that he had been among the minority of Senate Democrats who voted for the first Persian Gulf War, Gore noted that in 1991, Iraq had crossed an international border to attack to Kuwait, but in 2002, the US government was proposing to cross an international border to attack Iraq. Opposition to such a move had already become a powerful factor internationally, he said, pointing to the results of the German election campaign, in which the Schröder government overcame a significant deficit in the polls by appealing to antiwar sentiment.

Gore made an extraordinary admission for an American politician, pointing to the “great anxiety all around the world, not primarily about what the terrorist networks are going to do, but about what we’re going to do.” He then went on to outline the longer-term consequences of the doctrine of preemption.

“To begin with, the doctrine is presented in open-ended terms, which means that if Iraq is the first point of application it is not necessarily the last. In fact, the very logic of the concept suggests a string of military engagements against a succession of sovereign states��"Syria, Libya, North Korea, Iran��"none of them very popular in the United States, of course, but the implication is that wherever the combination exists of an interest in weapons of mass destruction, together with an ongoing role as host to or participant in terrorist operations, the doctrine will apply.

“It also means that if the Congress approves the Iraq resolution just proposed by the administration, it would be simultaneously creating the precedent for preemptive action anywhere...”

Gore also touched on the domestic consequences of the Bush war drive, noting that the administration has sought to deprive federal workers in the new Department of Homeland Security of civil service protection and trade union rights, “in a manner calculated to please the portion of its base that occupies the far right.”

Even more dangerous, he said, was the administration’s broader attack on democratic rights. “The idea that an American citizen can be imprisoned without recourse to judicial process or remedies, and that this can be done on the say-so of the President or those acting in his name, is beyond the pale,” he said.

Without referring to it by name, Gore denounced the national security strategy document released by the White House earlier in the month, saying that it was “important to note the consequences of an emerging national strategy that not only celebrates American strength, but actually appears to glorify the notion of dominance. The word itself has been used in the counsels of the administration.”
He concluded, “What this doctrine does is to destroy the goal of a world in which states consider themselves subject to law, particularly in the matter of standards for the use of violence against each other. That concept would be displaced by the notion that there is no law but the discretion of the President of the United States.”

The response on the part of the Bush administration, congressional Republicans and the bulk of the media was to portray Gore��"who received more than 50 million votes for president in 2000, winning the popular vote over Bush��"as a virtual traitor who was undermining national unity and presidential authority in wartime. Congressional Democrats reacted to this major pronouncement by the titular leader of their party with a combination of indifference to the substance of Gore’s criticism and fear that the speech would cost them votes in the November 5 election.

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Here is a link that might be useful: The entire article


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Once again you selectively decided to not link the entire article

She's taking a page from Darrell Issa's playbook.


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She's taking a page from Darrell Issa's playbook.

She learned well or perhaps as I stated above it is because it comes from the World Socialist Wesbsite. :) or perhaps because the entire article points out how the man "she would vote for again" is the person that began to erode our rights and privacy, that she loves to paint Obama with. Mrs seems to be the Queen of Selective.

Strange bedfellows indeed. It just gets more bizarre by the minute.

This post was edited by epiphyticlvr on Wed, Jun 19, 13 at 13:48


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Once again you selectively decided to not link the entire article

Che sorpresa!

Same with the often rebutted posting of President Clinton's assertion regarding Iraq's WMD -- desperately trying to make an equivalency of Clinton's and Bush's stands on Iraq -- and conveniently ignoring that Clinton's statement was made before a bombing campaign to eliminate Iraqi sites thought to have been connected to weapon development.

Strange bedfellows indeed. Mrsk's article is from the World Socialists Website.

She's learning from brushworks. He rants against unions and collective action, and then links to the WSWS to criticize President Obama. Too funny!


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OMG...are you saying that website is not acceptable to you? Can I go back to websites like The Daily Standard? You just have to make up your minds! I originally thought that said, Obama website.


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I originally thought that said, Obama website.

You don't really expect us to believe that comment, do you?

If you where trying to funny, it didn't work.


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OMG...are you saying that website is not acceptable to you? Can I go back to websites like The Daily Standard?

Honestly, mrsk, with your track record, you should just stick to the New York Times.


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To be clear, the federal government has not been accused in the intrusion of Attkisson's computer

Enough said


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"It is apparent that the purpose of this thread has become passing judgment on the values of posters with which one disagrees."

I thought it was newsworthy that a CBS reporter's computers had repeatedly been remotely accessed by an unknown, very sophisticated snoop or snoops. I still want to know who is behind it. Did you see any of the interviews with her? She says she thinks she knows who is behind the snooping, but the investigation is ongoing for now.

Can you imagine how creepy it would be to have your computer turn itself on in the middle of the night? And then to find out some coward has electronically slithered into your computer and has been snooping through your stuff?

I hope we'll get another update soon, telling us who did this to her. And what legal action she and/or CBS plan to take.


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And then to find out some coward has electronically slithered into your computer and has been snooping through your stuff?

Better tell our out-sourced spies for hire because that's what they're doing all over the planet -- in the interest of national security.

So Stuxnet was cowardly in Nik's opinion (besides the probability of being illegal).


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OMG...are you saying that website is not acceptable to you? Can I go back to websites like The Daily Standard? You just have to make up your minds! I originally thought that said, Obama website.

This thread, like many others before, has devolved into nonsense with posts like that. How old are you?

Mrs tried to use whatever she could get away with to substantiate her claims but she was caught and instead of actually discussing it she went to where she knows best.

You are welcome to use any source you want but don't be surprised when the irony is noted and commented on. Your posts don't stand alone. Also don't be surprised when your cherry picking is also noted since the rest of your own article wasn't very complimentary to your beloved GWB and clearly showed where the predicament we find ourselves in today began. It also showed clearly that Al Gore, who you spent countless threads maligning, was speaking out against GWB's policies from the start, another point others tried to make to you on another thread that you convienently ignored as part of your own selective outrage and memory. JZ is right, you would be better served using other sources that you haven't slandered in the past rather than looking like a hypocrite.

Now we can add selective comprehension and selective distortion and selective truth to the Queen of Selective's long list of selective attributes unless of course she is really that obtuse. Based on the statements above it is hard to tell.

A real discussion is impossible with the likes of posts above. This board should be retitled "Absurd Discussions". No comment about about the rest of the story she deliberately omitted linking to from her selective cut and paste that states what many have said for years. Just a short bit trying to put the onus on a few and not where it really belongs or in context. Just more of the usual nonsense to try to turn and/or derail a thread and a sad attempt at trying to get herself out of the corner she backed herself into.

There will never be an intelligent discussion about important issues with behavior like this. Some simply aren't capable of it.

The government is broken, both sides of the aisle and in-between, but with game playing like we have witnessed here it will never change nor will the ability to have intelligent discussions on HT.


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Epi, perfectly stated. agree 100%


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Maligning Al Gore? You mean just because he said, "In digital era, privacy must be a priority. Is it just me, or is secret blanket surveillance obscenely outrageous?"?


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Maligning Al Gore? You mean just because he said, "In digital era, privacy must be a priority. Is it just me, or is secret blanket surveillance obscenely outrageous?"

Just more asinine game playing.

Anyone can read your former opinion(s) of Gore here on HT, long before your (selective) championing him of late.

Once again, you displayed an example of what I was referring to above. You just continue to demonstrate how incapable you are of having any kind of intelligent, mature dialogue and your posts just show that you are clearly, in a word, disingenuous.


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The problem is that there are no nuances in your thinking, mrsk. If Obama found a way to cure cancer, you would find a reason to take away the accomplishment from him. If one of your tea creatures did something wrong, you would never be able to admit it. Most of us don't operate that way. Most of us will concede when one of "our own" has done something bad or stupid and we will compliment the opposition if they do something good. (Like me being impressed with Jan Brewer for standing her ground on the Medicaid expansion - I am not a fan of hers but I will not deny that she did something good. See? Nuance.)


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LOL jz, there is no nuance on this forum. I was away for a few days and when I returned home and logged on to the forum, the first thread I opened was this one by nik. The first 27 posts were liberals acting like little children who had been told Santa might not be real.

Obama might take the credit for curing cancer, but if he failed he would blame Bush.

epi, I can certainly have a mature and intelligent conversation with mature and intelligent people. Why don't you go back and read the first 27 posts to niks OP.


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The first 27 posts were liberals acting like little children who had been told Santa might not be real.

You must be very depressed that none of the odj's are bearing any fruit. In addition, your beloved republican party has become a joke. Issa was told not to be heavyhanded by his fellow republicans and yet he went there. The house is making all kinds of noises about the immigration bill and Boehner had to be shut up by fellow republicans. The house just passed an abortion bill that is unconstitutional and then they say they are not waging a war against women.

If you are depressed, I totally understand.


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I was away for a few days and when I returned home and logged on to the forum, the first thread I opened was this one by nik. The first 27 posts were liberals acting like little children who had been told Santa might not be real.

So you decided to come on and post something misleading?

What you saw was the reaction when people get tired of all the "Chicken Little" threads and decided to reply with humor instead of anger. Don't try to justify your own disingenuous posts with that.

epi, I can certainly have a mature and intelligent conversation with mature and intelligent people.

Well, if that is true then show it and put your money where your mouth is. So far you haven't shown that capability on this or other recent threads so I won't just take your word for it. I would love to be proven wrong Mrsk but all one has to do is peruse HT to see the truth. You try to justify everything by trying to blame others or finding some excuse (see your latest above).

There's no excuse for cherry picking a story from a source you have maligned for years. You clearly didn't want to expose the source or the entire story, just what you wanted, hence no link, for your own self-serving purpose, and basically ignored all the facts in that very article. Then you try to back yourself out of the corner you put yourself in. You are only fooling yourself if you think no one sees what you try to do, or that anyone thinks you have credibility left. You have tried to label the president a socialist (amongst other things) for years, and here you are trying to cherry pick information from a socialist website and doing so in a sneaky way as if you actually thought no one would notice. Now you are trying to tell us you did all that just because others were having fun upthread with another odj. This gets more convoluted as we go along.


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"Better tell our out-sourced spies for hire because that's what they're doing all over the planet -- in the interest of national security."

What do US government spies have to do with Sharyl Attkisson's CBS and home computers?

"So Stuxnet was cowardly in Nik's opinion (besides the probability of being illegal)."

Nancy,

I don't presume to tell others what you think.

Please extend that same courtesy to me.


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Meow epi...getting kind of catty there aren't we? Should I be mature like you? nahh


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Silly projection and just a continuation of your juvenile games and vindictive behavior and in this case, glaringly ironic Mrsk. You continue to be your own worst enemy.

My post was just an accurate description of what you have displayed in your posts on this thread and others including your spiteful retort to Chase on the other thread. Seemingly outlandish behavior for an adult who claims they can be mature. Actions speak louder than words and so far your actions don't match your claim.

You may not care what I think but you should care about your credibility and your own reputation. I am not the only one who reads these threads.


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Hit a nerve, mrskjun. ;)


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Hit a nerve, mrskjun. ;)

No, not at all. Don't try to read something into my words that simply isn't there just to try to continue to stir the pot.. :)


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That's right demi..leave the pot stirring to the professionals, they actually prefer one conservative at a time as you can see from most of the beginning of this thread.


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leave the pot stirring to the professional

And you are the queen.


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And you are the queen.

Based on the number of threads she has managed to derail in the last few days alone it seems so.


It is no longer surprising and sadly expected and unfortunately allowed to continue.


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Posted by duluthinbloomz4 zone 4a (My Page) on Sat, Jun 15, 13 at 18:04

"Just think of what Nixon operatives could have done with all of today's sophistication. No more bungling burglars rifling file cabinets or simply planting bugs here & there."

I'm sure wherever Nixon is, he's real jealous of how easily 'Teflon' BO gets away with everything.

Hey Nik - how about this:
Benjamin J. Rhodes, a 35-year-old deputy national security adviser with a reputation around the White House as the man who channels Mr. Obama on foreign policy (taken from a NYT article), was involved in the evolving Benghazi talking points being shaped by the Obama administration last September and is none other than the brother of David Rhodes who happens to be Sharyl Attkisson’s boss, the president of CBS News.

May be nothing, but it sure is interesting.


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I love a good coincidentical [tm] conspiracy theory!


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LOL, marshallz. I think I like connect-the-dots better. Though, I will admit that when I saw that the Jesse Ventura 'lizard people' episode was coming on, I had to watch it. It was hysterical. What some people believe is really quite incredible.


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Hmmmm.


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"Hey Nik - how about this:
Benjamin J. Rhodes, a 35-year-old deputy national security adviser with a reputation around the White House as the man who channels Mr. Obama on foreign policy (taken from a NYT article), was involved in the evolving Benghazi talking points being shaped by the Obama administration last September and is none other than the brother of David Rhodes who happens to be Sharyl Attkisson’s boss, the president of CBS News."

CBS confirms somebody has been snooping in her computers and took steps to avoid detection.

Attkisson thinks she knows who, but is waiting for the investigation to be completed.

I think the snoop messed with the wrong reporter. Looking forward to an update, aren't you?


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"For some time I had suspected Reginald of wrong-doings...now I believe my own life to be in danger."

Epi's a genius, and right on point with respect to the OP. Now which cat is Reginald?


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