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Welfare Queen

Posted by maggie2094 (My Page) on
Sun, Jul 22, 12 at 9:45

America's biggest welfare queen is Walmart.

After it was reported that the heirs of Walmart were worth the same amount as the bottom 40 percent of Americans, you probably thought there couldnt possibly be anymore reasons to hate the colossal seller of crappy merchandise. Paying its Chinese workers a nickel-an-hour to make more Snuggies and making its octogenarian greeters stand for hours in order to say hello to shoppers who belch and fart in their direction is really appalling, but that it reaps the biggest benefits from the food stamp program the evil socialist program that dares to allow working families to eat something other than discarded paint chips, and the very program that Republicans smear and want to destroy truly ups the ante.

Walmart receives between 25 and 40 percent of all food stamp spending. Of course Walmarts slave wages force all of its employees to depend heavily on $2.66 billion in government help every year. The company that brought in $448 billion in sales last year, the super concrete-laden seller of brightly colored crap, gobbles up food stamps faster than land. Walmarts ridiculously low wages and deliberate underemployment keep their workers just rich enough to not be living in a dumpster co-op, but poor enough to be eligible for food stamps. Seeing as Walmart is the reason why countless Americans go on Food Stamps in the first place, one could say this is a low-cost orgy of irony.

Heres a closer look at how your favorite seller of lawn bag potato chips is blatantly exploiting tax-payer funded programs:

Walmarts intentionally low wages force employees to need approximately $420,000 per year, per store, totalling $2.66 BILLION annually in food stamps and other taxpayer assistance to survive.

Walmarts intentionally low wages cost the country HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS of dollars in payroll tax deductions for Federal, State, and Local taxes.

Walmarts intentionally low wages cost our communities the ability to hire and retain important public service workers like firefighters, police officers, maintenance workers, and teachers.

Walmarts intentionally low wages cost our communities with their increased need for those same public services they are underfunding.

Walmarts intentionally low wages and lack of covered benefits cost taxpayers over $1.02 BILLION a year in healthcare costs.

Walmarts intentionally low wages cost taxpayers as much as $225 MILLION in free and reduced price lunches for school-age children.

Walmarts intentionally low wages cost taxpayers over $780 MILLION in tax deductions for low-income families.

Thats right Walmart pays its employees dirt, reaps enormous profits, forces its employees to enroll in social programs like food stamps, and then profits even further as its employees and all the other Americans still recovering from the economic abortion caused by the Walmarts of the world spend their food stamps. But why bother introducing legislation that seeks to impose severe fines on multibillion dollar corporations who line their pockets at the expense of taxpayers by refusing to pay their employees fair wages when its just so much easier to kill the poor. (Michael Hayne)

Of course I am so sure it is our fault for wanting the $19.89 DVR that is programmed to fail in a month! We always go back to Walfart because they are ground zero for the systemic shift in our economy from a manufacture base to a retail base...the company that sent their suppliers to China on a road paved with desperation. They spawned a generation of working poor that are their best customer. Walmart is the world's largest employer...don't we remember the days when the company you worked for was successful that meant you were successful?

Here is a link that might be useful: link


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RE: Welfare Queen

Walmart has low prices for a reason.

Poor people couldn't afford to shop at Walmart if you ran their business.

Good thing they don't want your help.

Walmart isn't a welfare queen, but they do sell goods to welfare queens.


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So demi you find no correlation between the low wages that Walmart pays it's employees and the need by it's employees to rely on taxpayer assistance?

If she could figure out how to live in her car, Janet Sparks would.

The 52-year-old makes $11.60 an hour as a front-of-the-store manager at a Louisiana Walmart and says she struggles to pay for basic necessities, let alone her $600-a-month rent.

Sparks belongs to a loosely knit association of Walmart employees called the Organization United for Respect at Walmart - OUR Walmart, for short. They are prodding the giant retailer to provide better wages, affordable benefits and reasonably reliable schedules for store employees nationwide. Their campaign comes not only at a time when many low-wage workers in the U.S. are struggling to make ends meet, but also as Walmart is rededicating itself to attracting price-conscious consumers like them - by holding down its expenses and guaranteeing the lowest prices.

In the two years since [the group was formed], Walmart has twice raised the number of hours that part-time employees need to qualify for health benefits. Wage caps begun about six years ago block raises for some longtime employees in the same jobs. And some workers say the company's work-scheduling system limits their hours below what they need to qualify for benefits and produces such widely varying schedules that it's difficult to take a second job to make ends meet.

Sparks says her schedule is "all over the clock." In a recent week, she worked two shifts on Saturday, from 12 p.m. to 4 p.m. and then 5 p.m. to 9 p.m. Sparks returned Sunday to work 5:30 a.m. to 2:30 p.m., and then Monday from 2 p.m. to 11 p.m. She had Tuesday off and returned to work Wednesday from 5 a.m. to 2 p.m., had another day off, and then worked another day of two four-hour shifts at her Baker, La., Walmart.

Sparks, who is considered full time, usually works 34-36 hours a week. She says the week described above was the first time in months she was scheduled to work 40 hours.

"Nobody can depend on what hours they're going to get," she says.

Walmart do all sorts of legal tricks like this to keep employees from qualifying for second jobs or even considering this one to be a full time job.

I'm sure they could just quit and get another job ....

Here is a link that might be useful: source


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RE: Welfare Queen

I think it's part of the system.

You pay people more, you can't offer the low prices.

There are always going to be people that cannot work or will not work. So, where are they going to shop if Walmart raises it's prices?

Don't you care about the poor?

They like to buy Christmas presents for their families, they like to buy new clothes now and then, they like to buy more groceries with their food budget, and Walmart allows them to do that.

No one is forced to buy from Walmart or to work at Walmart.

No one is forced to continue to work at Walmart, or stay in a Walmart job.

NO ONE.


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You go girl, took you all of 5 seconds so glad you put some thought into it.


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No, but the taxpayer, and we know there aren't many of them, is FORCED to subsidize those low wages through tax credits which results in having all those people who don't pay taxes.


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I agree that part of the reason Walmart can offer low prices is by maintaining low overhead, including payroll, but the bigger picture is low quality goods, low worker bee wages and minimal advertising, with the windfall of the huge profits going to a select few.


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No one forces the government to do anything.

If the government stayed out of it and didn't give people money through "earned income credits" they would realize they needed to do what it takes to get a better job, and the lowest paying Walmart jobs would be entry level jobs until people did better.

What do you want to do, FORCE Walmart to pay higher wages that was is already forced on them through minimum wage?

How much control do YOU think you should have over businesses and taxpayers?

Poor people have jobs and poor people have the opportunity to purchase more for their families because of Walmart.

If Walmart raised wages, they would raise prices and and/or reduce work force, or at least get better quality employees for the money they'd have to spend.

Life is a series of tradeoffs--and there is always a tradeoff.


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Posted by lavenderlver none (My Page) on
Sun, Jul 22, 12 at 10:26

I agree that part of the reason Walmart can offer low prices is by maintaining low overhead, including payroll, but the bigger picture is low quality goods, low worker bee wages and minimal advertising, with the windfall of the huge profits going to a select few.

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It's going to the people that put up the hard work and capital for Walmart to exist, and continue to exist.

What's wrong with that?

Do you think you deserve the profits?

Everyone reaps HUGE benefits from Walmart's taxes, not to mention their charitable contributions.


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another whirl around wall=y=world

A modern version of the company store without the costs of owning and maintaining the housing or medical care.


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"No one forces the government to do anything."

Forces is an interesting word. The tax credit came into place because big business basically owns your government. The tax credit was introduced, under pressure from big business, as a way of avoiding an increase in the minimum wage. So instead of Walmart paying a living wage the burden of that was willingly placed on the shoulders of the tax payer.

So you get to subsidize Walmarts business expenses through your taxes. As long as your cool with that fine, but I would not be. I also suspect you will see much more of this under a Romney regime that will put businesses ahead of the American people.

Walmart Canada's prices are comparable to the US, for the most part, yet they pay higher wages PLUS contribute towards the cost of employee healthcare. In spite of this they make huge profits and are opening NOT closing stores.

They are responsible for their own business costs not me.


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Walmart pours billions into fighting taxes and fair pay.

Can we not answer the question...when your employer does well, shouldn't you do well? Shouldn't employees be on the ASSET side and not the LIABILITY side?

I have said it a million times, there is a high road a and a low road and we are in the gutter with Wall Street gone wild and companies treating their employees like cattle. Why do you continue the same argument, when the game has so clearly been changed? Can you not address the statistics? They should blow your mind but guess the door is closed on that.


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I just realized that Demi works for wallyworld (in a higher position of course). Another possibility is she is related to the owners. "Let them eat cake."


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excellent points, chase.

Keeping the wages low and benefits few help make alternative employment opportunities more attractive: such as joining the military for adventure and education. The peacenik in the Presidency now is undermining the model by closing down wars and threatening the model of perpetual wars and the cash cow supported by tax dollars and borrowing. Very unAmerican, unlike the WallMart heirs and their business model.


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They are responsible for their own business costs not me.

Bears repeating...and another embarrassment is Americans having to buy their pharms du jour in Canada which sells them much more cheaply and I am 100% sure big PHARMA is not doing Canada a favor by selling there.


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Walmart - their share holders, owners/heirs, and fervent political/social supporters epitomizes the 'conservative' view of the world and the United States economy.

- There is nothing wrong with a single family of heirs controlling an immense fortune.

- Using their political clout (millions in donations) to get their way - thats freedom of speech.

- poor people should be 'grateful' for the opportunity to work for them, even at deliberately low wages with no benefits.

- swallow whole the concept of "death taxes are wrong" so that this incredible fortune gets passed along without estate taxes. Watch the people who stand to inherit maybe a $500,000 estate divided amongst siblings man the ramparts to defend the Walmart Heirs and their mega-billion estate.

- complain bitterly about using their precious tax dollars to now make up the difference in wages with the earned income credit, food stamps, Medicaid, etc. for the people they employ.

While 'libruls' see the whole thing as whats wrong with the country, where megabillionaires buy and sell politicians like a six pack of cheap Chinese socks, deliberate low wages and lack of benefits puts the pressure on tax payers to support their employee's lives via food stamps, Medicaid, and all the rest for the working poor, forcing down wages/benefits in all the related retail markets, and all for the opportunity to buy cheap, cr*p imports from China.


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Posted by don_socal socal (My Page) on
Sun, Jul 22, 12 at 11:10

I just realized that Demi works for wallyworld (in a higher position of course). Another possibility is she is related to the owners. "Let them eat cake."

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And I'm accused of making threads about me.

ROTF!


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Notice she is not denying...just sayin'.


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No accusation just fact.


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Walmarts ridiculously low wages and deliberate underemployment keep their workers just rich enough to not be living in a dumpster co-op, but poor enough to be eligible for food stamps. Seeing as Walmart is the reason why countless Americans go on Food Stamps in the first place, one could say this is a low-cost orgy of irony.

Hey, those low lifes made the decision to work for those wages. Walmart is under no obligation to hire them full time. Think about how many of those poor decision-makers WOULD be living in dumpsters if it weren't for Walmart. Better they get food stamps than a full-blown litany of entitlements.

Hey, my Walmart stock went up! So they must be doing something right.

You haters and whiners just can't see the light of day.

-Ron-


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posted by demifloyd:
"No one forces the government to do anything. "

We are absolutley supposed to force our government to do things!

That's the whole point of democracy. I'm astounded that any red blooded US American would put government on such an untouchable pedestal. It's contrary to our entire historical culture to make -- and especially to believe -- such a sad statement.


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  • Posted by ohiomom 3rdrockfromthesun (My Page) on
    Sun, Jul 22, 12 at 12:54

Well the good news is those employees of Walmart do not pay any federal tax, they get earned income credits, food stamps, medicaid and if you support Walmart's practices, then for the love of God stop complaining about the folks who qualify for the above.

Can't have it both ways....


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"Can't have it both ways...."

Unless of course you support poverty level wages AND the removal of all the societal support that these employees get as a result of that wage. Which I suspect is the case for some.


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  • Posted by ohiomom 3rdrockfromthesun (My Page) on
    Sun, Jul 22, 12 at 13:20

I am just sick to death of hearing all the "WHINING" about people who do not pay federal tax, and then support from those WHINERS for Walmart's business practice that is totally responsible for those same said low wage workers not paying federal taxes, qualifying for social programs.

None so blind...


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No one is forced to continue to work at Walmart, or stay in a Walmart job.

This statement wins the "let them eat cake" award. What do you think these people should do - maybe they should all apply for jobs as executives somewhere because we all know executives make more money. The point is that they ARE forced to work there if they want to continue to eat and have a roof over their heads, as modest as it may be.


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"The 52-year-old makes $11.60 an hour as a front-of-the-store manager at a Louisiana Walmart and says she struggles to pay for basic necessities, let alone her $600-a-month rent."

Sadly, that's very good pay around here. I wonder if her "basic necessities" include the things so many up here forego, such as cell phones, cable, brand new clothes (as opposed to the thrift shop), video games, etc.

I think if you want to hurt WalMart or others like WalMart, don't shop there.


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Americans.

give me the lowest price and pay workers the highest wages.

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and it's not just at WalMart. It's just about every purchase we make, it's about the lowest price, not the employee's welfare.

Get real with yourself and then you can address WalMart.


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I wonder if her "basic necessities" include the things so many up here forego, such as cell phones, cable, brand new clothes (as opposed to the thrift shop), video games, etc.

Well, lets see. At $11.60 an hour for 30 hours a week, thats $348 a week. With FICA, thats what then, $290? So x 4, that works out to $1,160 a month, less the 600 a month rent, we have $560 a month, divided by 30 days in a month, then its living off of $18 a day.

I don't see the problem. I mean, she can't afford a car, bus fare is what, $4 a day? And walking is so healthy, she won't need to take time off from work, lose that days' wages to see a dr. Win win all around.


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Get real with yourself and then you can address WalMart.

What a condescending statement.

How do you know what anyone here does in terms of where they shop.

I refuse to step foot in Walmart (or Sam's Club). Will not give them a dime of my money. I will pay more for a product, even the same product, at another store. I am fortunate enough to be able to do that. Unfortunately, not everyone is.

I agree, JG. While reading the OP, I knew exactly who the 1st reply would be from and what they would say! Yes, they don't have to work there. They can just get a better paying job. Or wait, they can go to college and then get a better paying job. Or even better, pick up and move to another part of the country where there are better paying jobs. See how easy that is? What is with all these lazy people that made bad choices in life and are working at Walmart and too lazy to get another job? Clearly it's their own fault, right?


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Brush, sorta just like the war machine.....don't like it don't sign up.


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BW laffin...how ironic that you can't address the op so maybe you need to get real with yourself instead of throwing out your canned answer which is one note at best.

A unionized manufacture base created our middle class. Today Walmart is large enough to set the the standard and we see what that brought us. Is Walmart good for America is the question? I think every small business owner knows the answer to that. To say this is simply people demanding the lowest price is so simply minded and frankly curious as to why someone would promote it when or economic history would prove otherwise. Companies like Bain and Walmart go hand in hand in the destruction of our middle class.

The thing is, Walmart could pay a very nice wage with benefits and still be wildy successful beyond any of our imaginations. Do you take their profit margin into account BW or do you just ignore that they have as much wealth as 40% of our country? You propose that is simply wages that drive end cost...laffin. These companies spend billions...yes billions fighting minimum wage laws and taxes .

We applaud success in our country and that is great but isn't part of the deal, "the American Dream", that if your employer does well you do well? What happened to that?


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And if she has minor children, she can feed and cloth them and see to their medical needs and pay for child care available at a moment's notice, given her chaotic work schedule.


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Elvis, I'm benignly curious about your statement that $11.60 an hour is good pay in your area for a service manager.

Is it typical where you live for management to be paid by the hour and not paid a salary? That sounds so bizarre to me, but then, I don't know. Having lived here all my life, I guess salary for service managers could be a regional business practice I had asssumed was more universal than it really is.


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So, for everyone who disdains Walmart - do you shop at Target? I don't believe they treat their employees much better, but they have managed to develop a hipper, more caring image.

Here is a link that might be useful: Payscale Walmart vs. Target


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TG, those are titles. No one is a clerk anymore. I start out new gardeners in my business at more than that without experience and much more than that with experience. Of course, I live in coastal California.


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Terricks, you are 100% right. Walmart is ground zero in the shift of our economy but now it is our economy and the shift covers all consumer goods from cheap to luxury. We have very little true choice. I am a big supporter of Costco and fan of Starbucks too that treats it's employees very well. But across the board, we are completely out of balance and need to right the ship before we sink.


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I'm just saying that the same people who feel so good about not shopping at Walmart do shop at Target.


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I shop at none of the box stores by my own choice. My family is another matter. Cheap prices for crappy goods continues to be the attraction.


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The few people here and some of those out in realworldland who don't shop Walmart (but nonetheless cart stuff away from Sam's Club by the SUV full 'cause for some bizarre reason they don't know Sam's IS Walmart), aren't making any impact on their bottom line.

The forum likely hates anecdotes, but I was looking for a simple silicone headed spatula - like $6.95 at Kohl's - made in China, too, but it did have a cheery holly sprig decal imbedded in the silicone. Only $1.00 at Walmart for the same exact thing sans the holly which I doubt would have enhanced my bowl scraping experience by much anyway.

While we have lofty and valid reasons for regarding Walmart negatively - isn't just a part of the "hatred" tied up in its physical big boxness? A concrete monster that always wins a land grab and plants itself on a town edge and shows off its merchandise under garish lighting while one by one local establishments shutter up.

Chase, I did read an old article in Bloomberg Businessweek of a Walmart closing in Canada - Jonquille, PQ.


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Understood completely but Walmart does stand alone and this recent post in regard to the recent report on their wealth and dependence on government for their employess....a form of lemon socialism.

Terriks, 100% - the Target by my opteed to close down instead of hold talks with their employees who were close to unionizing. They simply just shut it down.


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Yes they did close a store in Quebec several years ago after the employees formed a union. They couldn't get around the labour laws allowing the employees to unionize so they closed the store.


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Is it a full moon or something? I am asking because I have read some really strange stuff on HT today now I am told that Walmart are in business to help poor people. It seems that business practices that harm the community, undermine real wages and make vast fortunes for the owners is a philanthropic venture. Who knew?


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So propaganda does work. All that money invested in public relations and lobbying pays off afterall.


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Correction - Jonquiere, PQ.

Walmart closed its store there a few months after it was certified by the Quebec government as the only unionized Walmart in North America.

Walmart's reason... under performing.


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I haven't stepped foot inside a Walmart in... I can't remember when. It's been years. They're not that cheap, anyway... until it comes to paying a living wage to whom they employ.

We don't have a Sam's Club card, either... though I will go with a friend occasionally and pick up the type of cleaner I use, which is only available at Sam's. If I could locate it elsewhere, I wouldn't go at all. Other than that, I'm not interested in their meats, produce, or much of anything else they sell.

I can save more money by shopping around, elsewhere.

I hear you, though... it's a big part of what's wrong with our country. It's just too bad some people can't seem to see it.


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Paying its Chinese workers a nickel-an-hour to make more Snuggies

Walmart is into manufacturing now? I did not know that. I thought they only sold goods purchased through other manufacturers. Thanks for clearing that up for me.


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Yes. They have their own brands.


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Houseful, you might want to read or watch a docu on the history of Walmart and how they set up their suppliers in China. Walmart cities...American companies bypassing US labor standards in a communist country with one of the worst human rights records in the world.


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Maggie, that will not work, she will watch watever is on the Wallyworld site and say they are wonderful. Do not post a link as the whole bunch of them always say they do not trust links here and will not open them, might taint their brain.


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  • Posted by bboy USDA 8 Sunset 5 WA (My Page) on
    Sun, Jul 22, 12 at 19:32

In the right direction.


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"It's going to the people that put up the hard work and capital for Walmart to exist, and continue to exist.

What's wrong with that?

Do you think you deserve the profits?

Everyone reaps HUGE benefits from Walmart's taxes, not to mention their charitable contributions."

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Hi Demifloyd and no, I certainly don't think I deserve Walmarts profits. I believe that companies large and small should value their employees and compensate them appropriately. Someone who works 40+ hours a week should not need government subsidies, such as food stamps, to get by. A decent business model and good ethics are not going to send the Walmart heirs to the poor house.


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Don and BBoy, what the h*ll is wrong with both of you? Those little digs just came out of nowhere.

What makes you think I follow anything "Walmart" or that I wouldn't watch a documentary. I knew they had their own brands, but assumed someone else made them and put a Walmart label on them.


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Hi lavenderlver, thank you for your answer. I agree with you.

We can all make our decisions as to what businesses to support with our dollars, and Walmart is one of those.


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Choice is a fallacy.


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Choice IS a fallacy because in many places Walmart came into certain locations displacing many mom and pop stores. People then had no choice as to where to shop - they had to shop Walmart or drive miles and miles to find a different store. How many small businesses were closed because of Walmart? Plenty.


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I only wrote what I have observed numerous times.


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About 6 years ago I travelled around Missouri and Arkansas, camping out and birding and botanizing some with a friend. I could barely believe the abandoned business districts in town after town and then coming up a vast parking lot and a WalMart center in the middle of no where. We would go to some town to get a meal and maybe shop and be directed 20 miles down the road to wally-world. Locals didn't seem to mind any more because many of them commuted long distances to work and a wally world would likely be along the route somewhere. The owners of the mom and pop stores were long gone, or had joined the itinerant work force commuting long distances.


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Walmart hasn't been welcomed in Gotham...yet. So far each attempt has been thwarted with heavy resistance. It is only recently that Target and Costco were allowed to open on the island but the resistance to Wally is greater. It is only a matter of time.

A NYC pension fund is one of a dozen or so that filed derivative action suits against Walmart for their handling of the Mexican bribery fiasco. Additionally the leaders of the fund were scheduled to vote out some directors because of that and because Walmart did not address the charges that they violated child labor laws and hired undocumented workers.

This fund holds the pensions for NY firefighters, Police, the NY Board of Ed and others.


I have never been to a Walmart and it is only recently that I had my first encounter with Costco. I prefer my mom and pop and local shops over big box stores.


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I only wrote what I have observed numerous times.

Such as?


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"I don't open links here" has been posted on here many times by a number of posters that all post alike and frankly I cannot tell them apart most of the time and am not interested in trying any more. So look for the phrase yourself I'm not interested in proving something I know is in those back pages.


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I know there are people who don't open links, but I've never made that announcement. I discern each link independently.

she will watch watever is on the Wallyworld site and say they are wonderful.

What is the rest of your diss supposed to mean?


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Walmart is relentless once it scouts out a sight - most jurisdictions just can't fight them off forever. The only thing we managed here was a scaling back on a big expansion to an existing store and parking lot - it was a little trout stream that not even Walmart could overcome.

CNBC has a documentary "The Age of Walmart" that crops up every now and again. It's been aired 44 times already and draws a bigger audience than any other business program on the network each time. Well worth watching.

A new one, the "New Age of Walmart will premier Sept. 23 on CNBC.


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Here, they still rent the shopping center and parking lot they abandoned for their newer mega-walmart across the highway, effectively locking that space up and disallowing competition. Thats been going on for 8 years now. The other merchants in the old shopping center can't do a thing about it.

But looks great, if you like disintegrating asphalt, and a major boon to the beautification of the city.


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I have gone into Walmart late at night on rare occasion because they are the only store open. It is a depressing place. If that is where we are headed with Republican rule and Bainsian economics, our country is going to he11 in a hand basket.

I know some teabaggers are all bent because there is a brother in the White House, but if you think that's what is wrong with this country or our economy, you are blind and I truly feel sorry for you.


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"No one forces the government to do anything. "

ROTFL


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An average of 5,000 jobs is killed by every Walmart plant that goes up, burdening the public with the costs, of course.

Re their bribery Epi mentions. Here's Don's thread on it:

Vast Mexico Bribery Case Hushed Up by Wal-Mart.

Note the attempt at defending Walton, and also the silence on the issue.


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  • Posted by ohiomom 3rdrockfromthesun (My Page) on
    Mon, Jul 23, 12 at 8:43

The problem with these Walmart stores, for communities, is that when they move to new locations they hold on to the old space. The reasoning according to Walmart is no one is allowed to move into the old space that would be "competition" to them ... ie: retail/food.

The one that they built in my community (with big subsidies/incentives) is moving on down the road (nearby suburb) to a new space and they will be opening a superstore.

The old store is in a space that used to be the original Mall (torn down) to make room for Walmart as an anchor store, with Home Depot at the other end.

The others stores (Barnes and Noble for one) have also closed, and now we have this HUGE empty space.

I have no idea what will happen, but it definitely is not a good deal for our community.


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Sounds like the heirs can afford to pay better, continue to offer low prices, and will still be obscenely rich.


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That's not how to play the game & it's jealousy to want them to curtail it & it's good for the nation to have Fortunes so large they need to be socked away in multiple countries....Yahknow just in case.
Those heirs earned it the hard way people had to die for "some" of them to have that kind of money!


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don't we remember the days when the company you worked for was successful that meant you were successful?

No, I can't say that I can.

Success of individual workers working for a successful company depends on the education, skills, knowledge, experience and performance of workers, demand for their skills, plus their debt and budgeting/saving/spending/investment decisions.

For example, one of our cousins works at Walmart as a BIA - back-room inventory associate. They make about $11.50 per hour which doesn't go far since they're supporting 4 kids, they have tons of debt, they don't budget, save or invest wisely and blow their money on non necessities - mostly disposable goods and services, or depreciating assets.

Like much of the bottom 25%, they have a large negative net worth.

They're lucky to have that job as there are literally hundreds if not thousands of better qualified, better performing unemployed/under-employed job seekers in their region that would just about kill to have any full time job with that level of pay. They were also fired from Target's distribution center for performance issues.


On the other side of the coin, one of our warehouse workers makes a little more money, but has a net worth of about 250K, no dependents and little debt.

While our cousin pays $650 per month for a disgusting slumlord apartment flat, our employee making about the same money owns their home free and clear, plus collects two rents from their 3 family home totaling $1,200 per month.

While our cousin is paying a small fortune to a buy here pay here car dealer for a high mileage POS car, our employee making about the same money pays nothing for the 4 vehicles, 2 motorcycles, snowmobile and 2 boats they own free and clear.


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ditto marshall


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I definitely remember the days when many companies operated with the idea in mind that as they prospered, so did their employees. There are still a few companies around that are employee owned, or where there exists employees sharing in the profits... but not so many that you'd notice.

Then there was the idea of raises being given to reflect increased productivity, or better benefits offered because of better profits... which were due to hardworking, devoted employees with ethics, and employers with the same ethics that cared about their company "families".

These are ideas not seen quite so often these days... where increased profits are due to lowered costs and less employees, or lessened benefits and lowered pay, or cheaper materials, or crews of part time employees which aren't eligible for benefits... or any number of other shortcuts to wealth for the top tier and/or public shareholders.

In my father's time, it was the employee that made the company profitable and reaped the benefits... not all the corners that could be cut, or the outsourcing of jobs.

Times definitely do change...


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Our small stores and mom and pop stores died long before Walmart came to numerous local regions.

Death of downtowns, death of commercial industry, poor locations, high taxes, limited parking, limited selection, limited hours, high prices and increasing competition from malls, strip malls/shopping plazas, convenience stores, grocery stores etc helped kill them off.

We stopped shopping at most downtown stores simply due to lack of parking.

Other things including decreasing demand for their products and services and online sales also reduced their sales/profits.

Currently, the customer traffic created by Walmart stores is a huge bonus for surrounding businesses.

Many of the small stores that were strong enough to survive have outstanding high traffic locations, unique products/services, outstanding customer service etc.

Walmart doesn't have the best prices, but they have zero competitors with their hours of access and selection which makes for one stop shopping.

We spend a substantial amount of money at numerous Walmart stores, but save a substantial amount of money shopping their competitors for lower prices.

Walmart has insanely high prices on some items, but many people will buy these products anyway due to convenience.


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Currently we have 7 relatives that work for Walmart. Oddly enough, the youngest with the least education makes the most money. He started working for Walmart's Distribution Center when he was 20. He started at over $16 per hour. Within the first year he was making over $20 per hour with night time differential and performance incentives for exceeding engineered labor standards.


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Mark,are you my ex wife? She could pinch a penny so hard it would become a dollar but our life sucked because we did not live like any one else, Can you say extreme austerity. that is why I left her, life was going right by. Saving and doing without to get a better position is fine but doing it to the point of not havig a life is bad for the psyche.

Thank you Maddie for bringing up that thread. My mind was shot last night as the pain meds were wearing off and I was very tired. A Gall stone stuck inthe bile duct sucks big time. That thread shows a bit about how our group of these...

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who all sound alike to me any more defend all the "job makers" just because their god tells them to. We are not debating with any thing but robots that cannot be programed to recognize how the country is going down the swirlly hole and they are going too. Will they wake up on the last swirl?


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In my father's time, it was the employee that made the company profitable and reaped the benefits... not all the corners that could be cut, or the outsourcing of jobs.
Times definitely do change...

Jodi, I remember those days too. The NAFTA policy changed the business play card. No longer were companies dependent on the people of their country and since Companies are not people they did what a inanimate objects will do. It does not have feelings, it has one purpose.

There are some good companies Google (although I do not like them) is one. They have some very good friendly employee policies. My daughters law firm, has child care, 1/2 day Friday all summer, gym, wellness check up yearly on site. Family day. They pay their mail clerks well above minimum wage. So there are some Companies out there that value their employees Walmart is not one of them.

If your politics are "hate poor people" my opinion is you should hate "unfriendly employees" People would and could pay more for merchandise if they have sufficient income to be self supporting without government help.

Pay a Living Wage should be everyone's campaign if they really want people off the government.

I do not know what


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There are two wally worlds within five to ten minutes from us and now wally is redoing an abandoned target store we could walk to in 3 minutes. Still will not set foot in any of those crapy holes.


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No, they will blame Obama and other libruls for refusing to cut the taxex on "job creators" and ti eliminate regulations on Big Business.

Don, sorry about your gallstone and attending pain. My family has long suffered similar attacks although I seem to have avoided the propensity.


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I only shop on line! I'm doing my best to do away with everyone's job.


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While I can't begin to imagine the type and level of pain you're suffering, Don, I think I might have a small inkling of where you're coming from. And seriously... I really, really wish you well, and hope most fervently that your pain ceases soon. There are altogether too many of us here with pain, as it is. So, here's to your health improving.

When NAFTA passed, we were hauling freight cross country, and I vaguely remember every truck driver in the nation shutting down in protest. We knew exactly what was coming down the road... and here it is. We're a consumer nation of disposable, imported junk, which doesn't make for a stable, sustainable economy.

If a person can't find a decent job that pays a living wage, how are they supposed to make both ends meet in the middle without government help? Those who seek to dismantle public programs that help feed the nation, and have a smaller government, cannot have it both ways. What's going to happen when no one can afford any of that imported, disposable junk any longer?

Greed always gets ya in the end... it's the way the cycle works.



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It its baffling to me. On one hand conservative principals decry the "nanny state" yet they support labour practices that require the very social programmes they object to.

Business should be responsible for the costs of doing business without the support of the taxpayer....and that means no subsidized wages, no tax breaks, no bought and paid for legislation.

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It its baffling to me. On one hand conservative principals decry the "nanny state" yet they support labour practices that require the very social programmes they object to.

Business should be responsible for the costs of doing business without the support of the taxpayer....and that means no subsidized wages, no tax breaks, no bought and paid for legislation.

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Oh it's simple chase. It's been explained to us by the conservatives here. It's their own fault they have these jobs that do not pay a living wage. They are lazy. Therefore they don't deserve any support using their tax dollars. If they wanted to make more money they could. They just like living off everyone else.

Makes perfect sense doesn't it?


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The trouble with a true living wage is it varies substantially based on location, number of workers per household, number of dependents, age of dependents etc.

For example, one of our relatives, a Walmart employee makes $9.50 per hour which is more than the self sufficiency wage for single workers in their area.

Another relative, a cleaning service employee makes $9.30 per hour, much less than the self sufficiency wage of about $28 per hour for a single worker with 3 young children in the same region.

Most full time jobs already pay more than the living wage/self sufficiency wage of a single person without dependents.

The greater problem we see with many uneducated, unskilled, low skilled and inexperienced job seekers isn't hourly pay, but the fact that many jobs are part-time, temporary or seasonal in nature. Many jobs with random hours are on-demand based, so workers can't really make a budget.

Many of these job seekers that need a job to survive are competing with workers that already have a job or two, or workers that are only working for additional spending money.

Many local low wage workers are younger workers living in middle class and upper middle class households.

Here is a link that might be useful: The Self-Sufficiency Standard


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There's organized opposition to a Wal-Mart opening in Los Angeles' Chinatown.


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Walmart carries a lot of junk...inferior products that have a short life span, do not function properly, etc.

There is no reason to shop there, unless they are the only store that is open.
The prices are no cheaper unless the goods are inferior. Then you just get what you pay for. Walmart junk.


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The last defective product I purchased from Walmart was an American Made Plano tackle box - the same product sold at numerous different stores, or sold online. The tackle box was actually cheaper at other stores, but I purchased it at Walmart due to convenience.

The materials used are of good quality, and the overall design is good, but the design of the hinges is extremely poor. The lid kept popping off thus spilling the contents of the tackle box as it bounced in the boat.

Like many products, I had to modify/redesign it due to poor engineering. In 5 minutes I did what engineers failed to do - make a fully functional product.

On a positive note, I've made a good living repairing, replacing, redesigning and modifying poorly designed American made junk.

When I purchased the tackle box for my cousin's son at Walmart, I also purchased many high quality products as well - Shimano reels, Shimano rods, Rapala lures, Yo-Zuri lures, Storm lures, Stren fishing line, Lake Clear Wobblers, Owner hooks, Gamakatsu hooks, Mustad hooks/swivels, Eagle Claw hooks/sinkers etc, MAG flashlights etc.

I just about cleaned out the stock of some sizes/colors/actions of some Rapala original floaters Yo-Zuri Pins Minnows at 3 different Walmart stores.

Many hunting and fishing products are still made in the U.S.


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Have to laugh, markjames, with your list of all those excellent Japanese fishing products like Shimano, Yo-Zuri, Gramakatsu, etc. and finishing up with Many hunting and fishing products are still made in the U.S. :-)

I managed get to one of those Bass Pro 'super stores' last week, which pretty much sets the standard for where to blow invest your money on quality fishing stuff. Thats the kind of place where you make a list of exactly what you want, not just wander in on an empty tackle box to check it out.


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I have a home in what is probably the most depressed county in new York state and $9.50 hour ain't makng it. Housing is cheaper but everything else is same or more expensive...fuel and food than elsewhere and walmart is the not only game in town but for many towns...30 miles and it is rodent infested.


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The prices are no cheaper unless the goods are inferior.

I do not understand this passion for Walmart. I had to go in once to see what all the praise was about. They are not any cheaper than a good sale at any store and you can find better quality at any other store.

I understand some rural places do not have a choice but if you have a choice you should try shopping the sales at your major department stores and appliance stores.

I have to drive further to get to a Walmart in my area so I do have choices and it is very easy for me to avoid Walmart.

I also do not understand why people would pay these clubs to shop. Sam's Club and Cosco are also a rip off when all you have to do is shop sales and get a better price. Especially if you figure in the cost of the membership you lose even more money.


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Have to laugh, markjames, with your list of all those excellent Japanese fishing products like Shimano, Yo-Zuri, Gramakatsu, etc. and finishing up with Many hunting and fishing products are still made in the U.S. :-)

My big ticket fishing items - boats, trailers, downriggers, planer boards, planer masts, downrigger weights, releases, rod holders, swivel bases, mounting tracks and accessories are made in the U.S.

Much of the tackle I use - boxes, mono, dacron, copper, stainless, lead core, hooks, swivels, sinkers, spoons, streamers, flies, rotators, dodgers, cowbells, spinners etc are made in the U.S. as well. Much of the tackle I use is custom made locally, or within New York state.

I managed get to one of those Bass Pro 'super stores' last week, which pretty much sets the standard for where to blow invest your money on quality fishing stuff. Thats the kind of place where you make a list of exactly what you want, not just wander in on an empty tackle box to check it out.

Much of the tackle I use isn't availble at the fishing superstores or the online resellers - Cabela's, Bass Pro Shops, Gander Mountain.

We buy much of this tackle at tackle shops on or near Lake Ontario, or at Fish307 in Lake Geroge. Due to the seasonal nature of fishing and limited production runs, much tackle and equipment is in short supply or backordered.

We use a lot of live bait and cut bait, but due to DEC regulations combined with shortages this year, we have to trap, net or make our own and/or travel great distances to buy it.


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"On one hand conservative principals decry the "nanny state" yet they support labour practices that require the very social programmes they object to."

That's exactly it... baffling, indeed. Part of the "does not think things through to logical conclusion" and "has difficulty problem solving" mentality.


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No, it is the injunction:

There will always be the poor among us. For conservatives, the poor have only themselves to blame for their current conditions, barring accidents. Even ill-health should not be an excuse if one would just plan ahead for that likelihood.


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I have a home in what is probably the most depressed county in new York state and $9.50 hour ain't makng it. Housing is cheaper but everything else is same or more expensive...fuel and food than elsewhere and walmart is the not only game in town but for many towns...30 miles and it is rodent infested.

I own several properties in one of, if not the most economically depressed county in Upstate New York, although most are in upper middle class and wealthy areas.

40 Hours @ $9.50 per doesn't go very far, especially if someone has dependents, so many people receive food stamps, WIC, Medicaid, daycare, HEAP, Emergency HEAP, subsidized housing, food bank supplements etc.

Many households in our poor and low income regions are headed by single non college educated mothers with multiple children. They'd have to make substantially more than $20 per hour to be self sufficient, but at their level of education, knowledge, experience and skills many are unemployable. At best they may get a part-time low paying job that doesn't require a driver's license, reliable transportation, drug testing, background checks, aptitude tests etc.

Many low wage workers also work more than one job, perform underground economy services and/or receive help from family and friends.

Rents have skyrocketed in some regions, so many renters have 2 or 3 room-mates to share expenses.

Unfortunately, as any landlord will tell you, over-occupancy is a major problem in these regions, especially with record numbers of evictions, foreclosures, tax seizures, landlord foreclosures and people moving in with friends and relatives.


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I do not understand this passion for Walmart. I had to go in once to see what all the praise was about. They are not any cheaper than a good sale at any store and you can find better quality at any other store.

The attraction of Walmart for most Walmart shoppers we know is the convenience of one-stop-shopping, not price.

There aren't many stores where you can have new tires put on your car while you're filling prescriptions, shopping for groceries and shopping for hunting, fishing, automotive, RV, marine, camping, sporting goods, tools, hardware, paint, electronics, iPads, notebooks, cell phones, outdoor equipment etc.

Many shoppers also buy from Walmart's online store due to discounts, greater selection, free site-to-store shipping and free home shipping.

Locally, Walmart has more locations, better locations and more parking than most of their competitors.

Most Walmart locations are Boat and RV friendly as well.

Living in a heavy tourist area, local Walmart stores do a good business since they cater to boaters, campers, vacationers, staycationers and other tourists better than any other store.

That said, Walmart's prices are hit and miss. Some are dirt cheap, while others are much more expensive than competitors, or online shopping.


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Mark it seems you are saying it is basically convenience. I just do not understand if you are low income why convenience is the first choice of patronizing a business.

It is the same problem when people say their food budget is high and buy frozen meals. Frozen meals are not healthy, expensive and it taste like crap and people still buy them. It is the same with Walmart it appears, expensive, crappy and not getting the most value for your dollar. For convenience. Free shipping can be had on thousands of online store that sale better products.

All of this can be done in one of 4 shopping malls close to my home.....
There aren't many stores where you can have new tires put on your car while you're filling prescriptions, shopping for groceries and shopping for hunting, fishing, automotive, RV, marine, camping, sporting goods, tools, hardware, paint, electronics, iPads, notebooks, cell phones, outdoor equipment etc.


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With all this drifting around about what you can buy at Walmart yall are forgetting why Walmart schedules its employees almost but not quite full time-they dont want to pay benefits. We the People get to make those up for Walmart. That was the point of the OP and we need to keep that point in view. Walmart Makes gazillions of dollars in profit every year and yet in order to not have diseased starving people living in cardboard boxes next to the railroad track bathing in gas stations on their way to work at Wally world we get to pay for food stamps, husing assistance, free lunches for the kids at school etc. Now maybe it is just me but I think there is something wrong with this picture. It is not a new business model for chain stores. My first job was in a central receiving warehouse for a department store chain and they did the exact same thing and that was about a hundred years ago. It is still wrong. The Wally world owners cant get fabulously fantastically rich unless they are stealing the pay of their employees-the people who make the money.


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Mark it seems you are saying it is basically convenience. I just do not understand if you are low income why convenience is the first choice of patronizing a business.

Many of our local Walmart shoppers aren't low income shoppers, they're middle class, upper midlle class - even wealthy, especially in the tourist regions.

That said, many low income and poverty level Walmart shoppers don't have vehicles. Because of this many take taxis or the transit to Walmart SuperCenter where one stop shopping is more convenient than traveling miles and miles to shop numerous stores via walking/transit/taxis.

Poor and low income people aren't noted for making smart financial decisions, hence why many are poor and will remain poor indefinitely.

In one of our poorest cities, many poor residents will buy expensive convenience store food rather than walk or take the transit less than 1 mile to a grocery store.

All of this can be done in one of 4 shopping malls close to my home.

Depending on the region, the nearest mall with most of the goods and services I listed may be 30/40/50 plus miles away. Even so, it's not an apples to apples comparison unless the malls have identical products and services at similar prices.

The last time I was at The Wilton Mall, Dick's Sporting Goods was out of stock of just about everything I wanted, and Sears couldn't even order the tires I wanted for my nieces car. Several other things weren't available at the mall either.

I was able to get everything I needed at a Walmart SuperCenter, plus saved at least $200 total.


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Convenience is important if transportation is expensive or limited. Sometimes the cheapest advertised price isn't so cheap if travel to and from the store is expensive or the shopper's time is limited. I know when I'm working 50 or 60 or more hours a week, I want to make one trip to the store and buy everything I need for a week.

I live in suburbia. I'll admit that I shop at WalMart because of the convenience, even though I hate shopping there. I can go to the commissary but that is a half hour drive each way plus the lines there are often longer than those at WalMart. I can go to other stores but means I'll have to stop at a grocery store, a drug store, a garden store, etc before I go buy everything I need. Each stop adds time to my trip and uses more gas. Yes, I can find cheaper prices if I shop the sales, but after I add the cost of getting to the store that is farther away than WalMart and something for my time, WalMart is often competitive on price and wins on convenience.

Believe me a parent shopping with toddlers in tow would much rather get the shopping done in a single stop than go to two or three stores just because of the hassle of getting toddlers out of car seats, in shopping carts, through the store and back in car seats. It is a chore even with the best behaved children.


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But, marquest, you have to concede that access to good shopping is another of those things that isn't always on a level playing field.

Moving back here from the Maryland "abundance land" where every neighborhood had either a Super Giant or Super Safeway or both on opposing corners, a Mall, or sizeable shopping plaza with the usual compliment of liquor stores, dry cleaners, restaurants, drug stores, gas stations, this area pales by comparison.

We do have more than adquate shopping here, so going to Walmart is more for the "experience" than a necessity; not because I somehow don't know any better. I can shop the outer "approved" aisles in Walmart as easily as in my nearby grocery store. And I can buy cheaply made crap in any number of stores and add to the United Nations that is my closet. I can sit at the keyboard and order 3 inch twigs from mail order nurseries.

There've been many threads on people not buying the "right things from the right venues". Add this to the list. While I don't agree with Walmart's hold 'em down and gobble 'em up philosophy, sometimes the store is just so darned handy.


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I was in a Walmart once. About ten years ago. Not my kind of place.

There are about 5-6 places that I shop for meats and groceries. Mostly ethnic places and one little, family-owned meat shop. I never shop at a supermarket...waaaay too expensive.

Most other stuff, I shop online.

Large appliances...I look for the deals at some of these high tech stores.

Some things I get out of season. About six years ago, I got my fireplace/cast iron stove at a $1,000 discount. I checked it out in February and then went back in May and it was discounted.

Also, there are still some mom and pop hardware stores around if you look. In general, the quality of the nuts bolts screws and what not are much better than Lowe's or Home Depot.

As far as plants...I'm into such exotic stuff now that I usually get the stuff I want from trades with other plant nuts...once in awhile online too.

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I actually had a very nice Shimano reel for fishing... loved it for its smooth action and reliability. But I wouldn't buy one at Walmart. I think I got it at Gander Mountain... it was a long time ago.

The point to all this is... a consumer driven economy is not sustainable. Outsourcing most of our manufacturing was a terrible idea, and it will come back to bite this nation in the ass.


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duluthinbloomz, I did say early up in the discussion that I realize that some do not have the option I have with the multiple choices. I was just wondering why people that had a choice would shop at Walmart.

jlhug 10, I know about working long hours. Try leaving for the airport on Monday morning at 5 am and returning Friday and not getting home until 8-9 pm in the evening. I only had Saturday and Sunday to shop and cook for my family for the week.

If you do not have a choice I understand going to Walmart. I just think it is a matter planning. I guess I am a Conservative in that respect. I have a freezer, what is on sale I buy in bulk. The same with the pantry for dry goods. I do not have to go to the store for everything at one time. I have one of the best nurseries in the area that is a block away. The prices are better than the Big Box stores and they guarantee their plants for 3 years. If I want something special they will order.

My Liberal side.....I will not help Walmart. I do not support their policies or their crappy merchandise.


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Why do I always feel I need a bath after going to Walmart? Which is why I don't. We stopped a few months ago because we ran out of sunflower seed and were eating at a near by restaurant. You just wonder where these people came from. Very creepy looking with two week old infants up at midnight. It's a supercenter and laid out so stupidly. It's beyond gross and not that cheap either. I priced some things when I was there and found they are actually a few cents more than the places I shop.

I hate how they have replaced mom and pop stores. They are trying to build another one very near me(the other one is 7 miles away). There is a wetlands there. Do they care? Hell no. They want a platform with blinding lights which will shine in neighboring houses. The trucks constantly coming and going will make what was a nice little neighborhood of little Cape cod houses horribly polluted with noise and traffic. Hate them and vowed NEVER to go in one again. The birds will just have to wait.


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I bought most of my Shimano rods and reels at tackle shops that are no longer in business, or no longer carry Shimano.

Most of the shops that are still in business stopped selling Shimano in favor of low end junk. I don't blame them as that's what most customers want.

The last 6 Shimano TRN 200-G reels I bought from a local tackle shop were covered with dust as they sat in the display case for over 5 years.

When they started selling cheap Okuma level wind line counter reels for $35, customers stopped buying the Shimanos @ $65 even though they're superior in every way.

Recently I wanted to buy 16 Shimano TRN 200-G reels and 22 Shimano TDR dowrigger rods. They weren't available anywhere locally. Two of the tackle shops couldn't even order them through their suppliers.

I ended up buying 6 of them at Walmart stores and ordering the rest through Walmart's web site.

I used to buy a small fortune in equipment through Gander Mountain, both online and at their stores, but they've really gone downhill. Their selection is really poor. The stores don't seem to stock for regional fishing.

Even Walmart stores carry different tackle depending on the region.

Quantity is also an issue when shopping locally. I often want more than a dozen or so of various items, often 2 or 3 dozen, yet often stores have zero, or only a few of a particular item.

Quality of may things has gone downhill, so I end up buying second hand, shopping online for NOS/New Old Stock, or making my own.

It seems if I really like a quality product, they stop making it, or change the design and materials for the worse, so I try to stock up when possible.


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Like I said Mark-you keep talking abut what you can buy there and ignore the fact that they are making their profit bigger by screwing their employees and we get to make up the difference. You think you are getting a bargain but you forget that you also pay out the back door through your taxes. You are supporting a business who is screwing you-but thats just fine apparently as long as you can conveniently get what you want when you want it.


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Point well made, Patricia. Good luck with making people understand. The socio-economic dynamic that spends the most at Walmart probably pays little in taxes, hence may not give a hoot. The money-makers who are paying the most taxes, and therefore may be helping to support the folks who are receiving financial aid, may not shop much at places like Walmart.


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Perhaps the psychology runs along the lines of "let them eat cake" but in this case, let them shop for junk at Walmart rather then have them raging only against the Government.


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I have to ask:

When anyone else sees the title of this thread, does it remind you of "Dancing Queen"?

You are the welfare queen, young and sweet, only seventeen
Welfare queen, feel the beat from the tambourine
You can dance, you can jive, having the time of your life
See that girl, watch that scene, diggin' the welfare queen

OK, now I have the song stuck in your head...JUST LIKE MINE!


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Thanks you had to plant the song in my head too.


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I am the biggest ABBA fan so have that song blasting right now.


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Thanks HG!

Ever since Ink's "Money, Money, Money" thread I've been singing ...

Money, Money, Money
It's a rich man's world........

Now I you've replaced one ABBA ear worm with another!! Luckily I love ABBA!


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If I stopped shopping at stores that don't pay the majority of workers a self sufficiency wage, there wouldn't be many places to shop.

In our family alone, none that work for, or have worked for Walmart, Target, Best Buy, Sears, K-Mart, JC Penny, Price Chopper, Hannaford, Grand Union, Stewart's, Dollar General, Dollar Tree, Save-A-Lot, Tractor Supply, Best Buy, Ace Hardware, True Value Hardware and numerous smaller and mom and pop stores make, or made enough money to be self sufficient.

That's just the nature of these type of jobs. Most of these type of jobs are unskilled/low skilled part-time jobs, seasonal jobs or low paying full-time jobs. These are stepping stone jobs for many workers, often the first jobs for many younger and inexperienced workers.

Many of these jobs are filled by young inexperienced workers still living at home, college students, second/third jobbers, semi-retired workers, housewives, empty nesters and others that want part-time work, flex hours etc.

Of all of our relatives that currently work for stores, 10 of 13 (2 may be in the process of moving back home) still live at home and most can't work full-time, or don't want full-time work. Of 13, 8 live in upper middle class households that may be considered wealthy households in states with lower taxes than New York.

New hire washout, new hire termination and worker turnover is very high in these type of jobs, so many workers never move up the ladder to full-time time work (if they want it), or to better pay, better positions etc. We rarely see the same employees in stores for more than several months.

Several of our relatives that work at stores turn down hours, overtime, full time work, nights, weekends, holidays or promotions with more responsibility.

When my sister, or one of her managers calls floaters to work extra hours at her convenience store, they'll often have to call 6 plus workers to find one willing to take the unscheduled, or additional hours.

According to BLS projections, the majority of future job growth is in low paying, low skill jobs sales, food prep, healthcare/homecare - orderlies, HHAs, PCAs, CNAs etc.

That's why education, knowledge, skills and experience in higher paying, higher demand industries are important - Unless you want to say "Welcome To Walmart" XXXX times per day.


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I also do the majority of my non commercial/non grocery shopping online. I have no idea how much the office workers, order pickers, packers and loaders make, but I imagine it's similar to what we see in local warehousing/distribution businesses.

I remember reading something about how poor pay and working conditions at Amazon warehouses.

Locally, Walmart and Target Distribution Centers and Walmart's Return Center are some of the highest paying employers of unskilled/low skilled workers.

I have 18 tenants that work for these businesses currently and many former tenants that have worked for these businesses have moved up the ladder becoming homeowners.


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RE: Welfare Queen

Demi Antoinette proclaimed "Walmart isn't a welfare queen, but they do sell goods to welfare queens."

You go girl, took you all of 5 seconds so glad you put some thought into it.

Yup. Faster than your average conservative can wag a finger. It's the Royal Finger Wag, only 1 finger required.

Demi "Let them Eat Cake" Antoinette
The OTHER kind of Queen

Sea

oh wait.. can Welfare Queens use their food stamps for cake? Not to worry, there's always crumbs.


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RE: Welfare Queen

Stuff it.


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