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The Drudge Report stirred up the latest buzz Thursday night by reporting that Romney is seriously considering the former secretary of state as a potential running mate.

I think that Rice would bring in a whole lot of additional votes. I would go so far as to offer the opinion that I fear having her on the ticket could be a clearly defined game changer in this election.

I hope she continues to turn it down, if in fact it is ever offered to her.

Oh, I get it. It's not about women breaking through the glass ceiling; it's only about liberal women...

Even if I were a Republican, I'd be neutral on Rice - least of which is thinking she's got better things to do than spend time dialing for dollars.

"There is no way I would do this."

"I know my strengths, and Gov. Romney needs to find someone who wants to run with him."

Condi Rice on June 26th when asked if she would be willing to run for VP.

So, unless like Romney she flip flops I don't see it.

I have no problem with her being a candidate. Did someone say they did? The only complaint I heard is that she might be too successful. LOL

We elected a black man for president just because he was black. Can't see why it wouldn't work for a woman.

House
I guess all the other Presidents we elected was because they were white?

You can take that "we" out because I voted for President Obama for the reasons I voted for other President as being the best one for the job. The color of his skin was not a factor to vote for him.

If a person is racist it would be a reason to not vote for him because they could not recognize what he has done or what he could do if elected because of the problem with racism is ignorance.

Why is the President about "color" with you?

Kate

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"We elected a black man for president just because he was black."

I hope that's not true in the least. I didn't vote for him because of that reason. He could've been purple and I will would've voted for him. Still will!

If he were purple, I would hope you wouldn't waste time voting, but immediately perform the Heimlich instead... maybe call an ambulance.

He could've been a painted blue midget and I would've for him.

:)

I am so thrilled for Bryan Fischer and his crew every candidate kisses his rear on the way up but they all ignore him after Iowa. He wasn't a fan of Mittens either he declared that while he may believe he was a christian he wasn't really he was a member of a cult.

Does it matter if the Christian right are going to be more demanding than Piers Anthony as to her marital status & I though Piers Anthony was disgraceful asking her about cooking a meal.

We voted for him because he was the most qualified and levelheaded of the candidates offered. He was the most logical choice.

I would have voted for him if he were green with pink polka dots, orange stripes, with a multicolored rainbow in checkerboard form on his back, and he were gay.

Skin color had nothing to do with oh, so many of the votes he received. He was simply more qualified and offered better solutions.

If anything, being black cost him votes with certain sectors of the population.

By the way houseful, President Obama lost every State with a large percentage of black citizens except one....all the others went to McCain.

I cant respect Rice for her enabling of war mongers but I can respect her for being smart, capable in what she does, educated, lucid in her explanations-so totally opposite to Palin's right wing fluff, but I am sure the ultra right would have little kittens all over the place if she were the VP candidate. Mitt has enough problems without further damaging his base- a capable female would not endear them and there is always the racist thing and those rumors that she is homosexual. She would poll well with the middling independents though.

....this is so redundant. The majority of black Americans vote Dem, and they have consistently done so since white folks "allowed" them to vote. Heck they voted for "white" guys before Obama, and they will vote for "white" guys after Obama ... because they vote for the Democratic party.

This has been said over and over and over and over and over and over on this forum, tis getting tiring repeating it.

"Race wasn't why we voted for Obama, either... so I guess the racial reason given can be thrown out the window stamped rejected/NFG."

So you don't think any African Americans voted for Obama because they consider him black? (I consider him half black, myself).

"Skin color had nothing to do with oh, so many of the votes he received. He was simply more qualified and offered better solutions."

More qualified than a lot of people, for sure. More qualified than me, for instance. Pres. Obama really didn't have a whole lot of political experience at the time he was elected--and very little actual experience as an employee--none as a boss.

Condoleeza Rice would be a stellar VP candidate.

here we go again.

The same ridiculous question(s) over and over and over and...again.

Of course they did......your point would be?

The facts are regardless of how many African Americans voted for him you don't elect your Presidents by popular vote. You elect by electoral college and ALL BUT ONE STATE that is predominately black went Republican...and that's the facts!

He was not elected because of the black vote...their vote for him was lost to McCain.

The extreme right wing would not vote for Rice as a VP for many reasons. 1. she's black 2 she's pro-choice and liberal in many social issues. I think she's an enabler to Bush/Cheney's evil empire .

Read what I wrote again, and if you still don't understand what I said, I'll explain it in easier to grasp terms. The word "we", meaning my husband and myself, would be the key one to watch for.

I think it keeps coming up because they cannot believe everyone is not like them. They would never vote for an African American so it had to be all those African Americans that voted for him.

No sane White, Hispanic, Jewish, Polish etc would vote for an African American. It was all those African Americans that have everybody out numbered voted in a Kenyan, muslim, socialist.

OMG, OMG, Quick Quick we have to take back the country. It is funny.

Did I get it right House?

As for Condi, I, too, remember the Project for the New American Century. She put herself in the camp of the Neocons years ago. Not that it matters to me, but rumor has it that she is gay, which would not sit well with Mormons and Evangelical Fundamentalist Christian conservatives.

If people who voted for Obama didn't vote for him because he was black, which I believe wasn't the only reason many voted for him,then why are those who didn't vote for him and don't like him frequently attacked for being racist?

I don't believe for a moment that all blacks voted for him just because he was black anymore than I believe all white people vote for white people because they are white. He won because he managed to fool a whole bunch of young, idealistic, politically naive people into voting for him.

Many are now older and wiser. Hopefully they won't repeat the same mistake.

Did I get it right House?

No, you didn't. I didn't say anything about who blacks voted for.

I personally know 9 people that admitted they voted for him because he's black; only two of them are black.

I keep hearing that blacks vote overwhelmingly Democratic because the Dems are for the little people. If that's not condescending, then I don't know what is. This idea that blacks (or other minorities) are not capable of taking care of themselves actually makes me sick.

We elected a black man for president just because he was black

In all your life have you seen anyone say we only voted for Bush because he was White?

They just can't believe or deal with the fact that someone other than their candidate, someone that doesn't have "pure lily white skin" was actually elected to the "highest office in the land".

They will never accept the fact that "an African American" won the election because he got the majority of the votes in enough states that awarded him the majority of the elector votes, which in turn agreed with the voters and voted for Obama at the electoral college.

Surprise, surprise, but this "white, Jewish, Polish" voted for Obama, as did more than enough to elect him as president.

Condi Rice isn't going to make it as VP, she is far too liberal to satisfy the present existing GOP now.
Those Righties, the right wing evangelical side won't support her, the right to lifers won't support her, and how in the world is she going to be compatible with "the Mitt"? She doesn't fit in with his beliefs either; that is since he claims to be this conservative now, against abortion, and all that good stuff that goes against women and of course "Obamacare".

If, and I mean if "the Mitt" actually chose Condi as VP, that would be the end of his run for the white house. he will have "cooked his goose", proved once and for all he is not sane to be president and has no idea what he is doing, saying or anything else.

"Wildchild what would make someone say this?

We elected a black man for president just because he was black

In all your life have you seen anyone say we only voted for Bush because he was White?"

If you would go back and reread my post perhaps you would understand. I don't believe he was elected because he was black or because "all" black people voted for him. I know several who didn't.

I believe the inexperienced youth vote had more to do with his success. Also the anti-Bush sentiment at the time.

I was merely saying that is is the left leaning that seem to believe that his black side played such a great role in his election. Otherwise why are those of us who didn't vote for him so often accused of being racist?

She won't nor should she but if she did...bye bye Romney!

the youth vote certainly helped Obama win, but that was not the deciding factor.

as for the "anti bush sentiment" are you trying to say that the "Sarah Palin" factor had nothing do do with it or the Anti McCain?

You mean that that the continued ideas of war mongering from McCain's "attempted absurdity with his comments of "bomb, bomb, bomb Iran" and making into a joke,

Or his first decision making, his choice for VP had nothing to do with it?

Nah, it wasn't so much the anti Bush sentiment, it was the pure and simple no way is McCain getting in and lordy, lordy, Sarah Palin one heart beat away from the oval office.

McCain shot himself out of the win when he added Sarah to the ticket. He had no chance of winning then, not that he had much to begin with.

I can count at least 10 people I know that switched to Obama to vote for when McCain chose Sarah has his VP.
None of these 10 people ever voted for a Democrat for president, but, well as they put it,

"McCain is old, to high a risk of his dying in office, and Sarah Palin moving into the Oval Office is just not something this country can have. She is one wacked out crazy lady, not VP material and sure as heck not Presidential Material. It's Obama getting my vote."

These same people have the same thoughts about Romney, no way is he presidential material. It's all about him and nothing else and the evidence is right their in front of everyone to see.

WE elected a black man for president JUST because he was black. Can't see why it wouldn't work for a woman.

My understanding of your statement was you were saying that the President was elected JUST because he was BLACK.

Can you see that statements like that is something has never been used as to the color of a President as a reason why they won? I do not hear Bush only was elected JUST because he is White.

It has always been a Democrat for the poor and people of color. If you know your history you will understand what Jim Crow, working man issues that Democrat supported.

Come into Present Day the working man is generally the low man on the economic ladder. Corporations, 1% as they say these days are the support that goes to Republicans. The majority of the Corporations are supporting the Republican Party.

When you say why would someone want someone to help them is a strange statement.

House you said......
'If that's not condescending, then I don't know what is. This idea that blacks (or other minorities) are not capable of taking care of themselves actually makes me sick.

You know what should make you sick?
-Gay and Lesbians not free to marry
- Violation of Women's Rights
-Segregation
-Jim Crow
-A old black woman that had been cleaning a house of her white boss all day and she had to sit at the back of the bus. or worst get up and stand if a white man wanted her seat.

Do you think these issues are condescending? Walk a mile in that old Black Woman's shoes and say you do not want your government to be on your side.

This is why Chase says Americans do not know our own history, government or what the purpose of voting is all about. It is like people have been born on K street and never read a book or traveled any further than 5 blocks from K street of the city they were born.

Demi saying Representatives are busy people should not bother them and now you with this people should take care of themselves. They are taking care of themselves by electing official that will make it financially possible to take care of themselves.

Elections are not about fighting about whether they are Republican, Democrat, Independent , Black or White.

"I was merely saying that is is the left leaning that seem to believe that his black side played such a great role in his election. Otherwise why are those of us who didn't vote for him so often accused of being racist?"

So true. And my 90 year old mother tells me she, and as far as she knows, the majority of the others down at the senior center voted for Barack Obama because "they didn't want to seem racist". They had never before had the choice between white and other. So there's that.

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Posted by wildchild z9CA (My Page) on Fri, Jul 13, 12 at 17:56

"All the bashing of women in office appears to come more often from other women, not men."

Same here on HT. The bashing hardly ever occurs female vs. male; instead the males are flirted with and given passes frequently. Women are much nastier than men, IMO.

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Posted by marquest z5 PA (My Page) on Fri, Jul 13, 12 at 20:57

"Can you see that statements like that is something has never been used as to the color of a President as a reason why they won? I do not hear Bush only was elected JUST because he is White."

If you can untangle marquests grammar (?), she seems to be saying something to the effect that no one says Bush was elected because he is white, instead of the other white guy. Sure.

There is the fact that no one believes that ridiculous statement.

I'm a lily white woman whose German ancestors came to PA in 1709 and probably not one of them ever voted Democratic in all the years these two parties have existed. I live in a mostly white part of the state and really have no black friends. I had a few in college. I had racist relatives one generation removed from me. This highly educated aunt taught school for 45 years and Sunday school that long as well. She probably would be turning in her grave if she knew I voted for a black man. Do you actually think if Obama was a Republican, I would have voted for him just to show I wasn't a racist?

"Dr. Condoleezza Rice is the person who actually saw the famous PDB BIN LADEN DETERMINED TO ATTACK INSIDE UNITED STATES, but didn't think it was warranted to drag Pres. Numbskull back from cutting brush to see why C.I.A. director George Tenet's hair had been on fire over warning signals all summer.

"I don't think anybody could have predicted that these people would take an airplane and slam it into the World Trade Center, take another one and slam it into the Pentagon. That they would try to use an airplane as a missile? A hijacked airplane as a missile? All of this reporting about hijacking was about traditional hijacking." Condoleezza Rice

In fact, George Tenet unloaded on Dr. Rice, who he says ignored his warning to strike inside Afghanistan before 9/11.

Rice is also the person who deep-sixed Richard Clarke's access and demoted him, while not listening to him until it was too late."

Unsubstantiated generalization. Democratic women have been known to criticize Sarah Palin, to use one example, but those same women do not attack other Republican women--why? cuz the other Republican women don't doing things that provoke criticisms. And those Democratic women who criticized Palin don't go around criticizing Democratic women and Independent women. They criticized Palin she did things that deserved to be criticized.

It's very bad logic to argue that because a female criticized Palin, therefore, she is critical of all or most other women. There's no connection between the two.

Kate

Women are much nastier than men, IMO.

Sadly, this says a heck of a lot more about you than about women, Wildchild and Elvis.

Ugh. I hate a full frontal of internalized misogyny.

""All the bashing of women in office appears to come more often from other women, not men."
Unsubstantiated generalization. Democratic women have been known to criticize Sarah Palin, to use one example, but those same women do not attack other Republican women--why? cuz the other Republican women don't doing things that provoke criticisms. And those Democratic women who criticized Palin don't go around criticizing Democratic women and Independent women. They criticized Palin she did things that deserved to be criticized.

It's very bad logic to argue that because a female criticized Palin, therefore, she is critical of all or most other women. There's no connection between the two.

Kate"

Bachmann comes to my mind. But okay; I'm not going to get bogged down listing examples. I do think that Wildchild has a valid point. You don't have to agree; that's part of what a discussion is for.

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Posted by frank_il z5Illinois (My Page) on Sat, Jul 14, 12 at 1:47

"There is the fact that no one believes that ridiculous statement."

Actually, Frank, it was a statement about a ridiculous fact. But whatever.
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Posted by littleonefb z5MA (My Page) on Sat, Jul 14, 12 at 1:52

"Do you really expect posters to believe such a ridiculous comment as you just posted?"

You guys are so cute when you do the "piling on" thing. Adorable. Again; whatever.

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Posted by lily316 z5PA (My Page) on Sat, Jul 14, 12 at 2:29

"Elvis, the grammar police. Your re-posting of everyone's comments gets on my last nerve."

This is the only way to make clear what a poster is responding to, lily. You might try it. Saves time and confusion.

"I'm a lily white woman whose German ancestors came to PA in 1709..."

Ya think? That's pretty apparent. Blue blood; and yet so open-minded--good for you.

Wildchild
"I was merely saying that is is the left leaning that seem to believe that his black side played such a great role in his election. Otherwise why are those of us who didn't vote for him so often accused of being racist?"

Wildchild, Do you mean the Right leaning believe that his black side played a role? My observation is with House's remark that a black man was elected because he is black and so many blacks voted for him. "He only won Just because he was black"

As to your racist question.. You cannot deny that racism exist in America, I am sure some did not vote for Obama because he was black . Without knowing you or anyone personally there is a chance that person is racist and did not and will never vote for anyone of color. There is a segment of American that fall into the category as racists for reasons that have been discussed. I do not think it is as large a segment or Obama would not have been elected. Also, that racist segment is shrinking a great deal, they are becoming a fast minority

He did not advocate leveling the playing field by a government playing Robin Hood. He very much acknowledge that there will always be poor. He commanded us to take care of the poor and the widowed. "WE" does not mean the government.

He was actually narrow-minded and intolerant. He would not hand out condoms in schools and then allow abortions if the condom failed. He did not advocate an "if it feels could, do it" mentality. He would most definitely keep God and prayer in schools.

Race may have influenced a few pockets of people, but it was... and still is... the last thing on the mind of anyone who weighs the pros and cons of voting and government leadership seriously and carefully.

I would have voted for him if it WERE found out he was Muslim... that is not an automatic tag for terrorism. It's a religion, much like any other.

The reactionary portions of our population who are influenced by media and personal prejudices and dislikes would of course be up in arms over anything repeated often enough by those who hold the microphone with the grip of hate and division, hoping for high ratings... that's expected.

Racism is still an issue within our nation... that much cannot be denied. We see it so often, to the point that it can accurately be called institutionalized racism. We can only hope that the chain will somehow be broken, and future generations won't think about race or ethnicity when casting votes, but about qualifications, intelligence, balance, and fairness.

Yep, Jesus would be hi fiving everyone that walked out of the abortion clinics and passing out condoms to 14 year olds, wouldn't he?

Ridiculous!

"I also forgot to list that Jesus is a Republican"

Bill responded.....

"Actually, a democrat. He disdained the rich and loved giving all to the poor. "

We are the government. The government does not have it's own money. It is our money. geez

More irony.

Houseful: "Jesus was narrow minded and intolerant. He would not hand out condoms in schools and then allow abortions if the condomns fail."

You know this for a fact, right. You've interviewed Jesus on what he would do in each and every situation. What you post here says more about you than those you attack.

Jodik, I'm with you re had Obama been a Muslim. Would not have made any difference to me. I've worked with Muslims and the ones I know are decent, moral,compassionate, and intelligent.

I see these pictures of Jesus riding a donkey though. LOL!

Gad! to bring up Michelle Bachman the Palin clone as an example of deserving women being bashed is well....good grief. Any one picking on Olympia Snowe?

I,too, would have voted for Obama if he was a Muslim. The old man and his scary dim witted running mate who would have been a heart beat away from the presidency got Obama a lot of GOP votes. Not on this forum, because they blindly vote the party as they're doing this time around.

Rice won't run...too much baggage. She's a smart woman and I like many of her leanings, BUT she was a member of the neocons who screwed up in so many ways. She blindly supported the Iraq invasion. What she did when she saw the report of planes possibly being used to strike tall building was to dismiss it in the summer of 911.

"...even if Condi didn't refuse, she would never be picked for fear of the holy rollers."

Oh, dear. What's a "holy roller"? Let's look that one up:

dictionary.reference.com

noun "Disparaging and Offensive. a member of a Pentecostal sect: so called from the frenetic religiosity expressed during services."

A fine example of religious bigotry. For shame :-(

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Posted by labrea 7NYC (My Page) on Sat, Jul 14, 12 at 11:25

"The Condi proposal was never serious as Romney was barely acceptable to the religious right Condi would be completely unacceptable to the religious right or even a majority of those right to lifers. Shes far to liberal socially."

Assuming there ever was a bona fide proposal. I think Joe is right on this one. JMO

So, do you mind telling me how the Jim Crow laws came about and by WHOM? Can you tell me who started the KKK and the White Knights? Can you tell me who the majority of people were that practice peonage? Can you tell me who started SS and a whole host of other entitlements? And while you're at it, can you tell me why black on black crime is so disproportionately high?

Thanks in advance!

Where oh where is KT when we need him. Someone please explain about the prior history of the reversal of the 2 parties in the South. I gotta run....

Eggshell, check your history about who Romney has worked with over the last 20 years.

House Really????

Your questions are the same as asking why are whites disproportionately receiving Public Assistance, live in Trailer parks, are their own first cousins in the southern back woods.

The fact that you say you feel sorry that people vote for their best interest shows you are as you describe yourself.

If you have to come to a forum and ask for someone to explain the history of the political parties says a lot about your place in this election process.

Do some research, read and learn the process and the meaning of how politics affect your life.

Thanks in advance!
Oh and you are welcome.

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I guess Condi will not be VP. Santorum opened a Campaign headquarters in Greensburg today and he said Condi will not be VP. his reasons this is not exact quote but....
-She does not believe in small government
-She does not agree with the Republican Tax policy of no Tax
-She is Pro-Choice

The usual rhetoric of sanctity of life that she does not support that once the baby is born we would not like to help with our money with taxes so that the baby is feed or have healthy care if and while we are at it where is the mother's Personal Responsibility.

Yes of course, the fact that Obama is black is the last reason that most Republicans hate him. LOL..

The terms "racist" and "racism" have actually been exploited by those who are the least tolerant of black people and minorities. They define the term as encompassing only the most egregious forms of hatred towards people of color or those of a different race. That makes it easy posture about the use of the term, easy to avoid the tag, and far too easy to turn the tables about racism....much in the same way they try to do with "reverse discrimination."
Don't you see that others can see right through all the excuses, the righteous indignation, the shallow justifications, and the pseudo-intellectual posturing done by those who seek to deny that racism exists or that, God forbid, they harbor any racial intolerance themselves?

Ok well let us stipulate that no Republican alive is a "racist."
But what would you call those like Representative Joe Wilson who initiated an unprecedented verbal assault on a President before a Joint session of Congress and a national TV audience? What kind of pejorative would describe that?How about Jan Brewer sticking her finger in the Presidents face? How about the treatment of President Obama by the all white Republican Senate with a record number of vetoes? And what about the unprecedented degree of obstruction and the coalescing of the Republican party behind their most extreme right wing leaders?

And what do we call it when white people just do not want to live by black people, even in a largely white suburban neighborhood? A preference?
Is that the same as just not wanting a black to marry into your family?
Likewise, just not wanting Obama as President for people who have some of these preferences is not racism either, but it is about race for many of them.
Deny it until the cows come home, but when I hear those cowbells, they tell me something about the race deniers.

"Don't you see that others can see right through all the excuses, the righteous indignation, the shallow justifications, and the pseudo-intellectual posturing done by those who seek to deny that racism exists or that, God forbid, they harbor any racial intolerance themselves?"

Heri, I don't remember ever seeing anyone post that racism doesn't exist. Do you? There's been talk every once in a while (not just by you) about racism deniers, but I've never seen anyone actually do that here on HT, so what's your point in this particular regard?

Do some research, read and learn the process and the meaning of how politics affect your life.

I guess this means you can't answer my questions.

Here is something to ponder: How can someone who is your enemy one day, suddenly become your best friend the next?

"Here is something to ponder: How can someone who is your enemy one day, suddenly become your best friend the next?"

I know what you mean, but how does that relate to this discussion? I missed something.

Even my kids know about it. 'nuff said.

Besides, as many times as we have explained this history here on the HT Forum, we still have (the same) posters (as well as some new ones) turning the history wrong side out and pretending they have never heard the correct history, no matter how many times we give it.

Or their other favorite--stop the history of political parties and civil rights in the 1950s--refuse to acknowledge any history at the time of and after the big reversal occurred.

Kate

I do not understand why this is so hard. You cannot or I should say should not vote Republican, Democrat, Black, Independent, White, Green, unless it supports what you think is beneficial for you, your family, the country. That is taking care of yourself. If you vote that way there is no condescending needed or making House sick

That is not as House said condescending if minorities, working class, Middle Class vote Democrat.

House I guess I do not understand your point....

WE elected a black man for president JUST because he was black. Can't see why it wouldn't work for a woman.

House you said......
'If that's not condescending, then I don't know what is. This idea that blacks (or other minorities) are not capable of taking care of themselves actually makes me sick.

You know what should make you sick?
-Gay and Lesbians not free to marry
- Violation of Women's Rights
-Segregation
-Jim Crow
-A old black woman that had been cleaning a house of her white boss all day and she had to sit at the back of the bus. or worst get up and stand if a white man wanted her seat.

Do you think these issues are condescending? Walk a mile in that old Black Woman's shoes and say you do not want your government to be on your side.

They are taking care of themselves by electing official that will make it financially possible to take care of themselves.

Elections are not about fighting about whether they are Republican, Democrat, Independent , Black or White.

So Condi would not make a difference to the people that vote their interest. Not because she is a woman or black.

The denial that race is an issue has been done by the use of false equivalence (reverse racism), obfuscation (race isn't that big of an issue any longer), and various pseudo intellectual arguments, including the suggestion that the problems of poverty, drugs and black on black violence must be innate rather than a result of our government policies or systemic racism in this country for over 200 years.

Many Republicans assert that Obama was elected primarily because he was black, which is a joke and is an insult to people of color.

And what did you recently post about segregation? Oh, I forgot, you are an Independent, a.k.a., a Republican that does not want to admit they voted for Bush twice, but now wants to vote for a guy that supports the same policies.