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Boy Scouts - still 'no' to gays

Posted by esh_ga z7 GA (My Page) on
Tue, Jul 17, 12 at 13:40

The Boy Scouts of America will keep their controversial policy banning gay scouts and leaders after a confidential two-year review, the organization said Tuesday.

The Boy Scouts convened a committee of 11 volunteers and professional leaders in 2010 to decide whether the policy was still in the organization's best interests after a resolution was put forward to reconsider it, the private group said in a statement that was first reported by The Associated Press.

They reached a unanimous consensus that it was the "best policy" for the BSA, Scouts' spokesman Deron Smith said in an email. That conclusion was shared at a February board meeting and recently reviewed by the officers of the board, he said.

"The committee included a diversity of perspectives and opinions. The review included forthright and candid conversation and extensive research and evaluations -- both from within Scouting and from outside the organization. The committee's work and conclusion is that this policy reflects the beliefs and perspectives of the BSA's members, thereby allowing Scouting to remain focused on its mission and the work it is doing to serve more youth," the statement said.

What a shame.

Here is a link that might be useful: source


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Not only a shame, but ignorant as well... I can't believe that in this day and age, the Scouts can still hold this prejudice.


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Let us not forget that in spite of relying heavily on women as "Den Mothers" they also do not allow girls. Weird organization. Why would any woman want a son indoctrinated by such a group?


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That's one reason my daughter would not let her kid become a scout.

Funny because when my son was boy scout there were two gay boys in his troop who are openly out today.


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Oh gee that's too bad! I hope it happens someday for those who want to participate in that sort of thing.
Montana' s Republican State platform are also being a bunch of a holes with the wording of their marriage equality ban. Just turds being turds!


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I wonder whether in their ignorance they're confusing gays with pedophiles who blend in so beautifully and can be abusing any number of boy scouts before they're found out.


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I wonder whether in their self righteousness

You spelled it wrong. Fixed it for ya!


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"`It's our perspective that sexual orientation has no bearing on the ability of a person to participate in or deliver our programs,'' said Andy McLaughlin, spokesman for Scouts Canada"

..and that was the position of Scouts Canada in the year 2000.....twelve years ago.


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Yes, but you can still not openly declare yourself an atheist in Scouts Canada.

It's their own "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" policy.


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  • Posted by bboy USDA 8 Sunset 5 WA (My Page) on
    Tue, Jul 17, 12 at 16:34

Who are the Boy Scouts?


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HG I don;t think that is true, atheists are welcome but all who join must have a sense of "spirituality" whatever that means!!! I agree there policy is a bit convoluted and somewhat contrived but this is the policy

"Do you have to believe in God to join Scouts Canada? Is Scouting a Christian organization?
No, but you must have a basic spiritual belief. Spirituality has been one of the three main principles of Scouting around the world since its inception 100 years ago. Scouts Canada welcomes members of many different faiths and denominations; we are proud of our commitment to diversity. That said, you need not belong to an organized religion, but all leaders and youth must take the Scout Promise in good faith, and leaders should be able to include some form of spirituality in their program for the youth.“God” is the word in the Promise used to represent spirituality, and for some may represent an actual deity, but it may also mean to your family an expression of your personal spirituality.


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Who are the Boy Scouts?

It's that private organization who doesn't allow certain segments of society to participate but are still allowed to use public lands and facilities (sometimes for free, other times for miniscule fees).

They spend huge chunks of their donations to fight governments and municipalities which have anti-discrimination laws on the books, in order to keep using those facilities.

Why in the world they still have a congressional charter in this day and age, is beyond me.

-Ron-


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HG I don;t think that is true, atheists are welcome but all who join must have a sense of "spirituality" whatever that means!!! I agree there policy is a bit convoluted and somewhat contrived but this is the policy

Nuh uh. Basic spiritual belief means a "higher power" in some form. You don't have to belief in the Christian form of God, but you cannot outright state that you are an atheist.

Guess how my kids ended up in Cadets instead of Scouts. ;)


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Thanks for your perspective......none the less they are still way more progressive than their American counterparts.


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it always seems the pedophiles in the boy scouts are
such are happily married family men. I fear there's a mystery in that!


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  • Posted by bboy USDA 8 Sunset 5 WA (My Page) on
    Tue, Jul 17, 12 at 17:07

That way they can molest other people's kids instead of their own.

Other pedophiles don't bother with going outside the house.


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This is off-topic, but I've always wondered how women stay married to pedophiles, often for decades, even though they know exactly what is going on. I'm not stating that all do know, but it appears that some if not many do. To be an accessory to something so heinous is unbelievable to me, not to mention that it is a gross (in more sense than one) violation of fidelity.


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In what manner are they more progressive Chase?


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lavenderler,

please refer to my post at 16:27.... Gays are welcome in Scouts Canada, I believe that to be more progressive than the policy of the American Boy Scouts. Perhaps you have a different view.


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lavenderler,

please refer to my post at 16:27.... Gays are welcome in Scouts Canada, I believe that to be more progressive than the policy of the American Boy Scouts. Perhaps you have a different view.


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lavenderler,

please refer to my post at 16:27.... Gays are welcome in Scouts Canada, I believe that to be more progressive than the policy of the American Boy Scouts. Perhaps you have a different view.


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Computer problems chase?

And what are you doing here? It's supposed to be MY turn!


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Oh sorry, didn't change my handle in time....the second post was suppose to be from you....'cause we think exactly the same.


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lol...

You know, since it was stated, I have noticed that we do have similar views on a number of things. National debt, healthcare, political leanings, the whole Huntsman thing.

Which, by the way, I noticed in the other thread that several other liberals also mentioned that Huntsman was a half decent candidate. How come nobody went monkey-crazy on them for watching too much Fox, being racist, and being secret Republicans?


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I've heard far too many stories of people whose mother knew that father was molesting or where mom was inappropriate in far too many ways. It was usually a family dynamic of something you sort of knew about but no one said anything. I know people where no body had a problem with piles of porn in the bathroom & this is current these are people my age so this was happening in the late 50's & 60's. One mother used to describe her sexual escapades with her boyfriends in graphic detail & his sister & other brother referred to him as the prude because he was the only 1 bothered by it.
Most people focus on the predatory male but there had been a growing awareness on non violent inappropriate inter generational relationships in the last several years.
Sometimes mentor relationships between mature women & adolescent males don't cross into active sexual behavior but become highly charged emotional or co dependent relationships that may also have detrimental effects.
It's thought that sex between older women & underage males is greatly under reported becasue of cultural double standards. I'm sorry this is all a digression from the topic!


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It's thought that sex between older women & underage males is greatly under reported becasue of cultural double standards.

You're absolutely right.

I live in a house surrounded by males and yes, it's true. The boys (both late teens) would see nothing wrong with them being with an older woman.

Hubby will grudgingly admit he still holds a double standard (even though he knows it's not right) where if his son was with an adult woman he would calmly tell him he's too young and to break off the relationship.

If it was his daughter he found out was with an adult man, I fear he may end up facing some assault charges if not attempted murder.


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Also off topic, but I'm one of the people who thought that Huntsman would have been a very viable candidate. I think all this dividing of people into liberals and conservatives is so silly and childish. Each person should be judged on his or her own merits instead of being put into a little box, and labeled and categorized. Some people seem to derive comfort from labeling other people. When I began posting I was almost immediately labeled as an atheist or agnostic, liberal, possibly very left wing, and someone who felt superior to others. How astute to have analyzed me so quickly and so thoroughly. Knee jerk reactions are all too common here and seem to be a substitute for actual thought and analysis. It certainly takes less work.

Sorry for the off-topic remarks. We now return you to your regular station.


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A female teacher around here was sentenced to a year in jail today for having sex with a teen student a few years ago.

As for the pedophiles and the women married to them. Of course for the past year, we here in PA are living every news day with the Sandusky story. It's my opinion and many others, that Old Dottie should be indicted too . Jerry raped boys in her basement and when they cried for help, they were ignored. He's having sleepovers with 10 year old boys. I kinda think that would ring a bell if my husband came home with a little boy and said he's here for a sleepover tonight. Really?


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Hey to me it's like being a Catholic or a Mormon why would I wan't to join such a crew or If I had a child why on earth would I let them be a part of it.
Now that they have indicated how private and exclusive a group they are they need to be charged like other groups for anything they may currently get free from the Fed.
I'm not even sure if they get anything free not even worth looking up.


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I do believe they get federal money for building their camps, etc

Also... the U.S. military hosts the Boy Scouts at Fort A.P. Hill every year in a big, expensive National Jamboree event, which serves, in part, as recruitment opportunity. Preparing the base for the event, use of the space, etc. is all taxpayer funded.

State and local govts that receive HUD money have to provide them equal access to govt. lands and facilities.

The fact that the BSA discriminates doesn't seem to matter, but some localities have dropped the BSA from their United Way campaigns.


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This is why my son would never be allowed to join the Boy Scouts. IMO, if you allow your child to join that organization you are agreeing with and promoting their prejudices.

I did not know they receive federal money. What's up with that? That needs to stop.


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August is the month when Boy Sprouts go out to earn special badges(stinking badges?) by hiking certain trails or canoeing certain lakes and other ardurous sorts of things and they do these things primarily in National and State parks where the Rangers put on extra staff to do scoop up duty since the BS's have a habit of survival of the fittest-often leaving behind the ones that dont keep up. Fortunately Boy Sprouts are tough little buzzards and seldom die although when you find them up to their necks in a swamped canoe in a lake supplied by glacial melt it is hard to see how. Girl Scout leaders on the other hand seem to be more detail oriented. I would not send a boy I valued off on one of these expedtitons.


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A really really old snip from The Humanist:

"The Campfire Girls and Boys and the Girl Scouts have recognized the importance of nondiscriminatory policies; so have Boy Scout organizations throughout most of Europe. The BSA, therefore, is one of the last holdouts, an institution still clinging to the doctrine that "no boy can grow into the best kind of citizenship" without a backpack full of religious bigotry, sexism, and homophobia."


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Traumatize your kids - yer doing it right.

Aren't they tax-excempt?


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There's so much "stuff" to wade through but...

...if a troop's chartering organization is a church (and tax exempt), the troop could be considered tax exempt only if the church let the troop use the church's EIN (employer identification number), or the troop's EIN was included within the church's group exemption by the church.

Glad I made it through Brownies and Girl Scouts without all this. :-)


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I have a problem that a CHILD'S sexual orientation would determine a CHILD'S fitness for a particular CHILD'S organization. But as for this statement:

Let us not forget that in spite of relying heavily on women as "Den Mothers" they also do not allow girls. Weird organization. Why would any woman want a son indoctrinated by such a group?

It's a matter of simple physiology. If you're a BOY, you belong in BOY Scouts. If you're a GIRL, you belong in GIRL Scouts. See how that works?? Pretty simple if you ask me.


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and why would any woman deny her son the experience of dressing in bra and panties.


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What?


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Here's Mitt Saying this about that or maybe he was saying it about the other Thing.
MITT GETS WORSE!

Here is a link that might be useful: Mitt mash


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Chase,

My sarcasm is quite easy to figure out. If a boy wants to be a girl scout, then bra, panties and skirt are part of the uniform.


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  • Posted by bboy USDA 8 Sunset 5 WA (My Page) on
    Thu, Jul 19, 12 at 12:39

Well, skirt anyway. What's worn underneath varies.


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Sorry Brush...it went totally over my head!


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Same here!


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If sarcasm was meant to blow a hole through the domes of some self-reverential bubble dwellers, maybe we (generic) should stick to parody, humor, irony, satire...


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Chase,

I think he means that the uniform of the Girl Scouts is a skirt and blouse.

Although they may have modernized those uniforms into pants.


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Ah gee I thought it was about growing a pair


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Because Girl Scouts is about inclusion, they still to this day do not address if someone is gay or not. Although, as I have found out in my county, there are many gay leaders and staff.
Every so often, a man would become a Girl Scout leader. I really disagreed with this. Undertandably, maybe this was the only way to get that particular troop off the ground, but Girls Scouts is supposed to show that girls can be leaders. This is not the message when men are the leaders.
As for women being den mothers, from my understanding, and I can be wrong, the mom's do the weekly meetings, but the Dad's do the sleepover and camping.


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  • Posted by bboy USDA 8 Sunset 5 WA (My Page) on
    Thu, Jul 19, 12 at 18:07

>Because Girl Scouts is about inclusion<

Bonobos don't have the infanticide and cannibalism of chimpanzee troops because the females bunch together and keep the males from dominating.


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Oh I would have joined the Bonobos when I was a kid If I had a chance. You never see Bonobos at the zoo because parent's would just freeeeeeeeek out from all the sex.


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