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It's the economy and jobs stupid.

Posted by thegreatcob none (My Page) on
Fri, Aug 3, 12 at 1:52

this election is about the economy and jobs. all other issue are red herrings.
Iran and bomb lets just say the Israeli's if they feel threaten enough they nuke Iran. that happens the fear of darkest days of cold war will be nothing.

As for the economy and jobs who ever get elected will have those issues smack on center of there plate.


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RE: It's the economy and jobs stupid.

One would think.

It remains to be seen if jobs are really that important to the electorate.

It's easy enough to "get by" without one and unfortunately, "getting by" is good enough for many.


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RE: It's the economy and jobs stupid.

  • Posted by ohiomom 3rdrockfromthesun (My Page) on
    Fri, Aug 3, 12 at 7:03

Not to worry Romney says he will "create" 250K jobs per month for his first 4 years in office ... but I thought private business created jobs without any input from government/people but all on their own.

This politic stuff can be so confusing.


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RE: It's the economy and jobs stupid.

Likeability is also considered a determining factor and Obama seems to be ahead in this department...


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RE: It's the economy and jobs stupid.

No, it's not jobs or the economy. It's Romney's tax returns. Seems even the senate has no business to take care of. Harry Reid spent his time on the floor reiterating that he heard that Romney didn't pay taxes for ten years. Seems like his time could be better spent bringing up a few of that stack of bills that came out of the house that he won't allow to come up for a vote.


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RE: It's the economy and jobs stupid.

The economy is slowly coming back, very slowly to be sure. It will do what it does regardless of who is in the White House. As consumer confidence grows so will spending and then business will react.

Even the top business people say it has nothing to do with PERSONAL income tax if it did you would have zero unemployment given your incredibly low personal tax rate.

If anyone really cared about the economy they would be dealing with the National debt and the terrible fiscal cliff you face Dec 31st....but no they won't go there because they are frightened to do their jobs!


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RE: It's the economy and jobs stupid.

While I agree the economy and jobs are extremely important, if one of the candidates appears to be more likely to go into a war with Iran over Israel, I'd say that's pretty darn significant. Especially to those that me that have children who are registered in the draft.


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RE: It's the economy and jobs stupid.

Yes it is the economy that is important amongst other things as well, and Romney's tax returns play perfectly into the economy.

These tax returns do matter and matter far more than they would have if Romney had dropped his "typical high and mighty act" and just released them

Remember, this candidate is s millionaire, 250 times over or more for all we know. He keeps off shore bank accounts to save more money, something the majority of the people in this country can not do or take advantage of.

This candidate, that millionaire, 250 times over, wants to "play" voodoo economics, that stupid supply side economic game, that trickle down economic game that is supposed to provide the "trickle to the bottom people" by helping out the rich, the super rich, the big huge businesses.

That didn't work so well in the past. Don't know about anyone else on this forum, but that trickle down bit, never trickled down on me, my family or anyone else that I know.
Nor did it do a darn thing for this economy, except set it up for continued trouble that finally exploded on us and the world.

This millionaire candidate, 250 times over, wants to keep the tax credits for himself and his super rich pals and businesses, while the rest of us carry them and the tax burden on our backs; for what? so they can find all the loopholes in the tax codes they can take advantage of and ship their money to off shore accounts?

Yup, sure is the economy, but as usual, Romney and the GOP have no idea what the problems are, except how changes that would benefit this country and the majority of the people in it would screw them and their wallets and they might lose out on a bit of money that they can no longer save and shove into off shore bank accounts.

Yes it certainly is the economy, when people are struggling to keep health insurance, pay for health insurance, and can't afford it because they lost their jobs.

And the answer from this millionaire 250 times over candidate for the GOP is what? Oh yes, repeal "Obamacare", get rid of it and lets start all over again with a brand new. non existent GOP plan.

Is the problem with Obamacare that it doesn't allow for enough profits for the CEOs and the health insurance companies? Is that the problem? is it that the mantra for the GOP, things like "health insurance is not a right, it's a privilege" gets ruined? or is it that "personal responsibility thing" that is the problem and it provides health insurance coverage for just about everyone?

OH, I know, it's that socialist crap again and we can't be like all the other industrialized countries in the world that have some form of national health insurance.

Or, maybe it's fear, fear that if you provide health insurance for everyone, then the people on the bottom will rise up and take control and those top !% will not be at the top any more.

Yup, "it's the economy, stupid" and the people realize that, and they also realize that Romney's tax returns and how he is able to use and abuse the system, well he's afraid of that being found out and who knows what else he just might be hiding and it is part of the economy.

The people aren't going to forget it, nor will they forget that the GOP just wants to destroy the every day person in this country.

OH, yes, social issues do matter and they are intertwined in the economy and people realize that one as well.


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RE: It's the economy and jobs stupid.

Many voters we know - many of them unemployed, under-employed, unemployable, disabled, retired etc will vote for the candidate that promises the most handouts.

Regardless of who's elected, their future job and self employment opportunities will depend on their college education, technical education, certifications, knowledge, skills, soft skills, work ethic, location, demand for their skills etc.


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RE: It's the economy and jobs stupid.

Mark, you could change the words to read:

Many voters we know - many of them very wealthy and benefiting from favorable tax laws etc. will vote for the candidate who promises the most handouts.

I suspect most people vote consistently for the party or candidate they identify which would explain why Middle Class Republicans would vote to have their taxes raised by Romney or Dems would vote for Clinton even after he reformed welfare and cut benefits.


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K it would be interesting to hear your thoughts over on that other post about this actual tax plan. Yucks are fun but substance is well what you'll be paying on later than sooner!


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RE: It's the economy and jobs stupid.

Romeny was here in Swing State Colo yesterday, unveiling his economic plan.

begin quote:

"Energy independence: Increase domestic resources, streamline permitting, ease coal rules, approve Keystone XL pipeline.

Skills to succeed: Improve access to quality primary schools and affordable higher education, align job training with opportunities, attract best talent from abroad.

Trade: Curtail unfair trade practices, open new markets, build stronger ties in Latin America, strengthen global free enterprise.

Federal deficit: Cut nonsecurity-discretionary spending by 5 percent, cap federal spending below 20 percent of GDP, give states responsibility for more programs, consolidate agencies, align federal pay with the private sector.

Small business: Reduce taxes on job creators, simplify regulations, reduce union influence, replace health-care law with proposals that control costs.

End quote.

Which will create 12 million jobs, he tells us. Bit short on details, to be sure.

/strum stum "unicorns dancing, flying through the sky-eye-eye.... strum strum

Here is a link that might be useful: link


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  • Posted by vgkg 7-Va Tidewater (My Page) on
    Fri, Aug 3, 12 at 10:13

For me it's Trust. Romney likes keeping secrets, flip flops on a whim to hide his true opinions. As prez there will be absolutely no transparency. His business will be none of our business even when we the people are his business.


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Love The Onion's comment today:

WASHINGTON - Following a two-day meeting to discuss the country's continually disappointing employment numbers, officials from the Federal Reserve announced Friday that if jobs are really meant to be with the American people, they'll return of their own volition. "Listen, if it's meant to be, it'll happen," said Fed chairman Ben Bernanke, adding that there's no point in purchasing new mortgage-backed securities or keeping the federal funds rate near zero percent "if both parties don't want this to work." "We can't spend all our time and energy trying to force this. We have to let them do their own thing, and if they don't come back, then maybe we were just never meant to be together." Bernanke confirmed that, while he is realistic about the slim chance of jobs ever actually returning, Americans should "always leave the door open" in case things change in the future.

All politics aside, you gotta admit, those writers are funny.


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I really don't care who the president is. One elitist isn't much worse than another.

Meet the new boss, Same as the old boss...


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They are, and I really like Obama's new campaign slogan.

CHICAGO�After coming to terms with the limited scope of what he can realistically expect to accomplish as president, Barack Obama announced Wednesday a new, more practical campaign slogan that will serve as the cornerstone for his 2012 reelection bid: "I Have Big Ideas But We'll See How It Goes."

"My fellow citizens, I stand here today to tell you that, if given a second term, I have very big plans for our nation's future," Obama said during a rally at Chicago's Navy Pier. "Ambitious, forward-thinking plans I will have to drastically scale down based on opinion polls, budget considerations, and political roadblocks, but, you know, I'll see what I can do. No promises, though."

Here is a link that might be useful: link


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Thanks, mrskjun. Dontcha know those people go home thinking "I have the BEST job ever!"


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RE: It's the economy and jobs stupid.

The employment situation of most of the unemployed, under-employed job seekers we know won't change until they acquire educations, training, re-training, skills, knowledge and experience in high demand growth industries.

Even then, many without high demand portable skill sets will have to relocate, or commute to regions with demand for their skill sets.


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RE: It's the economy and jobs stupid.

Okay I know this is a talking point. But there are issues that do make up the economy.

We have a global economy. If Europe fails our economy gets sick. Do we need to remind everyone of the wonderful job Romney did on his foreign trip? Have you looked at his policy?

All the issues of what will be done, what has been done has to be taken into consideration when making a decision of who you vote to run the Country. One sentence that is said to you "It is the economy" will not make thinking voters vote for you.

If people cannot look at entire issues and analyze the desired outcome why say "it is the economy" If saying you are voting because you heard "Its the economy and Jobs" you are STUDPID. you are voting on a comment and not the desired result. So that last word STUPID does fit.


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RE: It's the economy and jobs stupid.

JOBS JOBS JOBS!!! Is that why congress took up the English only bill yesterday? JOBS!


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Maggie, that silly hearing was the last thing the GOP did before Boehner released the House for the rest of the summer without passing drought relief or taking up the bipartisan farm bill that the Senate passed in June which did have relief for cattle ranchers (and cut the deficit by $23 billion). Take that ranchers and farmers. The Tea Party obstructionists are taxed enough already and don't know or care about the plight of farmers and ranchers.


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RE: It's the economy and jobs stupid.

Isn't it really the same thing? The economy and unemployment are in bad shape because of the wars America has been fighting. War is expensive. It is also a massive transfer of wealth from citizens to the elite.


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  • Posted by kwoods Cold z7 Long Is (My Page) on
    Fri, Aug 3, 12 at 13:03

"It remains to be seen if jobs are really that important to the electorate. It's easy enough to "get by" without one and unfortunately, "getting by" is good enough for many."

I just read on another thread that Romney has been unemployed "getting by" since 2006.... but at least he's looking.


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RE: It's the economy and jobs stupid.

The last thing in the Republicans want is strong improvement in the jobs numbers. This report was very strong but more importantly it saw growth in manufacturing and entertainment and food services and for the first time in a long time, professional services. Must be giving them ulcers.

I am a tad surprised though that they are risking ticking off the farmers and ranchers by not passing the farms bill.


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You are kidding right? In May the unemployment rate was 8.2%, now it's 8.3% and that is called an improvement? Wow...really?


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Small Correction

Despite the seemingly good news, the report's household survey showed that the actual amount of Americans working dropped by 195,000, with the net job gain resulting primarily from seasonal adjustments in the establishment survey. The birth-death model, which approximates net job growth from newly added or closed businesses, added 52,000 to the total.

The household survey also showed 150,000 fewer Americans in the workforce

Here is a link that might be useful: Obama adviser: Jobless rate is really 8.254%


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RE: It's the economy and jobs stupid.

If people cannot look at entire issues and analyze the desired outcome why say "it is the economy" If saying you are voting because you heard "Its the economy and Jobs" you are STUDPID. you are voting on a comment and not the desired result. So that last word STUPID does fit.

DH has been saying, for the last couple of years, "It's the STUPID ELECTORATE, stupid."


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RE: It's the economy and jobs stupid.

I'm not kidding and either are any of the economist when they say the economy is looking up.

Why did the unemployment number tick up Mrs? Do you know and just don't care to comment or don't you know? Given you never answer I'll answer for you.

It ticked up because, seeing more opportunity, more people jumped back into the job seeking market and because of additional layoffs in the public sector...which should please you.

Republicans hate it when the economy improves......it's bad for business, their personal agenda business.


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RE: It's the economy and jobs stupid.

Things suck but don't see how you can spin this different. One of the worst things is unemployment is the worst for veterans.


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RE: It's the economy and jobs stupid.

Chase...read what you wrote please. "It ticked up because, seeing more opportunity, more people jumped back into the job seeking market and because of additional layoffs in the public sector...."

well chase, you might want to read over that a few times and reconsider answering for me.


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nope I'm good.


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okey dokey...so more people jumped back into the job seeking market and what does that have to do with the unemployment rate? Are we counting them twice or something?


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my chart didn't show...I will try later. It showed job growth from 2007 to July 2012.


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Are we counting them twice or something?

They are not counted when they are not looking. So when the job market picks up and the prospects look good, they come back into the market, briefly making the unemployment rate rise even though the total number of jobs created went up.


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RE: It's the economy and jobs stupid.

They calculate the two from different sources. The jobs data, they ask a whole buncha businesses if they're hiring and firing.

For the unemployment data, they survey families to see who's looking for work.

Neither use the first time unemployment benefits claim, which is reported separately.

DOW up 216 on the good news.


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how do they make the unemployment number rise esh? If they were already counted when they lost employment, why would they be counted again when they start looking for employment?

"In July, the number of long-term unemployed (those jobless for 27 weeks and over) was
little changed at 5.2 million. These individuals accounted for 40.7 percent of the
unemployed. (See table A-12.)"

And remember they revised Junes numbers from 80,000 new jobs to 64,000 new jobs created, which turns out to be less than May.


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"how do they make the unemployment number rise esh? If they were already counted when they lost employment, why would they be counted again when they start looking for employment? '

That is not how the number is calculated Mrs....is a count of people looking for work..not out of work.


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chase has the answer: a count of people looking for work..not out of work

That's why they say sometimes the unemployment rate goes down just because some people STOP looking.


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ahhh gotcha, you mean like the real unemployment rate is 18% but 8.3% are actively looking for work, and the rest have given up?


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RE: It's the economy and jobs stupid.

Yes, you could put it that way.


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The Great Cob?
LOL.
I wonder how many more new IDs we will see weighing in before the election.


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or never intend to work......

Facts are that IS how the number is derived Mrs...like it or not. It is the number actively looking for work NOT those that don't work.


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RE: It's the economy and jobs stupid.

As for the number of jobs Romney created at Bain, his campaign comes up with the figure of 100,000. That counts all the jobs at the companies they invested in, long after he sold out.

Others at the Wall Street Journal look at it differently. Bain wasn't the only investor, and if you look at the percentage of the company that Bain owned, and then calculate the jobs that were created when Bain still was an investor, it comes out a bit less. Like less than 1.500 jobs.

To be fair, Romney wasn't investing to create jobs, he was investing to make himself and his share holders a boat load of money. And that he did.

Here is a link that might be useful: link to WSJ article on jobs Mitt created


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RE: It's the economy and jobs stupid.

ahhh gotcha, you mean like the real unemployment rate is 18% but 8.3% are actively looking for work, and the rest have given up?

Yes, and many of those people sitting out for now will try again to get a job when the economy improves and jobs are available that they can apply for and this will drive the unemployment rate up again temporarily.


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George Bush would have killed for 163,000 job add in one month.

Interesting when you look into the numbers...manufacturing up, government jobs down, temporary jobs up...our economy is in the middle of a fundamental reshaping that no one yet knows what the future will bring.


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Posted by marquest z5 PA (My Page) on Fri, Aug 3, 12 at 11:22

"If people cannot look at entire issues and analyze the desired outcome why say "it is the economy" If saying you are voting because you heard "Its the economy and Jobs" you are STUDPID."

"STUDPID" I picture a really good looking clueless guy; a real "studpid".

There. That ought to stop my laughing fit. Excuse me ;)


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RE: It's the economy and jobs stupid.

I wonder if the rate ticked up because of all the new graduates who are now starting to look for work. Kind of a seasonal thing.


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The ones-who-plan-to-vote-for-Romney are just disappointed that the jobs report was decent (not great, mine you, but decent).


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Interesting thought JZ. hubby wondered the same thing.


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RE: It's the economy and jobs stupid.

My father, who was raised on a farm, often said that most people don't produce anything - farmers and those who extract resources from the earth are the only real producers. I disagreed, as people who worked in factories produced something tangible and others produced services that benefitted a whole lot of people. But I started thinking about what he said, to wit:

A farmer growns a wheat crop. He has to buy seed, fertilizer, herbicides, gas for his equipment, etc. He might employ workers to help him. At harvest time, he pays to get the crop to market. The elevator in his local town buys it or brokers it and sells it to flour mills who employ workers to turn it into flour, after it has been transported by rail or truck to the mill. Then the flour is sold to wholesalers or directly to baking companies, who employ people. Eventually, it ends up in a bakery or grocery store. Lots and lots of people have derived an income from what the farmer (collectively, not just one) has done.

Compare that to Mitt Romney. He borrows or uses investors money to buy companies, whittles down the workforce to increase profits and then, eventually sells the company at a profit, which is distributed to himself and the investors. In the process, rarely are new jobs created as they were already there in the company he purchased. If he didn't take out huge loans to saddle the company with the company might continue to make widgets. But, in many cases, the company went bankrupt due to the loans it had been saddled with and either went out of business or reorganized, causing job losses.

To get a good idea of how this happened in many towns in the U.S., where the companies Bain bought were the best employers in the town where people had worked their entire lives, only to be left with no job and no prospects and losing their homes, go to YouTube and find "When Mitt Romney Came to Town". It's 28 minutes long but worth watching. It has happened in many small towns affecting the employment rate (negatively) in almost every state in the union.

So, who are the job creators? It's pretty obvious to me.


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Posted by kwoods Cold z7 Long Is (My Page) on Fri, Aug 3, 12 at 13:03

"I just read on another thread that Romney has been unemployed "getting by" since 2006.... but at least he's looking."

"...but at least he's looking."

That's witty! ;D


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Tax the largest companies and people 50% and use the money to build the infrastructure for solar power - mirrors and steam turbines, photovoltaic cells, compressed hydrogen and/or batteries. All workers on the project must be paid between 5 and 15 times the minimum wage and materials must be purchased at 5% above cost.

Sounds good, can we get that one on the ballot?


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Posted by vgkg 7-Va Tidewater (My Page) on Fri, Aug 3, 12 at 10:13

For me it's Trust. Romney likes keeping secrets, flip flops on a whim to hide his true opinions. As prez there will be absolutely no transparency. His business will be none of our business even when we the people are his business.
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This is word for word how I feel and think about Obama.

What a coincidence most of us think this very statement
also but about the other candidate.

Flip-flopping for Obama though has really escalated here
at election time.

The only thing he has been transparent about so far is
his acts regarding same-sex marriage, free
ride for illegal aliens etc etc etc.
Any thing he lays his seal on now is for votes.
It doesn't matter if he believes in it or not.

His flip-flopping is sooooo self-serving.
Meet Mr. Obama...the self-serving candidate.


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Free ride for illegal aliens? You mean a free ride back across the border? That's Obama's record accomplishment (deportation) so what are you talking about? Opposition to voter ID? He's open about that and there are pitifully few examples of any voter fraud much less undocumented immigrants voting. Free clinical services? That was increased under Republicans too? Dream Act? That was in his campaign. I can't imagine what you have dreamed up considering the bizarre conspiracy theories out there. Romney is not revealing his taxes, his business history, his donors, he won't say what spending cuts he will make - he says to trust him.


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he says to trust him.

Sorry, been there done that and what did that get this country?

Richard Nixon.

trust me, I got a secret plan, can't tell you what the secret plan is cause then it won't be secret and the enemy will know what the secret plan is, but trust me, I got a secret plan.

OH, that secret plan? it wasn't to get out of Vietnam, it was to expand the war and keep it going.

Got us, the first president to resign in office, before he was, for legit reasons, impeached, tried and found guilty of enough crimes to lock him up for quite some time.

Got us a divided country like I never thought could exist or would see again and shockingly it is worse now then back then.

It had, for the first time a huge long time, a united congress on both sides of the aisle, pushing and telling Nixon to resign before it was too late.

And we should trust Romney because he says to and does't tell us a thing about why we should trust him with his plans that he doesn't tell us what the are?

History sure does repeat itself and cripes it's coming from the GOP again, trust me, trust me, trust me cause I said so, not because it's a good idea and you told us why.

CW, I have no idea where you come up with these claims you have against Obama, they have to be in your head or something or you are falling for the fox news talking point stuff because what you claim is way, way off base and there is nothing to back up the statements that you are making.

On the other hand, when it comes to Romney, we do have the info to back up the claims, the questions, the absurd comments that he makes and the flip flopping he has done for years.

And yes, you better believe I am biased against Romney. Doesn't take much to be either, just live under his governorship and you will feel the same way.

Even his own GOP party in MA was not happy with him as Governor or the things that he did.

And Oh, yes, I have a serious problem with any politician that claims he was so proud and honored to serve the people of MA as Governor and then turns around and makes the people that he was so proud to serve and the state he was governor of and the butt of his jokes.

That's one sick politician, one sick person and one that is not deserving of any votes for President.

He isn't a welcome figure in MA, doesn't have much support and if you truly bothered to check his record as Governor, with honest sites, honest info, you will find that he wasn't much of a governor, nor are his claims in his ads he runs true.


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"Any thing he lays his seal on now is for votes."

I don't think you nee to worry about that too much given your Congress doesn't seem to be able to get their act together enough to send him anything.

As far as President Obama flip flopping. Other than his position on same sex marriage, which some consider flip flopping, could you be more specific on what he has "flip flopped" on?


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As far as President Obama flip flopping. Other than his position on same sex marriage, which some consider flip flopping, could you be more specific on what he has "flip flopped" on?

Chase, you got to consider the source - they think compromise is a flip flop. I've heard some argue that Obama flip flopped when he extended the Bush tax cuts in exchange for the payroll tax cut.


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  • Posted by vgkg 7-Va Tidewater (My Page) on
    Sat, Aug 4, 12 at 16:57

Citywoman, if my words match your thoughts about Obama then we'll just have to let our gut, heart, mind, and a dash of unknown to choose the better candidate. Side by side, knowing what I do know about Obama after 4 years and what I don't know about Romney after 8 I'll trust my instincts as you will yours.


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Posted by vgkg 7-Va Tidewater (My Page) on Sat, Aug 4, 12 at 16:57

"Citywoman, if my words match your thoughts about Obama then we'll just have to let our gut, heart, mind, and a dash of unknown to choose the better candidate. Side by side, knowing what I do know about Obama after 4 years and what I don't know about Romney after 8 I'll trust my instincts as you will yours."

Great statement, IMO. :D


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More evidence it is sooo like about jobs likeee....

A conservative group led by longtime political activist Ralph Reed has budgeted $10 million for a major 2012 election push to turn out the religious right and block a second term for President Barack Obama, a top executive with his organization told the Huffington Post.

The Faith and Freedom Coalition's effort, which will include voter registration drives at NASCAR races in Florida, Virginia and other key swing states, is part of a much broader attempt to reactivate millions of socially conservative voters to not only defeat Obama but help some favorite conservative congressional candidates.

Concerned Women for America, a Christian advocacy group, already has run $6 million in ads in six battleground states including New Hampshire and Wisconsin, warning that the White House-backed health care law might limit patient care and increase the federal deficit.

The Pennsylvania-based Let Freedom Ring quietly cobbled together a nonpartisan 2,000-member pastor network to spur voter registration efforts and is planning a multi-million dollar ad drive this fall focused on social, economic and foreign policy issues, according to Colin Hanna, president of the organization.

Propping up this trio of right-leaning organizations are several of the countrys wealthiest conservatives. Home Depot co-founder Bernie Marcus and John Templeton Jr., who runs a family foundation, are offering financial support, as are organization that receive funding from the billionaire Koch brothers, according to two GOP fundraisers familiar with the separate operations of the three groups.

The ramped-up involvement of these groups is the clearest sign to date that cultural debates long thought to be a side topic in the 2012 election, may still play a role. The Faith and Freedom Coalition, Concerned Women for America, Let Freedom Ring and other allies plan to focus heavily on a few hot-button social and economic issues, including the president's support for same-sex marriage, to fire up their base.

Conservative leaders note that evangelical voters, who historically made up as much as 25 percent of the overall electorate, can be especially important in determining the next president in swing states like Florida, Ohio, Pennsylvania and Virginia.

Richard Land, the president of the Ethics and Religious Liberty Commission, an arm of the 16 million-member Southern Baptist Convention, told The Huffington Post that he believes evangelical concerns about Obama administration policies will allow conservative religious voters to "overlook any lingering reservations about [Mitt] Romney's Mormonism." The Commission itself is spending a few hundred thousand dollars to promote a nonpartisan voter registration and education drive that will compare the platforms of the two parties on numerous key issues.

Land also predicted that Romneys recent trip to Israel would give him a boost with evangelicals and agreed with the presumptive GOP presidential nominee's controversial comments that "cultural" factors were important in explaining the economic success of Israel compared with the Palestinians. The statement, he said, showed that Romney "was sympathetic to the social conservative world view."

On the domestic front, Land predicted that many evangelicals and social conservatives would "want to bury Obamacare in a lead coffin with a stake through its heart and cover its grave with garlic," calling the law, "a codification and personification of pro-abortion policies."

The message is likely to be amplified by other religious conservatives. The $10 million that Reed's Georgia-based Faith and Freedom Coalition now expects to spend is double what the group raised in 2010. Claiming 500,000 members and chapters in 30 states, the group is planning to place much of that money behind efforts to bring out the religious vote, Executive Director Gary Marx told Huffington Post.

Two GOP fundraisers familiar with the coalitions operations said it has received financial backing from Bernie Marcus of Atlanta and a nonprofit group partly subsidized by the Koch Brothers. Asked to comment, Marx said, "Our donors are private individuals and we let them make their own determinations about discussing publicly their private giving."

Faith and Freedom intends to focus on several big swing states including Florida, Ohio and Virginia, and used micro-targeting tools to refine its target lists. Marx added that they are already working with allies like United in Purpose, a California-based group that specializes in online voter data mining and reportedly has garnered sizable funding from Silicon Valley conservatives. United in Purpose is run by Bill Dallas, a former real estate executive who served five years in San Quentin prison in the early 1990s for embezzlement and then wrote a book about his experiences. Before United in Purpose, Dallas spent a decade as the founder and head of the now-bankrupt Church Communication Network, an internet firm that served about 6,000 churches nationwide

The Faith and Freedom Coalition also plans an ambitious get-out-the-vote effort that will target 18 million registered conservative religious voters via phone, email and door-knocking, said Marx, adding that an estimated 17 million evangelical voters either werent registered or didnt vote in 2008.

Founded in 2009, the coalition has benefited from Reeds strong ties to conservative heavyweights including Karl Rove, the co-founder of American Crossroads, and Tim Phillips, president of the Koch-backed nonprofit Americans for Prosperity.

Now, Reed has attended some strategy meetings that Crossroads hosts with several leading conservative groups. Those periodic sessions are aimed at organizing a $1 billion campaign effort to help the GOP win big in 2012.

On another social conservative front in Pennsylvania, Let Freedom Ring is planning to mount its seven-figure, issue-ad blitz this October, in hopes of defeating Obama in the critical swing state, where the president is leading. Hanna, the organization's president, promised a voter-registration and education drive to spur evangelicals, Catholics and other social conservatives, saying Pennsylvania is "more in jeopardy for Obama than recent polls suggest."

To defeat Obama in the state, Let Freedom Ring also is counting on a big hand from Sam Rohrer, an 18-year veteran of the state legislature and a former head of the Pennsylvania chapter of Americans for Prosperity. Rohrer told Huffington Post that since joining the group last month hes been "building the network and encouraging pastors to be more bold."

"As a nation were in trouble and until we reach out to God rather than government well be in trouble," he said.

Here is a link that might be useful: Koch and a Amen!


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  • Posted by vgkg 7-Va Tidewater (My Page) on
    Sun, Aug 5, 12 at 18:40

Mitt Romney 2012
God Help Us...Win!


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Vgkg, I cannot figure out why the Romney campaign has not snapped you up.


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  • Posted by vgkg 7-Va Tidewater (My Page) on
    Mon, Aug 6, 12 at 9:36

Perhaps it's because I wasn't a member of the previous Bush team?

Mitt Romney 2012
The "W" is Silent


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Good one!


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maggie2094
I read your post and got goosebumps.
I felt like I was reading the
Proclamation of Independence. lol

Thanks for making me feel I had just been to a big
Romney rally! :):)


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For me, it's not the economy, it's not the person, it's the party. Keeping the rot that is the Republican party out of government is the important thing. The Republican party contaminates everything.

-Ron-


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Get ready to get contaminated Ron. For the senate we are looking at 47 dems 44 repubs and 9 tossups. Of the 9 toss ups, 7 repubs are ahead in the polls. :)


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Uh, it depends on which polls you look at but you knew that.


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