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Doomsday screamers / Obama re-election

Posted by circuspeanut 5 (My Page) on
Sat, Aug 25, 12 at 8:35

Many of you will have seen the much-read article this morning about the county judge in Lubbock, Texas, who has called for raising property taxes to fund a militia to fight the UN soldiers Obama will surely be bringing in to conquer any Texan resistance if he gets re-elected.

This sort of thinking appears so insane one simply wants to call for lithium to be piped in the public water of such places.

But on a more serious note, where exactly do people get these doomsday ideas about the leadership of our country? This is just a more extreme version of things I've heard said on this very forum. Someone (was it perhaps Demifloyd?) wrote recently that they fear for their children's future if Obama is re-elected.

There is a long history of folks of all political persuasions threatening to "move to Canada" if their candidate loses, but this doomsday thinking appears to be so much more extreme, and appears to center around our current President in ways I've never experienced before. Yes, there is the undeniable race discomfort, whereby some people are unnerved by a political figure they feel they can't identify with and perhaps are threatened by, but there have been many major black politicians before. It's an element, surely, but not the only one.

Speculating further on this, I see clear links in this thought process to American Protestant fundamentalism, which relies heavily on apocalyptic messages of doom, if the enormous billboards smugly depicting a burning earth and shrieking "unsaved" souls are representative. (And they are.)

What do you think explains it?

Here is a link that might be useful: Judge Tom Head


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These ideas did not originate with this Texan. I've heard the same thoughts spouted from one of my Fundie Evangelical Christian acquaintences. It's been around for some time: distrust of the UN, fear of it being granted too much power, fear of the environmentalists stripping away others' rights, fears of a race war in the US, now that whites are coming to be a minority, no longer the majority. It's the same ideas skinheads espouse, but now there is a Black man as president, so there is a definite target. And how better than to couch these ugly ideas than within an Evangelical, end-of-the-world, pseudo-Christian dogma??? Fear explains it; fear of the "other", fear of losing control.


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The UN has categorically denied any plans to invade Texas......of course, that's what they would say.

It's absolutely ridiculous," said U.N. Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon's spokesman, Martin Nesirky, when asked if the United Nations had any plans to invade Texas.

Here is a link that might be useful: Foreign Policy


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I'm not sure it is anything more than coming unglued because their president is black.
They are fear based people. Fear based people tend to gravitate to these fundamental churches. Pseudo Christian. I like that.
There is a movie out 2016, Love Him Hate Him, You Don't Know Him based on Danesh D'souza's book on Obama.
I suspect that the person that said she feared for our country if he was re-elected may have read the book.


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As we keep saying, you just can't make this stuff up, and it keeps getting better and better!

The GOP might as well hand the Presidency to Obama for a second term with the way things are going and the things Republican representatives are saying out loud, in public. How pathetic!

The Judge's own fellow state leaders are laughing at him, and according to an article out of a San Francisco newspaper, said they were "hoping he's just off his meds." Although other news stories cited racial reasons, among other crazy suppositions.

Good grief... what has happened to some people? Are they truly this against the color clash between the current President and the White House's paint color, or what?

It makes me wonder why the Presidential housing was named as it was...


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I don't know if I said that--but I do fear for the future of my children, and everyone's future, as well as mine, if Barack Obama is reelected to a second term.

I also fear for their future if anyone else is elected.

So why the misrepresentation and speculation about what I read/anyone else reads?

I have NOT read the book but I HAVE ordered the book about Barack Obama, "The Amateur." The title comes from what Bill Clinton called him.

I am not ill informed, I am not manipulated, I think for myself, and I am not the bogeyman as much as you people want to portray me and other conservatives as such.

Get used to the fact that half the country doesn't agree with you--it's okay, really.

If you are really secure in your opinions, why talk about other people as though they aren't as bright as you are (comments like "how can they think that way?" "they are faux news parrots, they don't live in reality," and other asinine statements) and disparage them?

I don't see conservatives talking about liberals the way you liberals talk about conseratives, on a purely speculative and personal level.

Why the sick and petty need to do these things?
Why can't you just give your opinion, explain why you feel that way or not, and leave the opinions of others as just that?

Why the need to insult people and disparage them?

I learned as a child that people that aren't secure are always looking to tear others down.

That says VOLUMES about the comments on this forum.

By the way, I won't be forwarding a reading list, but it is just SICK that anyone even THINKS much less speculates in black and white what I read or anyone else on this forum reads.

Sick and pathetic.


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mighty defensive about a book you haven't read.


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I do fear for the future of my children, and everyone's future, as well as mine, if Barack Obama is reelected to a second term.

Can someone that is of this mind that the US will be something we do not recognize is going to happen?

If you cannot explain this thinking then you are a Parrot repeating what you hear. By the time you are of age to vote you should have put away the boggie man is under my bed fear should not exist in your head.


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Well Demi..I REALLY fear for my country , my kids and grandkids and myself if Romney gets elected. He will take this country to ruin as Bush did with his two ten year wars. Don't underestimate that Romney and pack of war mongers will get us in a war with Iran...just because we can. They call Obama an appeaser because he tries to prevent wars.

I fear for my country because of the extreme anti environmental policies of Romney and ilk.

I fear the whole Supreme Court will turn right wing and reverse Roe. They are desperately trying that now before he even gets elected. Many Supremes are elderly and not well and will be replaced in the next four years.

I fear religion will worm it's way into our government even THOUGH the founding father didn't want it and in fact most were atheists.

I fear we will be hated world wide as were were when Bush was President because Romney is a laughing stock already.

I fear for a lot more but I need to water my garden. I'm sure I'll come up with more.

Get used to it, Demi ...half the country doesn't agree with you and we are no more nasty than your party, that's for sure with the crap coming out of their mouths.


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Can someone that is of this mind that the US will be something we do not recognize is going to happen?

If you cannot explain this thinking then you are a Parrot repeating what you hear. By the time you are of age to vote you should have put away the boggie man is under my bed fear should not exist in your head.

This is nothing. Haven't you heard the one where Obama plants rabble rousers in major cities to start race riots, as well as having someone fake an assassination attempt so that he can "legally" suspend indefinitely the elections and impose martial law? Supposedly leaked to the Canadian Free Press by a DHS insider.

Here is a link that might be useful: I'm NOT kidding


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Everything old becomes new, once again.

Richard Hofstadter, The Paranoid Style in American Politics, 1964

American politics has often been an arena for angry minds. In recent years we have seen angry minds at work mainly among extreme right-wingers, who have now demonstrated in the Goldwater movement how much political leverage can be got out of the animosities and passions of a small minority. But behind this I believe there is a style of mind that is far from new and that is not necessarily right-wing. I call it the paranoid style simply because no other word adequately evokes the sense of heated exaggeration, suspiciousness, and conspiratorial fantasy that I have in mind. In using the expression "paranoid style" I am not speaking in a clinical sense, but borrowing a clinical term for other purposes. I have neither the competence nor the desire to classify any figures of the past or present as certifiable lunatics., In fact, the idea of the paranoid style as a force in politics would have little contemporary relevance or historical value if it were applied only to men with profoundly disturbed minds. It is the use of paranoid modes of expression by more or less normal people that makes the phenomenon significant.

Of course this term is pejorative, and it is meant to be; the paranoid style has a greater affinity for bad causes than good. But nothing really prevents a sound program or demand from being advocated in the paranoid style. Style has more to do with the way in which ideas are believed than with the truth or falsity of their content. I am interested here in getting at our political psychology through our political rhetoric. The paranoid style is an old and recurrent phenomenon in our public life which has been frequently linked with movements of suspicious discontent.


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If Obama is re-elected, I doubt we'll see the same run on ammunition as occurred after the 2008 election.

Mainly because everybody who was worried about that has stockpiled enough to keep them going for hundreds of years.


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What I don't understand is what exactly people think the President will do if reelected that is so catastrophic.

He has promised to bring the deficit down through a combination of entitlement cuts and revenue. That is hardly radical.


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"I also fear for their future if anyone else is elected." - demifloyd.

That statement confused me (and I don't like being confused) so by "anyone else" are you referring to another democrat or Romney. And if so, then what do you want to see happen. Ya gotta have a president - for better or worse.


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Chase, President Obama has been subjected to a campaign to cast him as 'the other.' No rational thought is needed for fear and paranoia to take command.

The following quote should be updated to incude the Twenty-First Century.

The problem of the Twentieth Century is the problem of the color line. ~ W.E.B. DuBois

I think that there would still be paranoia regarding President Obama were he of European descent. The precedent was set by the paranoia and general craziness of the right - Hillary killed Vince Foster! - during the President Clinton's term in office. The first offense is being a Democrat, and from there it degenerates according to race, ethnicity, religion, geographical home, etc.

One commonality between right and left this campaign season is the willingness of some to believe in a Mormon conspiracy. On the left, this would go beyond simple objections to Romney's positions against same-gender marriage and women's full rights to reproductive health. For the right, the animosity of fundamentalists to Mormonism has been well documented.


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If Obama is re-elected, I doubt we'll see the same run on ammunition as occurred after the 2008 election.
Mainly because everybody who was worried about that has stockpiled enough to keep them going for hundreds of years.

You mean like NOAA requisitioning 45,000 rounds of hollow point ammo?

Here is a link that might be useful: Should I be ascared?


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I still think it boils down to the lowest common denominator... the prospect of four more years of a Black, Muslim, non-citizen, America hater, socialist, did I mention Black, because Rush, Beck, and Palin say he's just so wrong on all accounts, and not to mention Black in the White House. To many it's not called "The White House" for nothing.

It just galls them so! And it has nothing to do with promises, policies, etc. I'd hate myself for being so hatefully ignorant.


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Posted by nancy_in_venice_ca SS24 z10 CA (My Page) on Sat, Aug 25, 12 at 14:01

"The problem of the Twentieth Century is the problem of the color line. ~ W.E.B. DuBois
I think that there would still be paranoia regarding President Obama were he of European descent."

What a knucklehead. What was the president's mother? Chopped liver? You ignore the fact that if his birth certificate is indeed correct, the president's departed mother was white; presumably "of European descent". I'll explain briefly how that works. This means that Barack Obama IS OF EUROPEAN DESCENT.

Actually, it seems that the president's mother was 100% white. There's speculation as to whether his father had middle eastern (i.e., Arab ancestors) or not. So, it's quite possible Barack Obama is actually more white than black. Wish you'd get over this race thing.

That being said, I agree that there would still be paranoia re Barack Obama no matter what color you consider him to be. It's not his shade, it's HIM.


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No offense to the Texans here, but why on earth would anyone want to invade Texas?


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"There's speculation as to whether his father had middle eastern (i.e., Arab ancestors) or not."

Yes, there is that speculation .................. from nut job conspiracy theorists who claim that he is Muslim.


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"No offense to the Texans here, but why on earth would anyone want to invade Texas?"

Maybe 'cause of the number of 'Chick-Fil-A' restaurants. Jus' guessing here.


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"There's speculation as to whether his father had middle eastern (i.e., Arab ancestors) or not."

Yes, there is that speculation .................. from nut job conspiracy theorists who claim that he is Muslim.


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I don't think this country can stand four more years of prosperity.


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Posted by frank_il z5Illinois (My Page) on Sat, Aug 25, 12 at 15:57

""There's speculation as to whether his father had middle eastern (i.e., Arab ancestors) or not.""

"Yes, there is that speculation .................. from nut job conspiracy theorists who claim that he is Muslim."

Frank, Barack Obama wouldn't have inherited Islam. I'm sure there are plenty of people of middle eastern descent who are not Muslims.

Now, I can't say how many people make the jump you just did; I'm not one of them. If you have a problem with muslims, you're not the first to have trepidation about people who practice other faiths. Plenty of people were uncomfortable about JFK being Catholic.


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"I don't think this country can stand four more years of prosperity."

Don't worry Bush, if Romney gets in there'll mostly be poverty, only the right people will have the misfortune to suffer from prosperity.


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I wouldn't have time to daydream about the spectre of a Romney "prosperity". I'd be too busy with my Medicare vouchers.


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....and he will take the country to war in a heart beat. War is money and Romney is all about money. Never mind the cost in human treasure or further deepening of the National Debt, already awash in war debt, he will take you to war again because it is good for "business".

Have a good sleep all you Romney supporters.


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And Obama committed to Afghanistan through 2024. Or have you forgotten that? So no need to worry about what the next president will have to do, it's all set up for him.

Do drone killings count? Or is that permissible to most of you so called peace loving liberals?

Does anybody know how many children are suffering and dying due to the sanctions against Iran? I didn't think so. Maybe two of you know or care.


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..and Romney will stop all that, bring the troops home and never send American men and women in harms way again.

" Does anybody know how many children are suffering and dying due to the sanctions against Iran? I didn't think so. Maybe two of you know or care."

brush, you are beyond insulting with your comments. You are not the only guy to get it, not the only father or relative to suffer, you don't own the sadness and tragedy of those of us who have had loved ones injured or killed.....you aren't special.


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Posted by brushworks Zone5-Ohio (My Page) on Sat, Aug 25, 12 at 18:39

"Does anybody know how many children are suffering and dying due to the sanctions against Iran? I didn't think so. Maybe two of you know or care."

Posted by chase z6 (My Page) on Sat, Aug 25, 12 at 18:46

"brush, you are beyond insulting with your comments. You are not the only guy to get it, not the only father or relative to suffer, you don't own the sadness and tragedy of those of us who have had loved ones injured or killed.....you aren't special."

"you aren't special." Sure you are.

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I don't think Brush is talking about his own personal suffering; I doubt he's got a personal stake in the children of Iran, and he didn't say that he did. No need to attack his self esteem.

I for one don't know how many children are suffering and/or dying because of the sanctions.


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Well Elvis you haven't been paying attention.

This is the umpteenth time "we" have been accused of not appreciating the suffering of American families or the families of those who have bourne the incredible devastation brought about by the US.

It is always that he is the only one that gets it, his family has undergone incredible hardship and worry and no one else here gets it....but my cousin who lost his leg gets it as does his Mom and wife and two kids.

Don't lecture me Brush our family has bourne great hardship...greater even than yours. I thank God for bringing your son home in one piece. I wish that had been our case.

I get as do may on this forum what the sanctions do to the lives of day to day people. It is a damn hard question with no easy answers...at least none that I have....but I'm clearly not as wise as Brush.


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"Frank, Barack Obama wouldn't have inherited Islam. I'm sure there are plenty of people of middle eastern descent who are not Muslims.

Now, I can't say how many people make the jump you just did; I'm not one of them. If you have a problem with muslims, you're not the first to have trepidation about people who practice other faiths. Plenty of people were uncomfortable about JFK being Catholic."

Please try to read more. Become better informed. Do not accuse me of religious intolerance. That is far more likely to come from someone such as yourself who seems to have very little grasp on the world outside of Wisconsin.

Many of the birther types began claiming that his father was of middle eastern descent. It was their way of insinuating that Obama was a Muslim. It has been disproved, but uneducated types keep bringing it up to try to spread doubt. Sound familiar?


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What a knucklehead

You have no idea who Dubois is do you? Yet another inane post. Educate yourself.

I for one don't know how many children are suffering and/or dying because of the sanctions.

No surprise. Yet you still comment.

There is plenty of information on the sanctions over the years for you to read and actually learn something. Then you can start to add to the discussions instead of continuing to detract from them.


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It's interesting that those who express the most fear are also the ones who insist stridently that they think for themselves. And those who keep insisting that they think for themselves do no such thing.
No free thinker insists that she/he is a freethinker.


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Posted by frank_il z5Illinois (My Page) on Sat, Aug 25, 12 at 19:28

"Many of the birther types began claiming that his father was of middle eastern descent. It was their way of insinuating that Obama was a Muslim."

"It was their way..."

Their way. Not my way. Kindly don't attribute what you think others believe to what I may believe.

"It has been disproved, but uneducated types keep bringing it up to try to spread doubt. Sound familiar?"

I don't care what the president's religion is. I see that it's important to you though, and I respect that.

"Uneducated types?" That's harsh and judgmental. Not like you, Frank. "Sound familiar?" No. It doesn't sound familiar to me. Guess I don't hang with the same crowd you do. We don't discuss the president's religion.


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It all boils down to the fact that the GOP decided fear-mongering was the best way to win elections, and they were right. They are still attempting to use it and it's up to the Dem party to to call them on it publicly, and often.


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Exactly, sjerin. We need to stop the Swiftboating the minute it happens. We didn't the last time and waited too long to respond. Not gonna happen this time around.


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I would LOVE to hear Obama respond factually to the "swiftboating" going on right now, from the SEAL teams. But I won't, because there's not a damn thing he can say.


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What should he be saying, Bill?


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Exactly what he IS saying-- not a damn thing.


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Another ugly thread for me to pass up.


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I don't get it? You'd love to hear him respond, but ... there's nothing he can say?


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Esh, read my WHOLE post where I said I'd love to hear his respond.


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I would LOVE to hear Obama respond factually to the "swiftboating" going on right now, from the SEAL teams. But I won't, because there's not a damn thing he can say.

Yeah, I read it.


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Obama is an ineffective President. It is obvious the country is not better than it was 4 years ago, in fact has got worse. And the majority of Americans know that. Bill Clinton was right, now that people come to think of his earlier comment. Change is in the air, ironically.


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I would LOVE to hear Obama respond factually to the "swiftboating" going on right now, from the SEAL teams. But I won't, because there's not a damn thing he can say.


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Yeah, so I'm asking - WHY isn't there a thing he can say? Because stuff is classified? Or because they are right?


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It is obvious the country is not better than it was 4 years ago, in fact has got worse.

Well, no. When he took office, the stock market had plummeted, the economy was at a virtual standstill, we were losing 500,000 jobs a month.

I'd say we're better off now, by a long shot.


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bluebird said:

Obama is an ineffective President. It is obvious the country is not better than it was 4 years ago, in fact has got worse.

I call bulsh1t.

The fact is that Bush flocked it up so bad that it will take a generation, not just 4 years, to put Humpty Dumpty together again.

I guess you forgot Bush on vacation before 9/11 and the fact that he failed to issue warnings to the public and to airports to tighten up security. There is no that way four planes get hi-jacked in an hour if Bush just did that much.

Did you forget how he then marched us into War with Iraq?
Did you forget the human cost and the debt Bush put us in from that War?
Brush did.

Did you forget Bush's signature no down payment for minorities home ownership plan and his encouragement of banks to ease lending standards? How about his recommendation for Americans to "go shopping after 9/11?" Yes Bush responded to 9/11 by telling people to spend and borrow and buy homes. How did that work out?

Do you know anything about real estate and the home building industry and all the commerce and jobs that were impacted by the Bush bubble and bust? Those industries were decimated. Now, in many parts of the country, things are beginning to turn around. Foreclosures contine and there is plenty of unemployment, but at least we now have some hope.

How about the stock market? Pretty decent over the last four years, no?

How about the manner in which Obama focused on getting Bin Laden and made the right calls as our C.I.C. to get him?

How about the abusive, terrorist Gaddafi regime toppled without ONE American life lost?

How about ending the Iraq War?

How about saving our US auto industry and all of the jobs in Michigan and Ohio and throughout our country that are connected with it by God forbid, providing Govt guaranteed loans.

How about the Lily Ledbetter Act and our President supporting woman's Rights?

How about repeal of Don't ask and Obama's support of gay Rights?

How about Obama's support of the Dream Act and his support for sensible immigration law reform instead of "self-deportation."

How about making Insurance companies cover those with pre-existing conditions and making it more likely that millions will be able to afford private health insurance?

And, never forget Bush and Paulsen coming out in 2008 and announcing that our country's financial system was on the brink of Armageddon. Are you actually so buried under the Fox News snow job that you forgot where we came from just a few years ago?

OK, here is a somber You Tube moment to refresh your recollection about where we in fact were just before president Obama took over in the face of the Bush Bubble and Bust.

Then never repeat what you said about things being worse than under Bush, unless you want to be called on it again.

I guess you don't remember Bush parading out with Paulsen and telling bthe country

Here is a link that might be useful: Bush 2008 Doomsday NEVER forget


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Oh heri, you'r confusing them with reality, the truth. Can't do that, they gets too confusing for them.

truth, can't be dealt with, doesn't sink in, only fantasy, only "anyone but Obama" and got to get Obama out of the white house.

remember, during the time that Obama was taking the oath of office, the GOP "war machine" was already at work, plotting, planning, getting the troops ready to start their "dirty work". Got to make "obama a one term president".

Tell the GOP supporters the truth? Remind them of the truth? waste of time, truth doesn't matter, facts don't matter.

Only thing that matters is making Obama a one term president, get the dems out of the white house at all costs. too bad for the country, to bad for the people.

Only thing that matters is get Obama and the dems out of office.


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heri, Facts, Facts those pesky facts.

Facts are why the President has been ahead in the swing states.

You cannot fool all the people all the time. Let the parrots eat crackers.


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Facts, smacts..Don't confuse them with actual statistics, Heri. It will confuse them. Remember their leader, Rush ,said the day after the inauguration that they would spend the next four years making him a one termer. I think Rush thought they'd have a better candidate to run against him.


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Except that there are no Seals teams swiftboating Obama.

I think that there would still be paranoia regarding President Obama were he of European descent. The precedent was set by the paranoia and general craziness of the right - Hillary killed Vince Foster! - during the President Clinton's term in office. The first offense is being a Democrat, and from there it degenerates according to race, ethnicity, religion, geographical home, etc.

The fact that he is non-white puts an extra ugly layer on it. Not really a surprise though.


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Don't know where some of you sit and eat your crackers. Yes, I repeat that it is getting worse in front of my eyes and for many people. Friends still could not find jobs after being laid off for 9 months. Local community colleges are overflow with people who must reinvent themselves from ground zero. Tuition costs increases at a faster rate, while scholarships become far fewer. Companies are getting meaner with employees who are already overworked from short staffing. Jobs are still being shipped overseas. Health insurance costs keep climbing fast. A lot of young women are not able to afford birth control pills; they thought Congress had already approved free BC for them. Foreclosures are still going from big mansions to blue collar neighborhoods... It is no fairy tale here.


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"Friends still could not find jobs after being laid off for 9 months"

--how employable, with usable skills, are those friends???

"Local community colleges are overflow with people who must reinvent themselves from ground zero"

It's great that the dead weight is taking the initiative to bring their knowledge and skills into the 21 st century. kudos to the students!!!

"Companies are getting meaner with employees who are already overworked from short staffing. Jobs are still being shipped overseas"

and that's the President's fault? I'd say that's economics and it doesn't differentiate by political party

Bluebird, Why do you attribute things to one president when it's clearly NOT his policies that have hosed your friends? Your friends own a chunk of the hose as well.


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bluebird, the things you are complaining of were already going on when Bush was President. Heri is calling it like it was/is.

Lily pretty much expressed my own fears: the continued loss of a Middle Class in this nation, due to the lack of regulation of Wall Street, big business run amok, religion inserted into our government, lack of funding for education, the overturning of Roe v. Wade, war declared on Iran in defense of support of Israel. All these are likely should Romney become our next President.

Obama is not perfect, but at least he stands for the Middle Class, for education, for the common man to have a piece of the pie, despite all his failings.


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Evolution at work.


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What do some people expect after the pre-Obama running of our country into the ground? Americans have no patience, and it would seem very little understanding of how our government works and how slowly the wheels actually turn.

What took so long to be pushed into ruination will take many years to even begin to turn around in a favorable manner.

Aside from wanting everything fixed right this instant, which is an impossibility, logically speaking, people also seem to think that a President has all the power, and holds all the cards.

Aside from lack of patience and lack of understanding, people also seem to take issue with race... and if this weren't true, we would not have seen such off the wall behaviors.

And the funny thing is... Obama is not even a liberal! Good grief, how many times does all this require repeating?

Yeah, I know... who needs facts when supposition and loony rumors are so much better for media ratings and citizen division.


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Jodi exactly it took Bush 8 years to throw away a huge surplus and put us on the path of McCain rushing back to Washington screaming the sky is falling.

The new theme is "So what if Bush blew the money in 8 years you are suppose to fix what he did in 3 years".

I am puzzled how after all that it was expected that President Obama was suppose to walk in the door, wave his magic hands and replace the surplus that the Bush Administration had thrown away and reach in his pocket and payoff the deficit,

The miracle is the accomplishments that the President has made happen with the congress that the only goal is to say NO has begun to reverse the country's path of destruction that Bush accomplished in his 8 years is the true miracle.

Seems they think he has a magic hands that he refuses to use.

Where is their personal responsibility. Pick yourself up and stop whining looking for someone to give you a job or free stuff. Go find a job.


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RE: Doomsday screamers / Obama re-election

Friends still could not find jobs after being laid off for 9 months. Local community colleges are overflow with people who must reinvent themselves from ground zero. Tuition costs increases at a faster rate, while scholarships become far fewer. Companies are getting meaner with employees who are already overworked from short staffing. Jobs are still being shipped overseas. Health insurance costs keep climbing fast. A lot of young women are not able to afford birth control pills; they thought Congress had already approved free BC for them. Foreclosures are still going from big mansions to blue collar neighborhoods.

There has been progress made on most of the issues that you mention but in any case, never forget that it was Bush that brought the house of cards down, bluebird.


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RE: Doomsday screamers / Obama re-election

Well, I'd sure look at the proposals put forward by the Romney Ryan ticket re foreclosures - 'let them work it out of the system', putting major limits on Pell grants and loans for students, continuing to deregulate companies so they can get meaner, not a single proposal to stop this wholesale shipping of jobs over-seas (at least Obama proposed tax incentives to keep them here - shot down by the Republicans) repeal Obamacare, which then throws that all back into chaos, and then you get into women's issues.


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