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Kids get paid to do well in school. Why not?

Posted by hayseedman z5/6 Ct. (My Page) on
Tue, Aug 26, 08 at 11:49

Will middle school students hit the books, show up on time and be on their best behavior if they're getting paid?

Being a Capitalist Pig, I think it's a good idea.

Kids, (and adults) have a very difficult time understanding why they should be working so hard for a reward that's so far in the future. They need immediate gratification. I can't think of a better way to show a disadvantaged kid the advantages of working hard in school.

What do you think?

Hay


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RE: Kids get paid to do well in school. Why not?

When I was growing up, I knew lots of families who rewarded their children for good grades with money. The would get a certain amount for each A and lesser amount for each B, and then nothing for anything less than a B.


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I recall the same thing, jpw. It's what I thought of as soon as I read the title of the thread. I liked earning that money for good grades, especially because I didn't think it was that hard to earn them.


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Here, the top NCLB score in each grade gets $50, and the 'most improved' an ipod.


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Yes, everything is for sale.


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I've always thought it was a good practice. Lets face it, as adults we certainly don't work for free and expect recognition/incentives when we perform above the norm. Paying students for excellent grades can only prepare them better for the working world.


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It never seemed to matter how good my grades were because at least one of my sisters had done better. The only time my grades made an impression was when they were really bad and I had to work at that. Even then it might have merited only a frown or two but I can remember being very worried about handing over my report card if it was less than perfect. I think I like the reward from some of the area restaurants even if it might be just an advertising gimmick. The kids bring in an A on their report card and the restaurant gives them a free whatever. Sleepless


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  • Posted by vgkg 7-Va Tidewater (My Page) on
    Tue, Aug 26, 08 at 12:35

Money for good grades!? sheez, I got nothing but a pat on the head and was glad not to get a scolding for bad grades. I see parents today having to pay their kids just to mow their own lawn, no money = no mowing, no arguement. Nice concept alright, expect money for everything (I'm with you Marshall). Reep what is sowed.


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No way. An education is for their own benefit, not just the information but to learn how to learn.
Why not pay a child for every meal they eat? taking showers? Sleeping?

Pay children to go to school, and you teach them that nothing is worth doing unless they get cash compensation.


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So, because kids demand immediate gratification, we should cater to it? With cash? What next, spot bonuses on mid-terms? Incentive payouts for good cafeteria table manners? IMHO, this kind of tactic will only reinforce that material rewards are the only ones that matter.

And these kids will grow up to discover that the real world doesn't work like that. Most jobs do not incent employees for perfect attendance, or compliance to dress code. And many times, top performers are rewarded not with a cash payout, but with a more visible job, that not only pays more salary, but also carries a heavier responsibility.

If we are going to educate our children, we need to focus both on academics and real-world expectations. If the work ethic is not being taught at home, we need to figure out why and fix it where it's broke. Of course this tactic is harder that shelling out $$$.


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I never got paid for good grades but did get scolding lectures if my grades fell below A. It was expected that we would do well for ourselves.


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I probably should clarify my post, we knew families who paid their kids to get good grades. My family wasn't one them...

My folks had six children (darn catholics), they couldn't afford gym shoes...let alone report card money. We were expected to do well without money...


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  • Posted by jodik 5 Central IL (My Page) on
    Tue, Aug 26, 08 at 12:58

That's part of the problem with the world today... we cater to our offspring, like we owe them something...

Whatever happened to "A job worth doing is worth doing well"! Whatever happened to doing something because it gives us personal satisfaction, like getting good grades?

Kids today (not all, of course) are lazy, obese, have no discipline, no respect, no self-esteem... and think the world owes them a living! They sit inside, playing computer games, eating fast food, with a cell phone next to them... and where are Mom and Dad?

I got a pat on the back when I got an A in school, and I did chores because I was part of a family, and we all pulled equal weight. I didn't get paid! I had respect for others, especially my elders, I had manners, I knew The Golden Rule...

It's a twisted, messed up world...


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There is a difference between parents paying their kids for doing chores and getting good grades and so on, and school districts doing the same. For that matter, ya got your National Merit Scholarships as well as academic scholarships to many schools, where if you get the grades, they pay your tuition.


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All good child psychiatrists and psychologists (and I count myself among them) know that paying for grades is a bad idea, but there are a lot of parents who feel otherwise. We had this discussion on another forum here and parents get quite emotional and defensive about the topic. Does this surprise, in a society where many do not want their children's feelings hurt with letter grades and don't want their children to have to suffer consequences for their behavior? It does not.


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When I found out that some of my school friends were getting paid for every "A" that they earned, I quickly suggested the same to my parents. They had no problem saying no -- I was supposed to do well in school.

Also, I had been receiving good grades without any monetary incentive, so I blew my bargaining position.

I did receive a nominal weekly allowance for garden and house work, and later for cooking and meal preparation, but was expected to save, and pay for my own treats/extras. When I found out in high school that some of my friends' families had maids and gardeners, I also suggested that possibility to my parents. It was not well received. To this day, I still detest gas lawn movers.


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why should we pay more for kids? their incentive should be not to grow up to be losers w/o good jobs & be upstanding citizens. nothing makes me feel more secure in my future job outlook for the next 30 yrs than hearing about our future kids :-)

just one small example of how my parents were: my senior yr i was getting a B+ in second yr spanish and my parents were furious, only A's allowed. they cancelled my graduation festivities and would not even pay for my cap & gown nor my grad announcements. i worked 30 hrs a week during the semesters/full time in summers (since i was 14) so i could easily afford these things but i had to handle getting them on my own w/o parental assistance. ~ liz


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Monica - You hit it out of the ballpark. I agree 1000%!!!


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I'm in agreement with Monica's thoughts on this subject.


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We had this discussion on another forum here and parents get quite emotional and defensive about the topic.

OMG, Mamarazzi, I lurk in that forum and I can't believe that whole discussion!

For those who missed it, since I probably shouldn't include links to the threads, there's a man in another Garden Web forum who mock complains about his teenaged daughter who is too smart for his pocketbook. He complains she keeps getting A's, and therefore he and his wife have to keep buying her Swarovski crystal, including a piece from Grandma that cost almost a thousand dollars. Then he posts photo's of various china displays with all the large crystal that belongs to the daughter. Can you believe that? He had another post where he said she now owned three pairs of Prada shoes and that when she and the wife went to Nordstrom's, the salesman looked at the shoes she was wearing, and ignored everyone but her. Can you imagine what kind of demanding brat this girl is going to be when she's married? Mamarazzi chimed in and kind of got ripped. It made for some amusing reading and I just don't get parents who do this. And then mock complain just so he can show off how much money he has to flush down the toilet. Did anyone else catch those threads?


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that guy sounds like the same guy who was on a couple other forums a couple of years ago. He went on and on and on about the big house he was building and all the furniture he was buying and how many servants he was going to use to keep the place clean. I think he was a regular on the Laundry, Building a Home, and cars? forums. He claimed to be a nurse who owned a medical practice and having doctors work for him. People would challenge him on it and he'd go off. Then he went on the marriage forum and talked about how his wife was cheating. Eventually someone called him out for the troll that he was, and most of the rest of us chimed in that, yes, we'd been thinking he was for a long time. He disappreared after that. Maybe he's back now though.

No strong opinions on paying kids for grades. My folks didn't do it though and neither did DH and I. The difference was that my siblings and I loved getting good grades, and nothing I did could make my kids care about doing more than just average.


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I'd be happy to pay the kids if it guarenteed great grades. Have not needed to
yet fortunately.


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I remember that guy, wasn't it DaveNP?


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My Dad offered us a nickel (a bit of a cheapskate) for every vocabulary word we learned from a book called Word Power Made Easy. It would easily be worth at least $10,000 for both of my children to have a good vocabulary. I guess I will have to up the ante.


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No way. An education is for their own benefit, not just the information but to learn how to learn.

Which is exactly what I told my children...and as far as children being paid for chores, not in my neighborhood .. the kids play nintendo (or whatever it is the new game is now) and the parents pay someone else to plow out the driveway in winter and cut the grass in summer.

My children did not get paid for chores either ... this is the way I saw it. We all live in this home, it is the responsibility of everyone who lives here to do their part. Don't like it ? As Daddy used to say "don't let the doorknob hit ya where the good lord split ya".

Yeah .. I was known as the meanest mommy on the block. I also do not have to support my grown children :) (and yes, I know parents who do)


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I don't think this guy has servants and his name isn't Dave. If you go to this forum http://ths.gardenweb.com/forums/decor/nph-ind.cgi?type=con and do a search for Swarovski the top two posts are the ones I'm talking about.


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Yes, Threadkiller, that was the thread I was thinking of when I referenced previous discussions. I really should have just sat on my hands that day.


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  • Posted by jodik 5 Central IL (My Page) on
    Wed, Aug 27, 08 at 11:10

I'll be honest... I was an average student... I "did not apply" myself... but I also knew that I wasn't going to college, and would be come part of the "work force", which was fine with me. I eventually did exactly what I wanted to do... I became a good wife and mother, raised 3 kids, and now have 3 grandchildren... and we don't support any of them.

My middle son will graduate college next year, and he did it all himself... 4.0 GPA, scholarships, grants, money from jobs, student loans... and he's already signed a contract that will net him a hefty income when he graduates. I'm incredibly proud of him!

He didn't get paid for chores or grades... he just knew that if he wanted a better life than the one we could provide, he had to work for it. My other 2 children are part of the work force, but they have families, and are happy... and isn't that what we want for our kids, anyway?

We can only point them in the right direction... we can't make them go... so, why aren't more parents pointing their children in the direction of success and happiness?

My parents didn't support me as an adult, and I'm not supporting my kids... although, I will always be here should they stumble and fall.

Kids today... many of them... can't feed themselves, clean up after themselves, support themselves... if we do it all for them, where's the incentive to learn and earn?


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In my house, we didn't get paid for good grades, didn't get paid for chores (keeping our rooms clean, mowing, cutting splitting, and hauling in firewood, working in the garden, caring for the animals, & helping dad on his weekend projects), and were expected to help out in the family business (Dad was a printer) when needed and didn't get paid for that either. My Mom worked with my dad so after school my sisters in their teens cleaned the house and started dinner. The big clean came on the weekends while I was usually outside working with dad - my sisters and I used to argue over who had it worse. At the first chance (usually early afternoon after chores which started at 7:00) I would sneak away to fish and hunt for the rest of the day.

I remember spending a couple of weeks every summer with my sisters when we were teens in the big push to get all the football programs ready. Dad would go out a take pictures of the teams, cheerleaders, and band at each school would gather their own advertisements which my dad then put together. He printed them with one of those old-fashioned linotype machines using lead type which worked only with much cursing from my dad. We had to fold the sheets into pages, insert them into each other to make a booklet, staple them, trim them, and deliver boxes of them to each of the high schools. In exchange I got a bed to sleep in and three meals a day - for anything extra I had to ask my dad. At 15, I got my first job bagging groceries so I would have money for dates without having to ask my parents. I've worked since then through high school, college, and grad school.


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Yes, I think it's a great idea if it motivates kids to do their best in school. After all, what's more important in a child's life. I reward my children, now 1st and 3rd graders, for every "A" they earn.
They are also learning the value of money and how to make deposits, withdrawals, and how to save money. Every report card marking, they get their reward money and they decide to save (we encourage them to save at least half of their money) or spend. They then do their own shopping, checking prices, doing the math and making decisions. (with parents final approval, of course) It's been a motivator and a great learning tool. My 6 year old loves to leave his money in the "Bank of Mom" (I keep their money for them) and he's learned that he will earn interest IF he leaves his money in the bank ove time. So,we pay a small amount of interest to encourageg saving. When summer comes around, they usually have quite a stash and they spend their own money over the summer months. In essense, they decide how much fun they will have over the summer all year while in school. Real world lessons!


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Sanman2, have your kids learned about inflation and cost of living adjustments? I think if I had it to do now, I'd demand my allowance in Euros or US Treasury Bonds.


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