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About those seniors...

Posted by jillinnj (My Page) on
Mon, Sep 24, 12 at 17:41

According to a Reuters report today (bold emphasis added by me)--

New polling by Reuters/Ipsos indicates that during the past two weeks - since just after the Democratic National Convention - support for Romney among Americans age 60 and older has crumbled, from a 20-point lead over Democratic President Barack Obama to less than 4 points.

Romney's double-digit advantages among older voters on the issues of healthcare and Medicare - the nation's health insurance program for those over 65 and the disabled - also have evaporated, and Obama has begun to build an advantage in both areas.

Voting preferences among seniors could change in the final six weeks of the campaign, but the polling suggests that a series of recent episodes favoring Obama and the Democrats could be chipping away at Romney's support among older Americans.

Romney's selection of Wisconsin congressman Paul Ryan as his vice presidential running mate put the federal budget and Medicare at center stage in the campaign. But the debate over spending and entitlement programs that Romney seemed to be seeking has not unfolded the way Republicans wanted.

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Democrats accused Romney of dismissing a range of Americans, including elderly people who depend on government programs such as Medicare and Social Security.

Romney's campaign rejected that, but the recent polls suggest that such claims may be resonating with Americans aged 60 and older, who for months had been the only age group to consistently support Romney over Obama.

Analysts say that if Romney cannot reverse the trend among older voters, he won't win on Nov. 6.

"If Romney loses seniors, he loses this election, period," said Jonathan Oberlander, a health policy specialist at the University of North Carolina. "A bad showing nationally (among older voters) does not bode well for Florida and other states with big senior populations."

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Pollsters say Obama's recent rise in popularity among older Americans could signal that Democrats are winning the advertising battle over Medicare.

That would be something of a turnaround for Democrats.

For much of the past two years, Republicans have helped to sway public opinion against Obama's signature legislative achievement, his overhaul of the healthcare system, by casting it as a government overreach that will kill jobs by raising costs for employers.

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A Pew poll, conducted Sept. 12-16 and released last week, showed Romney with only a 47 to 46 percent lead among registered voters aged 65-plus. He also trailed Obama by 7 points among people aged 45 to 64 - a huge potential voting bloc that analysts say is increasingly concerned about retirement security.

To illustrate the challenge that Romney could face in November, analysts note that Republican John McCain won 53 percent of the vote among those 65 and older in 2008, and lost to Obama with 46 percent of the overall vote.

"This is certainly a bit of a game changer," Ipsos pollster Julia Clark said of the increasing support for Obama among older Americans. "Older individuals vote. They're the ones who turn up on Election Day, for sure."

Romney and Ryan are likely to need a clear victory among older voters to win the election, given Obama's advantages among other important voting groups such as women, minorities and young adults, analysts said.

"For Romney to win the election, he has to have the majority of the vote from people over 50," said Robert Blendon, a political analyst at the Harvard School of Public Health. "If they share voters over 50, Romney's really going to take a loss here."

So, like some of us have been saying, seniors are not stupid. They can read, listen and comprehend.

It's not over until it's over, of course, but I think this is good news.

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jillinnj, I know in my state the voter ID has really angered the seniors. They are the ones that married young and moved to PA when the steel mills were booming. I have a large Italian and German population in my area that it is affecting and they are not happy.

One of my neighbors has 3 generations living together and the older generation cannot vote because they were having trouble getting the birth certificates and marriage license. These were strong Republicans. That they are losing the family because grandmother and great grandmother cannot vote.

They are aware of who is stopping them from voting. They never drove a car their husband drove them and when they became to old the children cared for them.

It will be the same with the Greeks, and the Jewish community. The husbands were the head of households they did not drive. It is the way the old world worked.

The children are caring for their parents do they think they are not going to read and understand they are hurting the parents they are caring for?

I know we have some Republicans that do not care for their parents so they do not have the same caring and responsibility concern.


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  • Posted by momj47 7A..was 6B (My Page) on
    Mon, Sep 24, 12 at 21:21

Under these conditions, my grandmother wouldn't have been allowed to vote, and it would have broken her heart. She didn't drive, had no birth certificate from Sweden, "just" her citizenship papers.

She was so proud to be an American, and so proud to be able to vote. Disenfranchising voters because there "might" be the possibility of fraud is so wrong on so many levels.

How do these people sleep at night, and what kind of mental gymnastics must they do to convince themselves that this is right. It boggles the mind.


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  • Posted by vgkg 7-Va Tidewater (My Page) on
    Mon, Sep 24, 12 at 23:03

"How do these people sleep at night, and what kind of mental gymnastics must they do to convince themselves that this is right. It boggles the mind."

My mind isn't boggled, by this anyways. It's all about power and only about power for the repubs. Preventing people from voting is power, buying votes with more tax cuts is power, lying about the opposition is power, and excesses in pac monies is power. If they lose any sleep at all it's not from a conscience, it's from fear of losing power.

This is one senior citizen that has never been impressed with power hungry politicians, I'm glad they went too far with their addiction to power and exposed themselves for what they are to my fellow seniors.
Power To The People!


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Because under Tom Corbett ,the teabagger governor, the state of PA is rapidly sinking down the abyss. In two years we Dems better come up with a decent candidate to run against him . We are the laughing stock of the country run by hicks from the teaparty. They followed one old lady for four hours and she still hadn't gotten her photo ID. I hope the old people are pissed off. No cases of voter fraud and yet we are spending MILLIONS to implement this and disenfranchising 100's of thousands of people.


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This is shocking in this day and age. It's just the old Jim Crow "poll tax" and tests of literacy for Blacks redux.

Of course, vgkg, you are correct: it is all about power to what used to be the oligarchy.


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Because under Tom Corbett ,the teabagger governor, the state of PA is rapidly sinking down the abyss. In two years we Dems better come up with a decent candidate to run against him

The latest comment coming from these idiots is they are too lazy to do what is necessary to prove who they are to get the photo id. Something we see said here at HT ......everybody is lazy. Not a thought of how they are hurting these seniors or their own chances of winning the election.

I wonder if they think the children of the seniors do not care about their senior parents, aunts, uncles. Maybe they are right. They think their 80 year old mothers are just lazy.


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Not a thought of how they are hurting these seniors or their own chances of winning the election.

I guess they will find out, won't they?


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I agree with vgkg. Definitely all about power. Of course, that's true of most politicians. It's just somehow the democrats have managed to still care about the less fortunate. The Republicans gave that up several years ago. It's shameful.

My hope is that this backfires on them big time. From the story I posted, it appears that might be happening.

The issue of disenfranchising voters is another related issue. If they succeed in being able to stop some from voting, I sure hope those that can vote that might not have get mad enough to vote to make up the difference.

PA folks - when is the lower court supposed to get back to the Supreme Court with the info requested? Or did that happen already and I missed it?


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PA folks - when is the lower court supposed to get back to the Supreme Court with the info requested? Or did that happen already and I missed it?

The judge has until Oct 1st.


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Usually seniors are not as easily fooled as the younger, more hopeful generation who have not lived long enough to understand "politics".

I'm not a senior, but have lived long enough and have seen factories disappear, people lose jobs and NEVER gain well paying jobs, ever, again. I have seen towns turn into slums....all because the good paying jobs have left the country.

Seniors know what they have and THEY WORKED FOR IT!!!!
They cannot go back to work. They are "spent".Many do not have degrees, because they didn't need them back then. Unless a senior has a white collar, as a consultant with lunches and all job, they cannot work after 65. Most are "fried" at 55. People live longer, but the quality of life in most cases is not good. People work very hard in the US. Europe is different....

If a Medicare voucher program is instituted, the payments for the seniors will skyrocket, that's if the insurance will even accept them. Has anyone here priced insurance for over 55 yo? Even if you get the first year for a good price, they will double your premium the following year. That's how ins operate.


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I heard one of the pundits mention something I hadn't thought of - given some time to wreck the Medicare system, the vouchers "might look good" in comparison to the tatters of the existing but dismantled plan.

I am a senior and having Medicare Parts A & B coupled with my retirement benefit insurance - which has creditable drug coverage - I'd cringe to see anything other than a tweaking here and there.


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That's Daryl Metcalf, an radical teabagger who said those who are complaining are too lazy . Yeah..a 90 year old is too lazy to get to the DMV and stand for four hours in line. The people at Penn Dot haven't a clue what they're doing. Now there are NEW rules today put out by Teabagger Corbett. You still have to get to Penn Dot with your social security card and proof of registration. Each step is confusing to the ones before it. First you needed to pay big bucks to get a copy of your birth certificate. Seniors are totally pissed off and now the GOP is back tracking because their asses are grass in 2014. We seniors have looooong memories.


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We seniors have looooong memories.

Thank goodness!

I cannot imagine my 89 year old mother with lung cancer and my 93 year old father with so many different cancers I cannot remember anymore having to go through any of that just so they could vote like they've done every election their entire lives!

Thankfully, those crazies haven't crossed the border into NJ. Yet. I'm actually surprised our awful governor hasn't tried this yet.


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