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Peanut Butter Is Racist

Posted by wildchild z9CA (My Page) on
Tue, Sep 11, 12 at 21:36

Looks Like this "educator" has never heard of George Washington Carver. Probably despises Jimmy Carter too.

The link within the article for the Portland Tribune goes even more in depth about how our education system has gone to the "nuts".

But of course it's NOT racist or sexist to exclude whites or girls. She's all about the "black and brown boys". Her words not mine.

Here is a link that might be useful: Everything Is Racist


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Another victim of tripe and too much time on one's hands.


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I take it by "victim", you mean Gutierrez and her stormtroopers.

You would think that an educator would know the meaning of the word "racist". Or not.


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I'm white and I love tripe when it's properly prepared. ;-)
Have loved it from the time I was a child.

These "progressives" have no clue what real diversity is. All they want to do is segregate and divide with all thier racist trash talk.

My kids went to California schools which were at the forefront of this kind of crap With careful intervention and parenting I managed to raise them to be colorblind despite the education system's best efforts to divide and conquer.It wasn't always easy. As white kids they were at the bottom of the totem pole in our school district. Many of the kids (of all colors) in our schools go in colorblind and come out racist. Force feeding doesn't work with food and it certainly doesn't work with people.


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And here's the real article - not the snot-nosed interpretation of it.


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"The link within the article for the Portland Tribune" (by OP)

Last of reading and comprehension skills still prevail. *sigh*

Snot nosed interpretation indeed. LOL

Inane commentary and no link. The playmates on this forum are hilarious.


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Posted by wildchild z9CA (My Page) on Tue, Sep 11, 12 at 22:17

"Many of the kids (of all colors) in our schools go in colorblind and come out racist. Force feeding doesn't work with food and it certainly doesn't work with people."

Same way in prison. That's telling, isn't it.


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You had a choice - you could have posted the actual article that explains what this woman is trying to do - trying to raise consciousness in her school about white privilege. Instead, you chose to post the commentary on the article that espouses and celebrates your snide point of view. Why don't you discuss amongst yourselves since you seem to think you have all the answers.


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Oh I almost forgot. You realize that the article did not say "Peanut Butter is Racist". Talk about lack of reading comprehension.


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Posted by jerzeegirl 9 (My Page) on Tue, Sep 11, 12 at 23:15

"Oh I almost forgot. You realize that the article did not say "Peanut Butter is Racist". Talk about lack of reading comprehension."

You want to talk about reading comprehension? Okay.
Start a thread about reading comprehension; I'll check it out.


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Wildchild said: Last (sic) of reading and comprehension skills still prevail. *sigh*

Perhaps Wildchild should start the thread, elvis. You would enjoy it more.


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Ho hum better not claim racism too much or too often or homophobia might upset someone!


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Jerzee there is something you and your little friends don't seem to understand. This is not your private playground no matter how much you wish it were so. You didn't build it. You don't get to make the rules. People can put whatever title they want in the subject area of their posts.

If you don't like it just SOB.

Here's a few choice ones you forgot to chastise the OPs for. Have fun.

Joe Biden Shines

Lyin' Ryan holing up to cram

A Big Duh....

OK Ready For A Flip Flop

Not one of the above topic titles is quoted their links nor should they need to. This is a FORUM it is not a journalism class. You are not the teacher. So go pound sand.

You and your resident stalkers are not not going to shut us up. So boo boo to someone who cares.


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So go pound sand.

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ROTF I have never heard that, "so go pound sand."

Boo Frickety Hoo is my favorite line.


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Was supposed to be boo hoo. Typo. LOL No hyphen by my choice.


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MNN BRIOCHE! and beurre de cacahuetes I hope that's what that is!


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Posted by wildchild z9CA (My Page) on Tue, Sep 11, 12 at 23:44

"Jerzee there is something you and your little friends don't seem to understand. This is not your private playground no matter how much you wish it were so. You didn't build it. You don't get to make the rules. People can put whatever title they want in the subject area of their posts.
If you don't like it just SOB.

Here's a few choice ones you forgot to chastise the OPs for. Have fun.

Joe Biden Shines

Lyin' Ryan holing up to cram

A Big Duh....

OK Ready For A Flip Flop..."

You left out this litte gem:

"Christ Endorses Obama"

Actually, "boo boo" works.


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Labrea -- that is one of those things that sounds better than it looks. But if it's French I guess it can't be racist. LOL

Up next, revisionary all inclusive cook books.


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Of course, the original source, also known as the real story is entirely different:

Schools beat the drum for equity.

Guitierrez, along with all of Portland Public Schools’ principals, will start the new school year off this week by drilling in on the language of “Courageous Conversations,” the district-wide equity training being implemented in every building in phases during the past few years.

But then we all knew that.



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The Erinyes can have this thread to themselves. Knock yourselves out.


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The "subtle language of racism". AKA the "white guilt muscle".

I must agree, using a sandwich as an example of subtle racism is pushing the absurdity envelope. Why dilute the meaning of racism? Why reduce a wrong-headed idea that my ethnicity is better than yours, just because I belong to it, to such a trifle as my peanut-butter sandwich is better than your tortilla?

I doubt anyone anywhere has ever been wronged by massive exposure to the wrong sort of sandwiches. Relentless pushing of sandwiches is not why the descendants of the First Peoples live in poverty. Murder and theft is the actual reason.


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Neat. We've been elevated to Godesses. Finally someone gets it. I'll be Tisiphone.


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Yeah, vengeance is yours.


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I doubt anyone anywhere has ever been wronged by massive exposure to the wrong sort of sandwiches. Relentless pushing of sandwiches is not why the descendants of the First Peoples live in poverty. Murder and theft is the actual reason.

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Why is it you're not teaching the children and that nut is?

You're right.


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Gotta keep this post going for values contrasts you know whats important to whom ! What really gets folks attention &n what can be ignored or better yet down played


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Victim of Sexual Assault Told to Not Blame Perp....crickets


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Here's the famous list of 25 examples of white privilege so we can ridicule them as well:

1. I can, if I wish, arrange to be in the company of people of my race most of the time.

2. If I should need to move, I can be pretty sure of renting or purchasing housing in an area that I can afford and in which I would want to live.

3. I can be pretty sure that my neighbors in such a location will be neutral or pleasant to me.

4. I can go shopping alone most of the time, pretty well assured that I will not be followed or harassed.

5. I can turn on the television or open to the front page of the paper and see people of my race widely represented.

6. When I am told about our national heritage or about civilization, I am shown that people of my color made it what it is.

7. I can be sure that my children will be given curricular materials that testify to the existence of their race.

8. If I want to, I can be pretty sure of finding a publisher for this piece on white privilege.

9. I can go into a music shop and count on finding the music of my race represented, into a supermarket and find the staple foods that fit with my cultural traditions, into a hairdresser's shop and find someone who can deal with my hair.

10. Whether I use checks, credit cards, or cash, I can count on my skin color not to work against the appearance of financial reliability.

11. I can arrange to protect my children most of the time from people who might not like them.

12. I can swear, or dress in second-hand clothes or not answer letters without having people attribute these choices to the bad morals, the poverty, or the illiteracy of my race.

13. I can speak in public to a powerful male group without putting my race on trial.

14. I can do well in a challenging situation without being called a credit to my race.

15. I am never asked to speak for all the people of my racial group.

16. I can remain oblivious of the language and customs of persons of color, who constitute the worlds' majority, without feeling in my culture any penalty for such oblivion.

17. I can criticize our government and talk about how much I fear its policies and behavior without being seen as a cultural outsider.

18. I can be sure that if I ask to talk to "the person in charge" I will be facing a person of my race.

19. If a traffic cop pulls me over, or if the IRS audits my tax return, I can be sure I haven't been singled out because of my race.

20. I can easily buy posters, postcards, picture books, greeting cards, dolls, toys, and children's magazines featuring people of my race.

21. I can go home from most meetings or organizations I belong to feeling somewhat tied in rather than isolated, out of place, outnumbered, unheard, held at a distance, or feared.

22. I can take a job with an affirmative action employer without having coworkers on the job suspect that I got it because of race.

23. I can choose public accommodations without fearing that people of my race cannot get in or will be mistreated in the places I have chosen.

24. I can be sure that if I need legal or medical help my race will not work against me.

25. If my day, week, or year is going badly, I need not ask of each negative episode or situation whether it has racial overtones.

26. I can chose blemish cover or bandages in flesh color that more or less matches my skin.
At the link, I wish the author had done a bit more on exploration 'male privilege', and how men are culturally taught not to recognize it.

Here is a link that might be useful: link


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I see little has changed since I've been absent... or would it be more appropriate to say... the more things change, the more they remain the same... good grief.


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David, there are a few more for your list:

--I can be targeted for a crime or robbery because of my race.

--I can be assumed to be a racist for noting that fact


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No, see, the exercise is to make fun of the concept of white privilege, and pretend, to paraphrase the author of my quote, that we white people got were we were in society due to hard work, good choices, and personal responsibility, and that being born white in America has nothing to do with it.


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David, you have my admiration for continuing - through many threads - to introduce the realities of race in the U.S. to these discussions. I wish that I had your patience and perserverance.


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  • Posted by kwoods Cold z7 Long Is (My Page) on
    Wed, Sep 12, 12 at 10:41

One of the very few things I know for sure, if the facts are on your side there is no reason to make things up. Just sayin'.


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It's a difficult task but someone has to do the it's not racist battle! COURAGE MON AMI!


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Now why would a school want to segregate Black and Hispanic males at lunch time?

By the way, what happens when a Black or Hispanic male shows up for his "drum class" and gets caught with a PBJ in his lunch box?

Here is a link that might be useful: Fretting over PBJs


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Dave, you don't think fretting over such trifles as sandwiches is getting sidetracked from important issues about race and justice?


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  • Posted by bboy USDA 8 Sunset 5 WA (My Page) on
    Wed, Sep 12, 12 at 13:37

>26. I can chose blemish cover or bandages in flesh color that more or less matches my skin<

I noticed recently that a particular foundation garment sort of product being pushed on TV comes in three colors, with the one tinted to match Caucasian skin being called "Nude" while the other two, that don't match any skin color are something like "Black" and "Gray".

A Caucasion torso is used to show how it matches skin color.

So I guess they figure white people is all there is.


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Posted by bboy USDA 8 Sunset 5 WA (My Page) on
Wed, Sep 12, 12 at 13:37

>26. I can chose blemish cover or bandages in flesh color that more or less matches my skin<

I noticed recently that a particular foundation garment sort of product being pushed on TV comes in three colors, with the one tinted to match Caucasian skin being called "Nude" while the other two, that don't match any skin color are something like "Black" and "Gray".

A Caucasion torso is used to show how it matches skin color.

So I guess they figure white people is all there is.

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Did you ever CONSIDER that perhaps not many people other than white people purchase that product, at least not enough to justify making another color?

No, it has to be racism, doesn't it?

Everyone has to be a victim.

Why doesn't a black person start their own company and fill a need by supplying these items, huh?

Iman did just that and is making a lot of money and helping a lot of people by filling that nice in cosmetics for women of color.

Conversely, is she a racist for not making makeup for white people?

Hmm?


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No wonder I didn't like taking lunch when I was in grade school. All the other children brought PB&J but my mother always sent a thermos of soup and horrors!!! crackers.

I never liked PB&J. It was too sweet. I preferred Peanut butter and butter or just plain cheese on white bread or bologna. Do you suppose there is a racist intent in that?


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  • Posted by bboy USDA 8 Sunset 5 WA (My Page) on
    Wed, Sep 12, 12 at 18:44

>Did you ever CONSIDER<

Lack of consideration is the point.

Obviously.


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I'm making a quiche. The crust is well, sort of caucasian colored. Oh, boy. In fact the whole pie is rather pale. If I add something dark, say black olives, will that be incorrect because the olives will be a minority color in the grand color scheme of the quiche?

I'm burning to know. Oh,wait--if I burn it then it will look okay.

That's how silly this "sandwich" controversy is. A tempest in a teapot. Oh, wait--tea. Black tea, of course.


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Love the argument of 'supply and demand' - IOW, if there was a market, there would be a supply. Or why don't they start their own supply?

Lets apply the same, rich bogusness to the case of male privilege, and unequal pay for the exact same job when done by a woman.

Well, see, its supply and demand. The chicks work for less, so there ya go. And why don't they start their own international corporations?


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I concur with Nancy's thought.

I don't know how you do it David, I find I no longer have the stomach for race discussions. The denial is too automatic, the shame in the road used to get to denial is non-existent.

The same people, endlessly parroting their outraged "I have black relatives....and...and GRANDBABIES of color!" as the way to outraged denial.

But of course no racism exists in this country by any conservatives and if it does, well, those awful people deserve it.

"Anybody but Obama" even if poor planning meant "Anybody but Obama, even if it means voting for that idiot we ended up with."


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"But of course no racism exists in this country by any conservatives and if it does, well, those awful people deserve it."

Of course it doesn't. If we see it and bring it up, we are just enabling people. If you call out racism, apparently, you are the racist.


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I, too, concur... it's really tough to have the patience necessary to hold discussions about an issue that's so blatant, and so ingrained within our society that it's actually institutionalized at every level, and positively oozes out where it's thought to be hidden so well. I don't have the patience that David does for the issue, and commend such patience. I see racism where it lays, as plain as day. Racism cannot be denied, and it can't be hidden quite as well as some of the population may think.


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As I've said many times-- those who WISH to be offended, WILL be offended, no matter what you say or do. The ironic part is that those like this principle (that in itself is a scary thought!) who see everything as a matter of race, and interpret every action as either inclusive or ravist, they, to me, are the REAL racists. Not everything is about race.


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Wow every one of them is weighing in on the values post LOL


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Every one of WHOM?


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Posted by bill_vincent Central Maine (billvincent@hotmail.com) on
Wed, Sep 12, 12 at 22:28

As I've said many times-- those who WISH to be offended, WILL be offended, no matter what you say or do. The ironic part is that those like this principle (that in itself is a scary thought!) who see everything as a matter of race, and interpret every action as either inclusive or ravist, they, to me, are the REAL racists. Not everything is about race.

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Bingo, Bill.

I've been saying the same thing for a long time.
It is so ironically obvious, yet sadly not seen by those that do it.


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"Bingo, Bill.

I've been saying the same thing for a long time.
It is so ironically obvious, yet sadly not seen by those that do it."

Have you answered anyone else's question or statement?


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Privilege isn't necessarily the same as racism, certainly not overt racism, but I'd argue that some of the unrecognized myths that protect that privilege would fall into institutionalized racism.

Sometimes people can see what this is about when discussing male privilege, with all the ramifications and pre-conceptions that go along with unequal pay, the whole snarl of assumptions that go along with rape, the glass ceiling, and all that. Sometimes.

And others just pretend that everybody has the same chances and opportunities in the USA as a white, Christian male, and if they don't succeed, its because they're lazy, made poor decisions, and my new favorite from last week, their wives didn't have high enough expectations.

Couldn't possibly be that the casino has marked cards, loaded dice, phones up their buddies when the slots are due, spins the wheel, and pays the bouncers.


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  • Posted by bboy USDA 8 Sunset 5 WA (My Page) on
    Thu, Sep 13, 12 at 0:33

Of course it does. But if you blame the victims, then you can justify your cherished fondness for the casino. Or at least absolve yourself of a moral responsibility to do anything about it.

It's all about validating one's own preferences and comfort with supposed rules of economics, God's laws and whatever else does the job.


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"...their wives didn't have high enough expectations."

Now, there's one I haven't heard! Someone seriously said that? Oh, my...

Moral obligation... now, there's a familiar term that conveniently seems to be forgotten... way too often. But I can see how personally absolving oneself for that clean conscience feeling might get in the way. It can't be that hard to shove the "needle eye/camel/gates of heaven" parable to the far recesses of the mind and lock it down.

The fact that opportunity is not equal for all, that the playing field is not level, the casino dice loaded, should be something everyone sees quite clearly. It couldn't be more real or obvious!


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TIGHTY RIGHTIES Bill!


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It's real and obvious that there are those that spend their lives on the sidelines squawking victimhood, excuses, and negativity to justify their failures to take advantage of opportunities in life--trying so hard to rally other victims so that one day there will be a crowd large enough to storm the doors and take what others earned under the guise of "fair play."

President Obama is the Head Cheerleader of this mindset.

The cold, hard facts are that if one cannot make it in this country, then it's the fault of that person. People have opportunities to accomplish what they want--not always without roadblocks and of course not always with the exact same situations--that is impossible.

But in this country, the opportunity to succeed at whatever one wants to do is there if one is willing to make sacrifices, take chances, and work hard--no matter one's color, race, sex, most handicaps, or sexual preference.

It is seldom easy and can take yearsand failures before success.

It does involve logging offline and the removal of envy, resentment, self pity and negativity from one's mindset, however.


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& there are those who spend their lives dumping on them!~


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The first step is recognizing that equal opportunity and equal chance is a myth, and that the road blocks, speed bumps, pot holes, sniper fire, etc can be a whole lot more on some roads than others.

Not to say that they can't be navigated, but acknowledging 'privilege' is about recognizing these differences exist.

Something about walking a mile in someone else's' shoes leads to empathy and understanding, not just callous, selfish brushoffs.


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David, you're my hero!


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Looks Like this "educator" has never heard of George Washington Carver.

You know that George Washington Carver did not invent peanut butter, right?

Perhaps the "educator" is more educated than presumed.


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Posted by labrea 7NYC (My Page) on
Thu, Sep 13, 12 at 10:23

& there are those who spend their lives dumping on them!~

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No, telling it like it is.
And it's only a small portion of my life to check in here when I'm at home.

I have too many other things to do.
Have to keep Tara running, you know.

I'm the first to help someone up the ladder, but they have to get off the sidelines and stop making excuses and B & Moaning.


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Posted by bill_vincent Central Maine (billvincent@hotmail.com) on
Wed, Sep 12, 12 at 22:28

As I've said many times-- those who WISH to be offended, WILL be offended, no matter what you say or do. The ironic part is that those like this principle (that in itself is a scary thought!) who see everything as a matter of race, and interpret every action as either inclusive or ravist, they, to me, are the REAL racists. Not everything is about race.
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Agreed...........Some people aren't happy unless they can act all butt hurt.

Reading this thread, and this forum in general, has me convinced that most of these posters are crybabies raised in an environment that rewarded whoever screamed the loudest and the longest.

The difference between the poster gets up after taking a setback and continuing on, and the poster who takes a setback and expects someone else to help is readily apparent.

Get over it.


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  • Posted by bboy USDA 8 Sunset 5 WA (My Page) on
    Thu, Sep 13, 12 at 16:56

Yeah, that's it.


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This post made me go out to get some fresh ground cashew butter! Great on organic blue sesame corn chips.


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As white kids they were at the bottom of the totem pole in our school district.

I'm a victim of the California school system. I'm white too but never felt I was at the bottom of some imaginary totem pole. Actually, I feel I have a fairly well-rounded education. Never got a college degree but that's my own fault. Went to school with kids of all races and religious/ethnic backgrounds. Don't remember any kind of politically correct straight jacket put on me or any of the other kids. We certainly weren't segregated.

-Ron-


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You know that George Washington Carver did not invent peanut butter, right?

Perhaps the "educator" is more educated than presumed.

Since the quote you were referencing was mine, I will respond.

Where did I or anyone say GWC invented peanut butter?
Once again a poster adds something to another post that wasn't there. Do you realize how ridiculous this type of crap makes one look?


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You are absolutely right, wildchild. I did jump to a conclusion.

Because I am not seeing it, could you please tell me what the connection is between peanut butter and your first sentence of Looks Like this "educator" has never heard of George Washington Carver.


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So, now Obama is the head cheerleader for the downtrodden, the root of all evil in socialism... c'mon, get real!

I don't doubt that before I depart this world I shall see a time when all currencies become as meaningless as the Confederate Dollar. Those of us downtrodden who walk among the sniper fire, who have fallen down those holes and climbed back out, will still have very warm and open, loving, empathetic hearts with which to share.

When money ceases to hold meaning or value, everyone will need a skill to barter with. Those without skill will be left out in the cold, trying unsuccessfully to trade their gold for a crust of bread.

Anyone who seriously can't see that the deck is stacked against some of the players is either completely blind, or completely devoid of feeling and conscience. The "house" always wins... but in the end, what is the "house" really winning?


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I thought GWC did invent peanut-butter, or at the very least popularized it.


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Bill said:
"Not everything is about race"

On that I agree. However, since the President won the last election over two very, very white people, some ugliness concerning race has floated to the surface. Even before his Presidential win, some things WERE about race Bill, too many things were and are about race and when white people or brown people or people with black relatives or people who just love their brown grandbabies get angry every time this very serious subject comes up- then you can bet that there is a problem with racism in this country.

If a problem can't even be acknowledged and is met with anger and denial when the subject comes up, there is no chance whatsoever of finding the solution to the racism which still exists within the hearts of too many Americans in this country.

I have dear relatives - lovely, generous people who do good work for their community and contribute financially to the poor.

They are also racists and have proved it in the very genteel discussions about the 'problems of the black people in this state' - mild but ugly, all encompassing demeaning remarks with an touch of distain and distaste and dripping with condecension. They would never see this about themselves, ever.

And yet, because they would be flat horrified if a black man was drug down a road while tied to the back of a pick up truck for the tortorious beating the road and rocks would give him before he finally found escape from the torture due to his death - well, they would be truly horrified and would cry out at the terrible injustice and honestly mean every word they said about the poor black man so terribly abused unto his very death.

If they don't promote or encourage or aren't repelled violence against black people, they honestly don't feel they are racist.

They also didn't feel that sending simply awful, clearly racists in nature jokes about the President and his wife in round-robin e-mails (while sending big ole "support the troops" with flags in the background because they are such patriotic americans) indicate any racism of their character either-

those vile racist e-mails were just JOKES for pete's sake! They were JOKES! And were terribly offended when I asked them to not send any more to me. Terribly offended. And one of them kept sending them after I had repeatedly asked to be left out of these kinds of e-mails. So I blocked him from my e-mail and will never be forgiven for my accusation that he was sending racist e-mails I refused to laugh at or even look at and was furious when I blocked him because "we are FAMILY!" I told him that when he promised he would no longer send me any, I would unblock him that very day and we could pick up exactly where we left off as we left off. He remains blocked.


Racists very rarely think that they fit the term.
And THAT is one of the biggest problems of all.

And if, deep in their hearts they know they are racists (because everyone knows about those scary, black people who sleep all day and use tax payers hard earned money to buy their beer and fast food and drugs and have too many children, PLUS commit all the crimes in the area) because that isn't racism - hey, that's just the fact jack and "everybody" knows it.

They like saying that people who worry about racism are the biggest racists of all. That is their elementary school line of response. There is absolutely no reasoning with them because they don't want the problem fixed if it means that they have to admit that racism still is the rot eating away at this country's potential.

Or, that some powerful black person, who achieved more in hi life than the resentful person EVER did -(and his wife did too!)- because he will has, the arrogant audacity to shove his national decisions down their throat.

So while I certainly do agree with your position that everything is not about race, far too much still is coming from far too many people - and this must be acknowledged and addressed in order to fix it.

The nation needs to roll right those with racists attitudes and fix this problem anyway.

When they die off and perhaps their children die off, we must hope that the racists attitudes their future grand children will be rejected when they learn to think and reason for themselves and realize how archaic the attitude of racism has actually become.

After all, Jesus would NOT approve.

"Whatever you do unto one of the least, you do to me."


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"I have dear relatives - lovely, generous people who do good work for their community and contribute financially to the poor.

They are also racists and have proved it..."

Bummer about your family, Mylab. Is this like "I have many black friends"? You say some in your family are racists, so you are an authority on what, racism denial? I don't buy it.

Must be a bummer for you, though--sorry.


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Many of the kids (of all colors) in our schools go in colorblind and come out racist.

Is this based on a statistic you read somewhere? Did you experience it with friends of your kids? I don't understand what this observation or opinion is based on.

-Ron-


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The word "racist" has lately been expanded to the point where it's meaningless. I would vote to keep it where it belongs, to describe an attitude of willingness to abuse others on the basis of race or ethnicity. Or at the least an attitude of certainty that all other races are inferior to one's own.

Other attitudes are better described by different words. There are lots of words, let's use them.


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The OP is about an (admittedly poor) example of social / class 'privilege'. Making the leap from privilege to 'racism', as so many comments have make, is an error.

Again, its about recognizing/acknowledging the issues someone of another race faces that you don't. Lets take DWB - ask any middle-age, middle class black woman/man how many times they've been stopped by a cop, just driving along?

Or SWB, Shopping while Black - being followed around the store by 'security' or store employees so sure that you're going to shoplift?

Or recognizing that employers really do discriminate - its a lot harder to get a job if you're black, or recognizing that the health care system really does discriminate, and so on.

Recognizing that this stuff really happens does not make you a racist or not a racist. Recognizing that this is the kind of stuff you don't have to deal with but somebody else does isn't racist.


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Well, the good news regarding the OP is that children don't usually see race... they see other children to play and interact with.

It appears that it's mainly the adults that are confused.

People are people, and the majority of people in general want the same things in life... good health, happiness, and a good life for their children.


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So go pound sand.
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ROTF I have never heard that, "so go pound sand."

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Really, Demi? Maybe it's a West Coast thing. Like "Take a long walk off a short pier." Does that ring a bell?


I still don't understand how the school can legally have a program that segregates Black and Hispanic males at lunch time for a "drumming" opportunity that's not open to whites, Asians or females. What if it were reversed, and no Black or Hispanic males could participate?


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Actually, "go pound sand" has meaner connotations. It's much more insulting than saying "take a long walk off a short pier"... but nice try at trying to smooth out that wrinkle.


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I feel like pounding sand down the Republican rat hole today.

Examiner.com is a division of Clarity Media Group, with the primary investor being billionaire businessman Philip Anschutz, owner of Anschutz Entertainment Group (AEG).

Often identified as "Christian billionaire Phil Anschutz",he is a Republican donor who supported George W. Bush's administration. He has been an active patron of a number of religious and conservative causes:

Helped fund Colorado's 1992 Amendment 2, a ballot initiative designed to overturn local and state laws that prohibit discrimination against individuals on the basis of sexual orientation but was invalidated by Romer v. Evans after it passed.

Contributed $70,000 in 2003 to the Discovery Institute, to specifically support the work of telecom guru George Gilder but not matters related to intelligent design. That fact was validated by Discovery President Bruce Chapman in a letter-to-the-editor to the Rocky Mounatain News, "Anschutz never gave that program a nickel,"

The Discovery Institute is a think tank based in Seattle, Washington that also promotes intelligent design and criticizes evolution.

Supported the Parents Television Council, a group that protests against television indecency.

Financed and distributed films with Christian themes, such as Amazing Grace and The Chronicles of Narnia: The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe, for mass audiences through his two film production companies and ownership of much of the Regal, Edwards and United Artists theater chains.

Financed The Foundation for a Better Life.

In 2009 Anschutz purchased the conservative American opinion magazine The Weekly Standard from Rupert Murdoch's News Corporation.

Philip Anschutz and fellow board members of the American Petroleum Institute in Washington are credited by Bush's energy secretary for the Oval Office decision to kill the Kyoto Protocol in 2001.

Financed the 2010 pro-charter school film, Waiting for Superman.

Financed the 2012 pro-parent trigger film, Won't Back Down.


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"Bummer"? Who even uses that word anymore?

I lived in the deepest of the south for a good amount of years and had parents and relatives who were raised and grew up in the deepest of the south. I have direct, personal experience and knowledge of the people as a whole.

As you do with people who have only been exposed to and are most familiar with the Black Madonna, Elvis. Even though you have lived in a white community and have worshiped at Christian churches (your words) since you were three years old.

The only difference being, mine was an accurate statement not intended to deceive with inaccuracies of perceptions.

I have noticed the ugliness from so many in the right is becoming ever stronger. The worse the R&R twins are doing, the more strident you guys become. Your time would be better spent watching your new movie, it will make you feel ALL better.


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Am I wrong in guessing that OP is more concerned with school officials' language than with Black or Latino students' graduation rates? Portand school district sounds like it went to far, but they are trying to address a real problem in a society where a college degree means so much.


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Posted by mylab123 z5NW (My Page) on Fri, Sep 14, 12 at 14:32

"Bummer"? Who even uses that word anymore?"

Me and maybe two other people. You like to use words like "hatred" "ugly" "denial" "bigot", etc.

I prefer "bummer".


"I lived in the deepest of the south for a good amount of years and had parents and relatives who were raised and grew up in the deepest of the south. I have direct, personal experience and knowledge of the people as a whole."

Blah, blah, blah. This the old "but I have friends and family who are black, so I know all about what it is to be black" routine, only in your case, you are in a family of bigots (your words), so you're an expert on bigots. Okey dokey.

"As you do with people who have only been exposed to and are most familiar with the Black Madonna, Elvis. Even though you have lived in a white community and have worshiped at Christian churches (your words) since you were three years old."

You know what you should do, Mylab, since you are obsessed with my familiarity with Our Lady? Resurrect that thread, and we'll duel at dawn. Your memory needs some enhancement, and I'm up for it.


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  • Posted by sweeby Gulf Coast TX (My Page) on
    Fri, Sep 14, 12 at 21:11

I wouldn't say peanut butter & jelly sandwiches are 'racist' but they certainly DO exemplify a cultural bias.

I'll never forget an 'IQ Test' my young son was given at age 6 or 7 or so. One of the questions on that test was how to make a peanut butter and jelly sandwich.

Well, the simple fact was that my son was gluten intolerant and hadn't eaten a sandwich in 4 years. No one in the family had. So of course, he didn't know how to make a peanut butter and jelly sandwich! But he DID know how to make coffee, scrambled eggs, and rice. I explained that to the examiner and asked her to substitute a dish he could eat, but no dice... 'Standardized' test, don't you know.

She didn't explain herself well -- but I do understand what she was getting at, and why. It takes a little bit of thought and understanding...


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At the Obama HQ last night there were about 100 white people mostly middle aged and older and one black woman. A few of us were talking to her and she relayed a few stories about life in the deep south...I mean central PA. She was driving in the city a few miles above the speed limit and was pulled over. The cop asked where she was headed and she said home. He asked where that was and she told him... a small town where my daughter lives ..a few miles from mine. He said he didn't believe her, and she pulled out her license. The town she lives in is 95% white.

She also is a teacher and mother of a nine year old boy. A girl classmate told the little boy he should go to the fields and grow cotton and make them all shirts. The mother , a teacher but not of this kid, talked to the girl . She was reprimanded and spent three hours in the superintendent's office because "it was inappropriate of her to have a talk with a student not in her class. Racism lives and breathes here, and we will be going door to door in pairs. BTW, nothing was said to the girl.


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A non-verbal reprimand?

Ironic, because in those places where cotton does in fact grow, I'd be willing to bet that no white child would say that, because it wasn't that long ago that whites and blacks both were in the fields picking, an unpleasant memory of impoverishment for all the dispossessed.


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Sweeby has used the term Cultural Bias-which is the term that has come to my mind every time I come back to find out where this post is going. PB&J was being used by this educator as an example of Cultural Bias and Cultural Bias which easily encompasses both racism and sexism is a very powerful thing. It informs our choices constantly and we need to stay aware of that fact-especially those in charge-like teachers. I dont understand the need that some here seem to have to dismiss its power.


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Yes, the concept of cultural bias is simple enough. Everyone has cultural biases.

The example PB sandwich vs tortilla vs whatever is a very crude one, I would say. There are people who in some or many ways correlate with the dominant culture but not in all ways, actually probably there is no one who scores a total 100 on mainstream culture. IOW, when one starts to examine the dominant "culture" up close, it fragments into the various historical pieces. If we are talking about iconic foods, they vary greatly. In fact, there is no sub-culture in north america that has a tradition of peanut-butter sandwiches in it's food-way. No Puritan nor Calvinist nor Celt brought peanut-butter sandwich to north america, nor even sandwich, for that matter. It's a north american invention, like jazz, or baseball, or tex-mex. Therefor it arguably is familiar to every north american, regardless of ethnicity.


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Therefor it arguably is familiar to every north american, regardless of ethnicity.

Yes and no. I think it would depend upon a kid's age. I grew up in an Italian family; my friends were Jewish and Scandinavian. None of us ate peanut butter sandwiches. We did not eat what my grandmother called "American" food until we were older.

I also vaguely remember some kind of rumor going around about peanut butter which said it was very bad for a person's health


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So you are a case in my point. Italians have melded into the mainstream culture and for the most part become "white", but examine a little closer and the various cultural ways, speech, food, etc are specific.


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One of the things that really irks me is the Muslim girls tying to compete in high school sports. Some districts appreciate what they have to go through and make accommodations.

Others won't let them compete because of "uniform violations" by wearing ankle-to-wrist covering clothing.

Given the guts it must take to even think of competing in the first place.......


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There's a Muslim woman who sometimes is on the treadmill beside me at the gym. She's in full Muslim dress, down to a long dress which IMO is very dangerous on a moving treadmill. Her face is mostly covered but she was texting on her iPhone.


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So you are a case in my point. Italians have melded into the mainstream culture and for the most part become "white", but examine a little closer and the various cultural ways, speech, food, etc are specific.

All I am saying is that if someone asked me when I was 7 years old to describe peanut butter, I really wouldn't have been able to. I think that is the point of the OP too. Because of my culture, I was not exposed to peanut butter and any one asking me about it would probably have drawn a blank. We just didn't eat it.


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To reinforce jerzee's point, there were any number of foods that I did not encounter until I was an adult - bratwurst, sauerkraut, Boston-baked beans, and the like. Vegetables associated with the southeastern U.S. were unknown. Others, now considered "in" and worth the effort to find, were the norm. Cardoni and finocchio, porcini, polenta, cannellini, borlotti, arugula, for example.

Forgot to mention the revolt against bacala - if my parents hadn't let us see the fish packed in salt perhaps we would have consented to try it.


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Well, Jerzee... I CAN tell you that peanut butter is a very unhealthy thing to feed to your pets, namely dogs. The oils it contains clog the hair follicles, and can cause hair loss and other issues related to the coat and skin. That hasn't stopped that particular industry from taking advantage of people's unawareness, you'll notice.

And, as to the OP...

Not every American is or has been exposed to every facet of American culture due to the melting pot of different nationalities and cultures and habits that our country is made up of, and known for. I'm not familiar with many of the words Nancy mentions, for example. I grew up in a Polish/Czech household with those blended cultures. My Grandmother would not have made us peanut butter and jelly sandwiches, though my Mother, the next generation, did.


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Obviously there is a time thing involved with peanut butter as well. When did it become popular at all? Not before 1900, I would guess, off the top of my head. Did it first catch on in the south?

Seems like for an iconic thing, the PB-sandwich, we don't know that much about it....


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Wikipedia says the first patent was given to a Canadian in the 1880's. Peanut-butter in the form of a concoction called 'plumpy-nut' is apparently a major life-saver of severely starved children.

The Aztecs made a type of peanut-butter long before any european tasted it.


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Wouldn't tahini rank as an ancient form of peanut butter?


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Not unless sesame ranks as a peanut, aye?

I was subjected to a lot of tahini during my parents hippie/macro stage. Took a long time after that before I could bear even the smell of it. Still I can't stand sunflower seeds on salad, or avocados.


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Wouldn't tahini rank as an ancient form of peanut butter?

Yes. Even though it isn't a legume or a nut it is considered in the same category as peanut and nut butters nd has been refered to as an ancient nut butter. It is also usually classified under nut butters on sites giving nutritional information and sold along side them in markets and health food stores.

Almonds and forms of almond butter with and without honey have been around since ancient times also.


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nancy: I remember being able to choke down the baccala...but I drew the line at lumache. Your list of Italian foods is mouthwatering. Some of the things nonna grew on her farm were cardoni, which I loved fried, fiori di zucca and cucuzza.


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Jerzee, thankfully no lumache. I remember fiori di zucca!

And the prosciutto and various salami for special occasions.

There's a family story of my grandfather and great uncle growing cardoni in Boyle Heights (East Los Angeles) back when it was a new suburb. The seeds spread the plants to neighboring empty land, and they claimed that the Anglo neighbors thought the plants were artichokes, and kept wondering when the choke would appear.

I think my craving for olives goes back to my childhood.


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I like a tahini dressing on falafel. Speaking of which, anybody ever make it from fava instead of garbanzo?


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We had falafel 'burgers' yesterday with tahini, so it was on my mind :-). Used dried chickpeas for that batch, but I've tried it with both fresh favas and dried.

The fresh favas make great falafel, thats a real treat. We made some earlier this year. I tried once with dried favas, but didn't cook them properly, they turned to mush, and it was somewhat of a disaster.


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anybody ever make it from fava instead of garbanzo?

Yes. I love it. It's more popular in Egypt than elsewhere. I also love Ful which is also made of fava beans.

Between PN and Nancy my mouth is watering.


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For a time I could find fresh fava at the farmers' market, but haven't seen any in a couple of years. Same for fresh borlotti.


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Darn, I should have made falafel earlier when the favas were green. I tried it once this summer when they were about half-dry, and it was a disaster as you say. The dough looked good but then simply disintegrated in the hot oil. I have some totally dry now. Maybe the thing to do is soak them in hot water until the skins can be sloughed off, and then let them re-dry and then grind?

Or just not worry about the skins?


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"children don't usually see race... they see other children to play and interact with. Jodik

So true. My nephews, born and raised in small town Colorado where there are no black people came to visit. They must have been about 6 and 7 or 7 and 8. Grandma took them to Chuckie Cheese. Well, the nephews and Grandma were the only white people in the place. Grandma said the nephews never even noticed or said a word about it.

Kids hear, see and learn racism from us adults.


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And others just pretend that everybody has the same chances and opportunities in the USA as a white, Christian male, and if they don't succeed, its because they're lazy, made poor decisions, and my new favorite from last week, their wives didn't have high enough expectations.

Of course you are lazy get off the computer and sell your ass-et. Marry up then you will not be poor. How hard is that to understand. Your bad decision to sit on your money maker is just plain as day a "poor decision".

Yep have seen that done and I am sure there are a some that think that is one of those Good Decisions from experience.


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Elvis said You would think that an educator would know the meaning of the word "racist".

Do you? Can you explain what would rise to the level of "racism" or make one a "Racist" in your opinion?

Do you think that the black people were responsible for ruining the neighborhood where your family once lived in Chicago?

How would we identify or discuss the varying degrees of "racial resentment"
that exists without offending those who always seems so defensive about the topic.. from not wanting to live around black people, to having this inexplicable degree of animosity toward our first black President?


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Here is a link to just a few recipes Dr. Carver promoted in his Tuskegee Institute bulletins. Might be fun to try some of them!

FTA "Carver was a talented and innovative cook. His recipes were developed to make tasty and nutritious dishes using local and easily-grown crops. Booker T. Washington thought that Carver had "great ability in and showing what can be done in the use of foods and the preserving of foods." Using Tuskegee Institute bulletins, Carver shared his recipes with farmers and housewives. Many of his recipes would today be considered "nouvelle cuisine." The recipes below are taken from Dr. Carver's bulletins."

Here is a link that might be useful: Recipes from George Washington Carver


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Thanks for peanut-butter cookies, Dr Carver. I couldn't imagine life without them.


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I do love peanut brittle.


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  • Posted by bboy USDA 8 Sunset 5 WA (My Page) on
    Sun, Sep 16, 12 at 15:05

As with other nuts and nut products the main problem with peanut butter is toxic spoilage of the nuts used to make it. Buying only nuts that have been kept frozen from the time they were fresh has been advocated.


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The issue being aflotoxin (sp?) that grows on peanuts and is well known to be carcinogenic. It is in fact the carcinogen of choice to induce cancer in rats. So in many studies by Dr. Colin Campbell and others those exposed rats did not develop cancerous tumors when their intake of animal-based protein (casein) was low or zero, and always did when the said protein goes over about 10% of total calories.

My conclusion is that one can eat peanut-butter if one keeps the animal-based protein low, even if it is a lot of peanut-butter, because the exposure rate to the rats was far more toxin than a person could ever ingest from food sources.

So I can have the cookies but not the milk. Dang!


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Posted by heri_cles 10 (My Page) on Sun, Sep 16, 12 at 11:20

"Elvis said You would think that an educator would know the meaning of the word "racist". Do you? Can you explain what would rise to the level of "racism" or make one a "Racist" in your opinion?

Do you think that the black people were responsible for ruining the neighborhood where your family once lived in Chicago?"

Is this a test? Okay; if you were to say to me that blacks are better athletes because they are built differently than whites, I would say that you made a racist statement. If you were to say to me that you don't like that new black family on the block, no reason given, I would not say that you made a racist statement.


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Oh Good Grief-this is not a post about food or even food preferences-it is about being biased towards those who are most like yourself, it about thinking that kids who bring weird food to lunch are strange, therefore potentially dangerous so you stick with your own safe world of PBJ just in case and if we keep doing this we eventually demonize Muslims and Chinese people who eat weird things-or dress differently or have different colored skin or what ever and when school teachers do it you can discourage part of your students who dont recover from being wrong all the time-wrong skin, wrong look, wrong background-they band together form gangs and steal your stereo which is a BAD thing not to mention growing up ignorant and uneducated because you failed in your job.


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They can HAVE my stereo. I'd give it to THEM.


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Posted by patriciae Z7PNW (My Page) on Sun, Sep 16, 12 at 20:38

"Oh Good Grief-this is not a post about food or even food preferences-it is about being biased towards those who are most like yourself.."

I take issue with that. "Biased" implies prejudice. Feeling most comfortable with others who are like you is more like it. That's natural--not just human nature either. It's certainly nothing new.


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If all kids only had pb-sandwiches to eat in school everybody would be a lot healthier, regardless of biases or food preferences or covert racism.


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I would disagree, Pnbrown... it would depend on the jelly, the type of bread, and the type of peanut butter. These products are not all created equally, just as teachers don't all teach equally well, and racism is still a part of our schools and educational system... though I'm thinking it probably begins as children get older and hear, see, and understand more, given the environment at home and through other exposure. Children learn from the examples adults set, to a large extent.


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yes, it would depend on those things, but even worst-case still probably better, a lot better, than burgers and fries with catsup for veggie.


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Yes Elvis I agree-please stay in your dull safe unchalanged world and be happy with peanut butter but TEACHERS must work outside of their comfort zone-expand their comfort zone and recognize when they are not realizing that they are being biased. If you chose safe old white bread America so be it but I want artisan bread myself. I love livng in a mutlicultural world and I find the differences stimulating


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"Posted by patriciae Z7PNW (My Page) on Mon, Sep 17, 12 at 20:23

"Yes Elvis I agree-please stay in your dull safe unchalanged world and be happy with peanut butter but TEACHERS must work outside of their comfort zone-expand their comfort zone and recognize when they are not realizing that they are being biased. If you chose safe old white bread America so be it but I want artisan bread myself. I love livng in a mutlicultural world and I find the differences stimulating"

Pat, I too like artisan bread--heck, I make my own artisan bread. Chew on that.

I've been multi-cultured up to my eyeballs, so don't try to school me on that. And I feel no particular compulsion to explain myself to you, no offense intended.
You say you agree...with what, I wonder. No matter.

Posted by heri_cles 10 (My Page) on Sun, Sep 16, 12 at 11:20

"Elvis said You would think that an educator would know the meaning of the word "racist".
Do you? Can you explain what would rise to the level of "racism" or make one a "Racist" in your opinion?"

I answered that.

"Do you think that the black people were responsible for ruining the neighborhood where your family once lived in Chicago?"

You'll need to be more specific about what you mean by "ruin the neighborhood".

"How would we identify or discuss the varying degrees of "racial resentment" that exists without offending those who always seems so defensive about the topic."

That, my friend, would be YOU.

"...from not wanting to live around black people, to having this inexplicable degree of animosity toward our first black President?"

No animosity from me against our first multi-racial president based upon his national origins.


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