And Florida managed to make themselves completely irrelevant.

And Atkins (the Missouri 'rape' specialist next door) LOST! Claire won.

Happy, happy dance!

Kate

I cannot wait to go down to the redneck riviera (the panhandle or "L.A." (a.k.a. lower Alabama) and have a drink with some of my friends down there.
They must truly be in mourning right now.

And, of course, it means Nate Silver was 100% accurate. Predicted every state correctly! Facts, baby. They work everytime.

Obama won by over 74,000 votes, Everything but the absentee ballots were counted (and provisional ballots but those would never have favored Romney)
so what in the world was the delay? The Jebber and Rick Scott playing more games ? A call from Karl Rove? Was Jim Baker down there again?

elvis - you do know which of those figures is larger, right?

Kate

Precisely.

Final Florida vote count shows Rep. West has lost, next step could be court

Too fricken funny! I mean, with all that the corrupt Governor Scott has tried to pull to limit the Democrats, and he still lost! West must be choking in disbelief!

I can hardly believe it. I have been surrounded by a FOREST of West signs! He, by far, ran the nastiest ads!

Mind ya, he chose this district..more repugs here! HA ha! Ha!

I was beyond thrilled with the election...Obama, of course, but the Dems all kicked asss!

E

"Ummm. Florida...the president: 50%; Romney 49.1%.'
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Posted by jillinnj (My Page) on Sun, Nov 11, 12 at 0:36

"elvis - you do know which of those figures is larger,
right?"
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Present! Yes. i was responding to this:

"RE: Obama wins Florida

Posted by marquest z5 PA (My Page) on Sat, Nov 10, 12 at 13:55

I just saw it announced. PRESIDENT OBAMA WINS!!!!! IT WAS A LANDSLIDE!!!"

Guess she re-defined "landslide".

I'd be fine with it if that's as far as it went. But no, they want to waste MORE millions of dollars in legal fees chasing windmills, instead.

Karl Rove boasted on the eve of Tuesday's election that all signs pointed towards an electoral college landslide.

"Is this just math that you do as a Republican to make yourself feel better?" Fox host Megyn Kelly asked at one point, "Or is this real?"

Karl Rove predicted landslide... Mr. Romney carrying at least 279 Electoral College votes, probably more."

So who had a LANDSLIDE ELECTORAL COLLEGE WIN?

You might want to ask Karl Rove the question Megyn Kelly asked if you have trouble with the redefining of math. If 279 was a landslide what is 332?

I thought you knew the landslide standards since you told someone they did not know what Karl Rove said election night because you watched him election night.

President Obama 332
Romney 206

LANDSLIDE ACCORDING TO YOUR FOX BOX.

It was very clear to me she meant an electoral college landslide in the election. You really didn't get that?

Does someone want to inform them that picking fights over tidbits on HT will not change the outcome of the 2012 presidential elections?

Romney still lost, and Obama still won!

Kate

Marquest, while I have seen elsewhere that someone might not be 'feeling' your joyful, dancing stick figures you have been displaying for us - seeing as it has not yet been even a single week since the election results have been known, I think they are a fun way to express your totally harmless, non-insulting delight with the win of your presidential candidate.

-I'm sure some conservatives who post regularly and those others who posted regularly right up to the day of the election would have come up with equal, or perhaps even heightened expressions of delight had the win been for Romney.

Please don't quit them anytime soon, it's a fun, harmless and non-insulting way to express your delight and I really enjoy seeing them under your name.

Beyond bizarre indeed. The Snoopys over at KOS already sleuthed this and,
you guessed it,

Arithmatic? Epic Fail.

This petition is based on a lie. Figures.

Bill - I commend you for your level headed thinking, and not sticking your head in the sand as so many others here and everywhere are doing. Of course, I prefer you stick your head in the sand and repeat the whole process in 2014 and 2016, but I give you a lot of credit for not doing it :-).

Last time, Obama lifted up the base with his message of hope and change; this time the base lifted up Obama, with the hope he will change. He has not led the Obama army to leverage power, so now the army is leading Obama.

When the first African-American president was elected, his supporters expected dramatic changes. But Obama feared that he was such a huge change for the country to digest, it was better if other things remained status quo. Michelle played Laura Petrie, and the president was dawdling on promises. Having Joe Biden blurt out his support for gay marriage forced Obama's hand.

The president's record-high rate of deporting illegal immigrants infuriated Latinos. Now, on issues from loosening immigration laws to taxing the rich to gay rights to climate change to legalizing pot, the country has leapt ahead, pulling the sometimes listless and ruminating president by the hand, urging him to hurry up.

Her point - the voters are speaking up.

Thank you mylab123,maddie, jillinnj it truly was how I felt. As I explained I did my jumping the night of the election and in this post when Florida finally announced.

I do not usually address that poster because of the her silly problems but I did say there were only two Announcement Post that were celebrations. EASY TO AVOID.....if she had a problem accepting seeing joy for the hard work and happiness that the President won.

âœ" Barack Obama 4,236,032 50.0%
Mitt Romney 4,162,174 49.1%

I predict it will be a 3 point victory when all is said and done.

marquest - I was doing the happy dance right along with you and enjoyed your dancing stick figures. I agree, don't stop. The fact that one particular poster is a sore loser is no reason to not enjoy the victory.

1936: Democratic incumbent Franklin Roosevelt defeats Republican Alf Landon by 11 million votes and wins Electoral College 523 to 8.

That appears to be the worst, but there were others that were close.

1972: Republican incumbent Richard Nixon defeats Democrat George McGovern by 18 million votes and wins Electoral College 520 to 17.

1984: Republican incumbent Ronald Reagan defeats Democrat Walter Mondale by 16.9 million votes and wins Electoral College 525 to 13.

Wow. So it looks as though 2012 does not qualify for a landslide:

Electoral College landslides in presidential elections over the past century, which saw the winner collect at least double the loser’s Electoral College votes.

I do not understand your question. Did Gore become President? I understand until the standards change regardless of what we say we would like disenfranchised are words.

As it stands now and in 2000 Electoral College is/was the standard regardless of what HT say they want/wanted.

Gore Won the popular vote only, Obama Won the Popular vote and the Electoral College. There is more credibility of the present Electoral College Landslide and Popular vote combined don't you agree? I see it as regardless of what we want and who wins we follow the same standards and talking points.

In 2000 the argument was the majority did not have a voice. 2012 the Majority had a voice and the Electoral College agreed with the majority. That is how I see the issue. Do you understand my thoughts now?

Of course it counts now; the only way a candidate may become president is by winning the electoral college - unless your side can manage to throw the decision to the Supreme Court.

1. Barack Obama has won an overwhelming majority in the Electoral College, a daunting majority of the popular vote and a majority of the nation�s states�including most of the country�s largest states and states in every major region of the republic: New England, the mid-Atlantic, the Great Lakes, the South, the Southwest, the Mountain West and the West.

2. Barack Obama has won more popular votes than any Democratic candidate for president in history�except Barack Obama in 2008.

3. Barack Obama is the first Democratic president to win more than 50 percent of the popular vote in a re-election run since Franklin Delano Roosevelt in 1944.

4. Barack Obama is the only Democratic candidate for president since FDR to twice win more than 50 percent of the national vote.

5. Barack Obama has, in both of his presidential runs, won a higher percentage of the national vote than any Democratic nominee since Lyndon Johnson in his 1964 landslide victory.

But, I think it's safe to say that if the electoral college total in 2012 were reversed, conservatives would certainly be calling it a landslide. In fact, they did before the election when they were predicting Romney would get almost exactly what Obama actually got.

Therefore, your statement:

Or what's good for the goose is good for the gander.

certainly does apply.

My beef is that the electoral college is what got Bush elected in 2000. Liberals don't want that to count, but now they want it to count. Can't have it both ways.

Honestly, it doesn't matter to me if you agree or don't, but the standard over here is, calling someone out when they're wrong. Or at least it has been in the past. I'm probably wrong though since it's a different day and a different issue.

My beef is that the electoral college is what got Bush elected in 2000. Liberals don't want that to count, but now they want it to count. Can't have it both ways.

I can only speak for myself. The problem I had in 2000 was not the electoral college. It was that the Supreme Court did not allow the recount in Flordia to happen. I never denied Bush won the electoral college. But he won it because of the Supreme Court decision. He may have won it anyway, but it would have been nice to find out.

But you're saying it now. Bush won the electoral college then, and there are some that say Gore was "robbed" of that election. Right? You didn't have to be here then. It was said nationally. Although, that sure has come up in the past few months, yet again. It shouldn't have been. It's over. It was over then and it's over now. Whichever group is happy. Let 'em have it.

I think Gore was "potentially robbed" by the Supreme Court. Not by the electoral college. We'll never know what would have happened if the recount was allowed to finish. But, you're right, that's over and done. The only point to that discussion is what did we learn and what could be done differently next time -- not electoral college wise, but having it be decided by the Supreme Court. But, that's a different topic.

Do we really need a babysitter?

I am saying the argument at the time even with the count stopped in Florida

GORE WON THE POPULAR VOTE
BUSH WON ELECTORAL COLLEGE

BUSH 50,456,002 47.87%
GORE 50,999,897 48.38%

That was the argument at the time that there was a disagreement of Electoral college not electing the President by a Majority votes. But by a Majority of electoral college vote.

There is no doubt Obama received Popular vote and Electoral College.

If President Obama had won the electoral college and not the Popular vote I could understand your question.

Nope. You didn't say it. Not one person. Point out where it was said before for elvis' two comments? I, personally, did miss the switch over. Or as y'all say, the flip-flop. and then I CORRECTED myself. Which if you can read one of my comments then you can read others when I said, Oh.

What counts is what you want to count. We understand quite perfectly what the electoral college is, it just wasn't stated. Not in the title and not in posts, until it was time to CYA about "landslide".

Since there is no other vote that determines who is president, "landslide" could not refer to any other vote.

There--it is very simple--and doesn't really need post after post after post after post . . . hashing it over and over and over again to figure out that ONLY the Electoral votes determine the winner and therefore the "landslide" by definition has to refer to the ONLY determining vote.

Sigh. Are we done with this now?

Kate

I guess I "knew" because I had known for a few days that the Florida vote was going to be a very close call and I was hoping the electoral votes would go to Obama because that would mean a landslide victory for him .

So my head was already there.

And now apparently even the EC count doesn't fit the landslide definition .... We'll just call it a "barnstormer" from now on.

So who is flip flopping on the puzzled thoughts? This question is a convenient flip flop on the Conservative part.

Now you want to act confused?

I WILL POST IT AGAIN IN CASE YOU MISSED THE STANDARDS CONSERVATIVES SAID WHEN THEY THOUGHT ROMNEY WOULD WIN.

Karl Rove boasted on the eve of Tuesday's election that all signs pointed towards an electoral college landslide.

"Is this just math that you do as a Republican to make yourself feel better?" Fox host Megyn Kelly asked at one point, "Or is this real?"

Karl Rove predicted landslide... Mr. Romney carrying at least 279 Electoral College votes, probably more."

So who had a LANDSLIDE ELECTORAL COLLEGE WIN? Rob, Elvis Why are you confused?

Arizona Still Counting Ballots Nearly A Week After Election:

Hundreds of thousands of ballots have yet to be counted in Arizona nearly a week after Election Day, a majority of which appeared to come from Maricopa County.

Arizona Secretary of State Ken Bennetts said Saturday that approximately 486,405 ballots still have to be counted across the state, representing more than a quarter of the 1.8 million votes cast. About 322,000 of those uncounted ballots came from Maricopa County, which includes Phoenix and many of its suburbs. The statewide total included 307,620 early ballots and 178,785 provisional ballots.

The New York Times reported that many of those who had to cast provisional ballots were first time minority voters who signed up to receive their ballots in the mail but never did. The group One Arizona is calling on the Justice Department's Civil Rights Division to investigate. DOJ had sent federal observers to Maricopa County to monitor polling place activity on Election Day.

No flipping or flopping on my part. Correcting myself was my polite attempt, thinking Hm, maybe I did miss the statement? But it isn't there. If it is, feel free to show me without screaming. I'm open to saying it was something other than assumption passed around amongst the liberals with an understanding that didn't cross party lines. However, there it is in black and white--it isn't stated, it's assumed. Gallagher says assuming makes an as* out of u and me (see? It spells assume). He's right this time.

I will make one concession, elvis and I should've clarified. Guess we just trying to understand, but it took more than reading what was written!

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esh, I do agree, this is an electoral college landslide. Fully! Good job!

Yes, the OP did not mention electoral college, but you can't really think that anyone thought the popular vote in either Florida or nationally was a landslide.

So, I don't get why the suspicion that the OP didn't really mean electoral college. Those are tricks played by a lot of people here, but never Rob, so I'm confused.

But if you want to understand:

"...Florida" + "landslide"

I was very surprised?! I merely went and looked to see the vote for myself, and found that it was 0.9% different?! I admit, I had stopped keeping up now that it was all in the bag and the last few votes could've been a surprise. So I was really baffled how a 0.9% difference could ever be construed as a landslide. I truly thought, "Whew! By the skin of his teeth, but I'll take it!"

Make more sense now? It could've been this way for elvis too. Not just me. I should've delved further, asked more, but here we are.

:)

But, I am as guilty as anyone else of not making my posting quite clear sometimes. Usually in a case like that, I would apologize and then attempt to clarify what I had meant, like "Oops, I had meant the electoral college, not the Florida vote alone."

I don't think Elvis' or Rob's confusion should have been met with the snark OR THE SCREAMING that it was. A simple "Oops, this is what was meant" would have sufficed.

It wasn't totally clear to everyone (didn't say 'electoral collge').
Clear to some and not clear to others.

And the moral of the story is...

when someone misunderstands what you write...
-explain what you meant
-do not blame the person that misunderstood
-especially when lots of people misunderstand what you wrote, note that perhaps it's the way you wrote it and try to explain again without a long rant
-and realize that apologizing for a mistake/misunderstanding doesn't make you weaker, in fact the opposite

(kind of mixing a couple other threads in here in the moral of the story, but couldn't help myself as it seems related)

Was the horse named Mitt?

*ba-dum ching*

Couldn't resist!

I hope he has many years of living.

But I truly do wonder... who reaps the profit on all the left over Romney Romney/Ryan memorabelia? Per an official 'buy it' site, the $29.50 T-shirts were all marked down to $27.50. Such a deal!

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Who knows maybe the stuff will be worth something later on. Kinda like owning an Edsel now.

This is what happens when you give an inch. Murphy had enough of a lead that no recounting, re tabulating, etc., was required.

Who will oversee the Elections Division?

Somebody should.

E

Move too far left or right and you end up losing national elections.

Lets see if the republicans take a page out of Clinton's book.

I agree Rob did not usually play games and the reason I went into to bold and screaming. I do not play games either. I stand by what I say and say it over and over and scream too.

I thought maybe it was not seen what was said on Fox News and if we are using Elvis as one of the wonder...... the one that professed she saw Karl Rove on Fox Election Night. Then yes I think games are being played. So if you are using Elvis as your back up you lose creditability.

The one that felt we were picking bones if we were celebrating the win. I did say that there were only two post and they are easy to avoid if that person did not want to see the celebration.

So if the point was to come and cause any upset in the two threads that were easy to avoid because it was not appreciated that some were happy. I do not think it worked. It only serves as a reminder of what could not be done at the ballot box.

Have at it.....I am still dancing and flip flopping with the joy. I am done with the explanation unless Elvis would like to see another dance.

But, after reading it again, I don't doubt that some here did legitimately read it differently.

Ann said, "I wouldn't think that anyone would believe that Marquest would consider 50% to 49.1% a landslide by any stretch of the imagination."

And that's exactly why I took it to mean Florida votes. No claim that you make ever surprises me, but I figured I'd point out how nonsensical it was, since no one said a word. I read it literally, which is not easy to do with you (for obvious reasons, known to all who read your posts on a regular basis), but this particular post of yours was quite plain, coherent even. It didn't occcur to me that you weren't posting what you were thinking, I leave the assuming to others; I just responded to what you actually posted.

Yeesh. You could just say something like: "sorry; I should have been more clear". It would have been so simple if you had just clarified your statement from the jump.

Kate

"Ummm. Florida...the president: 50%; Romney 49.1%."

Posted by jillinnj (My Page) on Sun, Nov 11, 12 at 0:36

"You think? I can't figure it out.
elvis - you do know which of those figures is larger, right?"

Posted by lily316 z5PA (My Page) on Sun, Nov 11, 12 at 2:47

"The Repubs always have trouble with math...ask Rove."

Posted by jodik 5 (My Page) on Sun, Nov 11, 12 at 5:15

"Math, facts... anything concrete or tangible. Mind you, not all conservatives have issues with these things, but the more fanatical, the less grounded in reality... or so it would appear."
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Posted by elvis 4b WI (My Page) on Sun, Nov 11, 12 at 0:02
"Ummm. Florida...the president: 50%; Romney 49.1%.'
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Posted by jillinnj (My Page) on Sun, Nov 11, 12 at 0:36

"elvis - you do know which of those figures is larger,
right?"
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"Present! Yes. i was responding to this:

"RE: Obama wins Florida

Posted by marquest z5 PA (My Page) on Sat, Nov 10, 12 at 13:55

I just saw it announced. PRESIDENT OBAMA WINS!!!!! IT WAS A LANDSLIDE!!!"

Guess she re-defined "landslide"."

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Who made a mountain here? I cited the statistics, Jill asked if i could count, lily snarked, jodi snarked, and here you are, Kate, snarking.

On the other hand, if you are talking about someone other than Rob or me in this "molehill to mountain" scenario, excuse me.

"Ummm. Florida...the president: 50%; Romney 49.1%."

Posted by jillinnj (My Page) on Sun, Nov 11, 12 at 0:36

"You think? I can't figure it out.
elvis - you do know which of those figures is larger, right?"

Posted by lily316 z5PA (My Page) on Sun, Nov 11, 12 at 2:47

"The Repubs always have trouble with math...ask Rove."

Posted by jodik 5 (My Page) on Sun, Nov 11, 12 at 5:15

"Math, facts... anything concrete or tangible. Mind you, not all conservatives have issues with these things, but the more fanatical, the less grounded in reality... or so it would appear."
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Posted by elvis 4b WI (My Page) on Sun, Nov 11, 12 at 0:02
"Ummm. Florida...the president: 50%; Romney 49.1%.'
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Posted by jillinnj (My Page) on Sun, Nov 11, 12 at 0:36

"elvis - you do know which of those figures is larger,
right?"
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"Present! Yes. i was responding to this:

"RE: Obama wins Florida

Posted by marquest z5 PA (My Page) on Sat, Nov 10, 12 at 13:55

I just saw it announced. PRESIDENT OBAMA WINS!!!!! IT WAS A LANDSLIDE!!!"

Guess she re-defined "landslide"."

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Who made a mountain here? I cited the statistics, Jill asked if i could count, lily snarked, jodi snarked, and here you are, Kate, snarking.

On the other hand, if you are talking about someone other than Rob or me in this "molehill to mountain" scenario, excuse me.

"Ummm. Florida...the president: 50%; Romney 49.1%."

Posted by jillinnj (My Page) on Sun, Nov 11, 12 at 0:36

"You think? I can't figure it out.
elvis - you do know which of those figures is larger, right?"

Posted by lily316 z5PA (My Page) on Sun, Nov 11, 12 at 2:47

"The Repubs always have trouble with math...ask Rove."

Posted by jodik 5 (My Page) on Sun, Nov 11, 12 at 5:15

"Math, facts... anything concrete or tangible. Mind you, not all conservatives have issues with these things, but the more fanatical, the less grounded in reality... or so it would appear."
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Posted by elvis 4b WI (My Page) on Sun, Nov 11, 12 at 0:02
"Ummm. Florida...the president: 50%; Romney 49.1%.'
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Posted by jillinnj (My Page) on Sun, Nov 11, 12 at 0:36

"elvis - you do know which of those figures is larger,
right?"
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"Present! Yes. i was responding to this:

"RE: Obama wins Florida

Posted by marquest z5 PA (My Page) on Sat, Nov 10, 12 at 13:55

I just saw it announced. PRESIDENT OBAMA WINS!!!!! IT WAS A LANDSLIDE!!!"

Guess she re-defined "landslide"."

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Who made a mountain here? I cited the statistics, Jill asked if i could count, lily snarked, jodi snarked, and here you are, Kate, snarking.

On the other hand, if you are talking about someone other than Rob or me in this "molehill to mountain" scenario, excuse me.

Have fun.

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mar- Don't drag me into your argument against elvis. I'm perfectly capable of thinking for myself. There is more than one right way to think. Disagreeing with you doesn't make me brainwashed. It might even make me smarter. Time will tell.

Rob I love a debate and different opinion. You injected (drag) Elvis into your disagreement........LOL

I've gone back over it. Elvis and I were looking at the popular vote because no one said electoral college until halfway down. Elvis makes both.......

I do not have an argument with elvis. I seldom read her responses because they are personal attacks to Lily or me or other posters she is a equal opportunity attack "the posters" and not the subject. So it is useless to have a discussion with that element.

If you had said "I" only elvis name would not have come into my response. I was expressing if you are stating that elvis did not understand the "landslide" was electoral she was not a creditable person in that argument. Because she had heard the Landslide was 279 Electoral College if it was for Romney on her Fox station. This is not a guess on my part, it is her statement of election night channel she would watch.

Do you understand now why elvis name was used in my response?

It's game playing and I don't appreciate it. I don't accept elvis on a whole any more than I do anyone else.

I've gone back over it. Elvis and I were looking at the popular vote because no one said electoral college until halfway down. Elvis makes both.......

get it now?

Abbott and Costello.

"Who's on second? No, Who's on first....."

Although you do give Abbott and Costello a good run for their money.

Hay

get it now?

The Rove/Fox argument is this Landslide discussion. Not a argument.

1. When you said "Elvis and you" did not understand the Landslide.

2. Elvis knew that if Romney had 279 Electoral Votes it was a landslide according to Rove/Fox.

I go back to your words.

I've gone back over it. Elvis and I were looking at the popular vote because no one said electoral college until halfway down. Elvis makes both.......

No one needed to say Electoral College because Elvis knew.

Perhaps you do not understand that Fox/Rove are one and the same. But according to your WORDS elvis and you are confused. I was saying Elvis is/was not confused. But you used her NAME as part of YOUR confusion.

It would be helpful if you try to understand there is no ARGUMENT. It is a discussion of what is fact of who is confused. I can discuss a issue without it being a Argument. It is not hostile.

If it is a game I can play that also but I am going into this with facts.

FACTS
Elvis/ Rove/Fox are the discussion of this Landslide understanding.

You used elvis name in your response to the Landslide misunderstanding.

I did not drag you into any elvis words. That was your support, words, use however you chose to address that issue.

Does this explanation make it clear?

If not I can go back and go line by line and make it clearer. I do not like to go copy past, copy paste because I think people can go back and read the entire discussion but I can do that if you do not understand.

Oh, please do!!!!

Hay

Nope. Do not want to be elvis.

mar you don't get it, you'll never get and it matters not to me if you get it.

Kate

Mar, Robin simply misunderstood... just as Elvis did and just as I did at first. It doesn't mean she's drinking the kool-aid.

This is such a small matter of some small wording.

Why not ask mar, why? Why didn't mar drop it, even when everyone else did? Why post to say "then why bother to bring it up"? Why not think it and move on? Why does anyone post anything? Typical of you though, always my monitor. You'd disagree with something I said if you said the exact same thing the day before, because I said it.

"no-substance or credibility. You invited Robin in and gave her a sip of your kool-aid. You made quite a argument of what Karl Rove said and did not say. If Romney won it would be a landslide 279 Electoral College. Suddenly you were "landslide" clueless. That landslide word is only a legitimate rape if it is used for a Romney win."

marquest, you are a very confused woman. I didn't invite Rob anywhere; check it out. Karl Rove isn't a topic on this thread; check it out. I'll leave "landslide clueless" to you; one little comment from me: "Ummm. Florida...the president: 50%; Romney 49.1%." It doesn't matter what you now say you meant; my comment was in response to what you did say. You misspoke; not my problem, don't try to make it my problem. And don't make it Hamilton's problem or Rob's problem.

That last sentence: "That landslide word is only a legitimate rape if it is used for a Romney win."

I don't want to understand you; I'd rather be bitten by a rattlesnake. Such venom.

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We can agree that you did not understand that the landslide was the Electoral College.

Discussion done. Not an argument but a discussion.

I am still happy.....