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GOP: Keep your plan act

Posted by nikoleta (My Page) on
Wed, Nov 13, 13 at 13:24

At least two Democrats have now signed on to the House GOP's "Keep your plan" act. The word from a CNN source is that if the White House doesn't come up with a plan to help Americans get their plans back, Democrats will back the GOP plan.

Isn't this wonderful news?

Here is a link that might be useful: Dems to WH: Fix it or we bail


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Second, Sen. Jeff Merkley (D-OR) became the second liberal Democrat (along with Sen. Dianne Feinstein) to sign on as a co-sponsor to Sen. Mary Landrieu's bill to fix Obama's "if you like your health plan, you can keep it" lie. The legislation grandfathers in all health plans up until January 1st, 2013, as Rep. Fred Upton's bill in the House does, but it takes it a step further. Landrieu does more than just allow insurers to continue offering health plans to current beneficiaries. She requires them to do so.

They realize their political careers are far more important than this president's so-called, signature achievement. :)

Will Harry and Nancy be next?


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They put another lie on the website.

"Quality Coverage You Can Afford".

That's not the case for 30 million Americans.

What is quality coverage? $12,700 out of pocket every calendar year? Do any of you pay that? Would you pay monthly premiums knowing you are at such a risk?


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It's a gesture...they can say..we tried. Obamacare doesn't work if those people who are responsible purchasers of insurance aren't required to purchase Obamacare. This is just the tip of the iceberg. Most insurance provided by employers don't have all the bells and whistles that Obamacare has, so come 2014, they will be cancelled as well. That will bring the number being tossed off their insurance policies to about 93 million.

Don't you love these Obamacare ads being run in Colorado? Really classy stuff.

Here is a link that might be useful: link


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I looked at those ads; OMG. How stupid do they think the average person is? Don't answer; there are clear indications all over the place.


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  • Posted by bboy USDA 8 Sunset 5 WA (My Page) on
    Wed, Nov 13, 13 at 14:33

I will have paid $15,500 this year - with co-pays etc. on top of that. Every year recently it has gone up significantly. I REALLY need effective insurance reform.


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So they want to force insurance companies to do this? Purely political with some very bad real life consequences. Once again, the GOP has ruled the conversation and centered it around the wrong thing with dems allowing it just like the shut down and fake debt crisis.


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Posted by mrskjun 9 (My Page) on
Wed, Nov 13, 13 at 14:06

It's a gesture...they can say..we tried. Obamacare doesn't work if those people who are responsible purchasers of insurance aren't required to purchase Obamacare. This is just the tip of the iceberg. Most insurance provided by employers don't have all the bells and whistles that Obamacare has, so come 2014, they will be cancelled as well. That will bring the number being tossed off their insurance policies to about 93 million.

Don't you love these Obamacare ads being run in Colorado? Really classy stuff.

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O. M. Gosh.

That is unbelievable.

All of them.

Culture of corruption and irresponsible behavior advertised.

I shouldn't be surprised, however, the ads appeal to the lowest common denminator--targeting the low information self absorbed Democrat voter.

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I think the Republicans shouldn't do a thing.

Barack Obama, Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid have been wagging their fingers that they had all the answers, let's see what they've got work.

SHOW TIME.

So far the first act sucks.

Where's that cane to drag them off stage?


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•Posted by bboy USDA 8 Sunset 5 WA (My Page) on Wed, Nov 13, 13 at 14:33

"I will have paid $15,500 this year - with co-pays etc. on top of that. Every year recently it has gone up significantly. I REALLY need effective insurance reform.'

Are you going to get relief? What will your cost be in 2014?


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I will have paid $15,500 this year - with co-pays etc. on top of that. Every year recently it has gone up significantly. I REALLY need effective insurance reform.

Brother, I feel your pain. However, the ACA would cost me an additional $3,000 with triple out of pocket.

Affordable Health Care Act.


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  • Posted by bboy USDA 8 Sunset 5 WA (My Page) on
    Wed, Nov 13, 13 at 18:28

I haven't looked into making any changes yet, and with the AHCA appearing to flounder so far maybe I won't be making any - at least any involving the new system. What I need to give more study is if there is actually a way to cut my existing monthly costs significantly without slashing benefits to the point that I end up paying as much (or more) due to increased out of pocket costs than if I maintained the same punitive premium schedule.

If I could drop some of the drugs at some point that might start to bring it within reach. Otherwise, dropping the drug benefit alone continues to appear to make it not an improvement to reduce coverage much - one of the ones I buy is about 300 bucks a bottle with the plan paying for a lot of it.

And I do make use of discount cards offered by drug companies, although sometimes there are snafus.


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Why is it the republicans, so called free market champions don't understand function of that market and insurance companies cancel plans all the time and now you are ok with forcing private industry not to do so...not to mention these are plans that they sold knowing they would not meet ACA requirements by years end.

As usual the republican solution is nothing more than a sound bite and the dems that go along are worried about re election and not real solutions.


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Maggie, just because dems don't like the republican proposal doesn't mean they don't have a solution.


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"I shouldn't be surprised, however, the ads appeal to the lowest common denminator--targeting the low information self absorbed Democrat voter. "

Yep. "OMG He's Hot! Hope he's as easy to get as birth this control!" tells you exactly what the elites think of America's young women.

Democrats are trying to reach America's daughters where they are. They're "hot to trot" with cute young men they've seen before in their lives, and about whose background they know absolutely nothing.


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The solution would cause premiums to go up across the board according to insurance industry analyst. The feel good solution would do more harm.


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Maggie, most people are seeing their premiums rise now, and deductibles. And if young people don't sign up, somebody has to pay for the sick people who do...and that would be anyone who isn't getting subsidies or on Medicaid.


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Most people? Most people 95% of people get their insurance through their employer or Medicare.

The individual market was problematic before ACA. You are projecting. 6 months from now we will know much more. Our system has been broken a very long time, more positive than negative has happened since ACA but nobody believes this is an overnight fix.

Glad yo support people that are willing to solve problems.


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Maggie, honestly, do you think democrats are running away from Obamacare like they are because they think it's going to be fixed? Think about it honestly.


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I. Not sure why you find it acceptable to state things that are untrue over and over again in matter of fact ways but it defies logic.

Do you believe republicans actually wish to fix obamacare after causing a government shutdown to derail and causing our nation billions.

Sorry I don't live in the nik, Demi, brush, mrs world of conservative/liberal is the only context on every topic...


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"I haven't looked into making any changes yet, and with the AHCA appearing to flounder so far maybe I won't be making any - at least any involving the new system..."

Thanks for the honest answer, bboy.


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So if the shutdown cost billions, do you think Obamacare is better costing trillions?


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Brush, for the past 3 years since I went off my former employer's and onto Mr. Peanut's policy, we pay $1120 a month for my insurance, with anywhere from 10% to 15% raises in premiums every 2 years or so. If I were to self-insure, the rate would have been even higher. I'm in my 40's with no adverse medical history.

I suspect that most of you on this board are older and on Medicare, and perhaps don't realize that solid, dependable health insurance has been that expensive as a fact of life for many of us for a long time now.

The solution is not to return to the crap policies the rest of us have subsidized with our high premiums; the solution is to be found in addressing the insane acceptance of a for-profit insurance industry that would impose such high premiums to begin with. Single-payer is the clear and obvious way forward.



In the meantime, the irony of our forum tea-partiers begging the federal government to dictate the prices private business sets for its products is, I admit, rather juicy, no?


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In the meantime, the irony of our forum tea-partiers begging the federal government to dictate the prices private business sets for its products is, I admit, rather juicy, no?

lol. They're acting like a bunch of bratty socialists!


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Peanut,

$1,120 is cheap. Be thankful. We agreed to keep our current (excellent) Anthem BC/BS policy through 2014 for $1,416 per month. ACA doesn't offer a better choice for a working couple unless you're poor and receive the taxpayer's share.

Get a quote and let me know what the ACA will cost you as a couple. Since you probably don't qualify for a subsidy, I think you'll be shocked.

One of my kitchen sub-contractors lost his coverage through spouse's employer. She will keep the kids on her employer family plan and he will have to buy individual coverage which will extract an additional $7,200 from their annual budget. Millions will suffer the same way.


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Now we have a new problem.

There are approximately 200 fake websites out there pretending to be Obamacare. How do we know which ones they are? Just remember, the REAL one, is the one that doesn't work!


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The real numbers on Obamacare sign ups are 26,000 on healthcare.gov and an additional 79,000 on state exchanges They include the numbers of people who put a plan in the cart but made no payment. How many times have you used the cart on Amazon and then changed your mind. Or I've seen people ending up with items in the cart which was never their intentions. So naturally, these numbers are skewed.

"Enrollment includes those who have selected a plan who either have or have not yet paid the first month’s premium," HHS said.

But then 396,000 have signed up for Medicaid or CHIP. Makes you wonder how those that are buying the insurance are going to foot that bill.

Here is a link that might be useful: link


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I heard on NPR that so many "million" had visited the website "to obtain health care coverage" and laughed.

I have visited the site just to look at it and couldn't get past the first page, then felt like it was some creepy porno site like you accidentally google for information and you hit that exit button as fast as you can.

Loggin on does NOT necessarily mean you want OBAMACARE, contrary to what the White House water boy and girls want us to think.

This post was edited by demifloyd on Thu, Nov 14, 13 at 8:52


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We still don't know.

Here is a link that might be useful: Four Important Things We Don't Know


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Maggie, most people are seeing their premiums rise now, and deductibles

As they have every year. My employer provided insurance has gone up every year. Some years a small jump. Some years a big jump.

You all act like it's never happened until Obama came along. You clearly have no clue.

In the meantime, the irony of our forum tea-partiers begging the federal government to dictate the prices private business sets for its products is, I admit, rather juicy, no?

Yes. They don't even understand what they are doing. Laughable.


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I have visited the site just to look at it and couldn't get past the first page, then felt like it was some creepy porno site like you accidentally google for information and you hit that exit button as fast as you can.

Holy Moses....Really? Have you been to that many porn sites that you can actually make the comparison?


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"Thanks for the honest answer, bboy."

Yes, bboy. Thank you. We need a system to facilitate citizens' access to affordable health care, but this aint it. There was no need to upend the lives of tens of millions of insured Americans in order to insure the uninsured. That was a choice for which Democrats alone are responsible. Now we're learning the very population obamacare was supposed to "help" is not nearly as interested in getting themselves insured as the politicians told us they would be.

"In the meantime, the irony of our forum tea-partiers begging the federal government to dictate the prices private business sets for its products is, I admit, rather juicy, no?"

Nonsense. The president and Democrat incumbents gave their word nobody would lose their insurance. How they work that out with the insurance companies is not my problem. Making the plan they sold to the public work as they promised it would is their job. Some Democrats finally understand their constituents are actually going to hold them accountable if they don't keep their word.

"Just remember, the REAL one, is the one that doesn't work!"

Ha! Good one, Chris! I heard Rand Paul the other day describe how in the real world you go online to browse, and only after you decide to buy something do you give your personal information. He asked who in their right mind would design a system where you have to give up all your personal information before you can even LOOK!


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Posted by jerzeegirl 9 (My Page) on
Thu, Nov 14, 13 at 9:02

I have visited the site just to look at it and couldn't get past the first page, then felt like it was some creepy porno site like you accidentally google for information and you hit that exit button as fast as you can.

Holy Moses....Really? Have you been to that many porn sites that you can actually make the comparison?

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How glaringly obvious you are, Jerzeegirl.

It only takes once or twice to look up information about breast cancer (or it did years ago when I had a scare) and accidentally get on a porn type website.

Progress has been made in searches and software that warns of those types of sites, and I'm more aware with experience now so that has not happened to me in years.

That's the feeling I had on Obamacare, that someone was watching me, and X'd out of there pronto!~

They obviously were because the reported the numbers.


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Oh for crying out loud, demi. Just stop it. It does not become you. You know you don't believe what you are saying. You are just saying this stuff to annoy. It really just make you sound like a weirdo.


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I'm not a weirdo, but I am paranoid about privacy.

Barack Obama and the Democrats have made it clear that they intend to interfere in the lives of people and legislatively exercise control over those lives and that, coupled with spy technology, recording of visits at website, and personal and financial information required before anyone can even look at prices on the website (according to some), coupled with the reported lack of security, it gave me the creeps.

It isn't the only website where I felt that.

I have an aversion to those that want to take away the freedom of my choices.


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I have an aversion to those that want to take away the freedom of my choices.

So you prefer to take away others' freedom of choice.


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The subsidies are simply a tax break for low snd middle class Americans. Tired of the sneering comments about it and ironic that the same folks are all for business subsidies (tax credits).

Demi, you are paranoid about privacy yet tell your life story here and post photos of your home o other forums. SMH


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Posted by jerzeegirl 9 (My Page) on
Thu, Nov 14, 13 at 9:48

I have an aversion to those that want to take away the freedom of my choices.

So you prefer to take away others' freedom of choice.

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Nope, I don't want to take away any freedoms anyone has.

I do not think that some people should GAIN opportunities or choices by denying freedoms to others.

Freedom and opportunity are two different concepts and I feel the freedom to make choices about my health care and the freedom of others are denied by giving more opportunities to a select few, in addition to being forced to pay more.


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Brush, the $1120 is just for me. Mr. Peanut pays another $560 for his policy, supplemented by 50% paid by his employer, the total then being $1680 out of pocket for both of us as a couple. I don't think I qualify for subsidies, but since I've got a startup company and am still getting it going, profit-wise, who knows. I'll check my state's site and see what's out there and report back.


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Posted by maggie2094 (My Page) on
Thu, Nov 14, 13 at 9:53

Demi, you are paranoid about privacy

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Posting photos of one's home on a home building site and home decorating site with other like minded people that share the same information is different than sharing one's income, social security number, address, telephone number, etc. on a government website with security problems, and being forced to share all of that information just to look at a government site.

Don't you get that?


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brush: "$1,120 is cheap. Be thankful. We agreed to keep our current (excellent) Anthem BC/BS policy through 2014 for $1,416 per month. ACA doesn't offer a better choice for a working couple unless you're poor and receive the taxpayer's share."

Same here, brush, only our premium is just a tad higher. It's very annoying that in addition to subsidizing the poor, which in a civilized society is a given, we're now required to subsidize the lower-income end of middle class, effectively putting ourselves down into that available income bracket.

Again, we recognize our responsibility to help our fellow man if he, due to cirumstances beyond his control, can't survive without financial assistance, but sharing our gains with those that can do for themselves is not what we're working for. We want to, at some point while we're still able to, enjoy the fruits of our labors.

Selfish? Sue me. Wait--that's pretty much what is going on here. We're effectively being financially penalized for wanting more and doing more to obtain same.

I look at the recent posts wherein posters are crowing about their financial gains, and it is wonderful that they are making so much money, truly, I'm all for that. I guess they either have their Medicare, or they can afford higher insurance premiums. We're not all in that boat.

Someone recently posted something to the effect that "you've got yours" and I think that is the mindset for some here who are basically unaffected by the negative aspects of the AHCA. Thankfully (to me) there is only a handful of you (very vocal and vehement) posters.


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Someone recently posted something to the effect that "you've got yours" and I think that is the mindset for some here who are basically unaffected by the negative aspects of the AHCA.

Well, what is one supposed to do? Join a convent? Walk around in sackcloth and ashes beating oneself with a switch? I don't know what you want from those who are not affected. Many of us are already paying lots of money for our health insurance. We don't need the ACA to make us subservient to the insurance industry - we are there already!

Furthermore, if you have not yet arrived at where you want to be in life, just chalk it up to personal responsibility. Only you can achieve your goals.


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No one, so far, seems to be aware that President Obama, as of today, is offering a "keep your plan" Obamacare fix--you can renew your crappy, inadequate policy for one year.

Obviously, this is his response to the Republican plan (intended to damage Obamacare, however) and to the request of some Democrats like Diane Feinstein to provide a Democratic fix in place of the Republican one. One cannot accuse the President of being unresponsive to the public--he has offered this temporary fix while all the kinks get worked out with the new system.

That the new system is running into some problems does not greatly disturb or surprise me. If some of you knew your history better, you would be aware that all new major programs run into these problems--Medicare did, and its opponents snarked and sneered just like Republicans are today with Obamacare--but given time and good faith effort, the kinks got worked out and most Americans now would never give up their Medicare.

But "good faith" effort is the key--and no where apparent among the Republicans since the first day the Democrats tried to formulate the new Obamacare program.

So what does everyone think about Obama's new "fix"? Or are we going to continue to argue about yesterday's news?

Kate

Here is a link that might be useful: Administrative


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No one, so far, seems to be aware that President Obama, as of today, is offering a "keep your plan" Obamacare fix--you can renew your crappy, inadequate policy for one year.
And just how do you propose he do this? He's going to order the insurance companies to renew these policies? I don't think so. Insurance companies have switched over to the new "law". This is going to be fun to watch the spin. Maybe he can go to congress and have them rewrite the law? Ummm, no, he was willing to see the government shut down over extending the mandate for a year. oh, what to do, what to do.


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Posted by mrskjun 9 (My Page) on
Thu, Nov 14, 13 at 12:05

No one, so far, seems to be aware that President Obama, as of today, is offering a "keep your plan" Obamacare fix--you can renew your crappy, inadequate policy for one year.
And just how do you propose he do this? He's going to order the insurance companies to renew these policies? I don't think so. Insurance companies have switched over to the new "law". This is going to be fun to watch the spin. Maybe he can go to congress and have them rewrite the law? Ummm, no, he was willing to see the government shut down over extending the mandate for a year. oh, what to do, what to do.

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Yea, over three years the insurance industry has changed the way it does things to accomodate Barack Obama's insistence on how to run their business.

NOW, he is going to go on stage and say he wants people to keep their plans that have already been canceled?

This idiotic nonsense trainwreck is out the gate.
There is NO GOING BACK LIKE IT WAS.

TOO LATE BARRY.

SUCK IT UP and OWN IT AND LET'S WATCH IT WORK.

JUST LIKE YOU PASSED IT AND TWEAKED IT.


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"No one, so far, seems to be aware that President Obama, as of today, is offering a "keep your plan" Obamacare fix--you can renew your crappy, inadequate policy for one year."

I'm not at work today; I saw/heard that, kate. I've got the same question mrs has; "And just how do you propose he do this? He's going to order the insurance companies to renew these policies?"

I dunno; seems like more "kicking the can down the road" to me. Actually, more likely he's freaking out over the pressure, and his handlers (rightly) figure this will throw a little water on the fire. What if it's a grease fire?

No "fix it" solutions here. I guess we'll keep spinning this and watch the train wreck.


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TOO LATE BARRY.

SUCK IT UP and OWN IT AND LET'S WATCH IT WORK.

JUST LIKE YOU PASSED IT AND TWEAKED IT.

I am shocked at how much you and your cohorts despise this country.


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Posted by jerzeegirl 9 (My Page) on
Thu, Nov 14, 13 at 12:56

TOO LATE BARRY.

SUCK IT UP and OWN IT AND LET'S WATCH IT WORK.

JUST LIKE YOU PASSED IT AND TWEAKED IT.

I am shocked at how much you and your cohorts despise this country.

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I do not despise anyone, least of all this country.

I care about it, and I can't wait to watch this intrustion on our liberties and our economy fall flat on it's face.

Of course I would like to see a reasonable plan in it's place, and the few acceptable tenets remain or replaced.

Your comments about what YOU think I think about our country or anyone aren't germane to this thread, jerzeegirl.

Again--an entire post about what you think about ME.

This post was edited by demifloyd on Thu, Nov 14, 13 at 13:05


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