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American Health Hostage to Commerce for 30 Years?

Posted by chisue (My Page) on
Wed, Nov 13, 13 at 14:57

It's been almost 30 years since other first world nations began national health insurance where the individual chooses the providers (Canada, Australia, etc.), as opposed to the UK where the nation provides the services directly.

Why can't we get there? What's the major obstacle, outside of corporate profits?


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My guess would be overwhelming mistrust of the government by many and anything associtated with said government. Couple with that mistrust a seeming American notion of not liking being told what one has to do. "Why should I have to pay for care if I do not want it," etc.


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  • Posted by bboy USDA 8 Sunset 5 WA (My Page) on
    Wed, Nov 13, 13 at 18:33

The obstacle is corporate influence and the taking over of the government by business interests. Ralph Nader wrote a book about the problem that is roughly 2 inches thick, where he says the people need to take the government back; the situation is not like it was when we were younger.


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Take the government back? Hmmmmmmmmmm...seems like so many are quite satisfied with what today's government in Washington is doing.

I'm afraid we don't have the balls to begin taking anything back, until there's a Republican in the White House. *g.


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I also see some perverse 'pride' -- the idea this was Not Invented Here. We need some ad men to wrap it up in our flag and sell it. (Worked for the gun makers.)


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To quote a past President: the business of the US government is business. The greatest profits centers in the US economy are related to health care/insurance and military procurement/management. Both are self-regulating and self-promoting and will not allow any moves to socialize the costs and thus limit the privatized profits.


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Chisue, it's the conflation of product assortment with "freedom". Americans have been groomed to be the perfect consumers for generations now, and they honestly think that the larger a store's shelves, the better off they are. Ask many members on this forum who truly believe that Walmart offers more "choices", despite the low quality of their items that all emanate from the same environmentally destructive resin factory in China.

It's also to a large extent the fault of a really hit-or-miss educational system that can produce citizens who actually think someone like Barack Obama is a "socialist."

Interestingly, in a documentary called "The Healthcare Movie", about the origins of the Canadian national healthcare system, I learned that it was medical doctors who raised the biggest objections to Canadian nationalized healthcare in the late 40's. They went on strike, even.

Here is a link that might be useful: The Healthcare Movie


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We need more time to allow, such that, market forces which have always led the way to resolve theses kinds of events & well we have had the best health care before this disaster.
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United Health Care, Aetna, and the other mega-insurers, all making hundreds of millions a year in profits, are not going to go quietly into that good night.

There's a reason that all the major pharmaceutical companies in the US are foreign-based and owned - unfettered profits, where as everywhere else in the world, they have to negotiate with the gvt before they sell their stuff.


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