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ACORN stole election for President Obama

Posted by dublinbay z6 KS (My Page) on
Thu, Dec 6, 12 at 4:00

Yup--Fox and the Republicans are up to no good again.

Latest news flash?
In the PPP poll, 49 percent of Republicans polled believed that ACORN stole the election from Mitt Romney. . . .
Despite no longer being in operation, ACORN has found a place on Fox News as a regular source of blame. Fox News has accused ACORN of rampant voter fraud during the 2012 election cycle, despite the organization no longer being in service.

Can you believe this? Republican radicals killed off ACORN two years ago by doctoring a video to create a misleading and negative image of ACORN, but this non-existent organization unfairly stole the election for President Obama!

I was laughing so hard that I double-checked to make sure this wasnt' an Onion satire. Nope--there it is in the Huffington Post and the Examiner and other mainstream media sources.

Wow, that is quite a feat! No wonder Fox News is reporting it front and center as the cause of Romney's defeat!

I dunno--what do you think? Have Republicans learned anything from their unexpected defeat? 49% think Mitt's loss is ACORN's fault? Don't think much has been learned.

By the way, that poll also shows that a quarter of Republicans want to secede from the Union. I say, let them go. Give them their walking papers, as they request.

Wonder where they will go that will be better?

Kate

Here is a link that might be useful: ACORN stole 2012 election


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RE: ACORN stole election for President Obama

Why do you say FOX kate. This hasn't been reported on FOX at all. Ahhh but I bet it was reported at the White House a couple of days ago. The little get together Obama had with his MSNBC promoters and Arianna. Bet they all left with a tingle up their legs. FOX wasn't invited. Only the Obama promoters. A little thank you for helping get him elected perhaps?


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Romney has moved on so should the rest of them...


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Of those idiots, how many believe that President Obama

1. Is Muslum

2. Has a socialist agenda that plans to take over the US

3. Wasn't born in the US?

There is a post on the page showing that a large majority of people support and don't support a fabricated debt reduction plan.

I guess ACORN is still the Boogyman.

This post was edited by elly_nj on Thu, Dec 6, 12 at 9:56


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RE: ACORN stole election for President Obama

If it weren't for all those contrived bogeymen, the people might actually find out some real news or learn some real facts and numbers... it's best to keep fear and fallacy rolling along...


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As long as the republicans remain ignorant of reality, the less chance they have of getting elected. That's okay with me.


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JG, there will always be the war parties, warring against each other and warring against the world.

Richard, I agree. Romney has moved on to a multi-million $ paycheck...let's move on.


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FOX wasn't invited.

I should think not! They don't care about him or any good thing that he does ... why WOULD he invite them? I sure wouldn't.


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So why wonder why the country is so divided esh? News media is supposed to be unbiased, we know that it isn't, so is our government. Yet he only invites the leftist pundits? Only proving once again, that he is the most divisive president in history. What he is telling conservatives, is, I'm not your president, I'm only the president for those who agree with me and promote my agenda. So, you are welcome to him.


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Fox News is so obviously biased ... they have brought this on themselves.

It is what it is in this case.


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And MSNBC is not so obviously biased esh? I expect them to show up in cheerleading uniforms with big O's on the front. Of course an invite to the White House is a nice thank you for helping one get re-elected.


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We are all entitled to our own opinions ... even President Obama gets one.


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I read this on a blog 2 days ago! I read the origin of the poll coupled that with what I know about some of our own posters determination to stick to a story line figured some of the poll was valid but why keep kicking these, losers!
I also noticed the new rhetoric outta RYAN & RUBIO same BS dressed up in new drag!

MSNBC didn't have half it;s contributors working on OBAMAS campaign as ad visors K! (small conflict of public interest)


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MSNBC didn't have half it;s contributors working on OBAMAS campaign as ad visors K! (small conflict of public interest)

Nor has MSNBC actively recruited a candidate to run against the incumbent in the White House.


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mrsk asked: Why do you say FOX kate. This hasn't been reported on FOX at all

Since I don't watch Fox, I couldn't say for sure, but in this case, I was quoting the news source (the words in italics)--so if you have a quibble about this, you'll have to take it up with them.

Besides, my post was about Republicans--nearly half of them believing a non-existant organization defeated Mitt! (according to the poll)

Interesting that the Republicans want to "move on." If nearly half of any group I belonged to believed in the powers of non-existant organizations, I'd want to move on quickly also--out of pure embarassment.

And don't kid us about the anti-Obama-ites really wanting to "just get along" with Democrats if Democrats would only be nice to them. When a quarter of your people want to leave the country because Obama got elected, that does not signal the desire of Republicans to get along with Democrats--and the obstinancy of Boehner and his congressional Republicans who refuse to play ball with the President when it comes to avoiding the country's "fiscal cliff" looming ahead further fails to signal the desire of Republicans to get along with the Democrats.

Or is Boehner saying, do everything our Republican way if you want us to get along with you? I kinda think so.

Kate


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Mrs, this was not a thank you lunch it was a briefing on the Presidents position on the fiscal cliff. It is not at all unusual for a President to brief some elements of the press when they want to present their view to a group they believe will represents them fairly and /or favourably. Bush did it with FOX.

It's politics!

As far as being divisive...just thank your lucky stars you don't have a President who, by his own admission, only intended to represent half the country!


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  • Posted by vgkg 7-Va Tidewater (My Page) on
    Thu, Dec 6, 12 at 9:59

Poor FOX, left out in the cold like a blind squirrel scrounging around for an imaginary acorn.


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Yes they heard that 47% thing loud & clear! Did you hear the bite in Ryan yesterday the emphasis!

"We have a compassionate vision based on ideas that work - but sometimes we don't do a good job of laying out that vision. We need to do better,"

man is trying to escape the gravitational force of his hero Ayn Rand the smells all over him like a cheap hooker!


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And MSNBC is not so obviously biased esh? I expect them to show up in cheerleading uniforms with big O's on the front.

While MSNBC is biased to the left, they do have conservatives on both as regulars and as guests. Conservatives have a chance to state their positions on this show and I have never seen them treated less than respectfully even when there is strong disagreement.

As I don't watch Fox, I am not sure that they can say the same.


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I'm reading that the White House was going to invite the whole FOX gang over, but when he heard that the network had dumped Karl Rove and Dick Morris for their laughable performance during the election, he was so upset that he forgot.


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Of course an invite to the White House is a nice thank you for helping one get re-elected.

But, but, but, MSNBC has the smallest viewership of already partisan voters (much less than FOX), so how could it have possibly helped to re-elect the president?


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I've said before, and will repeat, that although MSNBC "leans left," they go out of their way to make sure there is a factual basis to their stories that can be verified and they even acknowledge--publically--when they get their facts wrong. They do not make-up "outrages" based on over-active imaginations and little or no facts--as Fox often does.

That a news source has a clear viewpoint doesn't bother me. It is news sources that hype and exaggerate and out'n out lie about what is going on--and then have the gall to announce (frequently) that they are "fair and unbiased" although everybody knows they shill for the Republican Party--that is what I can't stand. Fortunately, MSNBC does NOT fall into that latter category, but FOX certainly does.

Kate


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Kate is absolutely right. MSNBC even has a policy that their employees cannot contribute to any candidate. Fox cannot say the same.

It is sad that Fox viewers do not realize they are lied to and used for their financial gain. They sit and do not have enough money to feed their children and believe these over paid talking heads lie to them as they sit there like bobble heads sitting on the car dashboard. It is a mystery to me when you cannot do the best for your children because you do not have enough money and you support the party that considers you a taker. How crazy is that?

Fox is not a news station it is a Republican propaganda outlet one of many. They should not be invited to the White House it is beneath the honor. It would have been like extending a invitation to the local whore house because they certainly Pimp their viewers.


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You ask a dumb question, you get a dumb answer. I think that's the point.

I don't know whether to post this on this thread or the other thread that Dave started about one question from this "poll", about support for the nonexistent Panetta-Burns plan.

Where vgkg opines

"Maybe that 25% heard about the Panetta-Burns plan on FOX, they do like punking their audience, as in the War on Xmas, Romney is definitely going to win, fair & balanced, etc."

Really, now?

The poll. Brought to you by Public Policy Polling, " founded in 2001 by businessman and Democratic pollster Dean Debnam, the firm's current president and chief executive officer."

(I keep thinking about O'keefe, the Acorn Hoaxster.)

And the winner is....

Obama supporters by a nose!!!

I kinda like these results, too.

Norquist sounds like a healthy juice drink or something like that to me. I like it.

You ask a dumb question, you get a dumb answer.

I can tell you this much. If I ever get a polling question call from PPP, I'm going have a little fun. Margin of error: zero.

Hay


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Your opinion about God.

While I was looking into this, I came across references to another poll done by these hoaxsters.

IF God exists.....

Turns out that the Democrats and the Liberals, taking the premise that God actually does exist are not so forgiving of his accomplishments.

Democrats approve: 50%
Republicans approve: 58%

So, who is dumber?

Hay


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I think its silly for anyone to suggest Obama stole the election through Acorn this time.
Not true. Although they were actively working for his re-election.

But anyone who would think a powerful and corrupt Acorn,
is not still in business, doesn't fully understand
corruptness and greed . Corrupt and greed is not within
just the BIG Companies.
The wallet of Uncle Sam has corrupted many many organizations.
They just change names and keep on keeping on.

Alliance of Californians for Community Empowerment, New York Communities for Change, New England United for Justice in Massachusetts and Arkansas Community Organizations.

That's some of them.


Obama Administration Gives $446 Million to ACORN Veteran
By Matthew Vadum : June 12, 2012, 1:49 AM EST

A former senior ACORN official has been put in charge of close to half a billion taxpayer dollars in Illinois, one of the most corrupt states in the Union and the home state of America�s Community Organizer-in-Chief.

What could possibly go wrong?

In 2010 the Obama administration designated $7.6 billion for a foreclosure relief program. Of that total $445.6 million will be administered by ACORN alumnus Joe McGavin, now a director at the Illinois Housing Development Authority. As Judicial Watch discovered, McGavin was "Chicago Operations Manager" at Affordable Housing Centers of America (AHCOA) from November 2008 through January 2011, according to his LinkedIn profile.

Until two years ago AHCOA was called ACORN Housing. The nonprofit corporation renamed itself Affordable Housing Centers for America after undercover activists caught ACORN employees offering helpful advice about starting a brothel for pedophiles and committing other crimes on video in 2009. Soon after, popular revulsion prompted Congress to ban funding of ACORN and groups related to it.

ACORN Housing, which had been the largest affiliate in ACORN�s corrupt, taxpayer-subsidized empire of activism, grew out of crime: squatting. It emerged from a 1982 action in which ACORN built a squatters� tent city behind the White House.

ACORN Housing helped to erode lending standards by pushing the financial affirmative action law known as the Community Reinvestment Act. The group also pressured banks to adopt, in its own words, "more flexible underwriting criteria that take into account the realities of lower-income communities." Inner-city lenders were pressured to use "less traditional income sources such as food stamps," the group bragged in a pamphlet years before the mortgage bubble that it helped to inflate burst.

Not much is known about McGavin but it is clear that he has worked at the Illinois Housing Development Authority since February 2011. Richard M. Daley, mayor of Chicago from 1989 to 2011, happens to be "Of Counsel" at Katten Muchin Rosenman LLP, the same law firm at which IHDA chairman Terry E. Newman is a partner.

The federal money McGavin is administering comes from the U.S. Treasury Department�s Hardest Hit Fund which is supposed to be used to help the "unemployed or substantially underemployed" make their mortgage payments. Mortgage counseling and foreclosure counseling are lucrative taxpayer-funded scams that politicians use to enrich their allies in the left-wing activist community.

Given ACORN�s 40-year history of sustained criminal activity that I documented at length in my book, Subversion Inc.: How Obama�s ACORN Red Shirts are Still Terrorizing and Ripping Off American Taxpayers, it is amazing how easy it is for ACORN veterans to find new employment. Common sense dictates that former ACORN officials ought to bear a scarlet letter �A� that makes finding new jobs at least a little bit more difficult � but they don�t. Not even close.

ACORN is everywhere and McGavin is merely the tip of the ACORN iceberg. The lawless Alinskyite agitators of ACORN operate with impunity, deliberately ignored by the mainstream media. Some journalists want to protect President Obama who was an employee of ACORN and the group�s lawyer. Other reporters are so far to the left that ACORN�s activities seem normal, even admirable, so they tend not to get covered much in the media.

ACORN-SEIU operative Patrick Gaspard now runs the Democratic National Committee after serving as political director in the Obama White House. Convicted voter fraud ringleader Amy Busefink still works at ACORN affiliate Project Vote organizing voter registration drives, the same thing that landed her in legal hot water when she was employed by ACORN. ACORN founder Wade Rathke travels the globe fomenting revolution (and in India with the assistance of the Obama administration). ACORN operative Jehmu Greene is now a paid on-air Fox News Channel contributor.

HUD Secretary Shaun Donovan is a longtime ally of ACORN and has been since his days as New York mayor Michael Bloomberg�s housing development commissioner. The mainstream media doesn�t care about Donovan�s unsavory connections so the ethically questionable cabinet member continues doling out millions of dollars in taxpayer funds to his old friends at ACORN. Donovan is just one of several Obama cabinet members who kissed Al Sharpton�s ring at the convention his group, National Action Network, held recently in Washington, D.C.

Various ACORN front groups (Working Families Party, New York Communities for Change, Alliance of Californians for Community Empowerment, Missourians Organizing for Reform and Empowerment) were deeply involved in organizing and participating inOccupy Wall Street protests and they�re gearing up right now to reelect President Obama in November.

Meanwhile, the ACORN front group New England United for Justice, which is headed by former national ACORN president Maude Hurd, has filed suit against Massachusetts.

The group accuses the Bay State of violating the National Voter Registration Act (a.k.a. Motor-Voter law). The accusation is hard to believe because in Massachusetts Obama�s close personal friend and fellow leftist Gov. Deval Patrick and the Democrat-controlled state legislature routinely bend over backwards to enforce all the latest politically correct diktats. The lawsuit itself (which may be viewed here) may be, among other things, an attempt to shake down the Commonwealth for money.

The plaintiffs are demanding several remedies including that more food stamp recipients and other individuals dependent on taxpayer largesse be placed on the voter rolls.

The plaintiffs are represented by several attorneys, among them Sarah Brannon and Sabrina Khan of Project Vote, the affiliate of ACORN that President Obama worked for in 1992. Khan is Project Vote�s election counsel and Brannon is director of the group�s Public Agency Registration Project whose mission is to carry out the Cloward-Piven Strategy of swamping the voter rolls with welfare recipients. (ACORN improved on the strategy by also registering illegal aliens, dead people, and cartoon characters.)

ACORN leaders have also been lobbying the Obama administration and working with Eric Holder�s Justice Department to water down laws that protect the integrity of the electoral system. ACORN operatives and many on the Left believe voter fraud is a myth invented by supposedly racist conservatives to prevent minorities from voting.

Perhaps Project Vote�s director of advocacy, Estelle H. Rogers, discussed efforts to undermine electoral integrity with administration officials during her visit to the Obama White House. Official visitor logs showed Rogers was to meet with a senior aide to Obama adviser Valerie Jarrett and with Van Jones�s former chief of staff.

Although ACORN petitioned for bankruptcy in November 2010, it never actually went away.

Months before the bankruptcy filing 13-year ACORN veteran Nathan Henderson-James, then-director of ACORN�s online campaigns, explained the subterfuge ACORN was using to dupe Americans into believing the group was shutting down.

"It is definitely true that over the next week or so we should see a dozen or more organizations launched on the state level by staff who used to work for ACORN and leaders who developed their skills as ACORN members. These are not just simple name changes, but reimaginings of how best to organize low and moderate income constituencies without any of the legal problems and funding issues dogging ACORN, not to mention the brand damage," Henderson-James wrote in a leaked email.

It is a "tactically smart . . . reaction to the global situation that helps the work of building power for poor people to continue," he wrote.

ACORN�s ruse was designed to keep tax dollars and foundation grants coming in.

It�s working.


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Remember the study which said people who watch no TV at all were more informed than those who watch Fox? I wondered where Rachel was the other day and then read she and Laurence and Ed were at the White house for talking points on how to spread Obama's views on the fiscal cliff. Who would even think he'd invite Fox? First, they aren't even news, and they did nothing but spend the last four years trying to bring him down. MSNBC has Republican strategists on all the time. The network is definably left and I watch nothing else. If the Fox anchors and commentators had half the brain of Rachel and Laurence maybe they'd put together a network that wasn't laughable. My bumper sticker reads.."Turn of Fox...It's not news, and it's bad for America". I think that's why some rednecks in a pickup truck and gun rack were screaming obscenities as they drove by us. Our radio was too loud but I heard Obama's name said. Sucks to be losers.


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Ooooh, I get it now. ACORN is the latest conspiracy theory--like water it seeps in everywhere in society and will soon drown America!

How come Democrats never know about these Democratic groups conspiring to defraud Republicans by sneaky mafia-like methods that only right-wing Republicans can recognize?

Love how that article keeps referring to ACORN is doing this and that--as though it still exists. As the article itself notes, the organizations referred to post-ACORN "are not just simple name changes, but reimaginings of how best to organize low and moderate income constituencies without any of the legal problems and funding issues dogging ACORN." However, the article, being anti-ACORN, assumes that "organizing low and moderate income voters" is a bad thing--probably fraudulent and criminal. So even though none of the groups talked about actually is ACORN, the article continually refers to them as ACORN (in disguise). After all, any organizing group that addresses lower class voters must be up to no good, huh? After all, we all know that voting should be left to upper-middle class and higher class voters only. Lower class citizens not only don't matter--they probably are up to no good and probably intend to undermine higher class voters's privileges. And everyone knows our government was set up to promote privileges for the rich. All that for the people, by the people, etc. was just a front--not what America is really about.

I say, disenfranchise the poor and moderate citizens. In fact, take away their citizenship. They are all members of the political mafia called ACORN and therefore should be thrown in jail--so that Republicans can prevail as God and the American Constitution intended!

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"After all, we all know that voting should be left to upper-middle class and higher class voters only.

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I say, disenfranchise the poor..."

Hmmm....

I've never felt comfortable with ANY government having so much control over my life. I can't say that I feel more comfortable with a mob of mostly dumb hungry people having so much control over my life.

I don't know that there is a better alternative to democracy, but I sure do think it has some very serious flaws. I can't help but get the image of mobs when I think of these things.

Hay


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Paranoia is alive and well amongst "the losers", otherwise known as the GOP.

And they can't seem to figure out the truth, why the actually lost the election, so they come up with the absurd, paranoid claims.

Just to hard to deal with the truth, I guess, the truth being that the GOP didn't represent the people in this country and the people voted for the opposition.

Want to win an election? have to offer the people something they believe in, can support and feel that the person/persons represent the beliefs of the people, all the people, not just a few, a minority of the voting electorate.

Until the GOP comes to terms with and faces reality, well all they can and will do is come up with the above stated paranoid absurdities and continue to lose election after election.


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I say, disenfranchise the poor..."
Hmmm....
I can't say that I feel more comfortable with a mob of mostly dumb hungry people having so much control over my life.

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You should have no fear. There are enough mostly dumb that are not hungry to cancel out the hungry mob you fear.

Rep. Todd Akin, Missouri's Republican
"If it's a legitimate rape, the female body has ways to try to shut that whole thing down," Akin said, according to The Washington Post."


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Good point, marquest. Heh, heh!

As far as ominous images of mob control go, Hay, you don't really have much to fear if you study how our government is organized--all sorts of checks and balances of power--the right hand limiting what the left hand can do and vice versa. There is no way--short of a T-Party Bloody Revolution (as they have threatened at times)--for the raw power of the democratic masses to take over the system and bend it all to their (undisciplined? I guess that is your point) will. For one thing, as much as we all hate the electoral college vote, controlling the mass popular vote was one reason why the founding fathers set up the electoral college. And of course, we all know how Congress stymies the White House and how the White House stymies Congress--and then the Supreme Court comes swooping in and puts them all this their places!

Just a few examples why it is highly unlikely that you will ever be engulfed and overwhelmed by the mass hordes out there--unless, like I said, the T-Partiers follow through on their threats to shed some blood if necessary for getting their will to prevail.

But I think that might be called treason.

Kate


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I thought the so-called liberal media delivered the election to President Obama. Evidently it's not so powerful as to refuse help from a defunct and bankrupt (literally) organization.


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I don't know which is sillier--Mitch filibustering his own proposal or believing that a nonexistent organization stole the election for Obama.

Are they ever the least bit embarrassed at their own silliness?

Kate


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"Are they ever the least bit embarrassed at their own silliness?"

If they were, they'd stop!


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Gift of them there MAGI!


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Hay says, and I quote,

"Hmmm....

I've never felt comfortable with ANY government having so much control over my life. I can't say that I feel more comfortable with a mob of mostly dumb hungry people having so much control over my life."

Then Marquest "quotes" Hay and I quote,

"Hmmm....

I can't say that I feel more comfortable with a mob of mostly dumb hungry people having so much control over my life. "

before she launches into some comments about a woman's body....

Hmmmmm...What's missing here?

Moving right along....

Kate:

"As far as ominous images of mob control go, Hay, you don't really have much to fear if you study how our government is organized--all sorts of checks and balances of power--the right hand limiting what the left hand can do and vice versa. There is no way--short of a T-Party Bloody Revolution (as they have threatened at times)--for the raw power of the democratic masses to take over the system and bend it all to their (undisciplined? I guess that is your point) will."

The fear I have is that the masses, as we are always seeing, will vote themselves into slavery. Bringing me along with them.

It's called Socialism, "progressive", communism, whatever, but it always starts with the masses and their demands and inevitably ends up badly. Dumb, hungry people can't see it until it's a nightmare.

It's subtle, but it happens. Checks and balances? Baloney.

Hay


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That is just 9/10s over-active imagination, Hay.

Unless you know something about the T-partiers plans that the rest of us don't?

Kate


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