So, he went ahead and ordered this hoya as a surprise..from Logees..

Although I stopped ordering from Logees some time in the beginning of 2000, I have to admit, the H. lauterbachii is very very nice..Even though it's in a 2 1/4 or 2 1/2" growing pot, when straigthened out, it stands a little over 27".
It's velvety leaves are cuddly soft..
I want to thank the person who started the Lauterbachii thread..lolol..

Now questions.
Perhaps I should have started a new thread because this involves all hoyas.

1. What is the best type of trellis to use for hoyas?
2. I bought a bottle of Eleanor's a few wks back, but haven't yet used it. Since my hoyas were fertilzed, (with other fertilizer, not Eleasnors) would spraying Eleanor's cause leaf/root burn? Would this be considered, fertilizer OD?
3. Pot size: I understand hoyas need to be potbound to flower, but when a new hoya is brought in, should it be repotted in a larger pot so roots and leaves have room to grow? Obviously, in most cases anyway, a young hoya isn't going to produce flowers the next day..so should hoyas have room to grow before worrying whether or not the roots are tight-fitting?
In other words, if a hoya arrives in a 2 or 3" pot, should it be repotting into a 4-6" for growth purposes? Thanks so much. Toni

I've been using bamboo trellis because I can only get the bammboo & it was cheap.
Elenor's doesn't seem to burn my plants, I do fertilize regularly.
I would re pot the lauterbachii after getting over the shock of shipping if it was mine.
Congrats!!

No, VF-11 will not burn your plant. It's not a traditional fertilizer but more of a mineral boost. Use it as a foliar spray for best results, though I do water it in also.

You may have read in other posts that I'm not of that mindset that a Hoya needs to be potbound to flower. I give mine lots of root room and they bloom regularly. As soon as a Hoya is drying out faster than normal, I move it up a couple pot sizes. It seems like it only takes a bit of time for them to get situated in their new pot and they're growing by leaps and bounds, and often blooming too. I have an obscura that was in a 4.5" hanging pot that got terribly rootbound and was needing to be watered often. The only hanging pot I had on hand was one of those big, 12" pots you get at Walmart that has a swivel at the top. I went ahead and slapped it in that big ol' pot and it went nutso. It's growing, looking amazing, filling the pot and blooming it's head off... And it still manages to dry out faster than I think it should! What a guzzler! So I would put it in at least a 5" pot ('cuz it looks like a big one!) and maybe even a 6" pot, especially if you find it has a nice, healthy root system.

I don't use trellises on most of my Hoyas. I prefer the hanging look, but some do need support. I don't grow lauterbachii (yet), but it looks like a heavy one, so some support might be wise.

Denise in Omaha

Tish

Dee

Here's one I found on ebay last year...they were pretty reasonable.

Pug, gorgeous coloring on your var. macrophylla!!

Gabi

Mike

Jan, yeah, dh is a keeper..After 'x' years, can't give 'im up..lol..Besides, he likes plants..how many dh's will tolerate a plant obsessed wife and even keep plants at their offices? When one of his plants start to kick the bucket, he brings them home for me to 'cure.' lol..

Some of my hoyas will hang, (bought small hanging pots from A-Agape) and others on a trellis..Don't know if this is fact or fiction, but I've heard plants that grow on a trellis have larger leaves. It seems true with Pothos, but the reason might be is when a plant grows upright, it 'might' get more light? Just my opinion..

Denise, I didn't know your view on hoyas and pot sizes. Wow, 12" container and you're in z5 to boot!! Foliage and blooms.
I'm unfamilar with obscuras, but will Google a picture.
My hoyas grow so darn slow. Wonder if it's pot size and little fertizer...Starting next spring, fertiling will change.

Tish, I don't recall anyone saying their Lauterbachii blooming..I could be wrong..Wonder what its flowers look like and if they're fragrant.

Patrick..thanks..actually, I stopped ordering from Logees because of the size of their plants, and believe me, I LOVED Logees. All those beautiful greens impossible finding in IL..I won't go into detail, but yes, I was shocked when this tall plant arrived. Okay, it was a gift, and I peeked at the price..lol. Curiosity got the better of me, besides, if Logees is truly selling larger plants, they might again get my business.
Thanks for explaining the difference between hoya and terrestial, though someone used another name...can't find it on the thread..Starts with E...lol..
Actually, before coming to the Hoya forum, I never heard of Lauterbachii...but yes, would love to see it's big flowers one day..Patrick, for the time, I'm enjoying its velvety leaves..so nice..Oh, btw, what soil or soil-less mix is similar to humus?

Dee, that's the word! Eriostemma..lol..thanks..Sun and humidity..In winter, I have 3 artificial lights on at night, a humidifer, 2 indoor fountains, daily misting, (unless in flower) and wkly showering. That's the best I can do..oh, depending on the room, my hoyas been living in south and west windows..

Pug, your hoya is beautiful..I love it! The trellis is cute, too. We haven't any Lowe's around, but there are Meynards and HDs. Both stores mostly sell plastic and bamboo upright poles. I'll ck Ebay and Amazon..I should start going to yard and garage sales. It's been years since we stopped at one..I really don't buy decorative, cermaic pots, but the few times we stopped at one, they had cute ceramic containers from .10-1.00..I also bought my Epi/Night Blooming Orchid cactus at a garage sale. The woman had 4..she said she's give me all 4 @ 10.00..because of their sizes, (big) I couldn't, only bought one..I can kick myself. Each were about 2' tall with a 16" spread.

Gabi, like I stated above, the leaves of Lauterbachii are very nice, velvety..but who wouldn't want it to bloom?? Those large flowers! I can dream? Hope? Pray? lol. Getting it to the 8' mark will be a chore, after that, flowers. Since most plants go outdoors in summer, there's always hope it would bloom then? I can't think of the botanical name, but are you familiar with the Bat Plant? If so, would you say Lauter needs as much humidity?

Mike I'm surprised dh ordered a plant but not for the reason you might be thinking. You see, I have a good number of plants--different varieties, trops and sux..he said he'd never get me a plant because I might have it..lol..

Okay, stakes and trellis' it is. Elearnors' too.

One more question..Before bringing plants indoors, (Sept-Oct) each get foliar sprayed with my home-made insecticide. One ingredient is Fish Emulsion.
How long does Eleanor's last? This is one reason I asked about using different ferilizers.
The FE is important, in fact, mandatory to my mix.

Mike

Mike(Ont) you are such an enabler,lol...We are never going to get help with our addiction when you keep posting links like that(ha,ha)...You are so bad!

Something else to drool over **sigh**

Soon, I have to make a decision where plants will be wintered when hauled indoors..I prefer keeping plant families together..
There's going to be some competition which plants are placed on a large shelf..Last winter it was dedicated to succulents...hoyas on one side, sux on the others, sux were closer to the windows. South and West. Or I can place in the same room on a glass table facing west and little north. On the other hand, Hoyas can all go upstairs in my bedroom...south windows..problem with that is, there's no artificial lighs..Darn! And even though dh accepts plants, adding another light will be costly..what to do??? The upstairs is warmer than the front plant room, but not as humid... oh brother.

Mike,, thanks for the pics..they are soooo gorgeous.

Welcome to the Hoya Forum. I too am new to this forum, but everyone has been kind and very informative. The only problem is, instead of wanting a few hoyas, I now hope to someday have a few dozen types..lol

Yep, I doubt any nursery owner will admit a plant would be difficult to grow or flower. lol. Can you imagine if people were honest? Then again, some people like a challenge, myself included. Though at the time, I never thought to ask here if Lauterbacvhii would flower freely. It was only after my dh surprised me, and I posted this thread, did I find out the truth.
You should have asked if they ever got one to bloom, since they're up east..cold and dry in winter, like us northerners. Wonder if the person would have been truthful.
Of course, a warm, humid green house doesn't hurt, which is where Logees plants are grown year round.

How do you air-layer a hoya? Did you cut the stems, stick a toothpick between, wrap with moss then cover with plastic? Or did you have another method? Very good.

My Lauterbahii has one stem, so if something goes wrong, (like the one stem you lost) I'm outta luck..lol..hope this doesn't happen. I can't imagine what the vines will look like since the one stem grows thick and fairly upright. It needs a stake, but doesn't grow truly viney..maybe vines will grow in eventually.

Blooming food's middle number is highest..like 5-10-5, etc. Usually the fertilizer package says, 'for flowering plants.' My older hoyas get alternate fertilizers..All purpose, then flowering, but I'm not a hoya expert, so maybe I'm doing it wrong..Taking them outdoors this summer helped a LOT. This is the first summer they've ever gone outdoors; they've put on more growth in 3 months than in two years..Sun, humidity and fresh air..can't be beat.

Seems you've accomplished a lot with your Lautherbachii, hope I can say the same in two years. According to what all here stated, Lauter's need to be 6-8' before flowering...Keep us posted..who knows, maybe yours will bloom before expected. Good luck, Toni

Jan, if you can't get your Lauterbachi to bloom in zone 10 and as big as that hoya is right now...there might be a problem for the rest? Not to say that they won't be able to get it to bloom...might just take a little longer than expected, but I have a feeling by next year yours will be blooming. It just has to,lol!!

Jan, is the thick piece of wood part of the hoya or a stake? I still can't get over its size. Yet, no flowers..and here you're in Fl..it doesn't matter if you're in a cooler part, lol..the point is, I'd think, 'winter' your winters are short, right? A month? When I say winter I mean(anything under 40F) Winter in the midwest can last 7 months..this year was the worse..So, if your hoya hasn't bloomed, I wonder if ours ever will..sigh..boo hoo. The flowers from Lauters are amazing..

Andrew, like you, I stopped ordering from Logees, 2001/2. When a friend first told me about Logees, gave me a catalog, I was so exited. This was 1994/5. All their plants were in 4" pots and even though a little pricier than gh's here, they sold tropcials I couldn't find. BTW, I found Logees pre-internet days, so all I had to go on were nurseries here in IL. In the 90's, Logees plants were much larger than they were when I last ordered..shipping was a bit higher, 7.99 for 1-7 plants, etc. But back then, their plants were larger, pest-free, and rare.
Around 2000, I noticed a change, a huge change. One plant I ordered was citrus..It was a 3" cutting, wilted, non-grafted, and died within a couple days. I can't recall other plants that came with the citrus order, but I was not happy. Then, I believe in 2002/3, I placed another order..An Acalypha, either Copperleaf or Chenile..It was tiny..I left neg feedback. I have to admit Customer Service Rep called, and was helpful..she asked a few questions, then sent a replacement..What a difference! Why couldn't they have sent that beauty in the first place instead of something I couldn't even ID?
Did you say you ordered citrus from them? You probably had the same experience I did..the same LOOK on your face. Don't get me wrong, I KNEW it wouldn't look like the pic in their catalog, but I wasn't expecting a 3" green that could have been a weed for all I knew. lol. That was it..the last order..it's funny because to this day they send catalogs. All these years. Plants in their catalog are beautiful,lol.
I have a few plants ordered from Logees in the 90's..One is a Begonia, still going strong.
Andrew, what type of fruit trees do you have? If you dont mind me asking? I grow citrus, an olive tree, and a few other edibles. Soon they will be hauled indoors.
Do you ever go to GW's Citrus forum? It's been months since I've been there, but used to be a regular..I should stop by..My citrus trees are from Fl, one from TX, one from IL, but since Fl's ban there isn't any nursery that compares to the two in Fl my trees were purchased. I refuse to shop at 4Winds.
Well, I hope your Lauter blooms..if so, post a pic. Like Jan said, you need to first regester with either Photo Bucket or Flickr. I use Flickr. DL'ing from Flickr to GW is simple. In fact, someone on the Citrus forum jotted down instructions, now it's a breeze..Toni
PS..I can't believe how simple it was when you rooted your Lauter..lol

I have the Variegated Macrophylla...I bought it from Gardino's. The trellis was from Ebay. I saw that "Pot of Gold" Mac from Asiatica...looks beautiful but $60 plus $25-$30 shipping is way out of my price range for me. Maybe one day it will be a little more common and see it on Ebay?
I'm addicted but not that addicted,lol...

Jan

Thanks!

Tish

"Puglvr1,
I would like to know what eriostemma that it that you had in the pic."

I posted a picture of Variegated Macrophylla above...but as far as I know that's a hoya not a Eriostemma? I'm not a hoya expert so I'm not positive? HTH

She is not downsizing though. I believe she's revamping her site and she will be back in action. Not the same as before, but she will still be up and running.

I recently ordered that huge H. odorata that she has on her "large plants and specimens" page. Can't wait to get it! I will definitely post a picture.

Hoping to see pics of your plants that you get from her, Andrew. You will be thrilled.

Jan, WOW...how large your lauterbachii has grown!! That's amazing - great growing!!

Gabi

Who is Carol? Is she in HI?

Andrew, I know it's difficult, but try being optimistic. You never know what a plant will do. Truly. I've been growing plants many many years, (not gonna convey numbers) lol, over those times, my plants bloomed, grew larger, or survived despite what people and plant books said possible.
The thing to do is, read everything you can on Lauterbahii. Then, try duplicating..it's not that difficult, really. First, invest in a humidifer, indoor fountain, and lighting. Gro lights are fine, but I also use two bulbs..one white cool, one white warm.
Setting a plant on pebbles, misting and taking to the sink to shower/hose once a wk works wonders.
I don't mist fuzzy plants, (African Violets,) so I need to seek info on misting Lauterbachii, find out if will caused leaf mars.
If anyone here knows, l'd appreciate an answer.

I too am going to Google, Bing, and Yahoo information on Lauter's habitat. It'd be a miracle if, one day, those huge flowers were to grow on my Lauterbachii..I swear, if buds formed, I wouldn't touch it. No rotating like other plants..lol.

So, can someone tell me about Carol? Is she going out of business or closing for winter? Thanks, Toni

So nobody that wants to buy from her "needs" to do it now. No need to think that if you don't buy from her now, there will be no other chance.

She specifically told me in an email a few days ago that she still has a number of hoyas and will be re-doing her website fairly soon.

Toni, Carol is the seller in HI. And no, she is not going out of business. If anyone here wants to find out for themselves, just email her and she'll tell you :)

Gabi

Gabi

Gabi

Funny, I checked alohatropicals.com, but didn't see anything that drew me to them..know what I mean? And prices were way too high..30.00 for a basic house plant..

My dh keeps asking when the Lauterbachii is going to bloom..lolol..he has a weird sense of humor..

You can do a google search under the first word "Aloha" and second word "Hoya". The top one is her website.

Warning though: if you don't want to buy plants, don't go to her website!! Very tempting to say the least!

Ha - I don't anymore plants either! I don't think any of us do...but that's hoya addiction for ya!!

Good luck on your ebay bid :)

Gabi

There are 3 pages, on the bottom of her page, of hoyas..Are these the hoyas everyone is talking about?

Here are the hoyas I'm looking for..lol
Caudata
parasiticas, 3 different colors
macrophylla, variegated/white edge
imbricata, if I can find at a reasonable cost..a baby will do..actually, a baby will do for all..lol..by baby I mean, 7-10" with a few stems..Am I asking for miaracles?

I'm watching some hoyas on Ebay..Anyone have info or comments?

Carnosa, Strawberry and Cream
Lacunosa 'snow cap'
CV Rubra and variegated Carnosa combo
Callistophylla
Retusa
Lanceolata 'Luis Bois'
Carnosa Rubra Variegata

That's it for now..lol..But those named on top are the Hoyas I'm drooling over..
If anyone shops at Asiatica, they have H. parasiticas and macrophyllas in different colors..
Same with Aleya Gardens..they have beautiful colors..

Toni I would go for the more unusual and difficult to find plants not the common ones. You can get Hoya carnosa varieties easily in most local greenhouses or home improvement stores and trading is always possible because of how common this Hoya is. Hoya carnosa is a great plant but be careful what you buy because you could very well end up with duplicates that are misnamed. I think a standard Hoya carnosa plus one of the variegated varieties like Hoya carnosa 'Krimson Princess' pretty much covers the bases when it comes to Hoya carnosa.

Mike

That can't be right on the shipping cost...her email addy is on her site, so you can email her and ask her. Also, she only sells wire hoops and bamboo hoops - no plastic hoops. She has green wire hoops that are great...I bought a 20 pack from her a while back - it's a great size for medium and small plants.

Yes, she does have 3 pages in her catalog currently. And yes, she doesn't have many hoyas - but as I said above she will be adding as soon as she uploads her photos. Did you look at her large plants page? WOW!!! I just bought that H. odorata - I had to have it!!

Gabi

Actually, unless we drive 20+ miles to two nurseries, both opposite directions, it's hard finding Hoyas, even Carnosas. Every so often HD may have one, but rare. We're nowhere near Lowes. It's really difficult finding anything rare here anymore..Many 'family-owned' nurseires are going or gone. It's terrible. Even Frank's which was a chain store known for their plants..indoor and out. But I see your point about Carnosas..Is it like, 'if you've seen one....?' lol

Gabi, the numbers were computed when I clicked on Buy. After typing in shipping info, that's what popped up. thought the wire hoops had green plastic on the outside?? No? What material covers the wire?

H odorata...I'll have to find it..but it sounds like it's very fragrant..scent up the house..ummm. Good luck..I went hoya crazy tonight..Best hide my cc statement..lol..I really must stay away from Ebay, nurseries, anywhere that sells plants..lol..
Well, it's 1am..best get to bed..take care and thanks for all the help..Toni

I'm sure it was automatically computed, but it just doesn't make sense. Maybe something is messed up on the site? If you really want them, then I'd just email her and ask how much shipping is. She's so sweet and will get back to you right away.

As for the hoops, I must've misunderstood what you said. I thought you said they were plastic hoops, and the only ones I know of that she sells are metal and bamboo. But yes, I would assume the wire is covered by some sort of plastic coating. They are still wire hoops though! :)

You nailed it on the head with H. odorata!! It's called that because it is so fragrant. I tried a cutting of it once from David Liddle, but it never rooted. It's one of those thin-leafed ones that are difficult to root after traveling so long (at least for me!).

So what do you mean by "hoya crazy". What did you get?? You can't tease us like that :) Any pics?

Gabi

Jan

I did take some cuttings from the verigated leaves and I will try to keep all of the solid green ones cut off so it will stay verigated (I was told to do that to keep it verigated).

I got a H. rubra cutting from Denise, so when I saw the tag on this one that said H. rubra I was confused. They don't even look like the same plant. But Denise cleared it up for me, the one I got from her is the true H. rubra. I like it A LOT more!.

JMO,
Maid

Gabi and Andrew..$17 & 19.00 were the amounts that popped up after clicking on 'compute shipping cost'..more often than not, these numbers are incorrect, so I'm sure you're both right the price is lower. Every so often, when I place an order, pay, I end up getting refunded..The overpayment isn't a number I added..amounts are computed on the site. The refund is then submitted to Paypal. As a matter of fact, I got two refunds from orders placed last week.

Gabi, I thought the wire was covered with green plastic. Simiar to electric wire, know what I mean? Pics look like pliastc..Is it possible they're painted green? lol
What do I mean by Hoya Crazy? In the last month or so I've literally doubled and a half my hoya collection..A few more are on the way..This has to stop..my dh finally said no more plants..lol..he's right..financially and space-wise..I'll take pics later today..
I ended up ordering two more Hoyas from Accents, they arrived yesterday..Won a 'snowcap' on Ebay..expecting 3 more from Thailand, and hoping to win one more auction on Ebay.

Andrew, you got a great deal. Some Ebay sellers charge 9 and change 'shipping' for a 5.00 plant..
These charges are really handling fees..When I get a package I ck shipping cost..Some aren't close to what I paid.
Andrew you said you pay for what you get..I agree with you to a degree. Some of my plants were 1.00, sitting in what I call, the 'dead cart,' at local stores..Some of these plants are now trees..
A few times I ordered from well-known nurseries where costs are on the high side..price of plants and shipping..some plants were in terrible condition..brown spots, torn foliage..so, it depends..

Hi Maid..oh now I'm really confused..lol..I thought plants reverted to green only when they don't get enough sun/light?
Ever notice how leaf colors dull during winter months? Variegated plants sometimes turn green or lose their variegation..
Maybe you mean something else regarding H. rubra..???
Ever notice how different two of the same plants look depending on the site? lol..Think they tamper with colors or lighting. It's especially noticeable with variegated plants, or those that have white..I got suckered buying plants because of 'one' white leaf..they focus the camera on the white leaf..lol..what you end up with with is a green plant with one white leaf..lol.

Maid, would you happen to have pics of both Rubras you can post? Thanks, Toni

I'm not kiddin tho, this plant has more leaf variation than any plant I have ever seen. Like I said it's not my *Fav*.

Heres the whole plant notice the solid green and veregated leaves.. . .

And heres a close up of one of the stems, you can see more going on in the background of this one.

This isn't a very old (to me) plant. It was like this when I bought it.

Maid

Hope your husband is ok - sorry to hear that.

As for everything in your post about the wire hoops and shipping - look at my most recent post above your's. I covered all that but you must've missed it with what's going on with your husband. But basically, no they are not painted green. They are covered with a plastic coating, but they are still made of wire, and therefore are bendable (unlike plastic trellises).

I hope your DH gets better fast,
Gabi

Gabi, thanks. Dh is getting better..He broke his collar bone and 3 or 4 ribs..possible crack of his rotator cuff, too. Tried getting info from the hospital..What a farce!

Oh Gabi, I believe you..lol...I just meant the green looked like plastic..if material is what you're referring to. Is it? Oh, I was kidding about being painted green..ROFL..Notice the 'LOL' after I made that comment.
As soon as my cc drops some, I'll contact Carol..by that time she'll probably have all her new hoyas updated, too..oh boy, here we go..just what I need.
Her hoops are well-priced..throw in a couple plants, and got myself plants from HI, too..lol..Toni

Hun, I'm not the one to ask ?'s about hoyas (I'm too new) I was told by some experts here, this problem occurs quite often in this type of hoya.

I know it's hard to put the brakes on when it comes to buying hoyas. I have a wish list like you can't believe. I am getting one from CN here soon, hubby is getting it for me for an anniversary gift. I get to choose. That's a good thing, but then again not so good. . . it's so hard to choose. I asked him if HE wanted a hoya for his anni gift, I can't believe he said NO!. LOL. But I think I am going to get two. She made me a killer deal, and she is holding on to my H. montana so the shipping may not be as high. I think she may be busy with the death of David Liddle, she hasn't answered any e-mails for a few days. It's probably really hard on her, I think they were pretty close due to their connection w/ hoyas. But the way I look at it, the longer they are in her care the better their chances of surviving. . . longer lol.

Nice to see ya back, bet your plants missed you too :)

Maid

Nevermind about the trellises! It's such a small thing to have such a long discussion about :)
Was just trying to say that they are wire trellises - I was only trying to help you so that you didn't get a trellis that you thought was made of plastic. I get what you're saying about the plastic coating...my point was to let you know they are wire. I didn't think it would be an ongoing thing :)
So let's just drop it, because there are more important things to think about (like your hubby and plants!!).

Take care and I hope for a fast recovery for your hubby,
Gabi

Gabi

Gabi, I know its not the same...since I live in Fl, but I have a Mango tree in a pot also. I posted a pic below. I don't think Toni minds its a little off topic.

I got about 12-14 fruits for the first time this year.

Wow! That is so cool. I love mangos...I hope you enjoy them! Congrats, and thanks for sharing that picture.

Gabi

Thanks Gabi, I love mangoes too...they were really delicious! That picture was taken around mid July.

My God, has it been 2-years since I started this thread? The thread I forgot existed. :)

This morning, while checking mail, there stood a solo email with the heading, 'Lauterbachii & questions.'
Guess I checked the notiification box, but cannot recall receiving other notifications to this thread before today..Strange.

I hope all here are well. Preparing for summer.
Soon, 'I pray' those of us who live in cold climates will once again set Hoyas outside for summer vacation.

Although my Lauterbachii is still alive, it looks NOTHING like it did Aug 26. 2009. One problem is lack of sun.

If I could root Hoyas, I'd cut its trunk in sections, then root each to start over. But, I've never had luck rooting Hoya cuttings.

Cablock, Wonder what was going through your husbands mind after 'toasting' your Hoya. lol.

Actually, my Hoyas are nowhere near the toaster, or even in the kitchen. The counter was the best location to snap a photo.

One problem is kitchen has two windows, both north-facing. Plants before either window are low-light types. Ferns, etc.
Actually my Hoyas are kept in the upstairs bedroom and bathroom..bedroom windows face south, bathroom, west.

Second problem---Bird cages are less than 10' away from the counter w/toaster. If a plant was left unattended, each and every leaf would end up chewed to pieces. LOL.

Wish I could hang Hoyas in our kitchen window like you, only 'far away from the toaster, lol.'

Does your lauterbachii stand erect in its hanging basket?

Hot or cold air hitting a plant will destroy leaves. A similar thing happened with Chlorophytum 'Fire-Flash.'
I placed the Chlorophytum on a plastic container near the water heater vent..Outside. Guess someone was showering. Minutes later, leaves wilted. Before I had a chance to relocate, I noticed foliage was also marred. They looked frost-bitten. Never again. Learned a lesson the hard way.

Is your Hoya okay now?

Andrew, don't know if you're still around, but it's funny finding you here, too. lol. Toni