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fulvic acids humic acids

Posted by emmaF (My Page) on
Mon, Aug 9, 04 at 2:47

Hello again,

I was wondering what is the other ingredients companies usually put into liquid fulvic acid. Usually the humic acid is 0.001% or so but what is in the rest of the bottle? Say in the general nectar product for instance...
What/Where are the humic acids from? And why do the labels say NOT A PLANT FOOD INGREDIENT? Any help on this is appreciated.
Anyone know how to go about making a product like this? Is it any better than compost tea? Thanks for any help--ema


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RE: fulvic acids humic acids

I can't comment on the extra ingredients. I suspect the "not a plant food ingredient" might be to get around regulatory issues related to fertilizers.

I know that well made composts and biodigested products have a lot of humic acid. The benefit of buying a "corporate" product is consistency. They probably have standard input materials therefore the output will be the same batch after batch. This is unlikely to be the case with home-made products unless you have access to a dairy barn, chicken house, etc....


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RE: fulvic acids humic acids

First off thank you AdrianaG and others who emailed me.

Now. I have learned the sources of humic acids. I would like to know how it is commercialy blended. What is the process? What are the chemicals used in a (typical high end commercial product?), what strength, how mixed, etc.
Anyone who can help in anyway-thank you.
Ema


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RE: fulvic acids humic acids

I have been using fulvic acid for 6 weeks now at 125ppm
every 2 weeks and am starting to see a noticable strength to
my houseplants


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Fulvic and Humic acids from what I've read is a natural chelate as opposed to synthetic chelates like EDTA. Unlike EDTA they are absorbed by the plant. Also Humic acids promote microbacterial growth. I guess my question is are Fulvic and Humic acids recommended only for "organic" hydroponic solutions or are there practical observed benefits for using it in a pure chemical solution?


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  • Posted by NLG1 7b-8a (My Page) on
    Wed, Apr 27, 05 at 18:35

No, they are not just for organic gardening. Back to your first question. To get fulvic acid you have to do an acid extraction of humic acid. Fulvic is placed at the very end of humics molecular molecule. GH adds potasium hydroxide to there solution to bring the pH back up. So the diamond nector is not a pure fulvic. A pure fulvic should not even read on a ppm meter. That is when you know who have a great product in your hand. Call a store in Portland, Or and ask for the Fulvic Force. It comes in a supper concentrate so shipping is very minimal. It is the purest thing I have ever seen. Results are incredible. If growing hydroponically, fulvic is the one you want. It reacts much faster than humic and is less pH sensitive. Using it with chemicals will only speed up the process of nutrient assimulation to your plant. And ofcourse, once it is on the plant it boost metabolism from within.

p.s. fulvic force is 10x stronger than diamond nector after dilution


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don't worm castings contain humic and fulvic acid's?


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I do believe you're correct.

http://www.revitalfertilisers.co.nz/index.asp?PageID=2145820807


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Humic and fulvic acids can be extracted from plants and the earth. Bentonite, Leonardite, Shale, Clay, Lignite... handfull in a quart jar...fill with ro water...strain the water when u want nice drench ;)


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RE: fulvic acids humic acids

One thing you all need to learn is that humic substances have the most amount of misinformation spread about them in the agricultural industry and even more in the hydroponic industry. To answer a couple of questions.

95% of fulvic products, usually potassium fulvate are not what you think they are. Anyone who talks about a super concentrate is a salesman. Pure fulvic will read ppm the only thing that won't is pure water. Humic acid and fulvic acid are the two main organic acids extracted from humic substances. Humin is another but is of no use in hydroponics as it is completely insoluble. When people talk about solubility of humic and fulvic this is not actually correct. they form what are called colloidal suspensions. Commercially they are extracted from brown coal also called low grade coal or lignite, preferably from a brown coal called leonardite which is more soluble because it is more oxidised and the average oxygen and functional group content is higher. They are also extracted from peat, leonardite is high in humic and low in fulvic generally and peat in comparison has a higher fulvic content and lower humic content. I won't go into the details of extraction and isolation but basically potassium hydroxide is used to get the soluble humic substances into solution and then the humic acid is precipitated to separate it from the soluble fulvic. An array of different additives are used to increase the effiancy of extraction and are usually dependant on the source material of the humic matter.

I have worked on humic substances for 15 years consulting all over the world inc. Europe, Russia and China. If you want to make your own home made fulvic the easiest way is to buy some peat, and add about 1.5 litres of vinegar to 500g of peat. Mix well and leave for a couple of days or more. Strain out the peat and your done. If you have a highly decomposed compost this will work as well especially if you have added microbes to your compost.


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