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lettuce nutrient concentration Question

Posted by james83 CT (My Page) on
Wed, Nov 18, 09 at 17:58

I am a beginner in hydroponics and have made a 5 gallon deep water culture system, I am going to try lettuce first. I have nice looking seedlings going with just water in the system and I am trying to find out how much plant food to put in the system. I know I should have an EC meter but I don't have one yet, so I am trying to ballpark concentrations. After doing some research I found some similar "recipes" for lettuce nutrient mixes. for 5 gallon mixes most of them say

2 tsp. hydroponic fertilizer (8-15-36)
2 tsp. calcium nitrate
1 tsp. magnesium sulfate

My problem is that the plant food i am using is Botanicare Pure blend pro grow (3-2-4), its directions say to add much much more than that (1 .5 tsp/gal for seedlings 1 tbs/gal for vegetative). I know that this amount is probably aimed at growing tomatoes/peppers/etc that need more food but it still seems way off. This product also contains calcium (1.0 %) and magnesium (.5%). I am assuming that I dont have to add Ca and Mg then???? maybe this food is all i need.

My main questions are

A. do i need to add Ca and Mg to this food?
B. Is the tsp/5 gallon ratio still appropriate for this food or do I need to add more (is this weaker than the 8-15-36)fertilizer?

thank you for any replies.


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RE: lettuce nutrient concentration Question

the 8-15-36 is considerably stronger. remember they represent percentages of each compound per weight or volume (dry or wet)so 8% nitrogen to 2% nitrogen, similar for the others. so yeah, you'll use a lot more of the botanicare.
without performing some calculations to figure the actual concentrations, I would either:
a. mix to 3/4 of their recommended 'vegartive growth' blend or,
b. mix to full veggie blend, then watch the plants. if you start to see tip burn, add water, cut off the burn and watch some more until you don't get any more.

what is the magmesium content of the botanicare? Calcium is not extensively consumed by leafy veggies, but you do need the magnesium.


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RE: lettuce nutrient concentration Question

Hi James,

Don't get me wrong here, but do yourself a favor and don't go down the road of comparing different manufacturers recommendations, recipes an different formulas, mixes of different products with additives etc. Without "local knowledge", you'll just get lost in comparison of apples with oranges.

As for comparing both products, simply take the 8% nitrogen (of 8-15-36) versus 3% nitrogen of your product. You simply need 2.666 times more of your product to get the same concentration in nitrogen as with 8-15-36. Plus one table spoon of calcium nitrate per gallon also provides some other 80-85 ppm of nitrogen (equals N=8). So, in this example, only considering nitrogen content - With YOUR product you need roughly 5 times more to get the same concentration (in N only).

I've looked up the site of Botanicare and found this product description:

"PURE BLEND ™ Pro is a hydro-organic vegetative and fruit and flower formula which is a specialty custom blend of natural and organic sources of essential major, secondary, and trace minerals in 100% soluble form from the land and sea. "

The actual problem with MOST so called "organic" products seems that they struggle a lot with the raw materials they are allowed to use, respectively with those who can be considered as "organic". Even if many of the ingredients used are mineral components and actually inorganic.

I have been interested in this topic (of organic nutrients) and doing some research over the time. But haven't found any product yet, that transparently delivers all nutrients that are required for a type of vegetables or another. And I haven't understood either why such products actually use unconventional formulas that rime with nothing I've learned about plant nutrition and real requirements. It really seems that their main concern is keeping their stuff clean and "organic", (which is understandable) but completely loose it over the actual nutrient content. Look, 1% of calcium and .5% magnesium is simply a JOKE! In regular hydroponic formulas, calcium is often nearly as high as nitrogen content (in some cases even higher). And magnesium (with actual 40-50 ppm) mostly equals the actual phosphorus content in most formulas. Same for sulfur, which can easily be needed in amounts as high as 5 to 9% - is often not even mentioned.

By the way, I don't exactly agree with what was said about calcium requirements for feafy vegetables or lettuce earlier. Most vegetative formulas have rather high calcium content, although this is due to the fact that calcium is then provided by calcium nitrate, which comes with a high calcium content vs. nitrogen. Hence, some of the calcium content, may in fact be related to this "side effect".

PS: I've even been emailing some manufacturers and challenging them with a few "annoying" questions about the composition of their really unconventional formulas. And if it wasn't strange enough what they sometimes brew, they can't even explain the "why and what for" of the composition. They simply tell by default that their product is the result of years of research and that it has been proven successful (even by a multitude of testers). You bet! They'll not say; sorry that is as close as we can get with hands and feet bind by product restrictions. We know that those limitations and restrictions are partially paradox and incomprehensible. We actually don't agree with most of it - but what the hell can we do!?

Anyway: especially for growing lettuce, I'd recommend a very different approach and product. I'd just using a professional (but conventional) product that uses a CLASSICAL lettuce formula. If you really want to go for "organic", - use it as it comes and as recommended. You wouldn't add anything "chemical" like magnesium sulphate or calcium nitrate, to totally spoil your pure organic product, would you?! Just kidding...

Hint: what ever product you use, always and strictly stick to the manufacturers recommendations- if it doesn't work out, you can and should call them or even blame them. If you are considering some "internet recipe", instead - it's your own fault and mistake if you screw it all up!


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Correction

Little correction here: I've in fact done some maths erroneously with 1 Tablespoon (actually using around 18 gr) instead of 2 tsp. Though, the around 5 (actually 5 point something) times higher concentration in N is still valid when comparing 1 tsp. of 8-15-36, PLUS 1 tsp. of calcium nitrate with just 1 tsp. 3-2-4 . If needed for any comparison, please adopt the maths accordingly. Thanks!


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RE: lettuce nutrient concentration Question

thank you so much for the replies, they were very helpful. I agree, the product I am using seems to be more concerned with being "organic" than being productive, it was pretty pricey too!! Oh well, you live and learn. I think I will experiment wit this formula, since I have it and just adjust the amounts (thank you so much for the calculations), to see what works. (maybe add a little more Mg and Ca. I would then like to try a regular strength (classic) hydroponic fertilizer and compare results. thanks again


 
 

 

 


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