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Posted by twin_two (My Page) on Fri, Jun 30, 06 at 23:33
Ü Hi Everyone, Somewhere on the internet I read a artical about someone who used a mixture of Murph'y oil soap and water, sprayed on irises to control or repell the iris borer. They talked about how the taste or smell or both seemed to control or repell the borers. I can not rememeber where I saw this. Is anyone familiar with this article or has anyone tried this method?
I need to know how much soap to how much water. I would like to try this for myself. Thanks for any help. Ü |
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RE: Question about using Murphy's Oil Soap for borers?
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| This is on the Schreiners site: Fortunately, we do not have Iris borers in the west. However, the Iris borer can pose a very difficult problem in the Midwest and along the east coast. They hatch in the spring and chew into the leaves, leaving chew marks on the margins of the leaves. They then bore down through the leaf, leaving long wet looking streaks on the leaves. Once they get into the rhizomes, they gorge themselves. What they don't eat then can rot. First, always maintain a clean garden. If you see the borers in the leaves, simply squash them. We recommend using the insecticide Cygon 2-E. Spray in two week intervals from about the time the tulips bloom through mid-summer. A 10% solution of Murphy's Oil Soap (one part soap for every nine parts water) can be used as an organic alternative to Cygon. Neil |
RE: Question about using Murphy's Oil Soap for borers?
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- Posted by laurief z3b northern MN (My Page) on
Sat, Jul 1, 06 at 10:26
| Although I've never tried it personally so can't comment from experience, I'm having a very difficult time believing that Murphy's would do much of anything to reduce borer populations or activity in an iris planting. It is my understanding that Cygon 2-E has been banned in the U.S. and will no longer be available once current stock is sold out. The best chemical option I know for borer control is imidacloprid (Merit) applied in very early spring before temps reach 70 degrees. It would have no effect on borers applied this late in the season, however. Laurie |
RE: Question about using Murphy's Oil Soap for borers?
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| Here's a different article I found. Have no idea if it works, but I can remember my grandmother always having a bottle of Murphy's around. Neil Murphy's Oil Soap and Iris Borers Taken from AIS Region 18 Bulletin -- Spring 2000 Michael Gullo West Walworth, New York (This article was recently on Iris-Talk and originally printed in the January 1998 AIS bulletin) I first heard about the Murphy's Oil Soap method of borer control in the January 1998 AIS Bulletin. The title of this article was "Sand and Soap" written by Marie Gebert. In the article she presented the following advice: "use a mixture of one half cup of Murphy's Oil Soap to one gallon of water. Spray on the iris leaves weekly (or after a rain) from early May to late July. This should be used after any other sprays." I use the soap that comes in the refill bottles not that which comes in the spray bottles which is already diluted. I feel that a thorough garden cleanup (very later fall or very early spring) is also very important to make borer control even more effective. I have been using this method of borer control for the past two seasons with great success. I only find a very small number of borers that manage to survive the spraying, which I promptly squish. One could probably combine the oil soap treatment and beneficial nematodes (alternate sprayings) and achieve even more complete protection. With just two sprayings last season I only found a dozen or so borers. Marie, in her article, mentions that she and others in her area (northeastern Connecticut) have been using it to great effort for five seasons (as of 1998). I don't believe in using harsh chemical treatments to control pests or other problems, so Murphy's Oil Soap has been quite a help. Your climate will dictate how early you need to start spraying. Some years the first of May is early enough, but lately here I have needed to start even earlier, usually mid to late April. If you wait till the borers hatch then it will be too late, at least to stop the early ones. I won't use harsh chemicals, but for those who do I would suggest trying a test plot for the Murphy's to see if it is as effective as chemical treatments. I know of a number of people who use chemicals like Cygon only out of desperation. |
RE: Question about using Murphy's Oil Soap for borers?
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| I wouldn't use Cygon because it is far too toxic for me to risk exposing either my 4-legged family or myself to it. The only reason I use Merit is because the active ingredient, imidacloprid, is the same active ingredient used in Advantage Pet Flea Control products. If it's safe enough to be applied directly to an animal's skin without deleterious effects, I figure it's about as safe as any chemical is likely to be in the garden. "A dozen or so borers" is a dozen or so more than I want feeding, maturing, and breeding in my iris beds. Laurie |
RE: Question about using Murphy's Oil Soap for borers?
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Hello 'twin two': I came to this forum looking for information on Iris borer. There is another thread about this with more detailed information from people who have actually treated infections. You may find it helpful. I think it's called Help Iris Borer. Northener. |
RE: Question about using Murphy's Oil Soap for borers?
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| I would like to know if i can use murphy's oil soap on sprider mites.? |
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