Carefully reading those nagative posting of past few years, I know who he/she is now. Some how his/her writing contents macths to some one I know . You have such low life.
Who get benefit of killing Jgarden forum ? It is easy to find the answer.

A successful forum comes from people who want to help and to share their knowledge and opinions, not necesarily from "experts". People may not want the "perfect" Japanese garden but would like to incorporate certain aspects of that into their landscape. Along the way they learn more and more and come to appreciate the nuances and history. That is a good thing. Gardening and sharing ideas is fun. If it is not, the forum is dead.

Howdy Yama, George and Inky, and greetings to Steve.

Hope we can actually use this space to talk about the gardens again without being told how wrong we are. Might get it back to good...

Scott

Even you don't know about something about Japanese gradening, you can say whatever you want to say within rules.

If you are are refering me as " you " or someone else ? Who are the "every one" ? you or someone else ?

If anyone want to have shot from me, Say it so. I will try my best to give a shot. Do you want to have the first shot? ........ Hehehe

George
Before our time run out, we should vist each other. If you have chance to visit to US let's me to know. I will bring best Japanese tea. I am not drinking almost 3 years now. If you are drinker, I will join.^^

Steve
I think I have met you befor (7~8 years ago.) Your back yard is some how very look like of a custmer I have met. Alpharetta ? Facing your home, left side of your neigbor is higher ground than yours?

Scott
I don't think able to attend New England grow show this year. If you visit to the trade show, Save me catalog(s) of plug and small starter plants of bare roots or 2 1/2 to 4 inch pots.
japanesegardener1@yahoo.com Send me E mail or I call you week end.

Inky
Thank you. We will do it. I have talked to Robert Cheatam and I am going to help J garden.org to fill pages.
It will take time ( filling space of Plant list or something else)but just matter of time it will be done.
mike

... but after dinner I will check out your site for dessert.

Good Day ...

The only solution for this problem is to screen the postings and ban the trouble makers, remove their postings or prevent it to appear on the forum.

Andrea

Steve

Time to time some people stump away because I mentioned "Jap" word or relation between Japanese garden and Buddhism. I do not preach any religion nor endorse any religio,but when I explain history of Japanese garden Buddhism is big part of history of Japanese garden, tea ceremony, flower arengement. Japanese garden has uniqe in that aspect also. No other form of gardens have so close relation with religion. Korean Buddhism don't have close relation to garden, so does Chinese garden or any other Buddhist countries's gardens.

I am only Japanese who post on Garden forum regularly and working as landscaper,have mamy books to check fact and able to find answer for others. I don't answer to every questions however.
It is ok to have different opnion or his /her thought is different from historical aspect. name calling or personal attck is not. He /she killed J garden org forum as well.

This time we should work togather to kick him/her out from J garen forum instead of us walking away from jgarden forum.

It is only Garden........... This forum, we enjoy to exchenge ideas, helping others, asking questions and making friends. Not fighing or argueing. Under certain rule (s), it is ok to debate. when debate, open to others souce of information so that we/others can verify the facts.

Steve
Years ago when I work for golf course developer, the campany I worked for had about 750 acer of land at Flowerly branch. I know flowerly branch well. I have met local officials,few distigushed golf course designers, Lee torivino's team, son of Boby Jones, superintended of Augast national golf club etc. It was fun job and enjoyed the job.
japanesegardener1@yahoo.com ......... Please contact me

I have a lot to do in my garden, we had/have the most horrible winter, strong wind, storm destroyed thousands and thousands century old trees in B.C., I lost one big hemlock tree and the front yard. Now I have a big area to play with, have to find old postings to get help. I already have around 100 rhodos, azaleas, ~25 J.Maples, ~30 conifers, ~60 J.M. seedling /3 years/ and many other plants. Collected truckloads of gorgeous green-brown granite rocks from the hill close to us.

I'm going to some sunny place for 5 weeks, for March the snow will melt, I can make photos, post it and ask for help.

I'm glad that you are back and try to make something of this forum.

Andrea

Tom

bambooo.. pup up make us crazy but won't drive us out. ^^

......................... mike

this was and still a very valuable Forum , loaded with information, ideas, interesting discussions. Go back to the old postings, browse, ask new questions, bring back old postings with new questions, you will get answers and help.

Not the host, hostile posters ruined the forum, who just couldn't stand a competition, the professional Japanese Garden expert to help people free.

I am tentatively popping my head in and still no sign of offending parties or rancorous dissent. Hope to be able to chat here more often again...

What once was is no no more; pop-ups and delusional types have done their worst. But Andrea is right, Yama-san. No point in going backwards. If we can make this good again, we win. If someone should return and start the vitriol again, we can either get him/her ousted or, barring that, find elsewhere. I have moved away from the web a lot in the past year, and I miss the contact and camraderie. That's all I want back; not the ugliness that caused me to leave in the first place. We can do it...

Scott

The way to deal with them is, as sue141452 and Andrea said, is simply not to respond AT ALL. Just let their inflammatory posts sit there and carry on with the conversation.

I am in the planning/dreaming stage of developing two areas of our property and would live to have this forum to as a resource.

Maybe the real problem isn't as much an obvious troll (or trolls) trying to create disharmony, but more pointedly certain group members themselves who want to throw out names of prominent gardening pros they "know" (translate: have met once in a seminar, maybe...) and themselves pose as experts. When it comes to expertise, it's good to realize almost all of us here are foreigners to this gardening culture, after all, and while we may even be professional landscapers (some), that doesn't automatically translate into expertise in Japanese landscaping. The JOJG is entirely correct in their stance of viewing non-Japanese "experts" being those who have some type of actual landscape training in Japan, or at least under well-known and respected landscape designers in the West who have already constructed public gardens and so forth. Under those standards, the rest of us foreigners are merely hobby gardeners, which is wonderful in itself. But if that's true, there's absolutely no reason to get on a Japanese garden forum and lecture others with a lot of bogus terminology and so on, which I see a lot of.
On the other hand, I do think disagreement on public forums is inevitable since we're all individuals. I even think it's healthy to have lively exchanges without a huge amount of moderation. It's really the only way to expand one's knowledge, if you think about it. If everyone agrees with you, what will you ever learn?
But there's never an excuse for personal attacks.
FWIW,
Jim

As Japanese, if I can help you to understand and know our culture better, then I should contnue to write about Japanese garden.

Jim : Thank you for your posting.
Having different opinion is not problem.but dscribing histrical even without histrical fact is wrong. Anyone can have opinion with histrical fact. IF he/she has different opinion then he /she should offer where his/her opinion came from.
Because of unplesent posting, many left GWjgarden forum.
It is sad that when people need to know things about Japanese garden, not much people can offer answer.

I don't repaly all question. Some people don't put any effort to find answer. I like to help to someone who spend his/ her time and effort, and still can't find answer.

When I write, I have to have dictionries, and before start write I check few books , make it surethat I am not providing wrong or inaccurate information. Offten Take many hours to write and find informations.
When Edzard asked me parts of stone lantern, to give him right answer, to find answer , it took me almost 3 years and I had to get over 100 books. It was slow process and 100's of hours of reading.
I made many friends over GW Jgarden forum but not making new friend. I miss that.
mike

May not be limited to this field, unfortunately. High turnover not limited to this forum, either. Many others have had a procession of people come and go; perhaps even the bulk of them never were as busy as this one was at one time - from the start I zeroed in on certain ones that interested me (and had regular new posts) and have hardly been to any of the rest of them at all.

Maybe if M. Yama doesn't want to get his own thing going elsewhere he should just post his musings here. Not sure it matters if every one of them gets an answer. It seems there are plenty of people who lurk and don't say anything, so he wouldn't be talking to himself for that reason alone.

Anyway, to all who read this: let's get this thing going again! Just pass on tidbits, discuss things, JUST DO IT! Ain't never been run off a site before, not starting now!

Don't be scared!

We all know who were posting nasty postings . even making up his/her fake names and places of poster(S), content of writing lead to one place.
That is the story.
yama

- Audric

Hi Inky
Where have you been? Cady and I were wondering where you are and what you are doing. I am sorry to not responding to your post. Honestly I still have resentment to flock of XXXX. D.R wrote a letter to Scott few years ago and said he D.R can destroy some one's carrier.

most of all, many of peoples missguided. that bother me.
One time I took yours and many others opinions ^^.
Iam not going to write much here anyway.
You have my e maill address right? Don't be stranger.
mike

What happened ? I din't mess any font. strange thing happend.

Time flies fast, but not that fast! I'm still in my second year, with my hands very much full with projects, readings, the LA Student Society, and LABash. I'm looking into exchange options for next year's winter semester, perhaps with a little more focus towards the arts instead of design (for a change).

- Audric

Audric
design and art can't separated . It is like coin. while your looking top of coin, you still holding botom.
After you finish school, you can go to Japan and teach Engilsh while you are paid by Japanese goverment and you can meet many schoolars and landscapers. you can take time off and visit to other countries to see different idea of landscape architect.
Some day we can see each other. Take care your self and do your best.
Mike

And also towards other sites, apparently.

I do have many healthy peonies. Alas, my Japanese Maple of nearly ten years had to be removed this past year. We had a late killing frost last year and it was lost along with apples and peaches and all the peonies. The frost was unexpected so no one could prepare. A tragedy.

I've been thinking about this a lot. There is one area in my backyard where a red bud had to be removed a few years ago. It has been empty since, just a few annuals in a bed. Now I can see replacing the red bud with one of the trees you suggest, or perhaps even something I can shape. What if I learn to shape another redbud?