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Building a Koi pond, seeking advice

Posted by ryanbreed 11 (My Page) on
Thu, Jul 31, 08 at 18:07

Hi all, we're in the process of redoing our back yard, and I'm interested in adding a formal pond for fish, plants, and perhaps a few Koi.

I've been devouring books and information about how to set up a Koi pond correctly. Living in southern Cali, I'm fairly space constrained.

Best-case internal dimensions look like they'll be 11' long, 4.5' wide, and 4' deep, which gives me ~1320 gallons to work with. I have no intention of having more than 5 koi in the pond, and plan to start out very slow, perhaps only with a few shub's and plants for the first year.

I'm primarily concerned with getting the basics right so I do not have to change any pond construction after the fact. I'm very interested in your opinions on how necessary/valuable any of the below features are, and any advice you can give.

My plans at this point:

1. 2 bottom drains, bottom sloping to these drains.

2. Water spill to aerate. This will be a short drop and a clean spill, so not a lot of turbulence. To augment, I was also thinking about plumbing a 9" airdisk through the wall underneath the spill. Underneath so the spill will mask some of the disturbance from the rising air bubbles.

3. Skimmer -- I'm having a hard time figuring out how to hide this. In-wall installed products seem to add a decent amount of complexity to the build. Units that don't need to be in a wall are somewhat unsightly.

4. Overflow and drip refill -- seems like a good idea, daily 1-3% water exchange.

5. Pump return jets -- two to create current flow around the full pond, one in upper right corner, one in lower left.

6. Almost definitely will have to go with a pressurized filtration system, I don't have the room to do gravity.

When it's all done I probably won't be adding any koi for a while. We'll defer some of the filtration etc costs and take our time getting a stable water garden first with only a few fish.

I don't believe there are many predators in the area, blue herons being the possible exception. This is why I'm making the pond 4' deep.

What do you think? Anything in the above not necessary so I can save some $?

Thanks a ton,
Ryan


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RE: Building a Koi pond, seeking advice

Ryan, it sounds like you are on the right track. The biggest change I would make is to add aerated drains instead of the non-aerated ones. The action of the air rising from the center of the drain pulls debris to the drains SO well. Also, for the size of the pond, one drain is enough. There is really no need for 2 because one drain will pull around a 12' diameter. If you can increase the width a bit, and maybe even go deeper than 4', you can increase your volume and have an easier time maintaining water quality and temperature. Koi need a bare minimum of 250 to 300 gallons each, although 500 gallons each is much better. As far as saving money....go check out koishack and check out some of the great DIY projects.

Here is a link that might be useful: Koi shack


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RE: Building a Koi pond, seeking advice

I can only tell you from experience that all the things you want to add to the pond sound very complicated and very expensive. I was in the koi business for 7 years and have two ponds and a stream in our yard. I live in the willamete valley near portland oregon and I have blue herons too. My top pond is 3 feet deep and houses smaller koi and goldfish, it goes into a 10 foot stream (very shallow) and into the larger pond about, 3200 gals 3 feet deep at the deepest and 1 foot deep at the stream. We have a large filter at the top of the small pond (graviety fed). We have no skimmers and lots of leaves. We just net them out. We have no bottom drain, no over flow, and our only arietion in the top waterfall and the bottom of the stream. I guess what I'm trying to get at is you don't need to much to have a good pond.

If your inflow or waterfall in small, then a larger pump might help, if you don't have time for netting leaves then a skimmer is the way to go. Their are skimmers that set in the bottom and float at the top. I beleive that you have less rain than we do by far so overflow should not be an issue. I love pressure filters, they do a great job. The water will circulate well if you have a large pump, you set the filter at the far end of the pond and pump it back up to the waterfall.

At koi shows they are really big on water per fish, and I guess that is for maxi. growth. But if you are only planning on 5 fish you have it made.

Just a little note, I have about 200 fish in my ponds and they range in size from 3" to 24" and my water is almost always clear.

Good luck

Here is a link that might be useful: koigardening


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RE: Building a Koi pond, seeking advice

tlgyen, there is absolutely nothing complicated about installation of bottom drains or skimmers. Those two items make a koi pond a much healthier place for them to live, and make maintenance a breeze.


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RE: Building a Koi pond, seeking advice

coombs1, I understood Ryan to have wanted some opinoins on ponds and I just gave him mine, putting in skimmers and bottoms drains is probably easy for some people, and painting a house, is easy for some people. I agree that maintenance would be a breeze. Just giving him an idea, that not every succesfull pond has all thoughs things, and I beleive Ryan was trying to keep down expenses. Since you have a business in this area I'm sure you now what your talking about.
Nice chatting

Here is a link that might be useful: koigardening


 
 

 

 


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