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Gigandes Beans

fusion_power
12 years ago

I found a source at http://www.allgreektome.net/ and click through to their ebay store. This is the true runner bean Gigandes.

DarJones

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  • fusion_power
    Original Author
    11 years ago

    Beans are filling out nicely in the pods. The plants are healthy and still forming racemes of flowers and setting new beans. The load of beans per plant is relatively low but looks like there will still be plenty to pick in a couple of months.

    DarJones

  • aftermidnight Zone7b B.C. Canada
    11 years ago

    No beans on the Gigandes yet, one or two are loaded with flowers, others are just starting to form flowers. So far June has been overcast, lots of cool days and yesterday it poured. Today looks blahhhhhh.

    All the other beans I planted are looking good, looks like we're going to have another year like last year. I'm sure glad I planted my tomatoes in the greenhouse, first time doing this and am happy to say they are lookin' good :).

    Annette

  • aftermidnight Zone7b B.C. Canada
    11 years ago

    The first few flowers aborted but I'm happy to say I can now see some tiny beans forming.

    Annette

  • fusion_power
    Original Author
    11 years ago

    We have a big difference in seasons Annette. I have green mature beans on my plants. I checked them a few days ago and have lots of mature pods that are just getting ready to turn colors and dry down.

    DarJones

  • zeedman Zone 5 Wisconsin
    11 years ago

    "We have a big difference in seasons..."

    You said a mouthful, Dar. Mine just started to climb, the vines are only 24" tall at present. I just laid mulch down around the plants, which always seems to kick bean growth into overdrive.

    In spite of my shorter season, I've got plenty of heat in just the right amounts, and everything in my garden is growing furiously right now.

  • fusion_power
    Original Author
    11 years ago

    I have dry Gigandes beans ready to pick. The pods are fully dry, the seed are still a bit soft but drying fast with the heat and lack of rain.

    DarJones

  • drloyd
    11 years ago

    I would appreciate it if one of you would measure the length of the fresh shellies. So far, Bianco di Spagna is the largest shelly that I have seen at up to 1-3/4 inch long. - Dick

  • fusion_power
    Original Author
    11 years ago

    Dick, The longest so far is 1 7/8 inches, the average is about 1 1/2 inches, the smallest normal bean is an inch long. I have seen pics of beans that were over 2 inches but they seem to be rare.

    DarJones

  • aftermidnight Zone7b B.C. Canada
    11 years ago

    Woohoo, the weather "experts" if you can believe them say we're finally heading for normal summer temps, tomorrow it's going to start warming up and should be around 84F by sunday.
    Other than the 'Shiraz' peas where we had a bumper crop everything seems to be in limbo, the warm weather should shake things up a bit. I have lots of tiny beans on the Gigandes now maybe they'll get cracking.
    How about you Dick, are you in the same boat as me weather wise?

    Annette

  • zeedman Zone 5 Wisconsin
    11 years ago

    Well, my weather changed too. Had ten minutes of 1" hail yesterday, which shredded everything green on my property, including my home gardens. Unfortunately, that is where I had planted Gigandes.

    The irony is that I planted Gigandes at home because it is safer from frost there than it would be in my rural plot. Obviously, I neglected to consider the possibility that ice might fall from the sky on a 90 degree day. :-( I've already had frogs, and flies... makes me feel like Yul Brynner, wondering who I should be setting free before the next plague.

    The plants are not completely dead, but it remains to be seen if they will recover in time to produce seed. At the very least, their development has been set back by several weeks.

    The good news is that my preservation plot, where I grow most of my seed crops, is safe. It is 6 miles away, and was spared the brunt of the storm. It only has a little wind damage, and is actually better off for the drenching rains it received. Much of the state is still bone dry.

  • aftermidnight Zone7b B.C. Canada
    11 years ago

    So very sorry you incurred so much damage Zeedman, especially after you having an early start for a change. 1" hail we've never had anything near that size up here, thank goodness your preservation plot was spared. Hopefully things will spring back and it won't be a complete loss.

    Yesterday afternoon I walked out to the greenhouse, no sooner in the door then the heavens opened up and the rain came down in buckets. Thankfully it only lasted 10 minutes my garden would have been in big trouble if it had lasted any longer. Can't do anything until it dries up a bit but the beans seem to be hanging in, time will tell. "THEY" say that's the last of it and today is the turning point good weather is on the way, I sure hope so enough is enough.

    Annette

    Annette

  • cindy_ga
    11 years ago

    So sorry to read about the hail Zeedman. We had a brief round a hail earlier this year and fortunately it didn't do much damage to anything, but I worried quite a bit during the storm. Hope your garden recovers quickly!

    Cindy

  • drloyd
    11 years ago

    Zeedman, I was so sorry to hear about the hail.

    Annette, most days and nights in June were below normal. The only beans that are looking robust are the Bianco de Spagna. Summer days (at or above 75F)are forecast to start tomorrow. - Dick

  • zeedman Zone 5 Wisconsin
    11 years ago

    Glad to hear that your weather is warming up, Annette. It seems like everything has been bottled up this year, with very little of our normal west-to-east flow... what was cool stayed cool, what was hot stayed hot. Wish I could send you some of our heat, it's 97 F. degrees as I write this, and predicted to hit 100 degrees tomorrow. That doesn't happen often here, its been over 15 years since we last hit 100. The cowpeas & soybeans are loving it, the beans & peas not so much.

  • fusion_power
    Original Author
    11 years ago

    I harvested about 2 gallons of dry beans still in the pods yesterday. This is very low production for a bean, but is typical for runner beans in the deep south. Bean quality is variable with some beans nothing but flat husks and others nicely filled pretty white beans. A few show insect damage which I would have rated as very low based on my observation of insects on the plants.

    DarJones

  • aftermidnight Zone7b B.C. Canada
    11 years ago

    When the warm weather arrived the Gigandes vines took off, it's one big tangle of vine, flowers and beans at the top of the trellis, the bottom and middle looks sparse, no branching down low at least not yet. If I wasn't saving all for seed we could probably try some in the green bean stage. I imagine they can be picked and cooked the same way I do all the other runners I've grown. It's going to take another month or so for seed here but it looks like another bean that will do well here as long as we get a decent growing season.
    We have not had a "normal" spring since 2009 so if this is going to be the new norm it looks like I'll be starting all my beans in the greenhouse from now on.

    Annette

  • shuffles_gw
    11 years ago

    I was in a small Greek market today and bought these beans packed in Greece. The clerk said they are Gigandes. Anyone out there read Greek? Is it likely these are the real Gigandes? These beans measure about one inch wide.

  • ukelady53
    11 years ago

    The package does indeed read gigandes beans. I have the same package that I just brought back from Greece. I also brought an unmarked package of the same beans from a farm stand in Greece. I was hoping that I would be able to germinate the beans as well as eat them. The farm stand beans did not germinate...I assume they are treated to not sprout. Today I opened the packaged beans with the label that you show in your photo and am doing a test germination. Will have to wait and see what happens. Love the beans, hope they sprout.

  • shuffles_gw
    11 years ago

    ukelady,
    Please post your germination results. For me, the time to plant is in two or three weeks - then again in February.

  • ukelady53
    11 years ago

    The seeds in the package from Greece germinated! I placed beans between moist paper towels and they sprouted in 4 days. At this point they have 1/2 inch long roots. I guess I will plant out tomorrow and see what happens. May not be enough time this season to get beans but at least I know that I can try them next year.

  • shuffles_gw
    11 years ago

    Thanks ukelady. That is good news. I'll try planting some in six weeks or so. Anybody close to Tampa Bay can find these seeds in Tarpon Springs; a little grocery/deli on Antares Blvd.

  • aftermidnight Zone7b B.C. Canada
    11 years ago

    Update.... All of a sudden the Gigandes have taken off, I spent more than a couple of minutes pulling vines out from underneath the roof of the shed where their trellis is. Talk about top heavy, vines are snaking out and grabbing onto everything within their reach. Loads of flowers but with the temps. approaching 90 I don't know if these will set but I do see some paper wasps working them. The leaves finally look good they don't look anemic anymore. A big change from the first pics I posted. Although they don't show up there's loads of flowers. Annette

  • jolj
    11 years ago

    Anyone make bean dip with Gigandes.

  • zeedman Zone 5 Wisconsin
    11 years ago

    Just an update...

    I am happy to report that the majority of the plants in my home gardens have fully recovered from the hail, including "Gigandes". The constant warmth & sunlight - along with plenty of TLC - gave them the strength to put out new runners. They now look similar in size to the vines in Annette's photo, and have been flowering heavily. The blossoms were just dropping off, but now that we have a few days in the 70's, pods are beginning to set.

    Still about 6 weeks left before my average frost date, I'm crossing fingers that this will be enough time to get mature seed. A late Fall wouldn't hurt either.

  • aftermidnight Zone7b B.C. Canada
    11 years ago

    Well, I've never seen anything like this in my life, after a slow start, flowers aborting due to a hot spell at the wrong time, these beans have taken off, (Kudzu comes to mind) they're reaching out and latching onto anything within their reach. There are a few beans mature enough for seed that I can see, I'm hoping there's more I just can't see them under the jungle of leaves. Right now there's flowers galore and loads of beans forming I'm hoping they taste just as good as the 'Salmos Greek Lima' runners did in the green stage.
    Annette

  • zeedman Zone 5 Wisconsin
    11 years ago

    Crossing my fingers seems to have worked so far. There were several early frosts here, and the rural garden was "frost pruned"; but my home garden had minimal damage. The forecast now is upper 60's - low 70's for the next 10 days, and mostly sunny... great bean ripening weather. I harvested the first 5 dry seeds from "Gigandes" in the last few days, and there are many fat pods remaining. It appears I'll get enough seed to attempt a major increase next year, under (hopefully) better conditions. I'll start them in pots next time!

  • drloyd
    11 years ago

    We had a light frost on 9/12 but no apparent damage.

    Zeedman and Annette, the Bianco di Spagna shellies are often 1-1/2 inch long with some at 1-3/4 inch. That is the largest shelly that I am aware of. It would be great if one of you would measure some Gigandes shellies to see if they are as "gigande" as Bianco de Spagna. - Dick

  • aftermidnight Zone7b B.C. Canada
    11 years ago

    Dick, earlier on I had one small dry bean it had two seeds, dry the larger one was one and a quarter inches. Hopefully I'll come back with more results later, fingers crossed the weather holds, the next couple of weeks look promising.

    Annette

  • drloyd
    11 years ago

    If the dry seed was an inch and a quarter long, the shelly may be even larger than Bianco di Spagna. I have noticed that Bianco di Spagna requires a longer growing season than the slightly smaller Bond's Orcas Lima.

    Some of the really big white seed runner beans such as Bianco de Spagna, Delucci Cannellini and Cannellini Gigante are more difficult to grow here. - Dick

  • zeedman Zone 5 Wisconsin
    11 years ago

    With the season-ending freeze approaching tonight, I picked all of the "Gigandes" pods. I'm happy to say that I ended up with about 100 good dry seeds, which will be used next year to further increase the seed, and maybe share a few. Not a bad showing, considering the plants had to re-grow after the hail & wait for the heat to break before setting pods.

    There was also a pretty good mess of shellies, which DW cooked up while I was working, bless her heart. About half of those were fully mature, and HUGE. I'll try to post a photo before they are all eaten... which means I'd better hurry.

    Having been less than fond of the other runner bean shellies I've tried, I was hoping for better - and was not disappointed. The flavor is really good. They don't have the "gamey" flavor I've experienced from other runner beans, and the skin is thin & tender.

    I've been searching for this bean for years, and the search was worthwhile: it can be grown here successfully, and it's a keeper. Thanks, Fusion, for sharing your seed so generously.

    There were already some "Soissons Vert" and "Bird Egg #3" shellies cooked up in the fridge, so I threw some in a bowl along with some of the "Gigandes", mixed them up with a little 'baby rays' barbeque sauce & heated them. Wow!!! I'm in bean-lover's heaven right now.

  • aftermidnight Zone7b B.C. Canada
    11 years ago

    Our weather has finally turned but we've had a good long run. I went out this morning and found several handfuls of dried pods underneath the tangle of vines, probably more I just have to find them. These are the only beans still in the garden, where they're planted they are quite protected so they're being left as long as possible.

    There's lots at the shelly stage so a question.... I want to freeze most of them so blanch them 3 minutes in boiling water or can I steam them?

    The immature beans aren't going to amount to anything now so I'll french and steam, this is the way we eat most runners, waste not want not.

    Annette

  • drloyd
    11 years ago

    Zeedman, did you happen to measure any of the shellies? So far the longest Gigandes shelly reported has been 1.5 inches. - Dick

  • aftermidnight Zone7b B.C. Canada
    11 years ago

    Just brought some more in, the longest for me so far... 2 at 1&11/16", a few 1&10/16's lots of 1&1/2's and of course smaller, I'm just measuring the ones that look long to me, some are fatter than others. If I find any that are longer I'll let you know.

    Annette

  • drloyd
    11 years ago

    Thank you Annette. Your two largest ones are within 1/16 inch of the largest Bianco di Spagna that I have measured. Well within my possible measuring error as I did not use a precision measuring device. I wonder if they are two names for the same bean. - Dick

  • aftermidnight Zone7b B.C. Canada
    11 years ago

    Dick, I've never grown Bianco di Spagna so can't compare. When cooking dinner tonight I threw a shelly in the veg pot, after zeedman saying how good they were I was chopping at the bit to try them. I plucked it out of the pot, cut it in half and dipped in Becel DH and I sampled it, what can I say, food for the gods. The shellies I've tasted to date have been good but this one outdoes them all. I haven't tried the Somas Greek Lima as a shelly just in the green stage, they might very well be the same bean but would have to grow them both to properly compare. Now this is what I call a handful of beans :).

  • LoboGothic
    11 years ago

    Wow! These posts really have me going. So much food from one plant! I was so fired up I checked my Seeds of Diversity directory and found Soissons Gros Blanc a Rame. Said to be the largest bean grown in France, thin skinned. I sent for them today - we'll see what we get.

    Also found on line Samos Greek Lima "Fassolia Gigantes" - phaseolus coccineus and ordered that. Can't wait until spring to get these planted!

    aftermidnight - I'm a Canadian too - any chance of a bean or tomato seed trade for a few of those beans? 3 or 4 would be plenty. Please PM me. Thanks.

  • LoboGothic
    11 years ago

    Wow! These posts really have me going. So much food from one plant! I was so fired up I checked my Seeds of Diversity directory and found Soissons Gros Blanc a Rame. Said to be the largest bean grown in France, thin skinned. I sent for them today - we'll see what we get.

    Also found on line at Two Wings Farm, Samos Greek Lima "Fassolia Gigantes" - phaseolus coccineus and ordered that. Can't wait until spring to get these planted!

    aftermidnight - I'm in Ontario - any chance of a heritage bean or tomato seed trade for a few of those gorgeous beans? 3 or 4 would be plenty. Please PM me. Thanks.

  • aftermidnight Zone7b B.C. Canada
    11 years ago

    Hi Lobo, glad to oblige :). The picture of the beans in my hand are in the shelly stage will be somewhat smaller when they have dried down. I'll try emailing you right now, unfortunately it hasn't been working as of late.

    Annette

  • drloyd
    11 years ago

    Hi Lobo. One summer a few years ago I trialed a number of runner beans, not realizing that they cross easily.

    If you grow grow more than one, you may not be able to save pure seed. I can grow only one per year. - Dick

  • LoboGothic
    11 years ago

    Thanks, Dick. I know that about runner beans, misspoke, I guess. It must be hard to keep to just one per year. So many beans, so little time.

    Maybe save seed every other year, but it's no fun unless there's seed!!!

  • shuffles_gw
    11 years ago

    My wife just brought these back from the Lake District of Chile. There they are called "pallares", lima beans. They are a mix of about 85% white and the rest very dark speckled and not as large. The white seeds are about an inch long, almost as long as the gigandes I got in a Greek market. But, they are a lot fatter. If anyone in a cool climate wants to try them, I could send a few seeds.
    My wife also brought back some scarlet runners from that area. Those seeds run from pink/tan to almost black. If anyone is interested, I can post a photo. Also available to share.

  • zeedman Zone 5 Wisconsin
    11 years ago

    Shuffles, the darker beans appear to be runner beans... and the white ones could be runners as well. The "fatter" description you mentioned seems to back that up. If you plant those seeds, observe the seedlings. For limas, the cotyledons will emerge from the ground; the cotyledons remain underground for runner beans.

    I have a wonderful pole bean from Chile, "Isla", which I grew this year. It is similar to "True Red Cranberry", but has seeds that are slightly smaller, and more purple than red. Really great flavor, but it is very late, and never has time here to give me more than a handful of dry seed before frost. Many beans from South America are daylength sensitive, and bear poorly in the temperate latitudes. Hopefully your beans don't suffer from that affliction.

  • shuffles_gw
    11 years ago

    zeedman, those beans were a local variety grown in the Lake District of Chile at about -40 latitude. Madison, Wisconsin is at 43; not much different. That is why I offered them to cool climate gardeners. I am at 28 degrees and may be too far south for these beans. The attached photo is of a bean purchased at a local street market. It is also very likely a local variety from the Lake District. These beans run from 5/8" to 7/8" long.

  • aftermidnight Zone7b B.C. Canada
    11 years ago

    Dick, I just finished shelling the rest of the Gigandes, one, just one measured 1 3/4" that was my largest. I'm hoping some of these shellies are mature enough for seed the rest we'll eat. I have enough completely dry seed to do me 3 or 4 years but a few more wouldn't hurt. I'm going to grow this one again next year mainly for the shellies.

    Annette

  • drloyd
    11 years ago

    Thank you for the report, Annette. So Gigandes and Bianco di Spagna have the same maximum shelly size it appears. I can get a lot more beans off of the Bond's Orcas Lima vines but perhaps the later ones are worth growng too. - Dick

  • zeedman Zone 5 Wisconsin
    11 years ago

    I never did get around to taking a photo of the cooked beans before they were eaten. However, I noticed something odd. When reheated, the beans tasted much different than when they were fresh cooked... I found the flavor to be unpleasant. Not sure if they were spoiling, or if that is a normal characteristic of this variety. I'll find out when I grow them again next year.

  • drloyd
    11 years ago

    Zeedman, does this mean that blanched and frozen shellies might have an unpleasant flavor? I do recall enjoying other large white runner shellies more fresh rather than frozen.

    And do you have enough dry seed to soak a few and cook them? I wonder how the flavor would be.

  • zeedman Zone 5 Wisconsin
    11 years ago

    "Zeedman, does this mean that blanched and frozen shellies might have an unpleasant flavor? I do recall enjoying other large white runner shellies more fresh rather than frozen."

    I certainly hope not. That will be something I plan to test in a small batch next year, before doing anything large scale. It may be that they are better canned than frozen... which may motivate me to finally purchase the pressure cooker I've been considering for several years. That would probably lead me to begin canning other beans as well, and I kind of like that idea. :-)

    As I mentioned above, I ended up with about 100 good seeds, which are reserved for planting & a few limited trades. I don't yet have enough to try cooking the dry beans.

    Oh, and I never posted my final observations of "Bianco de Spagna". A few of the plants just barely hung on, and finally in late summer put out some new growth & bloomed. There was no chance of getting dry seed that late, but I did pick some shellies before frost. The skin turned green when cooked, and I enjoyed them. I don't know if turning green when cooked is normal, or if it because they were picked immature. I actually hope it is normal, because that would indicate an observable difference between the two varieties.

  • aftermidnight Zone7b B.C. Canada
    11 years ago

    Zeedman, I blanched a few Gigandes and froze them, the immature ones did turn green. As to taste after frozen, haven't tried them yet, but fresh shellies steamed with a bit of Becel are delicious more so than any other runner I've tried this way. Frenched and steamed has been the preferred way we've eaten runners until now. I have just enough frozen gigandes shellies to try a pan of 'Gigantes Plaki' down the road :).

    Annette

  • drloyd
    11 years ago

    Zeedman and Annette, I have noticed with other very large seed white runner beans that the less mature seeds do turn green when cooked. - Dick

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