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fluorescent vs. full spectrum fluorescent

Posted by debbiekim 6 (My Page) on
Fri, Jan 6, 06 at 23:46

hi everyone,

i have sort of a dumb question...

is there any difference between regular fluorescent lights that you can buy at any target/kmart/walmart type store and full-spectrum fluorescent grow lights?

thanks!


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RE: fluorescent vs. full spectrum fluorescent

Walmart has a GE "sunshine" tube (in the orange cardboard sleeve) that is a relatively cheap full spectrum bulb. Some full spectrum bulbs have a little more UV thrown in (for detailed spectra, see the "Lamps & UV issues" thread). A detailed article is linked below (it has a spectrum of the GE bulb [or equivalent] compared to an expensive Full Spectrum bulb).

Here is a link that might be useful: RPI Lighting Research Center


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Is there a difference? Yes.

Do you care? Good question :) Depends what you want to use them for. Read the article for the full answer. Short answer: "full-spectrum" tells you nothing and costs a lot of money.

The GE 'Sunshine' bulbs are the Chroma 50 which has long been recognised as a very good sensibly-priced widely-available plant light. Some people think it looks a little "yellow", which I guess it does in the same way that the sun is yellow.


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thanks for your help!


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I just saw two seemingly identical tube lights at Walmart. One was labled for undercounter use, one as a grow light. The grow light was priced higher. I actually emailed the company to ask the difference, but so far, no reply. I was wondering if just a regular tube light would work as well for seed starting. As far as this product, I couldn't even see any difference, except for marketing, label, and price.


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If there's any difference, it's probably designed to give off more red and blue light, less yellow and green. Which means more plant growth without any extra power consumption. But it's good to check to find out whether that's the case or not.


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RE: fluorescent vs. full spectrum fluorescent

  • Posted by zink 6a (My Page) on
    Tue, Mar 24, 09 at 16:24

lachase,

You will probably do just fine by buying the least expensive fluorescent tube. The old standard "cool white" bulbs, although poor for vision, were excellent for plants. Their coating was a halophosphate blend, while the better, newer lamps are tri-phosphor blends which have spectral peaks close to the 3 color receptor cones in your eye. Luckily for us, both the halophosphor and tri-phosphor types have a wide bluish peak right where the chlorophyll wants it. The red is a bit lacking in the halophosphors, but the tri-phosphors do have narrow peak NEAR the red chlorophyll receptors absorption peak. Unfortunately, most of the fluorescent lamps sold as plant lights simply use the same red phosphor as the tri-phosphors, which peak at 611nm. One exception is the GROLUX Standard (not the Wide Spectrum)which uses magnesium fluorogermanate to peak at 658nm - a much better red.

For the most part though, you get better value, and as good a light, by buying the less expensive bulb. Most all of the CFLs on the market are tri-phosphor, but some of the fluorescents are halophosphor/tri-phosphor blends. A tube that says 741 or 735 or 730, for example, have a halophosphor coating against the glass, then a tri-phosphor coating over that. That is the best of both worlds. The lamps that say 841 or 835 or 830 are all tri-phosphor and are a bit better for your vision than for your plants.

One totally unnecessary thing people do is mix the "cool" lamp colors with "warm" lamp colors. There is NO difference between using a "daylight/warm white" combination and just using 2 "cool white" bulbs. Once, I used a published spectral breakdown of light energy output, separated about every 30 nanometers, or so, for a large variety a bulb types. I added the watts/nm (how much red, how much blue) for various combinations and found mixing lamp types was no different than just using a median color temperature bulb.

I find the questions being asked here to be repeats of conversations that took place here years ago. About 3 to 5 years ago practically EVERY POSSIBLE aspect of lighting was seriously discussed in detail, covering many hundreds of topics and thousands of individual posts. So many of the current posts were totally and exquisitely covered. Too bad I do not have the time or energy to devote any more. We once did cover EVERTHING you could possibly ask.

Also, "full spectrum" is a very well-known marketing term with no real definition except to sell lamps for ANY purpose they can get away with. If you look at published spectra(SPDs), fluorescent lamps are very spikey - all peaks and valleys. On the other hand, incandescent lamps and candles are very much "full spectrum" by reasonable definition. Just shows how you are being sold a false bill of goods.

Sorry about the rambling, but there is so much to know, and it was all covered in great detail in the past - everything anyone ever asks here lately was better explained back then.

Beware of the salesmen here. We now have several in this forum who are seriously misleading people.

Zink


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Zink - you answered the question I just asked in the begonia forum. Thank you!


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  • Posted by jajm4 z5 w. mass, usa (My Page) on
    Sat, Apr 4, 09 at 20:48

It would be great if the really good info could be re-posted in the FAQ so it would be easy to find when new people come along. It can be hard to find things that were posted years ago, buried under many many pages of information that may not be relevant to the current question.


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Be sure to buy a high lumen output bulb, not the energy saver bulbs that are most common now days. For four-foot fluorescents, these would be the ones with over 3000 lumens initial output. Buy the DAYLIGHT bulbs with 3050 lumens (available from Lowes) if you can find them -- I've compared them to regular (high-lumen) Cool White bulbs and they produce subtantially less "leggy" seedlings (due to their cooler, more "blue" 6500 degree Kelvin color temperature).


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YES. YES. YES...
Full Spectrum is as close to Sun light as you can get.
I would recommend you check s u n a l u x . c o m (no spaces)
I don't think they sell bulbs anymore but they have a great explanation of why Full Spectrum bulbs are better for your health, energy, thinking, and more. Regular florescent bulbs (including the energy saving bulbs) not only make you feel lazy and tired, but more importantly they make you depressed and stupid. thats probably why people feel like "poop" when working in the office.
Find out for yourself, check out
n a t u r a l c u r e s . c o m
and do your only research online, make your own decisions and do your own tests with the bulbs, that goes for everything you have ever questioned.
You have options for everything, their are always better solution out there when it comes to health.


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Regular fluorenscence bulbs/tubes are on the cool (blue) side. Plants need both cool and warm spectrum but it needs less of the warm spectrum.

If the artificial lights are all you will give to the plant, you should use grow light, full-spectrum light, or a combination of cool and warm bulbs (about 4:1). If your plants are going to see some sunlight, then just use the regular cheap bulbs.


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Decades ago we were told in greenhouse classes at the community college that the blue end of the full spectrum lights would fade rapidly. Has that problem been solved.


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All fluorescents are full spectrum. It's just a case of where the peaks are. Anything 5000k to 6500k should work for good plant growth. Lowes has bulbs by the case that will run you about $25 for 10.


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I am having great luck with a 4 foot 3000K and a 6500K bulb in each fixture. Very happy with the results.


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and the T5 54 watt HO bulbs put out 5000 lumens and come in 6500K


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