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2ajsmama

How close can I plant my tomatoes in really wide deep bed?

2ajsmama
11 years ago

I marked off 2-ft spacing (all indeterminate except a dozen Glacier), I'd really love to cut it down to 18" so I can fit 60 along the remesh fence and just tie/clip them to the fence - my soil isn't really rich, Medium High in OM and Nitrate, Medium in ammonium, High in P,K,Ca and Very High in Mg, pH 6.8. The bed is over 2 ft deep/high (it's on ledge), sandy loam, and a good 2ft wide (wider in places) - think that will give them enough room even at 18" spacing? Should I add more aged manure in the holes when I plant, maybe even top-dress as needed? I don't want to overdo the N and end up with all foliage, no fruit, but I want to make sure they have enough room to grow too.

If I can fit my 60 indies in 1 bed, then I can put the Glaciers in the next bed over with peppers and pull them when they're done, gives me more room. Otherwise I've got to put 12 indies in the next bed over along with the Glaciers and peppers and weave them. I also have 3 eggplant to squeeze in.

Though I do have about 65ft at the end of my 2nd potato row that I limed the other day (pelletized fast-acting lime, but I don't really know how fast), it started at pH 5.0 so would that be OK for peppers if I have to stick to 2ft (or farther) spacing?

Peppers will have to wait since they're still not hardened off (insecticidal soap made them sunburn and they're still recovering), but I have to get these tomatoes and eggplant planted this weekend!

Comments (12)

  • myfamilysfarm
    11 years ago

    If you are going to stake them, you could go as close as 12" apart. I've done this, without staking. Mine were a mess to pick, but didn't have any more problems than farther apart.

    I'm assuming that your bed is free for the roots to go down as deep as they want.

    I'd just add the manure as I planted and not worry for awhile. Actually your ground is very good. and the ph is almost perfect. All I would do is the manure in the hole when planting. Perhaps side dress when blooming, but I would do much else.

  • martin321
    11 years ago

    Hi
    I've been running a small market garden for years and indeterminate toms. are a big part of it. My spacing is 18 inches and I prune to two or three leaders. This works well for me. I haven't noticed that the toms need much nitrogen compared to some heavy feeders. I do add about three tablespoons of equal parts Blood meal, kelp meal, and Azomite at transplant time. If you are not going to prune and train your vines you will need quite a bit more spacing.
    I grow the viking purple potato and harvest at early maturity, full size spuds,gently hose off and sell at $2.50/lb. The skins are very fragile at this point but exceptionally pretty. Customers are a little hesitant about price until they eat them and then they are very enthusiastic. Martin

  • 2ajsmama
    Original Author
    11 years ago

    Thanks - already started planting 2ft apart (a couple CP and rest BW). Just ran back in the house for cutworm collars, newpaper, and filling a 50-gal barrel with water. I wasn't planning on pruning those, just clipping to remesh fence behind them. I'll plant the determinates closer together (will have to weave those, no room in row next to fence).

    Martin - thanks for the info on potatoes - think I can sell Red Norland/Pontiac and Yukon Gold for that? I emailed Ag Dept, offered them new potatoes for $4/quart (about 2 lbs) and mature potatoes for $10/half peck(about 7.5 lbs) or $5/2qts(roughly 4lbs). No answer - but they haven't gotten back to me about edamame either and I need to know ASAP so I can plant enough for 30 families!

  • myfamilysfarm
    11 years ago

    Sheila, I think you could get that for Norlands and golds.

    On the tomatoes, if you have a lot of foilage, then you will need to get some air circulation. You shouldn't have any trouble with 2' spacing.

    If your USDA hasn't committed by this time, they are really running late. They should have told you by March or before, so that you can order whatever seeds.

    Marla

  • 2ajsmama
    Original Author
    11 years ago

    Oh, I have the seeds - ordered them last year but it was so wet and cold my peas rotted in the ground so I never planted them. Don't know how long they keep.

  • myfamilysfarm
    11 years ago

    I don't know either, but just normally, normally you wouldn't needed time to get them.

  • 2ajsmama
    Original Author
    11 years ago

    Yeah, I was talking to them last Jan, so ordered the seeds but it was just an awful weather year. I should have asked them earlier this year, but I didn't even know they were still running the program. I seem to have dropped off their mailing list (and they never added us to their website, even though I originally emailed them a write-up in Sept 2010 and then sent it again sometime in 2011).

    We're literally "off the map" - farthest southwestern corner of town, and the farm map doesn't show the whole town, though they do have a farm listed that's not even *in* town!

  • myfamilysfarm
    11 years ago

    Sounds like you've slipped thru their cracks. Sometimes people that think they can handle things, just really can't, but they can't see.

  • 2ajsmama
    Original Author
    11 years ago

    Yeah, well, if I bothered to drive the 25-mile roundtrip whenever they're having the Ag Comission meetings (Wed evenings, 1-2x/mo) maybe they'd remember me. It's tough, they put things like the meeting schedule and Sampler subscription notices, even a weekly farm happenings column, in the town paper, but our mailbox is in a different town (different county!) so we don't get it, also don't get the town TV station (maybe you need cable, but our neighborhood is on a different cable system anyway).

    Anyway, I updated the farm info (not going into a lot of detail so I don't have to update it next year when my strawberries, raspberries are bearing, or delete potatoes if I don't plant them again) and emailed it to them again this AM.

  • myfamilysfarm
    11 years ago

    Yeah, I know about being in another county.

    You have cable? That's great, we're still antennae only.

  • 2ajsmama
    Original Author
    11 years ago

    No we personally don't have cable. It's in the neighborhood but I never watch TV (DH does sometimes), the kids only watch videos (well, sometimes DD watches PBS) so it wasn't worth it for them to run 660ft of cable and $100/mo or whatever. We've got an antenna, just don't get ABC.

  • myfamilysfarm
    11 years ago

    I understand, I wouldn't pay that either. We can get dish, but that's all. We get 6 channels if we're lucky. It's nice for the winter, but not enough time for it during summmer. Our nearest cable is about 12 miles away or more.

    I guess we can just watch the plants grow, IF we get enough water.

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